Gold Experience Requiem Isn't BROKEN?!

I would've never expected a premise like this!
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[@JobberGodot]

What Is This, a Crossover Episode? Lol. Nah but seriously i’m very grateful and thankful to be on here. I hope everyone has a Merry Christmas in the upcoming days, and a Happy New Year! 💚

[@TheVeganStudent_]

Fire

[@WallyWestEXE]

U sound like u gotta go to the bathroom every time u spoke in the intro.

[@hariman7727]

Merry Christmas!

[@Jotaro4535]

me when i have no content ideas and decide to start saying dumb sh!t:

[@hyperburno7310]

Who let bro cook, this whole "in character" argument doesn't really work mainly because that's still Giorno controlling Ger, and in previous fights Giorno is always in control of the situation always making moves. You can attribute his attitude to getting a new ability, and the whole KC doesn't erase time thing is just incorrect. He's not neccasarilly erasing the present sequence of events. But he is erasing future events and creating a new timeline. And then there's the revert to 0 works on GER's perception, that doesn't work at all because Diovolo never attack Giorno and Ger was never aware of Diovolo.

[@OptimusNero]

*Fun fact:* In the novel "Over Heaven", it's revealed through Dio's journal that he knows about the existence of Diavolo, and how he plans to meet him once his feud with the Joestars is finally over. Imagine how the interaction between both bad guys would be like

[@darkmatter9643]

over heaven is technically a fan novel not official cannon

[@OptimusNero]

​@@darkmatter9643 It's a 100% official book. It's licensed

[@OptimusNero]

@Arkhalis7 It's true it's not canon, but it's still an official product.

[@KingOfFools784]

@@OptimusNeroyes, that’s what he was saying

[@darkmatter9643]

@@OptimusNero my bad I meant cannon

[@ibrahimmadi1250]

No matter how broken ger is it can never deflect the emerald splash

[@potturtle366]

🗿

[@magnetotar]

I wonder if anyone even finds this funny

[@ToenaiI]

@@magnetotarme

[@S_xoffender]

​@@magnetotarme

[@potturtle366]

@@magnetotar me but its also my way of coping 😢

[@snowboundwhale6860]

29:00 My understanding of King Crimson's apparent inconsistency is that part of the time skip ability is to remove Diavolo not just from fate but from the law of cause and effect for it's duration. People are fated to take certain actions which in turn produce fated results; Diavolo in time skip isn't bound by fate, so he doesn't need to follow fate and provide the cause, but the effects of the actions he was fated to take still manifest (Trish's hand, Narancia's death). They occur automatically because that's what was meant to happen, Diavolo just went off script while reality wasn't looking to keep him in line. Equally, Diavolo cannot produce new effects in skipped time, hence why he typically cannot attack or be hit during it. The effects of his fated actions occur without him providing the cause, but no matter what causes he provides it won't produce an effect while within skipped time, hence where his intangibility comes from. He's basically a non-interactive entity, where everyone else loses all perception and autonomy in skipped time but still is able to act and have their normal fated impact on the world, Diavolo retains his ability to perceive the world and it's events as well as his ability to make conscious decisions, but forfeits his ability to meaningfully act upon them or be acted upon until time returns to normal.

[@dynamitejmt1]

Meta

[@bogmog100]

it just works

[@ZorillaMyrid181]

I really don't understand how people mix this up

[@OptimusNero]

Ngl, Diavolo's eternal death loop would be a perfect continuity tool. The boss suddenly appearing in "Crazy Diamond Heartbreak" or "Purple Haze Feedback" and then suddenly dying for random motives would proprely stablish those works as alternate reality stories

[@LilGuy-hk5ro]

Giorno - creates life and makes two identical stonefish. Jotaro - bursts into uncontrollably laughter.

[@Ardenict]

I think blud could make Dinosaur or dolphins with GER since he got no limit what he can do with Life giver ability

[@optimisticscales7081]

Did anyone else kinda think that Giorno's GE life punch ability is effectively just like Dio's time stop? Both have the ability the hold someone in place and make them completely vunerable to his attacks. The biggest difference is it's better for the user to deal with GE's life punch becauee all you have to do is avoid being directly hit. But the downside is once you do get hit you're forced to endure every subsequent punch at an agonizingly slow rate instead of the jump scare effect you get with time stop.

[@mandalorianhunter1]

Im glad we get to see more JOJO scaling from you three, i love you three. Been with you Kaleb since end of 2017, so 6 years now.

[@soapytoepics]

2017 WAS 6 YEARS AGO?!

[@mandalorianhunter1]

@@soapytoepics Yeah man math is weird

[@themacewens]

The second the stand stats for Burning Down the House shown up, the gears in my brain started turning overtime connecting the dots to GER. Burning Down the House god tier stand confirmed.

[@minakshirahudkar584]

No kidding burning down the house>>>>>>>>>>>>Mih, Ta4, GER, Wou

[@MiculBandit]

This just goes to prove that JoJo content creators know less about the series than most people

[@creeeamy7133]

Its crazy how people will make channels dedicated to Jojo and still not get how King Crimson works in 2024. Araki has vividly detailed fate in parts 4, 5, 6, 7 AND 8, though 7 and 8 are slightly different. Fate in jojo is absolute, so skipping it makes sense in Jojo as opposed to real science, but they still pretend otherwise

[@MiculBandit]

@@creeeamy7133 I'm pretty sure that if an average JoJo content creator would watch a Hamon Beat video their brain would fizzle out of existence like Kira did with that one hand

[@creeeamy7133]

@@MiculBandit forget Hamon Beat, I feel like simply paying attention to the themes of overcoming fate, regardless of the absolute that Jojo consistently portrays and outright explains in the Bites the Dust arc and beyond would cause them to instantly be removed from this plane of existence.

[@MiculBandit]

@@creeeamy7133 Correct, simply paying attention would explain all the "inconsistencies" that they're always complaining about. I just mentioned Hamon Beat as one of the people that pay attention to what is mentioned on the screen

[@akdyearling]

The golden wind requiem slander is crazy

[@joegun4259]

Not slander, the truth

[@richardnixon2587]

​​@joegun4259 nah, its slander ger is awesome

[@calebcrawford2520]

Jabber is a fraud. Any attack...key word, ANY, means it gets reverted. Just stupidity, tbh.

[@josephrogers3666]

@@richardnixon2587it’s awesome but also debunked star platinum victim

[@tjadams98]

⁠@@josephrogers3666not quite true. Star platinum wins if u assume all of the downplay around GERs physical stats is true. You’d also have to assume that he can’t just punch jotaro and send him in an infinite loop without him having to be near death. On top of that, you’d have to assume that he can’t revert jotaro a time stop back to zero (even if jotaro gets his ability off before giornos). We see that GER doesn’t need to be aware of time to react.

[@A.Broken.Arrow.]

Giorno, before defeating Diavolo, says, "Righteous actions born from reality will never be annihilated. Buccellati is dead and so are Abbacchio and Narancia… But their actions and their wills have not been annihilated. Now are your actions born of reality? Or are they born of superficial evil? We’re about to find out.” If someone fights for an evil cause, GER can do its thing. It is not in GER's nature to go against an act that someone else considers righteous. Suppose that Giorno knew he was in the wrong, or perhaps his enemy truly believed they were right. Given fate rewards those on a path of justice, like what the series covered and what Emporio stated, then the person fighting GER may stand a chance. Perhaps thats why Part 6 ended the way it did. Besides, requiem stands are a tool of fate, and are used to win in that specific moment. That's all.

[@some_shitposting_idiot3023]

giorno is literally stated to not know what ger is capable of

[@trappedcosmos]

You have to consider that the stand stats for GER saying "none" and this for other stands would imply that it's either below or above all stand stats, obviously you would assume below but given statements about ultimate stands and that it's faster than what diavolo could precieve which would imply it's above

[@TheVeganStudent_]

All the statements make it clear in only its ability can’t be measured, and it means in the sense of there’s nothing to measure like with burning down the house.

