Goku Vs Garou - Dragon Ball Super Vs One Punch Man

Back to the battle of the Old School vs New Gen Anime Martial Artists. Can Saitama's "rival" prove himself against the pillar of anime scaling for the last 30 years? Now both characters have their new God Powers, so who will win in this Godly Anime Showdown?
Discord: / discord
My Nerd Editor: / @theskinnygiraffe
Outro Song by Rifti Beats( / riftibeats ): Jujutsu Kaisen - Opening (Kaikai Kitan) Hip Hop / Trap REMIX( • Jujutsu Kaisen - Openi... )

[@TheSkinnyGiraffe]

Wow! What a nicely edited video! I’m definitely checking out the editor in the description!

[@Supercarrotwiththe50letters]

I agree hes some skinny giraffe 👍

[@ipulledthisoff9248]

I wonder who editited this video🤔

[@jasonnbash6056]

Me too

[@averageaverageaverage0524]

Omg it’s u

[@jeffplays-roblox49]

Yes...i think ima sub to that editor xd

[@wutguycreations]

tbh I, as a big OPM fan, find it fairly obvious that MUI Goku completely stomps CF Garou, Dragon Ball powerscaling has gotten so ridiculous at this point that anything beyond the Battle of Gods arc is just too insane to measure. I think stats equal (like in the other video) with CF Garou and MUI Goku would be a really cool fight though! Edit: I regret posting this comment, I've started a war

[@johans-l9794]

Equal stat is fucked up with Goku. Why? One word "Kaioken"

[@Zeno1781]

@@johans-l9794 yea and mui is a technique too 💀 With other techniques he got in his arsenal to boost his strength

[@OnePolishMoFo]

The video never mentions that Garou can copy people's power level and also he emits large amounts of cosmic radiation. Goku is not resistant to radiation as far I can tell. I'm not saying he can absolutely do this, I dunno. But what's stopping Garou from just copying Goku and making the fight even? He did it Saitama.

[@Zeno1781]

@@OnePolishMoFo he can’t that’s the thing Because he couldn’t just infinitely copy saitama who’s gap in power wasn’t that high compared to him Unless he goes on a training montage and grows so strong he reaches the low complex multiversal realm of strength, he wouldn’t be able to copy goku strength Maybe he might copy mui but then again it’s a technique not even the gods of destruction could master

[@advocateshashank]

Currently Base Goku solos

[@omega_ultima9362]

Garou having the copy ability is run of the mill for Goku. Not only did Cell already have all of his abilities sans instant transmission, but Buu had the ability to copy every ability he used by sight alone. And let's all remember that Goku too has the "gains strength and adapts during battle" ability.

[@christopherrogers532]

lol these two would likely figure out they're both adapting to each other and experiment to see what'd happen.

[@blondethunder8912]

Garou had his life flash before his eyes when he faced super alloy dark shine then only a few seconds later he doged on him. garou definitely grows faster.

[@unleashed3193]

@@blondethunder8912 did u not watch top? jiren was a millions times stronger than goku, and by the end of it, goku had caught up

[@blondethunder8912]

@@unleashed3193 Goku got a new transformation and definitely not a million times stronger. Saitama doubles every punch if goku grew that fast then he would outclass jiren in seconds

[@aee14]

​@@unleashed3193 umm actually umm 🤓 jiren had the same amount of strength as Goku and vegeta but he was just unpredictable and knew how to distribute his power 🤓🤓🤓

[@SomeDudeGamin]

Not to mention that Goku and Beerus clashes wasn't only destroying the universe but the ENTIRE macrocosm which is filled with multiple universal sized places. Then he absorbs that power into his base form then with all his multipliers like 50x and 400x his base. Yeah he slaps just at the beginning of super. Honestly crazy how phenomenal the power increases are

[@HC-gm4fo]

More about 4d than 3D multiversal

[@omnijonn277]

We can't measure how much stronger Goku has grown since the Battle of Gods arc but the level will be unquantifiable. When Goku and Beerus were clashing with their fist it was going to turn the macrocosm into nothingness which is either high universal to low multiversal+ because in the Enma realm we can't see heaven which is as wide as the living universe that is expanding infinitely. The Other world is described to be a higher dimension than the mortal realm so it would be reasonable if the afterlife can hold over millions of heavens within it and there Goku could be hitting complex multiversal.

[@HC-gm4fo]

There’s different ways to interpret the feat, Especially when the science of what’s going on is far beyond theoretical. We are calculating anime BS pseudoscience. It also could be fourth dimensional energy colliding with a superfluid based space time universe causing the universe to become unstable. We know Beerus for sure has access to 4th dimensional energy

[@oneaboveall7642]

It was Beerus's Hakai energy. Goku has nothing to do with it. If it was their own physical shockwaves they could have obliterated the Earth's atmosphere first before anything else. Beerus's Hakai energy was more reasonable because the energy is from the strongest God of Destruction, Beerus. And Hakai is a destroying energy. So no. It's an irrelevant feat.

[@zyxyx6754]

And then god form goku cries in pain when broly slams him into ice. Regular Ice on earth.

[@good8619]

Also, theres no evidence that Garou can copy anything as absurd as BoG Goku. People are just assuming he can do something thats infinitely above what he's shown so far.

[@cyanp.ramirez5174]

It makes sense for his copycat abilities to cap at universal tho, above that he probably won't be able to do so.

[@good8619]

@@cyanp.ramirez5174 Yeah, "God" gave him a fraction of his power, he clearly has a cap on his abilities.

[@kotasake]

@@cyanp.ramirez5174 sense how? 💀

[@cyanp.ramirez5174]

@@kotasake "I got knowledge of all the energies in the universe" Garou isn't universal but his capacity should cap at that since that's what his whole ability premise is based on.

[@hellboy971]

@@cyanp.ramirez5174 So, you saying that Garou's cap would be around universal?

[@poketdoom]

Not only that, garou’s copying literally has limits. His power allows him to flow with the energy of the universe, that means someone higher than universal garou would likely just cap at universal at most while goku is several, SEVERAL times universal so garou literally cant even copy goku’s full power. Garou has no win cons

[@Tyreker]

Not to mention even if garou was able to copy goku’s power he can only copy goku’s current power and as we know goku loves holding back When goku realises Garous ability all goku has to do is increase his power level real quick right as he hits Garou then lower it

[@rakshanaaaa]

@@Tyreker would this be the case for against saitama too? I think his exponential damage increase wouldn't be provoked in time if Goku did an end all move right off the bat, since garou, being his strongest enemy, is universal

[@Trollamollex]

@@rakshanaaaa Look at DBS. Goku, while "fighting for fun or to test someone's strength", would always start out in base, then go to ssj1, then when he is stalemated or beat up; he jumps to SSJBlue. Pretty much does it multiple times in Super. Not only that but he starts throwing around heavy attacks intending to finish the fight. Garou and Saitama have nothing that can cover the growth from ssj1 to SSJBlue. Heck, even jumping from ssj1 to 3 might be enough to give Saitama a mean ass beating before he adapts. Normal super Saiyan God would be all it takes.

[@scpdrredacted2353]

Actually in the manga it said God was a multiversal being not just that saitama can do four and five dimensional feet however God is much higher as even saitama can't see him and garo only took 1% of God's power and and in doing so he became universal Plus meaning the god of one punch man must be multiversal since the multiverse does exist in one punch man

[@Trollamollex]

@@scpdrredacted2353 Garou didn't become universal wtf. He had some form of reality warping with maybe universal reality warper potential or more. Also, where was this 1% figure stated? Genuine question.

