Golden Knights, Mark Stone bending NHL Salary Cap rules AGAIN?

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Mark Stone returned to practice eight days before the playoffs, exactly the same number as last year when he went on to play in Game 1 of the playoffs and help lead the Golden Knights to a Stanley Cup.
Original piece: sinbin.vegas/unsavory-but-not...
Considering what Vegas did last season and were able to do at the deadline due to his absence, it’s understandable that the hockey world is quite skeptical about Stone’s situation.
Much of what is being said about it is simply ignorant, especially those suggesting the injury was fictional. However, that’s not to say there isn’t a valid gripe from those questioning the legitimacy of what the Golden Knights are doing.
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[@blastomanto5687]

What the fuck is the point of a salary cap if doesn’t even exist in the playoffs.

[@rizzorizzo2311]

👆🏻 100% this. It’s fuckin dumb if you’re going to let teams circumvent it. Still, fuck Dallas 😁

[@gadflyeducator]

The NHL can adopt a rule similar to MLB in that a player must be on your active roster by a certain deadline if you want that player to be eligible for the postseason. That would so a lot to curb this kind of manipulation.

[@DiogenesTheCynic.]

The NHL already has that, its called the trade deadline.

[@gadflyeducator]

@@DiogenesTheCynic. active roster. Mark Store was not on the active roster at the trade deadline.

[@lanevalhalla9344]

I don’t think you understand the MLB rule.

[@craigsunkle3474]

Chicago did this exact same thing at the end of the 2015 season with Patrick Kane.

[@fredleinweber2819]

No, it was not the same because we gave up big draft capital in order to get Antoine Vermette. Vegas went and got THREE solid pieces.

[@purewrestlingfansite]

Last year In the Playoffs VGK never once went over the cap with any line ups they iced

[@TheCrazyCanuck420]

They have had years to plug the hole in the rules. When Tampa Bay did this a few years ago, I assumed the NHL would just extend the salary cap into the post-season. It beats the alternative, which is if you are too hurt to play in the season, then you must be too hurt to play in the playoffs. Wait until some pissed off team gets their revenge against this by sending out a goon to put them back on LTIR.

[@RK-fh4bp]

Other teams may be using the LTIR to their benefit, but I don’t know of other teams that have their guy return for game 1 of the playoffs. The Avalanche are a good example of how the LTIR should be used. Landeskog has been hurt for 2 years and might be able to return during the playoffs. So with that knowledge they used his cap space to improve the team in his absence…but it doesn’t feel unsavory because it’s not like landeskog is returning for game 1, if he even returns at all

[@lousyracuse]

It is NOT just Vegas taking advantage of this loophole, many teams are doing this. Tampa Bay won a title hiding one of their best players on LTIR, only to see them "magically" healed for the playoffs. Colorado keeps doing this with Landeskog in hopes he will be able to play in the playoffs. Vegas took it to a new level this year, and hopefully the NHL is taking notice. As a fan of the NHL, this has to change IMHO. Teams should go to the playoffs with the players who got you there!

[@vomitkermit3446]

No, Landeskog is legit hurt. He hasnt played since the 2022 cup run. Makar the year before sliced open Landeskog’s knee with his skate. After they won the cup he decided to get the surgery, which went bad which is why he was MIA the 22-23 season and had it done again before the 23-24 season. This time however it went better. They have always been open that Landeskog might make it into the playoffs since January. If the intent was to skirt the rule, announcing it to the world is not a good idea.

[@bigrobfff2398]

Im sure you sharks fans like your guy making VGK videos.. This man addicted to the 702 !!

[@Rockin_Ross]

If it’s “unsavory but not illegal”, then it’ll keep happening until it’s unsavory AND illegal.

[@Raphael_Slowik]

Dude, the argument of „technically not illegal“ and any team may utilize the LTIR for the postseason fails at the point where most of the injuries are not exactly predictable and therefore an acquisition at the deadline is too risky - hence your medical department works in line with the managements interests. And three times in a row makes it utterly unbelievable that MS returns in time by coincidence. Its a joke to call it „Ok“. Vegas will play with a team worth 105 M$!

[@jacklongley5932]

As a preds fan I support it. Vegas is doing what’s winning and that’s not cheating it’s being smarter than the system. Until it’s illegal or the salary cap is made to matter in the post season I see no issue.

[@dreamernator]

I agree. Change the rules and then we'll have a different conversation.