[@GlizzySan]

So he established that ger was able to operate in king crimson’s time skip but assumes ger wouldn’t be able to do that to time stop?

[@browdoe]

The thing is that GER wasnt even proven to react in time skip, cuz Diavolo obviously attacked Giorno right after it, cuz he can't attack during time skip, while Jotaro/DIO can whatever they want in time stop. It was even shown better in anime with KC's time skip end visual effects right before Diavolo tried to punch Giorno

[@Sun-cg6lv]

@@browdoehe saw the future of him donuting Giorno and GER talks to him DURING the 10 seconds of time skip.

[@sigmaohiogyattfanumrizz]

KC doesn't manifest in real time tho right? Diavolo is basically isolated, and time keeps flowing for everyone diavolo just deletes 10 seconds

[@rabidcanine]

Jobber really just hates GER

[@calebcrawford2520]

I don't take him seriously. Dude is a fraud. People who are actually serious know GER is busted.

[@jocoolshow]

@@calebcrawford2520Jobber thinks GER is a barely top 10 stand, I think it’s a top 5/6 stand. Go Beyond, WoU, Act 4 and Love Train simply scale ridiculously higher…to Multi+ via Love Train…the weakest of the 4, transcending infinite dimensions on a 4-D scale. Meaning RtZ wouldn’t be powerful enough to stop their hax as it operates on a Uni+ scale 5 is either GER or MiH. Depends on if you think GER didn’t stop MiH because MiH’s hax is higher into Uni+ than GER and it wasn’t able to stop Pucci (despite Giorno basically being confirmed to be in Florida), or if you think the only reason GER didn’t work was because MiH didn’t target it with an attack and if Pucci knew of Giorno and had ill intent, GER would’ve negged him

[@some_shitposting_idiot3023]

@@calebcrawford2520 just because you circle jerk ger doesnt mean ger is as busted as you think he is

[@mbot1901]

This is a great video and I totally agree with the main argument of this video for the most part but bro GER under enraged Crazy Diamond is so funny💀

[@altaccount4431]

Idk how accurate it is to scale by statements in jojos because how its written, but regarding GER, RTZ imo scales over fate. King crimson/Epitaph is a stand that can change fate for the user and the target which RTZ countered which would mean GER is beyond fate which could mean that againt time stop, of Jotaro attacks it could just cancel both of them out of stopped time. Stat vise i agree SP>GER, but low-ball for GER should be king crimson stats because of how requiem functions and i dont think that king crimson couldn't hurt Jotaro enough for death loop to start.

[@TheVeganStudent_]

3 things. Diavolo’s ability only leaves him unbound to fate for those 10 seconds only, and mind you this all works within a place of which where time still flows. RTZ never activated when during this period at all and had to wait for it to end for in order for RTZ to take action and for GER to attack. Jotaro is easily way stronger and faster than Diavolo, Jotaro also took hits directly from The World and only ended up with broken bones. King Crimson is no where near as strong as The World so he’s not hurting Jotaro. All of this should make it clear that Time Stop should easily bypass GER as GER has no way to react within it.

[@derekhofstetler3998]

Also, pretty sure Pucci said that fate getting changed IS fate. It's very confusing.

[@SuperDababy2]

@@TheVeganStudent_ 3 things. It's never stated that GER can't function without the flow of time, and it's even implied that the stand is above stuff like that (it can see into epitaph and time erase). RTZ either activated at the end or right before the end of time erase, but Diavolo acted like it was during the attack so... It doesn't even matter anyways since GER REVERSED TIME to undo the ability and could function in said reversed erased time while Giorno and everyone else couldn't. Jotaro is stronger and faster than Diavolo, but so is GER. You didn't even prove why Diavolo would be stronger than GER for this comparison to work. All of this should make it clear that GER washes SP like it's nobody's business. But even if GER COULDN'T MOVE IN TIME STOP, it would still win with your rules. GER would just RtZ right as time stop ends and then take no damage and win in a similar fashion to how it did KC. Either way SP would lose even if you downplay GER like you did.

[@TheVeganStudent_]

@@SuperDababy2 that first claim is something on you to prove since you’re making a positive claim. That is false and it’s pretty easy to prove, Araki has gone on record to state that Diavolo can’t attack during “erased time” and therefore Diavolo needed to wait after it ended for him to even attack. Even if I assumed it actually “erased time” it didn’t even activate during it. Diavolo not being able to erase literal time is also easy to prove as everything else is still flowing like his blood when he threw it at other people and the blood moves. Erased time in the literal sense means that it’d be no different than time stop, so it’s clearly not. It’s pretty easy for anyone to see why but I guess you didn’t pay attention to part 3. GER’s best scaling is only above Diavolo who admitted he almost could’ve died to Silver Chariot’s attacks were it not for Epitaph. So this would only put GER either or under or equal to Silver Chariot. Star Platinum is easily multiple layers above Silver Chariot and the Anubis fight even proves as much since that was an amped Silver Chariot that only kept getting faster as the fight progressed.

[@Jotaro4535]

Jobber? the same guy that said KC didn’t literally erase time despite araki himself confirming it? and if it didn’t literally erase time then explain narancia and risottos deaths?

[@derekhofstetler3998]

It was fate that it would happen, plus risotto.. well.. watch it again.

[@Jotaro4535]

@@derekhofstetler3998 and the bullets went through diavolo???? did he just erase the perception of the bullets hitting him?? hmm hmm?? go watch it again

[@TheVeganStudent_]

@@Jotaro4535it would just mean intangibility is also part of the ability.

[@raidenpainn1561]

​@@TheVeganStudent_ 😊 yo. Why are you saying that there's a hint of purple in the obviously black curtain, what is the stand Ability that diavolo and araki wrote?

[@Jotaro4535]

@@TheVeganStudent_ okay so what you’re saying despite both araki AND diavolo confirming that it’s literal time erasure but not only that there is evidence supporting it via erasing time to evade those bullets? you instead argue diavolo has somehow gained some sort of intangibility ability??????? what

[@hyypesama]

Jobber really doing the most after getting his head beat in 37 times on the GER topic

[@Capta1nTD]

Don't do my boy GER like this.

[@edwardstones5956]

Power scaling is cringe. If Araki one day decided that some random martial arts master or something can block attacks from mftl stands but can’t block something that is way slower, he can just do that. Basically power scaling means nothing if the writer decides how a fight goes.

[@Capta1nTD]

@edwardstones5956 Power scaling is about the thereotical. Discussing what would logically happen when writers aren't involved based off the info presented. If you're not into that, that's fine. Some people are.

[@reflex9238]

@@edwardstones5956 seems like you don't know what power scaling is.

[@Kyuubey0406]

@@reflex9238 thats literally how power scaling is. its for hypotheticals without the writer being involved.

[@reflex9238]

@@Kyuubey0406 then tell me what power scaling is?

[@smokeyboi4646]

Seeing Star platinum vs Beat Ger is kinda weird because the req arrow is stated to just booost your stand and seeing jotaro beating a req stand 1 vs 1 I don’t see that happening i know Scr has been defeated by normal stand but scr required a whole team of people to beat it

[@cyrus8886]

Jobber deadass claimed that silver chariot can beat GER because it's faster This man is a lost cause

[@siddharthnair4732]

Yea, the lowest and the absolute lowest I would put GER is just above SP but the silver chariot beating GER was too much. It shows how much he really downgrades GER

[@TheVeganStudent_]

@@cyrus8886so Silver Chariot is faster than GER then?