[@omniartist8297]

I love how garou loves fighting..has an iron will and the fast battle learning iq and growth of power the more the damage taken...just like goku

[@KinDeth]

He gave up on saitama though but goku did that vs cell too wills gotta go at some point

[@BrandonScott-mi5pz]

EXCELLENT WORK. PROFESSOR FICTION DRAGON BALL SUPER GOKU VS GAROU

[@saiyajin6969]

fun fact: in the manga when Goku was taking his battle with Gas literally across the universe leaping from planet to planet, he ended up leaving Gas on a planet which was across the universe, Gas was furious at being made fun of by Goku, he literally dashed through the universe at breakneck speed and even Whis said that he'll reach Planet Cereal in around 23 minutes. As we all know how absurdly large or near infinite dragon ball universe is, it's mind-boggling. yet a casual feat in dragon ball

[@axelhernandez9389]

Ultra Instinct can’t just be copied, Moro could copy it from the angel

[@tammywillmott7592]

the thing is with the copying mastered ultra instinct thing. in the manga, someone who is in base form stronger than blue goku already did that and the strain it put on their body caused them to almost explode. garou would probably just immediately evaporate lmao

[@theendersmirk5851]

In fairness to Garou though, as a DBZ fan, the reason Moro nearly exploded may have also been due to the lack of the mindset needed for UI, since Vegeta is stated as unable to gain UI despite being fully capable of making an alternative. I could definitely see Garou being able to allow his body to move autonomously, since that is the end goal of *all* martial arts. It would be essentially like when Roshi tried to imitate UI in the manga to help Goku figure out how to *actually* do it. Even in that case though, Goku has enough hax options that the best Garou could hope for at that point is a draw.

[@dad691]

@@theendersmirk5851The cope is crazy bro couldn’t even copy saitama who has only shown galaxy+ feats 💀💀

[@theendersmirk5851]

@@dad691 ... yeah. Garou, a martial artist, could not copy Saitama, someone who is arguably a Monster. My point was merely that, in the interests of a good fight, it is possible that Garou *could* copy Ultra Instinct, at least in terms of technique. It is less probable that he would be able to copy the Saiyan power boost quite as well, but it seems likely he might gain at least a mild power boost that might make the fight more interesting. I'm not gonna claim Garou could *win* from there, but the fight might have at least a bit of back and forth before Goku knocked him out, is my point.

[@theendersmirk5851]

@@dad691 also, as a quick aside, you're the type of person who gives us Dragon Ball fans a bad name, so do us all a favor, and remove the word "cope" from your vocabulary, and start using logic in your arguments rather than toxicity.

[@dad691]

@@theendersmirk5851 Interesting rebuttal, but Garou gets one shot. Now if we are talking about buu saga Goku maybe he could do something, but maybe doesn’t do much for garou against dbs goku.

[@ssfbob456]

I wonder if Garou's body could even handle Ultra Instinct. Goku had been using god powers for a while before using UI, so his body was used to the strain, but the backlash of UI still leveled him.

[@Xile165]

If moro couldn’t handle it, neither can garou

[@madsea6719]

@@Xile165 He can copy the durability of the strongest in the universe. Lets say Goku since he is fighting him so their Ui would last the same. The problem is if he can copy Whis body like he copied Saitamas.

[@nonkf6520]

Garou said he will copy saitama infinitely so in that case garou can even handle limitless powers

[@vogue-ish8638]

@@nonkf6520he didn’t though

[@nonkf6520]

@@vogue-ish8638 he did , he said he will copy him limitlessy

[@ikeillue8385]

Another thing that wasn't brought up. Garou's copy ability isn't instantaneous. We are shown in the Garou Satiama fight, that even though Garou was copying Saitama, he still couldn't keep up with Saitama's growth. If his copy was instant, then it wouldn't matter how fast Satiama's power was growing, he would just be at that level. This is important because of the gap mentioned. Goku is on a level that is such a ridiculous amount higher than Garou is, even if Garou was capable of copying Goku's full power, even with out seeing it, it would take so long for him to actually reach that full copied power, that Goku would still get bored and end the fight, LONG before he became a threat.

[@christopherbaker1716]

It is instant. Whatever the current power is it's copied. Saitama was getting stronger as the fight went on. Garou was going to copy Saitama again, as stated in the manga.

[@ikeillue8385]

@@christopherbaker1716 Its not instant though. If it was, then it wouldn't matter how fast Saitama's power was increasing, Garou's power would match it every time that he copied. However, its explicitly stated that Saitama's power is leaving Garou's in the dust. This means that it takes time for Garou's copy to increase his power to the level that he is copying, and by the time he gets there, Saitama's power has already increased well beyond it, so he has to copy again.

[@christopherbaker1716]

@@ikeillue8385 it is instant, it's just that Saitama's power was constantly growing exponentially in the fight. Your logic is flawed.

[@ikeillue8385]

@@christopherbaker1716 My logic isn't flawed. If Garou's copy ability is instant, then it literally doesn't matter how fast Saitama's power is growing. Whether it increased linearly, exponentially, logarithmically, or anything else, instant would put Garou's power equal to Saitama's every time he copied. But that isn't what happens. We are literally told that Garou can't keep up with Saitama's growth, but the fact is, if Garou's copy ability was instant, then his growth would be faster.

[@christopherbaker1716]

@@ikeillue8385 I don't understand how you don't get this. Garous copy ability is like a snapshot. It only copies Saitama's current power at that moment. Saitama was constantly getting stronger. Duh.

[@moro-og-739]

8:13 Goku shook the void (dimension) itself, not the infinite nothingness. He basically shook an infinite dimension

[@baguette_tt9601]

his power breaks logic in this case. He shool a dimensionless dimension. Lacking both time and space unless it was just a hyperbole to say it was an infinite space outside of the multiverse with no solid matter.

[@moro-og-739]

@@baguette_tt9601 You have to see the dimension as an infinite box. Goku is not shaking infinite nothingness because that would break logic. He’s shaking the fabric of the box (the dimension). To shake an infinite box you have to exert infinite force.

[@baguette_tt9601]

@@moro-og-739 except there cannot be a dimensionless dimension. It literally states (and i quote) : a world WITHOUT SPACE OR TIME filled with INFINITE NOTHINGNESS. The very most basic of basic time-spaces much consist of the dimensions of space and time. without either of these factors making up its construct would literally mean there is nothing to shake : thus his power breaks logic itself. We refer to it as the FABRIC of spacetime. When you lack such there is no fabric in the first place. Thus the argument is slightly flawed

[@dabi6701]

@@moro-og-739 So he's not just moving around the inside of the box, he's shaking the whole box itself?

[@moro-og-739]

@@dabi6701 He’s shaking the dimensions of the box itself. Let’s say the pocket dimension is a box. The box is infinite. That means you need infinite strength to shake the whole thing. This is also reliably confirmed by Elder Kai who is omniscient (he said this in the anime).

[@dongleyliam8927]

Best small channel I've ever discovered

[@salvadorcardenas9317]

Yo, just discovered this channel, you're really good man! Hope you keep at it. I just came from watching the Sonic vs Garou and Suiryu vs Garou videos and I think you did very well in explaining why Garou wins. You know your stuff, but one thing I always wanted to find out, if you wanted an idea for a video, would be Suiryu vs Sonic. I think it'd be a solid match up, but what do you think?

[@jayku8857]

Nice video! Not to start a war but love how unbiased the video is. Alot of people who claim Garou or Saitama would win either take the chapter out of context or be incredibly ignorant to how strong goku is in comparison. I also saw the drip goku.

[@Lechgang]

Except they do win, that's the problem. They both have at least one auto win that Goku can't recover from.

[@biasedpotato8511]

@@Lechgang no

[@Lechgang]

@@biasedpotato8511 Yeah, no, they do.

[@biasedpotato8511]

@@Lechgang like what?

[@contentsritual8334]

@@biasedpotato8511 making animators cry

[@itsgamertime1108]

You should do a version of this with CF and Kid Buu and I think their very similar with being fears of the universe, having the power of gods, having copy ability’s and their stats should be similar

[@revlismorningstar825]

What does CF stand for?

[@xVOVANATORx]

@@revlismorningstar825 Cosmic Fear

[@jordanglasper1064]

And I like the scaling feats analysis and research you did incorporate the reason for the win. And so that’s not going to stop the haterz, but much appreciation for this video.

[@whendaork9269]

Finally, I found another person who actually did analysis of both characters before jump into conclusions rather than be a fanboy and refuses to accept facts just like how they do in Death Battles.

[@8Smoker8]

No need to analyze anything here. It's like analyzing Boot vs Ant.

[@fishyboy2140]

Except the ant copies your boot.

[@8Smoker8]

@@fishyboy2140 gets CRUSHED way before it can become relevant in any way.