[@rizzorizzo2311]

Also a preds fan but I take a slightly different opinion. I get the loophole exists but they absolutely deserve the criticism for abusing it. They shouldn’t face any sanctions, obviously, but that don’t mean they shouldn’t get shit for it.

[@ronweasley4767]

I think we should all be a little more honest here, considering the generous entry draft Vegas had I don’t blame people who criticize Vegas for this. I feel the same way about Tampa so it’s pretty fair.

[@FernandoAR760]

If its not against the rules its not cheating

[@shawnfreeman7829]

Lightning did it for years ago

[@blastomanto5687]

I know they did I was pissed off at them too while Dallas has had half their lineup injured in the Stanley Cup Final this shit needs to get fixed.

[@ChrisWienberg]

Might as well go back to the days of 15 year contracts where teams pay the player only one million per for the last five years.

[@jayscott1380]

I disagree with just saying it's "unsavory", I'd say it "appears unsavory". Also, it's disingenuous to say "they've done this 3 straight years", without looking at the details of each year. The first year they missed the playoffs. So last year they obviously still thought they should play the LTIR shell game again even though it failed miserably the year prior, so they "loaded up" at the deadline with Stone out. But in what world is adding 2, 2 mil dollar forwards (Blueger and Barbashev) and an aging goalie (Quick, who didn't even sniff a playoff appearance) considered "loading up". I'd say they added some "depth". This year they have indeed "loaded up", but they are barely squeaking into the playoffs and I'd say let's see what happens before you decide it's "unsavory" or "stupid". Usually throwing guys together with very little time together doesn't work regardless of how good they are, compounded by getting injured guys back that haven't played in months.

[@zeromaz6618]

I'm a VGK fan and absolutely agree the LTIR / playoff stuff needs to get fixed

[@Penny-fg4rg]

What needs to be fixed regarding VEGAS??? Stone was hurt in action both times. For the sake of discussion, should he have come back with 2 games left? They had an expectation for his return. Do you think Bettman is the godfather to his children? Wake up and worry about the floppers who fake penalties. They barely made the playoffs and if you think Stoney said let me sit out and I hope we make the playoffs. Let me guess. you're a 25-35 year old. and we should abolish the police. WAKE UP!!!!!

[@vomitkermit3446]

Either implement the cap in the playoffs, or whoever the team you had on the 82nd game is the team you play with in the post season, unless there is a legit injury during the post season requiring a substitution.

[@moonglow630]

This needs to be dealt with in the off season.

[@umaga61923]

Not sure where to find all the rules regarding injured reserve for the NHL but having an injured reserve list for players that have minor injuries and another for major injuries would fix it. LTIR, the cap doesn't count but the player can't come back this year (allows teams to still make trades at the deadline cause their player tore their acl) and Short Term IR where the cap still counts and the player can come back. Vegas wouldn't have put Stone on LTIR which means they wouldn't have had the cap to get Hanifin, Mantha, and Hertl

[@wskeyson3382]

You know, I know and everybody knows that nobody would be bitching if it was any other team than Vegas!

[@joeford5181]

Isn't it ironic that it was The Tampa Bay Lightning who exposed the flaw against The Black Hawks, and now everyone is bitching about it...

[@Nanay-hl9cp]

Wait, it makes no sense to have a salary cap in the play-offs because there are no salaries in the play-offs. Chicago and Tampa Bay, among other teams, have taken advantage of LTIR so Vegas shouldn't be singled out. I say keep the rule exactly as it is.

[@babyyoda6549]

Its one thing if it happened one year, but this has been happening for three years in a row with Vegas

[@meddyven]

Agree, Brodie, this is a very unsavory manipulative move, but which the NHL left themselves wide open to.

[@ShawnTempesta]

I think you are ignoring the healing properties of mid-April.

[@brodiebrazil]

in that case you and i should both be triathlon ready! 🤣

[@brittonkennedy7070]

As an Avs fan this is so frustrating. Landeskog actually has an injury, that’s what the rules is for. Not for people like Stone. Cheaters in my book

[@donaldcampbell9483]

Yeah he faked his spleen injury😂😂 You probably think Joe is a good president as well lmao

[@JoshGinter]

See it's when you venture into nonsense that your decent point gets lost. Landeskog has a much more long-term injury. That is one of the situations that LTIR was designed to fix. But that doesn't mean Stone doesn't have a real injury. Dude lacerated his spleen on the ice. That is a very serious injury. It's just not one that takes 6+ months to heal. The fact that it happened at the exact time it happened is extraordinarily convenient. And the timing being such an important factor is unfair. If a guy suffers and 8 week injury any month but February... their team is way more seriously hampered than the Golden Knights have been. And that sucks.