[@cyrus8886]

@@TheVeganStudent_ hell no Speed is distance/time GER doesn't care about the latter half of that equation It's by default the fastest stand

[@josephrogers3666]

@@cyrus8886no, speed Ger>silver chariot in SPEED the ability is not reliant to the argument Jobber use the argument that the ability is limited by reaction speed witch is why he said being speed blitz would work in the first place

[@snivydream]

I can sense the mess that is going to unfold

[@SimplyUnst4ble]

To me, the way GER's ability has always worked is like this- Since we only saw it activate once, during King Crimsons time erase, there must be rules to when it activates. First, we know Giorno doesn't know of RTZ, since GER said that not even Giorno is aware of the ability. Second, I have set three rules that I think all must be met for RTZ to activate. If even one isn't met, RTZ can't activate. 1. Time has to keep flowing. The only time we saw it activate, is during Time Erase, during which we know that time is still moving. This would mean that during Time Stop, it can't activate. 2. Giorno is unable to defend himself. Again, the only time we saw it activate, is when Giorno was unable to do anything and defend himself. So technically speaking, if he was able to defend himself, RTZ would have no use. 3. The enemy has to make a direct attack (projectiles don't count). What's considered a direct attack may vary - but for me, a direct attack is a punch, kick or anything like that. Since we saw King Crimson try punch Giorno, the ability kicked in. Like I said, this is what I always thought is the way RTZ works, it may be false, but for me, this is my Head Canon.

[@minakshirahudkar584]

It makes narrative sense too. Giorno with requiem is supposed to be all powerful above everyone else because that's what the point of the arrow is.

[@tonberry2670]

Here's how I look at GER. It's actually super simple. The ability is "Return to Zero". In other words, it has the power to undo anything and everything that's happened. The important thing to keep in mind however is that it's strong enough to undo fate itself. But because fate in JoJo's an unerring and uncaring bitch, it won't just simply stand by and allow it to happen. So it essentially forces Diavolo into situations where he HAS to experience his end result, by which GER automatically returns that fate to zero, only for fate to exert it's will again, resulting in the death loop.

[@minakshirahudkar584]

​@@tonberry2670 Damn that's pretty interesting. Do keep cooking 🤔

[@DweezyBreezey]

I don't think that's a good way to judge it's capabilities. Requiems are supposed to be this all powerful, but also mysterious transformation. Limiting GER's potential to what we've seen feels like missing the point of it being this crazy and potentially dangerous power that no one really understands and that we only get a peek into. Also, you have to account for the fact that how GER was presented was for dramatic effect. Having GER only activate right before Diavolo is about to attack while Giorno is helpless during KC's seemingly unbeatable ability just makes for a really exciting moment. That shouldn't mean that's where it's limits lie, that's like only seeing Part 3 and assuming that Jotaro could only stop time when he's about to die just because that how it played out in the story. And to be a stickler, technically GER sending Diavolo into the death loop was using the RTZ ability, so he was able to use it without those stipulations there.

[@systemx3403]

​@@DweezyBreezeyyea and its with alot of jojos the more you use the stand the more potential you will have for example tusk act 4 the first battle of his we get to see his infinite rotation that it can break the barrier but would be impossible to conclude that he can do that on all surfaces or his ability makes him immune to time stop same case with ger the reverse to zero didn't work only in the last second just because giorno can't move or react due to king crimson ability and that's the reason why he don't know the ability of ger not because he can't but because in the only time he use it he can't react due to king crimson ability

[@Sun-cg6lv]

Yeah. There’s a lot of issues with this video. Jobber says GER can’t damage Jotaro enough when life givers punches in base GE would kill Jotaro if more than 3 landed and just 1 would disorient him based on the Bruno fight(it’s dura neg), GER is stated to be a complete upgrade on all GE’s base powers so Jotaro would be cooked if he landed hits. The second would be the activation has a speed set and that it isn’t passive even though Jobber’s own argument is that the stand stats are referencing the power not the Stands actual stats of the stand itself. So how is speed “none” yet it needs time to activate where supposedly Star platinum would blitz it? The Stats is also weird as Jobber assumes that even if SP is better that GER wouldn’t scale relative even though KC scales above Polnarieff (by his own admission in strength and speed) and is stated “First class” in those 2 stats yet Requiem completely blitzed him (even with epitaph) 3 different times and one of those was when it was still in it’s shell, so he needed to break the shell and then blitz him so bad he didn’t know where it went 😂. The argument of it needing to damage people to a certain point goes against the stat page where it states “anyone struck with this power will have EVEN their death returned to 0” meaning that just getting hit with RTZ will turn everything including death to 0 not “if hit enough times”. If RTZ needed something or a condition to activate then it wouldn’t be the “ultimate stand ability” like its stated to now would it? Since stopped time and even things like Time Erasure don’t have anything like that. Could go over more such as the Giorno in part 6 thing being added after the part was already done so GER (which might not even be active anymore due to the arrow not being inside Giorno’s stand anymore)shouldn’t really face scrutiny for being in a part where SP is hyped up as the strongest and it’s only bringing up the possibility of him being in Florida since it’s stated that he was too strong to be gravitated towards Pucci like the rest of DIO’s kids. Long vid

[@xero0pacity88]

holy shit thank you for this, it honestly started pissing me off as how jobber thought he was cooking the whole time when in reality he was trying to use little bullshit details that he decided to completely misinterpret, it sucks too how meta and Kaleb have switched against ger, i glaze tf out of ger but ive done hours of research and proof to where i know for a known fact that it is indeed the ultimate stand and would destroy any other stand in its path and neg them (including Wou and soft n wet go beyond) Another feat these guys completely misinterpreted and most people misinterpret (and even i did until about a week ago), is the pebble that Giorno supposedly shot at Diavolo. Everyone thinks that giorno turned the pebble into a life lazer and so did i, but after some research and rewatching, its obvious that giorno FLICKED the pebble so hard/fast that it literally looked like a light beam being shot, to have a feat to be able to do something like that easily puts its stats above any other stand (we havent really seen star platinum for example do something to that extent with its physical strength), and after he flicked the rock, it completely went thru diavolo's hadn and then destroyed the wall behind and then the pebble giorno touched started turning into scorpions which makes more sense. to be able to flick a rock so hard that it literally looks like a light laser beam and that someone who could use epitaphe couldnt even react fast enough for it is just more proof that ger is definitely stronger than star platinum in ever stand stat majorly. I think the main issue was just the fact that is was only shown for 1 episode, so it has idiots like jobber thinking theyre cooking and trying to underestimate the stand when there is more than enough proof that tells us that it really is the ultimate stand.

[@Casual_Olem8]

Damn this was fun to watch but each time Silver Chariot and Chariot Requiem is brought up it makes me wonder how powerful a hypothetical fully controlled Silver Chariot Requiem would be. Like he'd probably still get slapped by most other really strong stands but I think it's just cool to think about.

[@ihaetschool3361]

i mean, the dude has an A in potential, there's room for him to get much stronger

[@hariman7727]

GER is a counter ability: It prevents reality manipulation and time altering abilities.

[@derekhofstetler3998]

It has limits, remember their argument?

[@hariman7727]

@@derekhofstetler3998 I'll be honest, I wasn't feeling the whole vid, so I only got partway through. I might listen later, but my comment is as much about why GER isn't utterly broken as it is about interacting on a good youtuber's video.

[@creeeamy7133]

@@derekhofstetler3998 their argument was: Nuhu, I said so

[@ultra254]

I would say king crimson's ability is at least slightly more than erasing people's perception of time due to it being able defy what epitaph predicts, Which otherwise would be fated, And GER also undid the effects of what was predicted by epitaph so MAYBE GER can fuck with fate in some way but idk And I'm also gonna have to call some cap on GER needing to attack the opponent to activate it's ability, It was reverting Mista's bullets and some birds in the background without attacking them The whole ultimate stand thing is even more confusing, Star plat was around when GER was the "ultimate stand" in part 5, And then in part 6 after star platinum's ability didn't change in any meaningful way, It turns out star plat is the ultimate stand now?