[@mrbuttocks6772]

There's also the fact Goku is using an energy COMPLETELY foreign to the OPM universe. Garou wouldn't be able to copy any abilities tied to Ki because he lacks Ki.

[@Amin-al-Husseini_1941picture]

"buh he knows all energies of the universe" yeah.. of a SINGLE universe, which means hes universal level only not "totality of existance" level like Goku who nearly destroyed reality before fighting Jiren (who was millions of times stronger).. who he catched up to in 2 minutes people love to ignore the absurdity of DBZ while drooling over OPM, just admit OPM is weaker but the fights are done better and thats it. Goku is not only 33k times faster and sextillion times stronger he also grows dozens of times faster.

[@zerechan]

Very well made video, glad to see you be fair to both sides unlike most. If you ever wanna work on some OPM content, let me know 👌

[@eltano5542]

Man, your videos are just amazing, very glad I found this channel

[@epic_soup779]

4:35 Astronomically, Cosmic Garou... I see what you did there

[@epic_soup779]

17:43 I see. Great video 👍

[@christophermonteith2774]

I would've asked if this was even a question, but this is actually interesting with garo's new abilities

[@Lambent_Omega]

Here's a few points that I think were missed: When it comes to Garou's Cosmic Radiation, Goku would definitely be durable enough to fight for at least a little without feeling it, as regular people were able to withstand it without dying for a while and Goku is not a regular person. When Goku was fighting Android 20, he realized the Heart Virus was making him weaker and IMMEDIATELY tried to go full power to finish the fight. Even if his full power was weakened (Due to Garou's Cosmic Radiation), he would probably still be able to blitz Garou if he realized the fight was life or death because of the sheer gap in power. Garou's power growth during the battle was multiple times slower and less potent than Saitama's power growth, and Saitama's power growth is many times slower and less potent than Goku's power growth, so either Goku would be able to out-grow Garou during the entire fight, or Garou wouldn't be able to catch up with Goku's power before he either decides to finish the battle cause Garou is too weak or decides to go full power to not die to the Cosmic Radiation. If we assume that Garou tries to copy Goku's transformation power/techniques, I don't think his growth would be able to keep up with Goku if Goku transformed. For example, if he copied Goku's Base Form and then Goku went Super Saiyan 1, he would get blitzed because it only requires 2 times as much power as someone to completely tank their attacks, and Goku would become 50 times stronger for a moment or a few moments which is more than enough time considering the speed feats in Dragon Ball. The dragon ball universe is multiple times larger than our own universe (anywhere from 10 low balling to 400 highballing, I usually go with 10), and that means universal scaling in Dragon Ball is much larger than universal scaling in One Punch Man or using real-world analogs. Moro in the Dragon Ball Super Manga tried to copy an angel's Ultra Instinct and almost combusted from the energy he received, he had to merge with an entire planet to contain the energy and even then was still unstable and went insane due to the power. I don't know if Garou would be able to handle Goku's Ultra Instinct due to the sheer power difference which is probably larger than the power difference between Moro and Merus. Absorbing energy was one of Moro's whole things as was stealing energy from other people and being able to contain it. Moro gave minuscule FRACTIONS of his own energy to one of his soldiers which caused the soldier to collapse and die. This soldier was stronger than the earth's strongest forces which includes Ultimate Gohan.

[@omegajoker125]

One thing you are forgetting the heroes and people in opm aren't normal

[@Hector-wj6jn]

srry you are really wrong in a lot of your statements, i want to clarify that i think goku could easily beat garou, but the fact that you say goku gets stronger during a fight its a lie, sayians get weaker as the fight goes on, goku can only fight like 20 min in his most powerful state, and we know garou could last days fighting and getting stronger, moro tried to absorb an angel ki, which is really different from trying to copy ultra instinct, there are no bigger infinites, the universe is just infinite on his own, o you cant say a universe is more infinite than other.

[@Lambent_Omega]

@@omegajoker125 preeeeeety sure King is just a normal dude.

[@Lambent_Omega]

@@Hector-wj6jn alright you got me at the whole Angel Ki with Moro absorbing UI I completely forgot about that But not only did Goku grow during the Tournament of Power, I think even Whis claiming he was getting stronger and faster with every punch while he was using Ultra Instinct, but the universes in Dragon Ball have been shown multiple times in series and in guides to not be infinite, they have boundaries and measurable sizes.

[@omegajoker125]

@@Lambent_Omega lol you left all heroes and focused on king😂😂😂 king is not effected more than the heroes on the ground and he was still helping tatsumaki while everyone is struggling king's meta luck power is gonna give him immunity.

[@darktigersharkmax4432]

Love how garou fanboys are dropping comments about how garou can win but the video literally addresses these points lmao. It's crazy how to this day there are people that say goku isn't universal like bruh. Goku is just a ridiculous powerhouse with current dragon ball powerscaling not to mention garou's growth isn't even quantifiable at this point so we don't even know exactly how strong he got when fighting Saitama so no one can confidently claim garou can catch up to even BASE goku.

[@fitnessstuff915]

😳wtf? he was doing such a good job! he had goku powering up and garou copying goku's abilities and strength levels - which is the point of this debate. he had both characters countering each other's attacks - good stuff! then, all of the sudden, the discussion switches to a galaxy vs universal power gap. what happened? did garou suddenly lose his copying abilitiy? did goku suddenly decide to "one punch" garou? 😂 i hope he makes another video with garou being able to copy ultra instinct. now that would be "in character".😉🤣

[@omegajoker125]

I will ask you a question: how someone is universal can drown under water and gets hurt by a laser beam?

[@darktigersharkmax4432]

@@fitnessstuff915 Literally in the video he said the battle is both being bloodlusted/going for the win actually watch it first. Also he already explained how garou's copying ability is not good enough to catch up to goku's full power watch the video again.

[@darktigersharkmax4432]

@@omegajoker125 Becuase that universal character still needs to breathe...when did having crazy strength equate to not needing certain body functions? Goku was off guard when the laser hit him everyone knows this it's been debunked for years now. If that's your "evidence" then I fail to see how any of this stuff contradicts the statements and feats shown in the video

[@omegajoker125]

@@darktigersharkmax4432 lol the weakest statement I've ever seen, bcs he was caught off guard? Lol do you what that even means that means that goku's and every other dragon ball character's durability is trash not even a wall level it means a character that wields a gun can defeat them "bcs they caught of guard" And for your first assumption if I'm a universal destroyer i would be in the universe exposed to the cosmic radiation And also i wouldn't even need to breath just like how saitama and garou did, but he wasn't able to breath under water but I'm still universal? Lol

[@fluubk218]

I literally just watched the old video and now this is uploaded xD

[@TheSkinnyGiraffe]

It’s hype 💯

[@potato.09]

Same lol

[@revifebrianto401]

That punch which said to be strong enough to destroy the universe and shake the void... But the earth just fine when the clash happened next to it....earth plot armor at its finest...

[@NocturnalPyro]

14:34 That's literally how they beat Broly who also adapts to the opponents level rapidly, Vegeta and Goku fused and knocked out Broly.

[@josephisrael8959]

Great video. This probably won't make a difference but CF garou doesn't simply copy his opponent's power level, he copies it and then gets an exponential increase stacked on top of that. This is stated by garou multiple times and is confirmed by the exponential graph shown in the final battle.