[@Penny-fg4rg]

How about the druggie that just came back? Cleab your team first.

[@jomo-sl7tl]

Laughable reasoning. Vegas beats you and now you're a doctor and have seen his MRI???

[@swoee6120]

@@donaldcampbell9483did not fake but definitely played it off worse than it was from what we see now

[@PierAlexandreLemay]

I agree with you for the most part except the fact that you are pointing the finger at Vegas which seems to be about bad blood for the A 's. Vegas didn't invent this. Just look at Tampa and Kucherov. He even had a T-shirt made to troll the other teams after winning the cup...

[@draneym2003]

The same guy just happening to get injured for just long enough at just the right time three years in a row is bordering on Powerball jackpot probability levels. I mean, at least they admit it. Their fans should do the same. You're the Astros of the NHL. If that's how you want to win, it's pretty pathetic.

[@VGK2017]

They were losing games when he got hurt and struggled to make the playoffs so yeah let’s sit out our second best player on purpose lol.

[@kwaty]

Really great step by step breakdown. We all know how they cheat. The house always wins. Where’s the house? Viva la sports betting NHL!

[@YouTubeChannell7]

A lacerated spline isn’t an injury that most come back from in a 2 month span, it is a 3-6 month minimum time frame, that’s why I believe everyone is skeptical about the whole situation. I do believe something needs to be done because yes being $10+ million over the cap in playoffs is a very unfair advantage u are forced to play cap compliant during regular season why aren’t teams being kept in check come playoffs, say maybe allow teams to go over cap by $5 million only in playoffs and come up with some other things teams need to be compliant about

[@jomo-sl7tl]

So now you are also an internal medicine doctor? Spleen lacerations heal at different rates according to a myriad of factors including injury severity and overall patient age and physical health. In general, professional athletes heal faster than us civilians likely due to genetics and superior conditioning and strength. Your medical argument is both unfair and flawed.

[@YouTubeChannell7]

@@jomo-sl7tl I never claimed to be any sort of doctor where did u pick that notion up in what I said? I just did a lil research and asked a family member who is currently studying medicine what they thought and thus put together my statement, I spoke in a general sense not specifying athlete or Average Joe…Thanks🙂

[@jlo2o199]

Sweet. Hockey talk.

[@ronfehr7899]

How will things work out next season? If Stone is back on the roster, how can Vegas afford to keep the players acquired at this year's trade deadline? I assume that these things will be worked out after the playoffs, bit I was just wondering.

[@denith969]

Martinez is expiring and won't be back, Hanifin is his replacement. And then either Roy, Dorofeyev, Stephenson or Marche one or multiple will not be back. I was surprised they locked up Hanifin before Marche tho. I'd want them to keep Doro, Marche, Stephenson but ideally at least one won't be a Knight next season and most likely Stephenson since he's due a big raise.

[@Mikegritz]

I'm calling out your BIAS. Is your issue just with the one Vegas team? Or with the 10 teams in the playoffs that are over the cap?

[@coffizzle]

Just pro-rate the remaining salary in the season. If 1/3 of the season is left when the player is put on LTIR, then 2/3 of the salary that counts towards the cap will then still count towards the salary cap.

[@JoshGinter]

This is sort of how the cap already works. It's just not talked about in those terms. Everyday of the NHL regular season has a salary cap. And a team must be under it each day. When a team adds someone at the deadline they need to be able to fit that player's salary under the cap only for the the last 8 weeks of the season. When a team is under the cap without LTIR, they actually "accrue" additional cap space that they can use to add a player that is "more expensive" than their daily cap space would imply. Vegas did this 4 seasons ago I think where they were constantly sending Nic Roy, Cody Glass, and Keegan Kolesar back and forth to the AHL on days where they didn't play to accrue extra daily cap space that they wanted to use to potentially acquire someone at the deadline.