[@ultra254]

@@Arkhalis7 It is not unlikely that GER only reversed king crimsons ability, It would be easier to tell if we knew anything more about GER

[@AmericanBrit9834]

Considering WOU, SWGB, and D4C:LT, GER is pretty far from "ultimate". Hell I argue it's tied with Tusk in terms of powerful stands. You can't just negate infinity because infinity is not a number. Also all of them are 2000% more interesting and/or earned than GER

[@ultra254]

@@AmericanBrit9834 Yeah, The whole ultimate stand thing is silly

[@wildlastname5814]

The stand pretty much does whatever it wants it's bonded ability is to manipulate souls you know what else it can technically manipulate stands via soul manipulation it doesn't just revert actions it reverts life itself the ability rewinding in diavolos perception was probably the future being changed to what ger wanted. It's also shown during the infinite death loop that people that diavolo interact with play the course in helping the desired outcome of what ger wants which is diavolo dying. So basically what I'm trying to say is nothing will work on the stand if star platinum stopped time the time stop would probably just end as soon as he got close to g.e.r if tusk was shot at g.e.r it would end up probably missing because it can't hit g.e.r and it probably will end in johnny not being able to use his stand to defend himself Same with every other stand in jojo's including the users.

[@wildlastname5814]

So by all means it is the ultimate stand it's just that it wasn't shown in it's full glory during the diavolo "fight" what diavolo saw was a visual epitaph changing fate Infront of his eyes seemingly reverting what fate was shown to him in favor of an outcome for g.e.r because g.e.r manipulated epitaph and king crimson's ability it manipulated souls which is ironic with golden experience's natural ability to manipulate life.

[@nicholasaugello2534]

The fact Rohan has a better Stand than Gerno is just WILD to me

[@FatherLucid]

He doesn’t LMAO

[@ethanhess8230]

Honestly it’s more powerful than the most charitably amped up version of GER

[@SuperDababy2]

are you on crack? how do you think people would actually fall for that bait?@@ethanhess8230

[@nicholasaugello2534]

@@FatherLucid dose Rohan giving you command even count as an attack though?

[@FatherLucid]

@@ethanhess8230 in which aspect?

[@Moonshakethatguy]

No my boy on fraud watch

[@raidenpainn1561]

Dont cook again. Basically the entire video: "The stairs look blue but are they actually blue? The stairs next to them are red, the stairs look violet in the dark what did the stairs look like before? Do the stairs always look blue?" Bro look at the stairs, what color are they? Because theyre definitely not black

[@hitcat1157]

That’s a pretty dishonest summary. The topic really boils down to if I generally say “I’m God”, would you take that literally with no question or other interpretation? or would you question me with different interpretations, and only go with the one that has the most feats,statements, and context if i’m literally god or just metaphorically? Etc?

[@raidenpainn1561]

@@hitcat1157 yes but what happened in Jojo is GER said it's ultimate and proceeded to show why it's ultimate. Now they are trying to prove why it's not ultimate by doing everything but looking at what happened in order to disprove it. Hence the allegory I made earlier.

[@hitcat1157]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@raidenpainn1561?????? That’s not what happened in the video at all, matter in fact, not only did Jobber show that GER is an ultimate stand, but Star Platinum is too! He never tries to disprove the idea of “Ultimate Stand” for either. Please seek psychiatric help

[@TheVeganStudent_]

@@raidenpainn1561that’s 100% false. No one denied it was an ultimate Stand, they’re saying out of the ultimate Stands in JoJo, it’s not the strongest.

[@KillerBlaze]

I always figured GER reverts you to 0 if you try to attack it.

[@calebcrawford2520]

You would be correct. Sadly, Jabber is a fraud.

[@KendrickXLamar--]

Fr

[@Ardenict]

In Diavolo Case, yeah it did. No matter you use Epitaph and Fate in your favor while Also erasing 10 seconds. You will be reverted

[@joshnunya324]

All that matters is Can GER reverse time stop? If yes, he wins

[@FatherLucid]

He can

[@josephrogers3666]

​@lucid6484 not if he doesn't land an attack on the faster time stopping stand first

[@FatherLucid]

@@josephrogers3666 why would he need to land an attack???

[@Ryan-zw9om]

⁠@@FatherLucid​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠so he’s able to use RTZ against the time stopping stand, Ger can only use RTZ once he lands a attack on the enemy. It was even shown in the anime where GER shot a beam at Diavolo to be able to use the RTZ ability

[@user-kx7ip1tp7w]

​@@Ryan-zw9omNEVER EVER was it stated he had to land an attack or implied, its very likely for the sake of epicness and Mystery that it was first shown how gers base abilities were massively and then the new one. Also considering how dramatic giorno and by extension ger is it makes even more sense that it was just ger playing with his food

[@pierrecourtois5167]

I'm really having trouble to trust these powerscaling discussion when everyone throws around the "faster than light" thing willy nilly. Aside from time altering stands, I don't see how any stand from Jojo could be described as faster than light. Sometime it's because a character *says* it is without any backup, sometime it's because of bad assumptions (mainly around Hanged Man). But it really hurt the credibility of the whole

[@reflex9238]

What makes you think they’re not faster than light?

[@pierrecourtois5167]

@@reflex9238 Aside from the fact that it's physically impossible, just imagine this: being faster than sound (eg, breaking the sound barrier), is incredibly loud. Nothing like that is ever displayed either in the anime or the manga. Moreover, a big part of that scaling stands from the assumption that Hanged Man is ftl, which is never shown

[@reflex9238]

@@pierrecourtois5167 So let me get this straight, you believe they're not faster than light, because real world physics aren't added for this very reason? Do you dislike the show because Stands don't exist in real life, or what about vampires?

[@pierrecourtois5167]

@@reflex9238 do you understand what powerscaling is ? It's using the material to understand the abilities of a fictional character. Nothing in Jojo goes toward the argument that there's faster than light stands. What's next you're gonna say Jotaro can transform into Goku because there's surnatural in Jojo ? I never claimed surnatural event don't happen, I've claimed that nothing states that FTL stands are a thing

[@reflex9238]

@@pierrecourtois5167 Well you did, since you mentioned the only they can't be faster than light is because its impossible. Its very clear that you don't actually know what power scaling is, since this is a very amateurish mistake, nobody who's a power scaler makes this mistake this is just yourself.

[@PattPlays]

31:11 viva riviere eat your heart out that was the best way to explain the elevator ive ever heard

[@miranhaespada1381]

2:48 u can't scale king crimson to silver chariot in speed, because of the colisium enconter Diavolo only needed to attack, because (as obvious) he can think during time skip At the same time Polnareff needed to see the blood, think about it and did a 360 attack Polnareff did more in less time And u can aply the same to the first fight they had Diavolo used time skip do avoid silver chariot's, i would argue that he did it because he couldn't deal with it fisically

[@reflex9238]

Yeah that’s the biggest thing, like Diavolo would be just under Polnareff in speed. The other issue comes from the fact that Diavolo blitzed Giorno and was faster than the rest of the group. While it is confirmed that GER does also get a power and speed amp, there’s nothing to imply that it got faster to the point that it’d keep up with Silver Chariot. Plus Diavolo even admitted that he could’ve died were it not for Epitaph.

[@SuperDababy2]

@@reflex9238 GER is implied to be faster than every stand in the series up to the end of part 5. Not only is it called "the ultimate stand", it's also implied to be strong than the whole stand rating system.

[@reflex9238]

@@SuperDababy2 nope that is 100 percent false, there is no such statement that it’s stronger than every Stand throughout the entirety of JoJo. The only guidebooks that says this is JoJo A Go Go which stops at part 5. Part 6 says Star Platinum is the strongest Stand, more up to date guidebooks even make it clear that GER isn’t the strongest and just call it an ultimate Stand, which there are many of nowadays.

[@SuperDababy2]

@@reflex9238 1:52 this statement THEY USE literally says what I say, so unless you have word from Araki himself idc.

[@reflex9238]

@@SuperDababy2 so Araki can’t change his mind because you want GER to be the strongest, pretty pathetic.

[@titasreference964]

**Click the video* **See Jobber* **Close the video*

[@michaelmorbillionmorbius3596]

You hate him that much jeez.

[@king-xl3667]

Bro opposing opinions is what makes powerscaling so interesting. Dont get emotional

[@cyrus8886]

Ah jobber the king of frauds Bro deadass still on his clown arc

[@error-4269]

This arc will be as long as one piss Nacho.

[@Opana223]

​@@error-4269one piece is peak

[@josephrogers3666]

If u are gonna call him a clown at least say why

[@derekhofstetler3998]

I mean, he makes sense. Even METAs admitted it.