[@garoumonsterawakened6384]

you forgot that goku can not survive space, then garou is not the same as moro, he copies the techniques he learned and combines them to make his own read the manga, garou increased his punch power by copying saitama in serious mode so much so that he tanked the serious blows that could destroy the entire planet, garou's copy abilities are very OP so much so that he taught saitama how to travel in time this because he controls all the forces of the universe, thus simulating gamma rays of a quasar and teleport where his vision arrives, he practically learned it during the fight with saitama who knows what else he could be capable of if the battle dragged on, the multiplier of the ssj blue is not multiplying 50 times the ssj god red, it is only slightly stronger there is not much difference between those transformations in the opm manga editorial it was stated that garou had the ability to shake the entire universe, this was also mentioned by blast when garou acquired the cosmic power of god In conclusion, Garou wins if the battle goes on for a long time, or at least Goku starts using a large part of his power before Garou reacts, which is complicated since Garou copied his serious fist in that thousandth of a second that Saitama threw at him. the first serious blow

[@chosengen1able]

@@garoumonsterawakened6384 garou would win if Goku drags the fight and allows him to grow and adapt (emphasis on the words "grow" and "adapt"); garou won't be able to handle goku's higher levels of power, saitama's growth allowing him to beat garou with one punch proves this. The ssjb statment isn't true tho; it was already established in RoF that it is the ssj of ssjgod. Goku literally stated it. If it was only slightly stronger, then goku's punch while in ssjb would not have sent jiren flying after jiren blocked his ssjgod punches with one finger. Ssjb is to ssjgod, what ssj is to their base form. I don't know about shaking the universe thing but he has control over cosmic energy of the universe, maybe thats what they are alluding to because he has not shown any ap (attack potency) feat that puts him at universal levels. Also, I don't remember blast ever stating that. Goku's base form alone in the anime has universe destroying power but manga is a different case but even then, he has grown far stronger than when he first fought beerus, both in the anime and manga. Goku has experience with broly so he would know to end the fight quickly if it were a serious fight of course.

[@Neodoxical]

See that NLF since he'd have to be copying infinite energy and we don't reasonably know if he can so it'd be stupid to assume till we actually get conformation of something like that. But until then majority of these growth arguments are 1, no limits fallacies as garou and Saitama are stated to have peaked in power at points in the battle to where they stopped growing and two even if they did they'd have to grow infinitely to do so until proven otherwise.

[@sunwukong5791]

@@chosengen1able if he couldn't copy and keep up with Saitama then he couldn't get anywhere near Goku since Goku is levels of infinity above galaxy level

[@garoumonsterawakened6384]

@@chosengen1able bro you have to know that jiren was not pure brute force, vegeta from the dragon ball super super hero movie said that they were not so far from jiren's power, but that jiren knew how to better control his ki, if the sjjblue would multiply the ssjgod x50 goku would have surpassed bills a long time ago, garou can copy the phases of goku's ssj and his doctrines since these are not only transformations but also techniques that garou copied a quasar, I don't see a problem that he can't copy each of goku's transformations In addition, when he fought with Saitama, he copied his serious mode, but not his increase in Saitama's power, since he has infinite potential, so much so was his growth that Garou himself said that if the fight continued, he would defeat him with a single blow.

[@itsxzist8351]

Let's remember that Gokus body was demolished after using MUI if Garou tried using mui he's body wouldn't handle it because remember mui isn't a mortal technique it's completely far beyond that God's struggle to achieve it after hundreds n thousands or years

[@Neuvillete4.6]

Even kaioken can kill him

[@suggestagoodname831]

Adding to that moro tried to straight up copy mui and you know what happened his power overloaded if you don't earn the form your body collapses simple at that

[@autisticgamer8664]

Garou after copying mui: 💥

[@fishyboy2140]

Wasn’t garou on the godly steroids tho?

[@Dogan_TM]

@@fishyboy2140 Honestly, it'd be down to how bullshit Garou's copy ability is actually supposed to be. If he can copy literally every aspect of someone's skill, then he could technically just copy the experience and knowhow to avoid having any difficulties in using it. Otherwise, yeah he'd go 💥

[@legendarytronic7774]

6:30 THANK YOU FOR THIS I SWEAR HEARING THAT ARGUMENT ALL THE TIME HURTS MY HEAD

[@Jay_SGE]

YES DUDE! I commented on the other one you had to make a new one and you did! Well done superstar! 🤩

[@starburst98]

I dunno, goku has a big "want to fight you at full power" thing and letting people power up. So I can imagine him just letting Garou power up repeatedly and then just have a stalemate forever where they both adapt to each other till the end of time.

[@antique6503]

Sure, Goku would do that, but he still solos and it’s hardly a fight.

[@Dogan_TM]

Shit, sounds like a wet dream for Goku.

[@blondethunder8912]

@@antique6503 bruh once Garou gets goku’s full power he will destroy him. Garou grows faster and probably has better fighting style if not he can adapt. That is his whole character he adapts

[@antique6503]

@@blondethunder8912 MAAAADDD copium. “Once he gets his power” my ass. First of all, Goku would speed blitz the whole verse several times over before anybody can do so much as lock eyes with him, and second, even if Garou managed to copy him, he doesn’t know any of Goku’s techniques or how to use them. It was easily to mimic Saitama because all you needed to do was PUNCH.

[@shawnlee1]

@@antique6503 did you see how garou copied blast? or even read the manga? because he def can copy Goku's abilities. he basically has the sharingan but amplified to stupid amounts, basically infinite. He def can get on Goku's level, and even surpass it, if Goku allows him to continuously power up. Only way Goku wins is if he blitzes him at the start and dont give him a chance at all.

[@wutzgud1576]

It’s kinda concerning how being able to shake the universe is only multi-galaxy level Edit: in the video he said that garou could copy both power level as well as skills he also shows that garou passively increases his power to surpass his opponents, but then later says that even if garou copied goku he would still get wiped because the difference between galaxy level and multiversal level was too big.

[@eon9081]

Last week I saw the last video, and asked for a sequel. Looks like I got what I asked for.

[@Serpentine_9]

GET THIS MAN TO 10K ALREADY

[@jaidynallen3847]

You got how Garou’s modes work a little bit incorrect my friend

[@Devonlui]

And all of this, is a massive low-ball, since the clash feat is low-multiversal. Making base goku low multi or 4d, which would make it impossible for garou to match goku's strength because it would be literally more than infinitely higher

[@Lechgang]

Goku does not have any multiversal feats, nice try.

[@ameshizen381]

@@Lechgang he legit was fighting jiren who is faster than time and resistant to it. Jiren broke out of hits time stop which is debatable to be a 4D feat

[@Lechgang]

@@ameshizen381 Saitama can ignore the bounds of time all together.

[@Just_Pradyun]

wdym low multiversal, goku is universal

[@chickennigg]

@@Just_Pradyun goku is low multiversal but I respect your opinion

[@scrumt9284]

14:00 You should also mention, when Moro LITERALLY copies ultra instinct in the manga because he didn't train to handle it he bloats up. I believe this would happen to Garou, if not worse because Moro at least has some understanding of Ki and also has his magic.

[@SephyCyndi]

that was because of the ridiculously high KI of an angel, which is far beyond even the gods of destruction. Thats why his body couldnt handle it

[@scrumt9284]

@@SephyCyndi No, it wasn’t. Whis and Goku verbatim imply then state it is specifically a property of ultra instinct.

[@ComputerGamingg]

Just found out this channel and im loving it

[@rutabesh8280]

Goku doesn't have "plot armor" he's being held back by the plot

[@potato.09]

Goku is stronger cause of dragon balls weird power scaling at some point super saiyan god goku almost destroyed the universe and then at another point GOKU IN SUPER SAIYAN BLUE ALMOST DIES FROM A LASER GUN (frieza resurrection arc). While one punch mans power scalings are almost perfect in my opinion, so thats y its hard to make a character stronger than goku and interesting at the same time

[@kotasake]

Not weird at all. Very easy to understand why he got hurt 😅

[@raulgamer498]

If we take the statememt of Goku with the laser Beam I can take the Saitama being hurt by a cat (funny)

[@aisaback6221]

So to make it clear. Db characters have ki surrounding their bodies. Goku simply didn't surround where he got sniped with ki. Its still pretty stupid as goku is not a character who does something like that.

[@cyanp.ramirez5174]

@@raulgamer498 Galaxy Level Cat and FTL Mosquito, at least those are meant to be gags.

[@raulgamer498]

I know

[@crowgaming6364]

I think he missed what the copy ability was built for, it wasn’t just to copy the power level, but also technique, if Garou copy’s kioken, he can use it himself, and if he continues to copy goku in power while keeping the multiplier of kioken, not to mention that he might even be able to increase the level of kioken on his own due to the nature of his knowledge of all things, and this is assuming goku is in character and sees the potential in garou, I can easily see garou reaching goku in strength. Like frieza, garou is a natural and if given the time, which I know goku would let happen, he would become a top tier, that’s just the nature of his power, the only reason garou isn’t already “universal” in power is because of the power level of the people around him, imagine if goku was never attacked by the saiyans, cell never happened and the androids were never built. Goku wouldn’t have become anywhere near as strong as he is now and that’s the situation Garou is in, a character with op growth but no one to bounce off of.

[@fitnessstuff915]

😳 wow! nicely stated.

[@7kdr43fg]

My guy be spitting fax

[@kdthegod8485]

the immense strain kaioken puts on your body might be too much for gauro to handle

[@fitnessstuff915]

@@kdthegod8485 sounds like someone doesn't understand opm.

[@kdthegod8485]

@@fitnessstuff915 i need context you can’t just say that and nothing else

[@_curt99]

Garou: *Copies goku* Goku: fuck you im a main character

[@Alassandros]

Regarding the gap in the stars, I always read that as a spatial distortion caused by the extreme attack rather than the destruction or movement of the stars. There's something there that's obscuring the view of stars. I could be wrong, but that seems way more likely than those stars being destroyed considering those zillions of miles away from each other.

[@demomanchaos]

Displaced the incoming light like how putting your finger in front of a hose can disrupt the water flow.

[@shobooknight]

Yeah since even if they were destroyed it would take an extremely long time for the stars to go dark as the light travels for years and years even after the star is gone.

[@tangerinedropper7141]

I really think any fight against CFM garou would be decided not by how strong a character is, but how fast their power level can grow. growing fast enough to outpace his copy is the only way saitama beat him, after all goku... obviously still wins there, because quickly growing his power level is kinda his whole thing. but yeah! lol

[@jasonfarrell00]

Scientifically…to best explain saitama and garou being able to instantaneously move stars across the galaxy would be the effects their actions have on space itself, as space can travel faster than light. So their punches are so great that they interact with space itself with such force that it’s rippling instantaneously across the galaxy…pretty cool 🤷‍♂️

[@devastatheseeker9967]

The whole "outside the universe" thing doesn't work for dragonball. Dragonball's "multiverse" isn't even a multiverse. You can physically travel between the universes in dragonball so it's hard to even say whether or not the world of the kais does exist on a different plane. The "universes" in dragonball are more accurately just a step above a galaxy. So a galaxy is a collection of stars and planets and a universe is a collection of galaxies. Which is completely incorrect but thats the logic dragonball is under. Think Asgard in Marvel. It was originally considered a different plane but now it's just somewhere really far out in space and they have really advanced tech not magic.

[@xianxiaemperor1438]

Please do a video series on Mythology Scaling - basically scaling characters from mythologies and legends

[@stormfang9208]

One thing is when you explained the copying ability you made it seem as though Garou was stuck at galaxy level. If Garou copied the power of Goku and went equal to him he would then be Base Goku Universal level. Anything other than that I agree Gokus significant jumps in power would just end Garou if he decided to end it before Garou has the chance to copy the full strength of Goku.

[@tryingmybest1888]

I think he meant that he would be copying a suppressed, galaxy level Goku, not that Garou wouldn’t get Goku’s strength as he powers up.

[@partystarter8041]

From what we seen , when garou copied saitama , he was able to use the serious abilities despite not have seen it

[@tryingmybest1888]

@@partystarter8041 I don’t think that’s true, Garou had to intentionally try to get Santana to go all out by killing Genos so he could copy his full power

[@partystarter8041]

@@tryingmybest1888 true that but even if not , we saw that he was able to match him immediately the moment he changed to serious , and from what we know , he was at that moment stronger , but saitama just had a faster growth rate

[@partystarter8041]

@@tryingmybest1888 that’s why I think broly could easily beat cosmic garou since his growth rate is most likely faster , but also maybe not considering that garou could copy the legendary form and out pace him

[@lennethomega6731]

Also Garou did not fully accept divine powers, i dont know if it made a difference, maybe if he fully accepted it he would be much more powerful, and have a faster and higher exponential growth. Making him more dangerous against someone like Goku. Although i doubt a fully powered cosmic garou would even stand against Saitama, even if they fought for days, probably making them both above universal if they kept getting stronger each minute, Saitama would win without sweat.

[@tonyhawksproskater2406]

Garou only hand shook God so imagine If he had hugged him or something 💀 He would've been op

[@speedbeyondlogic]

Goku can adapt, grow in the middle of combat and can also get rage boosts. While in ui goku evolves too. He hits more quickly, sharply and heavily. And even in ui goku can get a rage boost. He went from struggling against an attack while in ssj to punching out the same attack in his base form and that attack was stronger than every other attack prior. The shockwaves, beam clash, the attack beerus nullified. Goku's skills also allowed him to for a moment until she adapted beat ssj 2 caulifa while he was in his base form and he was still recovering. Then ssg goku later was handling a stronger version of kale than the one who steamrolled through ssb goku prior. And before going stage 3 in omen base goku who had just got knocked out of his ssb form was eating multiple attacks from jiren and could still try to mount some kind of offense before having no choice but to go omen for a 3rd time.

[@Kenos347]

Loved the video

[@banzu.8354]

This dude explaining every detail he could possibly pull up between Garou and Goku. *Someone trying to say Garou can do this and do that or saying something is true or false when this entire video explains everything.* I just feel like OPM fans just hate Dragon Ball, some people literally think Saitama solos fiction.

[@joshsamra352]

Love that you use facts and stats and logic instead of bias, I have one point in defense of garou though, garou gets much stronger as he fights and uses his modes. So if goku were to fight with a weaker form such as ssj or ssj2, he could copy those forms and become stronger, forcing goku to use a stronger form such as god or blue or even Mui, then garou would copy that then become stronger. And I know Moro tried to copy mui but was unable to, but cosmic garou broke it limit, so he can handle as much energy as he needs/wants. Anyways loved the vid keep up the good work. Also in your opinion who has better reactions, goku mui (doesn’t rely on reaction and moves on his own) or garou (who can react to attacks before they come out)

[@Professor_Fiction]

I explained that entire scenario in the video

[@abhaypatel605]

Goku knows when to end the fight, for example when he fought broly he noticed Brolys battle growth ability and ended the fight before he could grow stronger.

[@fitnessstuff915]

all of the sudden, the discussion switches to a galaxy vs universal power gap. what happened? did garou suddenly lose his copying abilitiy? did goku suddenly decide to "one punch" garou? i hope he makes another video with garou being able to copy ultra instinct.

[@cmon9505]

He cannot copy and surpass high power gaps, as Saitama when he emotionally grew, garou was unable to close the gap, even with all the time he had. + Goku has arguably way better growth rate feats

[@xenofix9078]

But isnt garou not growing in his fight against saitama? If i remember correctly he doesn't grow but copy him and the reason garou lost was because saitama was growing to be stronger than the version of saitama garou copied in the previous instant. So if that's the case and we take the scenario where goku acts in character ( otherwise he would still speed blitz garou lmao) then garou could probably be able to exactly copy base goku's strenght, then ssj1,sjj3 and on and on... the only moment he would have trouble and would probably lose is when goku will be pushed to go UI/MUI at wich goku's growth in strenght when he fight a strong opponent might recreate the garou vs saitama scenario but ye if the two where going for the kill then garou would be disposed instantly

[@your1hero]

There's also time patrol Goku with SSj4 and God ki absorbed or CC Goku(basically super Goku, but rarely uses kaioken, trained with grand priest, and absorbed energy from a tree similar to turles tree of might but connected to the multiverse) Also learned how to tap into ultra instinct at will, currently in dragon ball heroes finale can use a more powerful dragon fist in ultra instinct.

[@MrCraftyScales]

Great vid

[@darkslash22]

Garou is not just "good in hand-to-hand" he was trained by a master of the flowing Water style by a master of martial arts a style that uses their opponent's movements against them like Siegfried from History's Strongest Disciple Kenichi

[@aisaback6221]

I’m sure he meant when compared to goku

[@jirenthegray5776]

Stop meat riding. We've seen the limits of that style. It doesn't even work on shockwaves.