[@SuperDababy2]

@@josephrogers3666 1:52 his statement he brought up on why GER's stand stats aren't related to it's actually stats literally says that GER's stands stats are related to it's real stats.

[@lethalegengo6525]

Oh lord jobber 😭😭😭

[@juanhaines7295]

I love these group colabs.

[@pikablu_25]

I'm thriving for this exposee bc this is how I felt the entire time

[@DrMDC]

THE POTENTIAL MAN CONVERSATION

[@zap3231]

I'm just gonna say, the fact that you need this long to make an extremely convoluted argument as to why GER isn't fate-breaking and OP, whereas Araki only needed like 3 scenes to *obviously* tell us that GER IS fate-breaking and OP, shows that you're obv in the wrong. Jobber, you're the fraud here. Edit: Also, like, relying on stand stats are just made up and you know that.

[@Ardenict]

Jobber knows the fact and the truth that GER an OP top 3 stand but he still denied it somehow.

[@error-4269]

Bro literally has a CAP on his "avatar" Gordon Ramsay would have a stroke if he saw this mans cooking.

[@derekhofstetler3998]

All his statements make sense, TF you mean?

[@SuperDababy2]

@@derekhofstetler3998 1:52 He bring up this statement to counter the idea of GER's stand stats talking about it's actually stats, but the translating goes out of it's way to say that RtZ is a fucked move AND GER has the highest destructive power out of any stand up to that point in the series. His own evidence put his argument to rest within the first 5 minutes.

[@hitcat1157]

@@SuperDababy2 1:37 - 2:10 For full context for what’s being said and argued. The translation did not say that GER has the highest destructive power, it says that RTZ has an attack power surpassing that of existing stands. There is no “AND”, the whole statement talks about RTZ beginning the sentence with “It’s ability to nullify…” then say “Furthermore” (what proceeds the previous information) is that RTZ has an attack power to surpass existing stands. What RTZ does and is as an ability is the REASON why it’s attack power surpasses existing stands. Jobber then later on shows evidence of a Part 6 Star Platinum being stated to have the strongest stand ability ever up to that point in series. The evidence and arguments in this video put your argument to rest within less than 5 minutes.

[@derekhofstetler3998]

@@SuperDababy2 TA4>GER Statements, feats, general storytelling perspective, all says that TA4, no, even TA3 can beat GER. His RTZ cannot counter infinity. We have no proof of that.

[@SuperDababy2]

@@derekhofstetler3998 GER literally uses RTZ to stop Giorno from getting donuted. Epitaph clearly shows that Giorno getting hit is FATED to happen but GER can still revert it back to nothing. Also by principal, infinity DOES have a starting point to go back it. Being infinite only means that something never ends, not that it never starts. The only stand I see even coming close is S&W:GB, since it makes it's bubbles technically not even exist. But the way TA4 uses infinity is different than S&W:GB. The GER fate feat is probably the craziest feat in Jojo's, or at least crazier than TA4 beating TS and LT.

[@Rexilius253]

37:30 You solved it for me man 😂 I wasn’t sure about GER until I saw this and Jobby’s video about it

[@nameslastnames4507]

On King Crimson his powers can't be perception because he's intangible during time erase. To clarify it means there's nothing physical to interact with because you can't interact with time. Other things if perception was only erase characters would still know what they did within the 10 seconds of time erasure as soon as it ended since things still happened. Lastly, you can't avoid fate if your ability is only perception needs to be something higher than that like literally erasing time

[@TheVeganStudent_]

Him being unbound to fate would just be another thing the ability can do on top of erasing people’s perception of time, so it’s not like it’s mutually exclusive.

[@nameslastnames4507]

@@TheVeganStudent_ Sure but at that point you're just adding powers to explain things. Time is intangible and with time deleted you avoid fate since they're linked together. With perception nothing correspond with it unless like you add separate abilities which aren't mention anywhere in the official material

[@TheVeganStudent_]

@@nameslastnames4507 same thing would apply to the intangible in that it’s another part of the ability that isn’t mutually exclusive.

[@nameslastnames4507]

@@TheVeganStudent_ What you mean you cant interact with time which is why he can only attack once its done. Same reason with Dio time stop, explain to me what's stopping Diablo from attacking if it's perception?

[@TheVeganStudent_]

@@nameslastnames4507 that’s false as we see DIO interact with objects in time stop be it when he killed Kakyoin, hit Jotaro with The World etc.

[@mkysoul]

The 5 star d1 hating from Jobber is Insane😭

[@tobiaszglik2850]

Who is the 5 star d1

[@mikhailabraham421]

D1 hating is it’s own word, 5star is the stand, they’re separate 😐

[@protogensvisiontimelost254]

JOJO scalers when they have no content turn to slandering something thats strong by saying its weak challenge: impossible

[@joegun4259]

Jojo scalers when they realize a character isn't as strong as they thought so they decided to go over it:

[@Opana223]

They just hating ​@@joegun4259

[@josephrogers3666]

@@joegun4259exactly

[@Jotaro4535]

@@joegun4259 no the commentor here is right lmao

[@michaelmorbillionmorbius3596]

@@Jotaro4535 Ignore him, thats one of his goons. Theyre bound to say that shit

[@gabrielgallimore6801]

I think when they say "Ultimate Stand" I feel like its more of a "This is THE stand of all time, this one is what you should think of when you think STAND"

[@Ardenict]

3:36 i Know Jobber already saying BS. RTZ doesn't "messing up time" It was reversing causality and fate! If it was indeed TIME, GER could just reverse time when all his friends still Alive and the part 5 result would be completely different.

[@kotasake]

Happy holidays to me😂 goated video and collaboration. I'm glad my GER Downplay is FINALLY mainstream 😂

[@Ardenict]

All they said was "Nuh uh because i said so" How is it downplay? 😂 They denied the fact and literally obvious truth and somehow still insisted by it. If you are that type of person i won't argue with you just like a child that wants their character stronger no matter what facts coming towards them 😂

[@kotasake]

@@Ardenict ok bro

[@ZiKDraKulL]

One of the things i like about JJBA is that power scaling is kinda thrown out, because it's more about cleaver and smarts (but honestly mostly narrative) over raw strength. Because it's about creativity, story telling and not just punching super hard, that's why we have dragon ball for.

[@reflex9238]

You say that but Ultimate Kars couldn’t be defeated with any strategy

[@kamilthepainter4374]

This video is me with voices discussing the most random bullshit in the middle of the night.

[@Cpt.McChillin]

Omg the big 3 there in 1 video

[@TildeQ]

Giorno does not need to land a hit to use RTZ anyway. Also GER can react in erased time, it isn't a huge stretch for it to revert stopped time as well. GER acts autonomously and instantaneously. Jotaro is never landing a punch. On the subject of being unable to hit Jotaro, after being returned to zero, Diavolo seemed to be completely unable to defend himself. That is just speculation though, he could have just been too gobsmacked to do anything at all.

[@reflex9238]

He never did both the manga and anime make it clear he couldn’t move

[@jaopulo6732]

I had an idea for a video, you could talk about the duality between the final villains of universe reset, while the D4C Love Train brings good and wards off any evil from Valentine, the Wonder of U, uses calamity to attack and bring the “ bad” to a person, and I would also like to ask you, in your opinion, would Wonder of U work on Love Train?