[@Jarasonic327]

My main issue with goku’s “multiversal level durability” is moments where he gets damaged or even nearly knocked out by attacks that were ASTRONOMICALLY below that in terms of sheer energy output e.g: goku dying to a single ki blast from hit while on guard, said ki blast was not able to break a boulder, then there’s the laser beam freiza’s goon used to mortally wound goku, granted he was caught off guard, but I find it hard to believe freiza arms anyone with a weapon able to destroy the universe. And last of all in his fight against super broly goku is getting his shit rocked but no universe ending shockwaves or punches.

[@Just_Pradyun]

exactly, even when he had a low guard he should be able to handle an attack that weak but did not

[@nxgg7829]

If you both go back to the namek saga, when a fighter lowers their ki (guard, defense) their durability is nerfed to that of like a normal human. This is exactly Gokus main issue that all his maters tell him. No the lazer can’t destroy the universe but because Goku lowered his ki (the same ki that is the reason why his durability is so high) it damaged him.

[@unknownincognito2425]

As they say in boxing, the deadliest punch is a punch you cant see so maybe you can apply that to those scenes and say goku just has his guard down? But yeah goku's durability is quite inconsistent.

[@sayajin8773]

Same reason you see superman getting damaged by weaker fighters. Plot

[@ProjektTaku]

goku when off guard has lowered his ki to basically normal human levels, meaning his durability isn't enhanced. The reason they don't destroy universes with each attack is because we need the story to continue and their ki control allows them to mitigate damage.

[@justaweirdo3162]

aint no way yall havent noticed for AN ENTIRE YEAR that bro called space "the sky"😭

[@deatho0ne587]

Speed feat, with using anime. After Zamuos is snapped from existence by Geno, we see Goku in base after the fight and not healed moving in a space that has no dimensions. Meaning there he could be traveling INF speed due to lack of time and lack of x, y and z. I am not saying Saitama can not beat Goku but Cosmic Garou is not a decent comparison though.

[@OnePolishMoFo]

Is there really even a reason to mention Super Goku? The moment Goku obtained God ki his power jumped from solar system to universal. I can't even begin to calculate the difference. And Goku only gets many thousands of times stronger after. Unless Goku just literally stands there and lets Garou kill him with radiation poisoning this isn't even a match.

[@childoflight9084]

Multi galaxy. We saw kid buu do it and Goku SSJ3 was swapping hands with him so they should be relative. But yeah that is an astronomical difference

[@nilli111]

Not universal. Do the math in your head, the scale, the energy, the possibly infinite distance to make a single attack universe-busting. It's not happening. Galaxy, sure. Multi-galaxy, maybe. Universe? You're out of your mind

[@yagachi8821]

@@nilli111 it was clearly stated that they were about to destroy a universe multiple times bigger than our universe

[@childoflight9084]

@@nilli111 no they are stated numerous times to be universal. Hell we see it happening on screen where things are actually being destroyed and the entire macrocosm was in danger. Yeah Goku is universal

[@OnePolishMoFo]

@@childoflight9084 I would argue he's beyond universal in that fight because the macrocosm consists of the living universe, which is confirmed to be many times larger than our actual universe. And all dimensions associated with that universe. Including the Otherworld, Heaven, Hell, the Kia realm. And they're all universal sized spaces themselves. At the beginning of the series no less. It's ridiculous.

[@Iamthegirlcalledfran]

OPM writers: So, we have this guy who can copy the strength of his opponents. Goku fans: NAH BUT HE CAN'T COPY GOKU'S POWER. Manga: *Casually copies Saitama's power with no damage or fatigue* Goku's fans: NAH HE CAN'T

[@Professor_Fiction]

Damn you didn’t even watch the video

[@TheSkinnyGiraffe]

@@Professor_Fiction ong bro

[@Iamthegirlcalledfran]

@@Professor_Fiction Sorry man lol

[@therizzler777]

Garou didn't even copy Saitama completely, if he did the battle won't stop, cuz he'll have the same growth speed of Saitama, but that's not the case.

[@Snulge]

I think canonically Goku would match Garou before Blitzing him after realizing he was evil. But if Garou went at Goku realizing they could both scale to infinite together they might just fight forever.

[@erickrosa7277]

Bro it’s like you guys didn’t watch the video, he literally covers this point. 13:40

[@Snulge]

@@erickrosa7277 Yeah well I predicted this point and there for my wrinkley brain was right. Didn't need the video for common sense.

[@shawnvofficial]

Great video. New subscriber here. I would love to see your take on Goku vs Superman. I think ultra instinct Goku has a slim shot, but I no good at math lol

[@Nextkej]

even if by some miracle garou manages to copy mui his body will explode the same way moro did 💀

[@MG-cg6so]

you're forgetting garou has the power to copy and perect that technic so if he were to MUI he would perfect the technic leaving leaps above goku until goku breaks his limits and reach a new form causing gr=arou to copy it and perfect going on and on.

[@thepolishlithuaniancommonw8986]

Even if garou could copy mui he would just destroy his own body

[@elviraweekes3906]

No he wouldn’t ultra instinct only destroys your body if you keep on breaking your limits or. Whatever bull crap reason Akira Toriyama made it why Goku didn’t just Win the TOP by himself.

[@thepolishlithuaniancommonw8986]

@@elviraweekes3906 bruh his body breaks because it can’t handle ui you can’t use out of verse arguments for why someone can or can’t do something

[@nilli111]

He probably could copy MUI. He copied Saitama's moves, and his physical state. If Garou wasn't as strong as Saitama when they made the Serious Punch² impact, Garou would have been deleted. He copied not only Saitama's moves, but the physical strength and durability necessary to use them. The only thing he couldn't copy was Saitama's Abominable Fist that turned against God, which is a constant exponential power growth pattern when he is truly exerting himself. Goku doesn't have a guaranteed power growth pattern like that. Not if Garou copies MUI Goku. And he could. He would.

[@thepolishlithuaniancommonw8986]

@@nilli111 ya my problem with that is it’s a jump from at best multi-galaxy to bare minimum universal which is a pretty big jump but maybe he could

[@justtony3108]

@@thepolishlithuaniancommonw8986 I mean it's not even a stretch to say multi galaxy as when serious punch² happened they had grown far more beyond that

[@kaystruenoo]

What is this insane Goku downplay? Goku scales to outerversal and has infinite, inaccessible, and immeasurable speed feats.

[@AdaptaniumArt]

I am currently at 10:15 and i dont know yet if he will state this, but gokus speed feats in the buu saga are crazy, he was calculated at arnd ~4 quadrillion FTL by zipping through the universe, into the afterlife, and through hell…

[@lycanbladefang4768]

I'm still really bothered how SSGod Goku clashing with Beerus can cause the whole universe to break, and that feat is repeatedly used by Content Creator that speaks about Goku when scaling him. And then Blue is supposedly much more powerful and that form has been spammed continuously and even gets bodied even by opponents such as Hit, Goku Black with equivalent Rose form, Jiren, and Broly. But the "shattering the universe with sheer force" is never mentioned again or no longer a concern... Why? Dragon Ball super feels like SCP Apollyon class writers that they just keep boasting how much their OC can be god over everything and then nerf everything down on the next page just to keep it simple and convenient for writing purposes, Blue is now being used like SSJ1 and having the same fighting effect, just larger boasting.

[@Tyreker]

Well it’s simple, because the universe developed its own plot armour much like how the earth did All jokes aside it’s probably just for story telling because if the universe was always at threat of being destroyed due to goku and his opponents it’d be hard to write a story with that always happening so it’s easier to just ignore that and move on

[@ioffendedyoudidnti4784]

It’s literally called ki control . I can tell you don’t know how to scale dragon ball

[@lycanbladefang4768]

@@ioffendedyoudidnti4784 Ki control huh? You're saying every single antagonist are considerate for Earth and nerf themselves down to not break it even it they would lose and accept being killed for it? Such great mentality from the villains. Oh and Broly who could toss around SSGod and shakes off Blues was also like "Ook ook me dun wan random planet to blow up must control Ki". Is that what you're saying? I'd take the first guy's answer, he's more sensible than you are

[@lycanbladefang4768]

Scale Dragon Ball, Ki Control. So what's the point of God and Blue if they all revert their power level down to basic SSJ and the opponents are also obligated to do so? Why don't just hang around SSJ 1-3 or just be in their base at this point of the story? Zamasu wanted to destroy all mortals, not just humans specifically, or for some reason, its never specified that he just wanted humans to die and had some plan for Earth that he keeps it around(With Japanese language, Ningen implies human, so maybe he is). There were other alien race in universe 7 and Zamasu Black only hangs around Earth to just scare people and not just blow it up and move on to the next "MORTALS". He's just so elegenace to "Ki Control" to not terrorize Goku and Vegeta and force them to "not Ki Control" so he could win. I never knew he was so nice, wow

[@ioffendedyoudidnti4784]

@@lycanbladefang4768 I literally don’t care about how you feel about my answer 😭 you’re mad about the truth? It’s ki control nothing else . If you think that every character is nerfed because they don’t go wild and destroy the entire universe you’re literally wrong

[@eichler721]

Great video. Love OPM and imperfect era Cell is the level of Gauro.

[@vinayurs4123]

yooo update to the old video lesssgooo

[@Hector-wj6jn]

i really think goku beats garou, but you are scaling wrong, as from garou you are scaling in a mathematical sense, with goku you are only scaling with statements, in a scaling video you cant scale anything if someone says a statement, but the actual feat, goku cant be universal, because he hasn't destroy not even a planet, so if you want to scale both in a mathematical way, divide 10000 to goku with UI scale (10000 as the minimum to destroy a planet), and then just find how many planets could goku destroy with his current power and there you go, goku scale. if you want to scale in statements you need to say both, goku and garou, garou states time is nothing to him, that is an statement not a feat, just as whis saying goku and bills could destroy the entire universe. a feat of goku could be goku hiting moro in UI or goku moving faster than hit or something like that, those are feats not statements

[@Hector-wj6jn]

you can even try to scale bills and then doing the goku being 10% of bills strength

[@Professor_Fiction]

Join the discord and debate me

[@Hector-wj6jn]

@@Professor_Fiction cool but i will really struggle to explain because my main lenguage is spanish

[@Hector-wj6jn]

@@Professor_Fiction as i already say i agree on goku wining to garou really easy but i do not agree on goku being universal/ multiversal for reasons i already explain

[@mrkat8137]

Garous best chance of beating goku is during the Buu saga lmao 😂 I wish Super was written better. Goku turned universal instantly 😪

[@ioffendedyoudidnti4784]

Literally z isn’t any better . Goku just getting ssj3 out of nowhere ? Gotenks getting ssj3 out of nowhere ?

[@Gettinoverbarrie]

@@ioffendedyoudidnti4784 he literally trained for 7 years during the time skip What do you mean he got ssj4 out of nowhere?

[@tankenjoyer9175]

​@@ioffendedyoudidnti4784 Its becaude ssj3 is a adaptation form for the ultra super Saiyan but instead of focusing the Power on the muscles he put that energy on his Jair soo he got the good part of the ssj ultra strength and Still Very fast. Só he could stand buu

[@urnannn]

Ssj1 vegeta in cell saga hit a star in 4 seconds with a ki blast. The closest star to earth is 4,3 light years per second, meaning his speed was 1 light year per second. So 20 000 PLUS light years per second in blue. That’s STRICTLY MINIMUN, might’ve been a another star that is further than 4,3 light years away. Let alone KAIOKENx20 blue goku or MUI. At least 500 000 LIGHT YEARS PER SECOND

[@urnannn]

And that was SSJ1 VEGETA IN EARLY DBZ. So their top speed now is over 1 million light years per second

[@urnannn]

Keep in mind JUST 1 light year per second is 31 000 000x the speed or light. Now do 31 million x 1 000 000

[@Strife4006]

Not to mention in dragonball when talking about univers 7 it's not just the mortal realm witch is stated the size of our univers it's also hfil witch is about the same size and also the realm of the kias witch is stated larger so when goku threatened do destroy univers 7 while fighting beerus it was minimum 3 times our universe witch is insane

[@Strife4006]

Oh and goku can but dosnt instant transmission people to king yema aka the afterlife but I'm not sure if you would consider that killing someone

[@CanadianKomodo]

This video has a LOT of problems, but my main one is this: how do we know the speed that Garou can copy at. It has to be above his travel speed at the beginning of his fight with Saitama. Think about it. After toying with Blast, Garou realizes Saitama is a strong opponent and his first instinct is to copy him. Then he kills Genos and Saitama lunges at him full speed. Remember Garou is aware that Saitama completely outclasses him and knows his only win condition is to copy him. Yet despite being slower than Saitama, he enters Saitama mode before getting punched in the face. His copy ability is at least MFTL or possibly instant, and we know his main strategy is to copy, refine and outgrow a strong opponent. Goku can still win this as you said, but it depends what form he takes first.

[@they_fw_lei]

Also the limit on the copy ability lol

[@Professor_Fiction]

The point being made was that the gap is so severe, that Goku would literally need to stand still and actively let Garou copy him at full power, which he would never do. Even in a non kill setting when the gap was much much smaller, Goku made sure to stop the Saiyan Girl duo from reaching his level with their massive potential. The gap between Garou as we know him, and full power Goku is billions of times, severely, SEVERELY lowballing. Even if Goku started in base which is more than enough to vaporize Garou from reality, and then Garou copied that, Goku could transform into literally any higher Super Saiyan form, blitz and one shot "Base Goku Mode" Garou

[@Supreme_Court.]

@@Professor_Fiction Garou doesn't need to stand there a scream for a while to power up. He can literally copy mid strike. The whole argument for Goku winning revolves around some condition where Garou's copy ability can't be used. Garou is broken as hell, the narrator called his copy ability "instant". The only reason he lost is because Saitama is even more broken.

[@cassianomatias1170]

Garou only copied Saitama at the beggining, in the whole battle he was behind Saitama's strength, couldn't he just copy him again to match the power and try something else? Maybe Garou could mirror someone's power only a single time

[@Supreme_Court.]

@@cassianomatias1170 He realized he had to keep copying Saitama constantly near the end of the fight. Then Saitama dared him to go ahead and try to surpass him, but Saitama started growing so fast that Garou's copy was getting exponentially eclipsed every moment.

[@garoumonsterawakened6384]

you forgot that goku can not survive space, then garou is not the same as moro, he copies the techniques he learned and combines them to make his own read the manga, garou increased his punch power by copying saitama in serious mode so much so that he tanked the serious blows that could destroy the entire planet, garou's copy abilities are very OP so much so that he taught saitama how to travel in time this because he controls all the forces of the universe, thus simulating gamma rays of a quasar and teleport where his vision arrives, he practically learned it during the fight with saitama who knows what else he could be capable of if the battle dragged on, the multiplier of the ssj blue is not multiplying 50 times the ssj god red, it is only slightly stronger there is not much difference between those transformations in the opm manga editorial it was stated that garou had the ability to shake the entire universe, this was also mentioned by blast when garou acquired the cosmic power of god In conclusion, Garou wins if the battle goes on for a long time, or at least Goku starts using a large part of his power before Garou reacts, which is complicated since Garou copied his serious fist in that thousandth of a second that Saitama threw at him. the first serious blow

[@Professor_Fiction]

Join the discord

[@LordOfChaos.x]

Is no need to arque with DBZ fanbois They will never want to hear it Saitama overpowered Garou because he technically copied Garou by the end of the fight and got stronger by the second because why not He technically became Garou but better Saitama now both knows God Slayer Fist and Gods Fist, teleportation and time travel At least if he had his memories

[@garoumonsterawakened6384]

@@Professor_Fiction cosmic garou beats goku, read the manga well it seems that you skipped details, not for nothing did he receive help from god who is a being above all

[@fitnessstuff915]

nice!

[@hassanelessawy1993]

@@garoumonsterawakened6384 Thats an assumption to gods power but gokus full power is like multi multi versal which is probably beyond opm's god

[@TRIPTHEARTIST]

Comparing any dbz character to almost any other show will never be fair. Master roshi and piccolo were blowing up the moon before the saiyan saga. Now pretty much every main character is multiversal in a universe that's like 13 times bigger than our own. DB characters are just in another realm of power

[@Absol125]

The poison resistance is different from radiation resistance. The poison can destroy the cells from your body but it can't damage your DNA like how high levels of radiation can.