[@junkyporpoise4254]

GER Fans when Giorno can't even solo his own verse, nevermind all of fiction:

[@mayowaojutalayo5298]

He’s like top 5 imo I think wonder of u (maybe) soft and wet go beyond and tusk act 4 beat him and maybe D4C love train

[@creeeamy7133]

GER haters when Jobbers is wrong about literally 100% of the things he claims:

[@nuzlite]

Seeing jobber on kaleb's channel is so so surreal in the best way possible

[@browdoe]

Against GER there's also one problem with, you know, KC not being able to attack during time skip, so when Diavolo tried to attack Giorno, it was outside time erasure, so there are no feats supporting that GER could even react in time skip, not to mention time stop. Cuz unlike with time skip, time stop actually allows you to freely interact with everything, which with GER having zero feats to have ability to do anything in time stop, he should just get donuted during it. Also its fastest reaction feats are just against KC outside of time skip, which is honestly nothing to Made in Heaven even Silver Chariot could do that, so MiH should just speedblitz with combat and reaction speed. In my list, GER is 7th, cuz imo it's: 1. Soft and Wet: Go Beyond 2. Wonder of U 3. Tusk act 4 4. D4C: Love train 5. Made in Heaven 6. Star Platinum/The World 7. Gold Experience Requiem 8. King Crimson It's just above KC in my eyes, cuz that's really where he gets furthest with feats. I already explained why it loses to SP and Made in Heaven for me. Tusk act 4 just has higher dimensionality and scaling of revert to zero just wouldn't affect Tusk since it's just universal at max. Also Tusk should speedblitz cuz just by being 4D you're way above concepts of speed in 3D, it just speedblitzes anything below multiversal range. GER operates under logic so it should lose to Wonder of U too and Go Beyond is just direct counter, you can't revert something that doesn't exist. The only problematic one is D4C,cuz GER vs D4C is basically stalemate, but D4C beats way more stands on this list than GER, that's why it's above GER.

[@systemx3403]

That's debatable because we just see one scenario if we look at it from narrative perspective ger will win like he state no matter what is your ability you can't defeat him

[@browdoe]

@@systemx3403That's true, however we have these statements for atleast half of these stands, not to mention it's statement from GER itself, in Stone Ocean it was even in SP stats, that it's time stop is the strongest ability ever (which later became almost irrelevant when it lost to Made in Heaven even with Anasui armor) even though Stone Ocean is newer part than Golden Wind. WoU also stated multiple times, that there's nothing you can do against calamity. These statements just aren't very reliable and if they even slightly make sense, it's thrown out of the window right after that. Idk, i think that feats are just way more reliable and GER's ones just aren't enough to put him higher than what i said for me.

[@systemx3403]

@@browdoe the statement that time stop is the strongest ability is just dumb and obviously wrong it's just hipe like whene it was with dio but jotaro overcome it with plot armor and kira nearly beat him with shear heart attack and white snake was able to overcome it and made in heaven beat it easily and tusk act 4 made dio nearly shit himself so I don't see it as the strongest or even top 5 strongest in jojo unlike ger which is more likely to be correct due to its use it literally to broken to stay it was one use against king crimson and it disappeared and that is really good for the next part with no ger pucci plan will work and araki can begin with a new start and not continue with the consequences of his stupid mistakes and plot hole that he makes in the first parts

[@SuperDababy2]

It was during time erase since Diavolo is very clearly losing his shit when it happens and no one else other than GER and KC started perceiving the interaction. And even if it was after it wouldn't matter, since GER reverses time along with the ability and is still active during the ability redoing itself.

[@TheVeganStudent_]

Excellent comment been saying that for years.

[@lethalegengo6525]

Goated video from the 3 goats.

[@protogensvisiontimelost254]

the 3 frauds*

[@lethalegengo6525]

@@protogensvisiontimelost254 damn man calm yourself

[@richardnixon2587]

L video from 2 🐐s and 1 🤡

[@protogensvisiontimelost254]

@@Arkhalis7 what is bro yapping about??

[@Ardenict]

2 One is goats and the one who use cap is clown

[@snipsnip8785]

7:05 i always looked at it as an anime error and what actually happends is he throws the blood and resumes it so the blood in the air lands in their eyes right after

[@user-hw3kb8jm1x]

Jotaro: STAR PLATINUM ZA WARUDO Ger: Nuh uh

[@Whitesnake273]

GER cannot reverse Time Stop unless he's attacked directly in it

[@creeeamy7133]

@@Whitesnake273 that's a nice argument, senator, why don't you back it up with a source?

[@Whitesnake273]

@@creeeamy7133 The manga literally says GER's ability reduces the opponent's attack and will to zero, there has to be an attack therefore Time Stop itself cannot be undone just like that

[@Ardenict]

@whitesnake273 what's the point there while Diavolo literally using Epitaph and Erased 10 seconds from reality ahead so Giorno doesn't hit him. Yet it still can be reverted. If GER can talk and move freely while Time is erased from reality. What could you think he couldn't the same with TS?

[@Whitesnake273]

@@Ardenict Time Erasure literally ended right when Diavolo went for the punch, he did that to himself

[@striker8961]

In the immortal words of Stan Lee: Whoever the writer wants to win will win.

[@Kemoine112]

Would love you guys together talkin more about Jojo! 😊

[@DarkraiDrive]

Im so glad the jojo community is chill as fuck because if this was any other anime fanbase ip addresses would be sent flying with this video title alone lmao

[@cyrus8886]

Jobber been clowned on for months now tho Rightfully so His whole argument is based on assumption after assumption and completely neglects the narrative implications

[@michaelmorbillionmorbius3596]

@@cyrus8886 careful you dont want to get jumped by his goons

[@TheVeganStudent_]

@@cyrus8886what’s the assumption?

[@kwnl-gappy-4-balls]

​@@cyrus8886isnt a lot of ger scaling assumptions

[@hitcat1157]

@@cyrus8886Incredible, whenever there is an opinion over fiction that’s definitely a divisive topic. Instead of respectfully disagreeing, almost half the community resort to Bullying rather than engaging with what’s being shown and said, and what’s worse is that you try to justify the bullying with the sole reason of disagreement over FICTION and nothing really substantial. Imo I respectfully disagree with the Narrative GER argument as Star Platinum has a better Narrative argument throughout Parts 3-6. And GER’s Narrative argument in Part 5 is literally a no limit fallacy that barely has any backing feats and statements wise. Also after seeing GER fans ask to debate this on discord in this comment section, people saying anyone defending Jobber is a “goon” of his or is of lower intelligence by agreeing with him in your standards, as well people lying about what he claimed in this very video. I think i’m going to leave this community

[@user-cg3im9pk9l]

"Its too long if i whip out the whole thing" 💀

[@king-xl3667]

Callab of the Joskies😭🙏🔥🔥

[@msaag5490]

I understand what Jobber is saying, I do. I get that the lack of feats is pretty frustrating as well, hell I would have liked to see more from GER. I still think GER narratively is the strongest Stand even beyond WoU or Go Beyond. Sure, I have no actual feats to back it up, but I'm a believer of narrative weight. It is what it is. If you want to look at it purely feats wise, then you do you.

[@michaelmorbillionmorbius3596]

He's gonna try to debunk the narrative scaling in an upcoming video, so if youre interested you might wait for that.

[@frozenburrito2.087]

Part 3 Jotaro wins any fight, high diff with that thick plot armor. Part 4 or part 6 Jotaro, however, stands no chance

[@jocoolshow]

Part 6 Jotaro is just Part 3 Jotaro but more experienced. Part 4 Jotaro is more experienced than 3 but with shorter time stop so it kinda balances out. Part 4 vs Part 3 is debatable but Part 6 is overall the strongest

[@frozenburrito2.087]

@@jocoolshow I was mainly making a joke because Araki nerfed Jotaro in P6

[@TheVeganStudent_]

GER man, this was a long time coming. Never expected Kaleb one of the GER guys to make the video. Fire collab.

[@siddharthnair4732]

Alright man, ima be honest I don’t really see GER being that weak I still see it at around the WOU, SaW GB level. (Not saying it is necessarily stronger than them). I understand from a scaling standpoint this holds some facts but from a narrative standpoint I don’t really seeing GER being this weak.

[@shirogami4224]

Dude, why you downplaying my man wou like this.

[@siddharthnair4732]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@shirogami4224I ain’t downplaying WOU, I would put it as the 2nd or 3rd most powerful character definitely. It definitely loses to a highballed Josuke with the conceptual damage. And it could hit a barrier at D4C LT and GER. So yea WOU is extremely OP

[@shirogami4224]

@@siddharthnair4732 I don't see ger near wou. Wou would steamroller trough ger,d4clt and tusk act 4. The powergap between wou and other are way too big even though they might be right behind him in terms of ranking. I don't see wou being 3rd. 3rd,4th,5th belongs to ger,d4c and tusk act4. Ger and d4c both being both reactive stand and I don't think either of them have ap strong enough to break through each other's defences. While act4 could go through it but most probably Jhonny has a normal human stats so 1 laser from ger can end him.