[@y3nn506]

either way Saitama still claps

[@albertcarlosras2994]

no

[@dumflame]

Nah, not yet at least Maybe in the future

[@ConquerAndCommand]

either way garou negs the verse and saitama negs fiction

[@tankenjoyer9175]

Saitama is at Max lvl of Cell he cant beat Goku

[@ConquerAndCommand]

@@tankenjoyer9175 goku is max mumen rider level he cant beat saitama

[@deadlyspaghetti1]

I know that Garou still loses even with this piece of information but in the manga it is said when he copies techniques he also refines them to perfection over the course of the fight ass well as being able to combine it with other techniques. So it is TECHNICALLY possible for Garou to win if given enough time to perfect Goku’s techniques, AND combined it with gravity knuckle and nuclear fission punch. But that’s with all the odds stacked in his favor, just thought it was worth mentioning.

[@mikailsaga]

bro, the techniques is already refined to perfection by goku. There is nothing to refine.

[@TyTy-ep8pe]

@@mikailsaga aye. Goku is also approaching or in his 50's during the tournament of power, the sheer experience difference between the two prodigies is also insane

[@thornze_1]

thanks man. anytime I make a 1v1 debate about characters I always use you as proof :) .

[@Vrabsher_-Supreme_Perhinther-]

Sonic the Hedgehog : "These people are pathetic , they should step up their game ."

[@Cyberwolf-pw5rq]

A better match up would be using DBZ characters instead

[@cyanp.ramirez5174]

Yeah Z Goku vs Cosmic Garou would be a better matchup.

[@TheSkinnyGiraffe]

Yah but UI goku gets more clicks

[@kyoudc2751]

Garou slams

[@mauricejohnson2351]

Namek goku is still universal so you have to use sayain saga literally💀

[@Zeno1781]

@@mauricejohnson2351 with wank we could put namek saga goku at universal if we take the frieza is a universal threat literally If we also consider the goku fuses with the audience movie real, we could scale namek saga goku to universal

[@TrippieMint]

When it comes to Garous copy abilities you can argue it only works in his universe because it was given to him by god and he is the progenitor of all monsters and human mutants (it is at least implied this also means the hero’s and villains are tied to him) this could be why the creator of one punch man says after god is defeated saitama becomes the weak I think this is because his powers are tied to god and after killing the source of it he becomes weak if there’s an ability that is possible because of gods power then garou can have it (like garou can copy saitama because saitamas power are also correlated to god but he took what he could imitate because saitama doesn’t have limits while garou still did garou copying super natural abilites in other universes is kinda like Yuta from JJK copying gojos abilites yuta is able to copy abilites and make them better sure but he can’t copy gojos abilites cause they are tied to his bloodline and what he is born with and other aspects of the power system in JJK you can’t just copy other power systems in other universes most of the time another example is kakashi he’s copied hundreds to even thousands of jutsus in his own verse but put him next to super man and saying he can copy his heat vision

[@toadsage8965]

But he’s it’s explained that hes able to copy abilities because he gained all knowledge of the universe and can minipulate matter (so basically he understands how any ability works and can copy it by replicating it ) and the sharingan thing is dumb because the sharingan never copied abilities it just allowed the user to replicate techniques they saw

[@dylanhudec979]

@@toadsage8965 but it has a limit he can’t copy the whole thing he would die because it’s too much power

[@mrfidgitmin1014]

Quote “I’m no hero of justice or anything else like that, but anyone who tries to hurt my friends! IS GONNA PAY!!!” This goku quote alone would mostly have shown Garou that he didn’t need to find and hunt out goku in the first place. Plus goku is pure of heart unlike the corrupt hero’s Garou claims to be hunting

[@TheGoldenBat]

My manz didn't even mention Flashy Flash in the fight between Garou and Platinum S.

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

Garou is multi galaxy level, Murata actually draws galaxies in the backgrounds of space.

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

@BOEGVELD False. There are multiple panels of space with galaxies in the background. Read the manga

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

@BOEGVELD You're simply coping and incapable of keeing it real considering the shot of the massive void is the widest shot with obviously the least detail in the far away celestial bodies. Saitama and garou destroyed multiple galaxies and solos your favorite verse that isnt EOS Z and Super

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

@BOEGVELD There were indeed galaxies in the path of that redirected energies and you can cope all you need to knowing that's a reality

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

@BOEGVELD >Murata consistently draws galaxies in the background of space. > Saitama and Garou literally create a super void in a wide panel shot featuring many stars and galaxies since it's established galaxies are in the background of shots of space. >You coping more like the DBtard you are >

[@joselarios6848]

Garou would put up at great fight, especially via his martial arts. But I got goku winning about mid diff.

[@raulgamer498]

I think Garou could not even be able to think and Goku already one shot him (assuming bouth go full out)

[@Magic_Squid]

Goku negs in base form, sorry.

[@joselarios6848]

@@raulgamer498 I mean goku fights to his opponents level, just like Saitama.

[@joselarios6848]

@@Magic_Squid kid goku

[@raulgamer498]

@@joselarios6848 that's the reason to say "assuming bouth go full out"

[@phxmaell1338]

Power scaling dragon ball is just crazy. even the writers don't know what's going on

[@legendarytronic7774]

So like said in the video people can't use garou copying the power of goku as an argument considering since goku is always holding back garou would only copy a supressed version not to mention garou has to MANUALLY COPY which again means goku can blitz him anytime he wants.

[@whosbutter]

Can't garou teleport him in space ? If he do that then garou wins as saiyans can't breath in space

[@speedlord9658]

but can be fast enough to do it tho ? , even if he can , instant transmission will save the days lol

[@denisn8336]

Wrong saiyans can

[@whosbutter]

@@speedlord9658 ok but what about Vegeta

[@whosbutter]

@@denisn8336 Vegeta himself stated that saiyans can't breath in space Source - manga

[@denisn8336]

@@whosbutter yet they’ve fought in space Numerous times

[@elviraweekes3906]

The only ace Garou has up his sleeve is his ability to copy, that we don’t know a lot about because. We don’t know if the ability copies everything like the durability the speed. The strength and transformations if it’s able to do that then Garou might be able to win.

[@kotasake]

He definitely cant do that 💀

[@See_Saad]

@@kotasake He can, haven’t you read the manga? Garou copied Saitama’s abilities and suddenly was abble to tank serious punches and strike with just as much strength as Saitama.

[@elviraweekes3906]

I said if he can do that because if he can then it would be an equal fight. It would just be a battle between who is better at fighting in general.

[@judgemasterneimaz8260]

@@See_Saad Doesn't matter. Garou wasn't able to fully contend with Saitama even with the copy ablity which means it has limits. And saying it doesn't means your aiming for a no limits fallacy argument which isn't gonna work.

[@cyanp.ramirez5174]

@@judgemasterneimaz8260 Garou has shown limits, but he's right that he can copy AP, Durability and Hax from everything in his range.

[@marquiseh5128]

God ki is a technique, throw the God ki multiplier on garou. Throw on a perfect kaioken for however high it can scale, throw on perfect UI.

[@LeoLau-ip9bv]

3:45 i think he teloorted the energy there so ya probelly also probelly pretty far in those stars so it only nead stto be able to engolf them from the middle maybe i don't know cool vid to

[@alexrobinet7576]

Garou has limited stamina as well. Its likely even if he copied up he would tire out due to not starting as skilled.

[@dontmindme55]

Not skilled?

[@dontmindme55]

@@SnakeInTheRain fr unlike saitama

[@omniartist8297]

Goku too

[@dad691]

@@SnakeInTheRainIt’s almost like he has multiversal levels of power 💀

[@dad691]

@@SnakeInTheRain Sped

[@godspeed6980]

Garou is more like buu saga level in power

[@cyanp.ramirez5174]

Only with Saitama Mode tho.

[@Memerproductions]

@@cyanp.ramirez5174 what if he goes mui Goku mode

[@cyanp.ramirez5174]

@@Memerproductions I don't think he can copy it perfectly, but if he can he probably wins.

[@Zeno1781]

@@cyanp.ramirez5174 he can’t Not even the gods of destruction could master ultra instinct and they have been alive for well over a million years

[@mauricejohnson2351]

Namek saga*