[@siddharthnair4732]

@@shirogami4224 fair enough

[@wildlastname5814]

Since g.e.r manipulates souls as I've stated in multiple comments W.O.U is a hard counter to G.E.R not being able to manipulate objects and I assume having a limited range to where the souls can be used since he didn't revert mih's time acceleration and no he wasn't safe because jolyne being able to break the joestar curse(in the main universe) would have been proven false by Giorno still being alive but yeah if he is still alive then jolyne failed. But his ability to manipulate someone's stand is very plausible as epitaph should have still shown the actual future but instead showed a false one. Which is what g.e.r wanted him to see .

[@bruh5_4.]

If giorno Giovanna had made wooden armors made be his stand he chould give his team protection that reflects damage to enemies.

[@SoftwareNeos]

Im surprised noone put Hamon Beat in this call

[@cyrus8886]

He's not a power scaler Nor is he dumb enough to fall for jobbers play

[@josephrogers3666]

@@cyrus8886what play?

[@SuperDababy2]

@@josephrogers3666 rage = engagement bait

[@WoahItsKris]

he would've absolutely cooked jobber and destroyed his arguments

[@silvertongue.242_99]

I always thought time stop was the best time manipulation ability and star platinum is broken. It had to be nerf where the length didn't increase like Dio did. Honestly I definitely see star platinum the world over GER when you understand how it works especially with how time erasure is. Just star platinum stats is broken

[@FatherLucid]

Would you like to debate this on Discord?

[@evolutionaryz3055]

Get these boys an anime podcast

[@YouTubephobia]

i'm in danger

[@AiRenwick]

Pocoloco's stand counters Wonder of you

[@jaxsondav9546]

My headcannon is that SP is as strong as Jotaro believes he is. The first stand barrage against Dio caused SP to begin to evolve (oh if he can fly I should be able to because our stands are very similar). And this also explains why he isn’t as strong in pt4, he sees a new threat as stronger than the last because that pattern was burned into his brain in pt3, and because he didn’t train and stuff he would assume that he’s weaker due to that mindset (he never got to fully grasp his stand’s potential). This would also explain why DIO was able to use timestop so early, he assumed that his stand would be the strongest due to his narcissism, so he got the TS dlc early

[@borederlands5387]

So GER is a powerscaling meme?

[@Ardenict]

GER is so narratively broken and this guy Jobber hates that

[@elvinmendoza5617]

So it's like the Phoenix Illusion Demon Fist from Saint Seiya?

[@davidskoflek6882]

You guys its entertaining and stuff but you forget about the most important thing : THE PLOT 😊❤

[@DweezyBreezey]

This is how I know I am not into the whole power scaling thing at all, because this whole conversation feels like that dismissive "curtains are blue" scenario, but instead of arguing about the meaning of the curtains, it's like trying to figure out how expensive the curtains are or whether or not curtains are better than shutters and what that could mean for whoever bought the curtains. It feels like the conversation gets so far away from the narrative that I just don't understand the appeal in having it.

[@TheVeganStudent_]

What do you mean?

[@stanner601]

I don't know exactly what means, but in my opinion raw power scaling and feats without the context of the narrative is useless. The issue is that's what Jobber uses to justify his position. ​@@TheVeganStudent_

[@hitcat1157]

⁠@@stanner601Wait that doesn’t make sense, GER’s whole narrative is based off 1 feat, and an average amount of statements/descriptions in and out of series for part 5. While Star Platinum’s Narrative is to be number 1 in strength, speed, and time ability that ranges from part 3-6. Like Araki still says Time Stop is above every other ability ever in Part 6. Then he says Calamity is above the whole verse in part 8. Is Jobber really arguing against the narrative or is he just using the ever changing narrative that throughout the series Araki will write in and actively state narratively what is the strongest ability?

[@KingOfFools784]

@@TheVeganStudent_I think I get what he means because I’m pretty sure I agree with him. I don’t like power scaling because the question of “who is stronger” doesn’t interest me. Every power scaling conversation is full of terms that mean absolutely nothing to me because I simply don’t care. It just sounds like one big d measuring contest where people scream at each other because they have to be right

[@FatherLucid]

@@hitcat1157 tryna debate this on Discord?

[@MWaser]

It's such a silly conversation to have. Every ability in fiction of this format is essentially unquantifiable, and with GER in Part 5 it holds particularly true, as it counts as a "story breaker power". Its stated ability is essentially "anything you do has no effect", and saying that "this wouldn't be affected because [reason]" is insubstantial because that's the headcanon of the person currently discussing it. In presented canon, there was not anything that "wouldn't be affected". The only exception in shown material (which is not exactly canon) is World over Heaven. It all depends on the person currently telling the story, and if they want to say "GER's powers don't work on X because Y", then it won't work, or in the opposite case, the storyteller will say "yes, GER's powers work on literally anything including other story breaker powers because [reason]". Arguing it with concepts such as "number of dimensions", "4D abilities" and "multiversal" vs "universal" is just pedantry that people who are way too invested into fanfiction dwell into. Analysing concepts of a story are cool, doing "can X defeat Y" is silly when you state it to be subjective and downright embarrassing when you're trying to make it an objective statement.

[@bruh5_4.]

I still think ger is an overall better a better combate stand as ger has more match-up advantages and higher match-up advantages angest most stands for example starplatuim can still lose to other stands ger will have a better high Cance of beating commen stands like super fly death 13 bug eaten ect... so if your fighting a random stand user and you could pick between starplatuim and ger ger will be the better choice even if it's weeker in power scaling than starplatuim it has a higher chance of winning more stands starplatuim does.

[@temporary_error_3264]

It is.

[@astro6607]

Anyone know the song that starts at 03:00?

[@necrofrozt]

Few things GER stats are none because they haven't been tested/used is in battle (like in part 3 where it would show question marks on unknown/new stands) and only GER (and the person getting folded) is aware of its power its an automatic stand Also I would assume GER also has similarities to sea moon and MIH with gravity control and being able to float mid air so it wouldn't be to far fetched to say he can see in stopped time and react once it's over Now GER vs Star platinum the range and abilitys ger has would overwhelm jotaro because while shooting beams from a far range away and flying and when those beams hit anything around jotaro turn into creatures that will attack him on command funny enough he wouldn't have time to focus of attacking GER and defending his main body from the animals he'd create also he can't attack those animals or he'd get rocked even if he used time stop we seen that against pucci and the rat in part 4 it can be worked around by thinking of your plan of attack with time stop in mind jotaro has lost multiple times because people put him in the position to use time stop and had an plan of attack once it's over and he doesn't have time to react and gio is definitely smart enough to come up with that same plan he basically gets trapped in a double win tic tac toe strat if he doesn't use time stop gg if he does delays the inevitable then gg Once GER gets one single hit he's able to use revert to zero so just like when diavolo got hit GER came down to beat him to near death KingC tried to use the ability it got reverted then he beat him and used death loop so once jotaro gets hit no more time stop he'd lose instantly GER knows it didn't have the physical power advantage so it used range and high grown until it knew it won Alright think I covered everything I'm not going back to read all that so just comment any questions or concerns 👍🏾 Tldr GER wins against Star platinum and its not even close

[@TheVeganStudent_]

Your comment is a big nothing burger as you didn’t cover the single most important thing, speed. This is all meaningless as Star Platinum is easily multiple layers faster than GER and GER would never get the chance to use anything because GER is just too slow for Star Platinum.

[@necrofrozt]

@@TheVeganStudent_ when GER did attack diavolo said it was to fast for him to see he get a massive speed boost as well which would put him real close to star platinum

[@TheVeganStudent_]

@@necrofrozt so let me get this straight you believe Diavolo is close in speed to Jotaro?

[@necrofrozt]

@@TheVeganStudent_ no but based on feats we can estimate CrazyD (A speed) is faster than KillerQ (B speed) Kria could see the attacks but was to slow to do anything StarP has an A but we know he's faster than CrazyD so StarP is A+ or an S goldenE and kingC have an A in speed so with this knowledge the only other person couldnt see attacks from someone else is Kira vs jotaro so we know the speed gap is 2 grades higher for hits to even register and I'm fine with low balling this so I'll put kingC at a A- even a B+ would put GER on par if not Faster than StarP, SilverC is around A or slightly higher with CrazyD Hopefully this isn't to confusing 😂

[@TheVeganStudent_]

@@necrofrozt You say no but then proceed to contradict yourself here, as the only way to have even gotten to the assumption that GER is faster than Star Platinum is to say that Diavolo is close in speed to Star Platinum something which you just said you weren't saying, funny.

[@hyperburno7310]

Ay didn't that gober gobet guy try arguing that Sp has fate manipulation?

[@thedarkesper5290]

SCR has this funny thing where, if you remove the arrow from its grip, it loses the Requiem effect. GER's ability specifically stops attacks, and has the arrow just... Sittin' on its face. Removing the arrow, something not inherently part of GER, wouldn't be an attack. Therefore, you could make a good case that Star Platinum/The World could pluck the arrow off of GER to turn the fight into "Star Platinum/The World Requiem vs. Golden Experience". This assumes that GER works like SCR when the arrow is removed. I'd say it'd make sense that it'd have a similar weakness to the only other Requiem in the series, but there's admittedly no hard evidence that that'd be the case due to how little we actually see of GER.

[@lightsofdeath5590]

did the arrow not go in its arm? and the arrow stops other stands from taking it plus even if the arrow is in its head that would be ripping it out of its head which would be an attack since it damages giorno scr was only easy cause it was something scr had to HOLD in its HAND

[@thedarkesper5290]

@@lightsofdeath5590 The arrow did go into the arm of GE. It then caused the entire Stand to enter a metamorphosis, after which the arrow, at least in terms of design, seemingly migrated to its face. Assuming that the arrow is still considered distinct from the Stand like the only other Requiem in the series, as the original comment said, we could reasonably conclude that taking off the arrow wouldn't be an attack. It's removing an equipped item. GER is somewhat autonomous, which itself could mean it doesn't share damage with Giorno, and its described as protecting Giorno. Take that literally and you've got a potential hole in its coverage- and even if we assume it defends itself with equal fervor, if you take out the arrow as your only action against it, and that counts as an attack, it wouldn't be able to counter with an ability it no longer has. Also, the arrow doesn't stop Stands from taking it- that was SCR's ability. GER's ability is never shown being able to do that.

[@user-kx7ip1tp7w]

Except the reason you could revert chariot Requiem to its base form of SC Was likely because it wasn't fully complete and hadnt integrated the arrow fulyy. And both the whole GER can only rtz attacks and ripping away the arrow would be an easy feet and somehow not considered an attack are baseless and quite frankly stupid assumptions.

[@alexanderwidmar2850]

38:33 LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@VictorIV0310]

ALLMIND is for all mercenaries.

[@TNT69420]

AYYY, IT’S THE THREE JOJO DUDES!!! 🫵🏻🤡

[@saphcal]

i wish there was someone like Hamon Beat for Dragon Ball. Toriyama likewise has a notorious reputation (esp in english speaking fandom) for being forgetful/having forgot things that he didn't.

[@typeouetco1626]

the difference is that he did.

[@saphcal]

@@typeouetco1626 he didn't thats my point. its a fact he didnt and i wish there was someone like Hamon Beat who could put out popular videos showing it to the fanbase, because people like you are too damn common. Toriyama forgot is a meme, just like Araki forgot.

[@typeouetco1626]

@@saphcal bro forgot about vegeto and trunks hair color and confirmed it. Cry

[@saphcal]

@@typeouetco1626 no he didnt lol Vegetto's hair is black like all saiyans. He never forgot Trunk's hair color either, its always been intended to be the same as his moms. The anime isn't canon, its mistakes are not Toriyama's. None of this was ever "confirmed". Thank you for being exactly the type of person that is the reason I want a "Hamon Beat" style youtuber for debunking all this made up BS about Toriyama. ironically one of the only things Toriyama EVER confirmed he forgot, was Lunch, but if you do your research, you can see he was actually *wrong* when he said that, and never forgot her either.

[@typeouetco1626]

@@saphcal these were 2 different statement. 1. he forgot about vegeto (literally confirmed it) 2. he forgot about trunks hair color (there are manga covers). Cry.

[@Ciythed_2]

Based on the title. CAP I would like to retract my previous statement. I'm convinced.

[@SuperDababy2]

bro actually listened to the rot

[@error-4269]

Saying GER is weak is asinine it completely disregards the narrative behind it. It is ether top 1 or top 3 of what most of the fandom would consider canon. Jobber is just a D 1 hater.

[@TheVeganStudent_]

GER really only defeated Diavolo, who at the time was seen as close to impossible to defeat. Its ability was the only thing that made it look overpowered forgetting, that this was only faster than Diavolo.

[@error-4269]

@@TheVeganStudent_ ?

[@lefishe286]

Made in heaven for one is stronger than ger.

[@error-4269]

@@lefishe286 debatable.

[@TheVeganStudent_]

@@error-4269 how so?

[@Haydz_Benz]

I’ve been saying for years that king crimson only erases perception of time. My opinion, it’s the only way his abilities make sense.

[@ihaetschool3361]

in the risotto fight, aerosmith's bullets literally phase right through him in erased time

[@FatherLucid]

Would you like to debate or at least discuss this on Discord? I believe I could be able to change your mind on this

[@SuperDababy2]

@@ihaetschool3361 yeah this guy is only half right, he doesn't erase time but he does erase himself in a way. He erases perception and his presence, but not time itself.

[@ihaetschool3361]

@@SuperDababy2 it's been said by literally everyone that he erases time

[@WoahItsKris]

didn't araki confirm it actually erased time?

[@nthhhh262]

poisen frong go burrrrrrrrrrr

[@Henrick_the_weeb]

My whole life is a lie…

[@juanhaines7295]

Would you do hamon vs stands vs spin please?

[@jinxmybeloved6930]

@@cyrus8886 1-tusk is not "stand+spin" it's "stand (spin)" just like how hermit purple is "stand (hamon" not "stand+hamon" 2-if a person had stand+spin/hamon like you said they would be broken as fuck 3-hamon probably has similar powers to spin (maybe except infinity) hamon is not just elaborated enough like spin is

[@Zetact_]

The whole thing about "it's said to be the strongest" strikes me as a convention of Japanese writing where it seems even if they make that sort of statement it's generally something they're using as hyperbole. You can see the phrase "strongest" thrown around in in-universe statements, guides or marketing and it doesn't matter if it's directly contradicted. Even historically, there's cases where, as an example, if you look at the claims like multiple people being said to be "the strongest swordsman of the Shinsengumi" or "the strongest general of the Sengoku era."

[@Asmokedetector]

As we see from Diavalos premonition, GER is still slower than KC after a timeskip.

[@FatherLucid]

What?

[@Asmokedetector]

@@FatherLucid Diavalo predicts that after his timeskip, he is still faster than GER and donuts Giorno, GER tells Diavalo that his premonition is true but that he will never reach it, meaning without GERs ability Diavalo would still have the raw speed advantage.

[@SuperDababy2]

@@Asmokedetector That doesn't mean that GER is slower, that means that it's just not so much faster that it can react to a random time skip (something SC couldn't even do without the blood).

[@Asmokedetector]

@@SuperDababy2 that means it isn't super fast. It's still relative to chariot fully armored

[@FatherLucid]

@@Asmokedetector you are misinterpreting the manga/anime. Diavolo’s combat character is to go behind his enemies back after Time Erase. Giorno can’t know where he is at, therefore Diavolo can easily just catch Giorno off-guard. That doesn’t make him slower at all