[@babyyoda6549]

This is ruining the game and just when I had hopes about my team, trying to win it all I find out this news that Mark Stone magically recovered from injury for the first game of the playoffs, that’s what three years in a row now

[@carparthero]

i don't like or hate VGK (the organization). i def admire their american-style, ruthless risk-taking with their roster construction. their fanbase at times are a bit delusional and self-absorbed. a lot of fanbases hate VGK, understandable. yet most teams and fanbases are not willing to see picks, prospects and bold moves made to win a stanley cup when the chance comes up. alert to all "hockey fans" lol: all the teams play under the same rules. quit bellyaching about a salary cap rule that the your team of choice plays under, and was one of 30 teams that voted to keep the current cap rules back in 2015.... unlike TBL and STL who actually petitioned to get LTIR changed back in 2015, and was told, NO. at this time there is no inclination for the nhl BoG to change LTIR, because there's enough gm's that know that they could be high and dry with injuries at any given time. cheers 🍻

[@DiogenesTheCynic.]

Absolutely this.

[@draneym2003]

It's not really risk taking when the league takes the risk out of the equation.

[@RK-fh4bp]

The golden knights are like a car salesman that is selling an old lady an extended warranty that she doesn’t need. Not technically illegal, but certainly not ethical and we all find it slimy

[@vaughnjohnson5484]

You wanna know what is “savory”? All the salt. 😂

[@brodiebrazil]

the salt... from... a hometown vegas media outlet...?

[@Tortuga89R]

Gone were the days of any honor and morals! It's a bit like taking sick days when you aren't sick. Do it too often and one may be fired. Not technically against the rules though is it? See the comparison?

[@Royal-le1ib]

VGKs have a goalie problem. Brosuaw in Winnipeg outstanding. Quick in New York outstanding. The 3 amigos that share time in the net for Vegas are average at best

[@JohnnyReno71]

It’s a joke teams are aloud to do this ( Tampa did it) but until the league decides to change the rules it’s going to happen.

[@Tampafan33]

The lightning are always trashed for doing it one damn time when kucherov had damn double hip surgery. He was able to get back to the playoffs and still was labored some. Yet Vegas does it every damn year. And by major amounts of money. MAKE A DAMN RULE FOR THIS

[@DiogenesTheCynic.]

Define every year, its only happened twice. And before you say 3, no, the first time he came back in the regular season and that was the year VGK missed the playoffs.

[@bartphlegar8212]

Yep. Stone will be back for Game 1, and he'll be laughing in the first frame of the TV coverage...Look, I don't care about the load management part of this. Skirting the cap is a different animal though, and this is totally on the league. VGK has been the cardshark in the casino ever since it took the first faceoff. Ironic that it happens in Vegas, a town full of cardsharks who get banished, and once upon a time got their knuckles mulched with a sap by bouncers. Counting cards is not illegal (unless of course it's done with counters and other mechanical or audio/visual aids) but it is completely unethical and eventually gets dealt with by the offended party. But this is an entirely fixable loophole if the league would grow a pair and close it. Why should the salary cap be different in post-season than during the regular season, let alone not even exist? I also don't care about whether or not Stone was actually hurt or not. He could take a vacation in Bimini for all I care. I don't want to know his personal medical business or any of that. But the fact that they can juice the team with rental talent and practice them in his absence is shady at best. Do I blame VGK for "breaking the rules"? No. Of course, not. They merely exploited the rules. Do I blame them for being unsportsmanlike? Yeah, I do. But then again in this win at any cost environment, this is small fry in the world of pro sports. They ain't the New England Patriots...

[@arthurau9231]

This makes no sense why is there a salary cap during the regular season but no salary cap during the playoffs? What would happen and how much would the playoffs be affected if there was a salary cap during the playoffs as well?

[@vincentcocca2020]

There is no salary cap because the salary is only good for the regular season only

[@hockeyfan7100]

There's no salary cap during the playoffs because there's no salary during the playoffs. Why don't people understand that?

[@arthurau9231]

Bush league as players should be paid during the playoffs as well.

[@arthurau9231]

@@vincentcocca2020 Bush league as players should be paid during the playoffs as well.

[@MrZachtheKingsfan]

@@arthurau9231That’s something the PA would never agree to. Playoffs aren’t guaranteed. Look at Buffalo, you think their players are going to be okay missing out on an additional month or two of salary?

[@brymtb]

...nope...next question 😂😂😂

[@jinkim917]

This is a joke because NHL needs to fix this loophole. So long as theres this loophole, it is what it is.

[@topgun9666]

Every single team in the league can do the same thing. They don't.

[@TheCrazyCanuck420]

There are a few examples of other teams doing this unfortunately.

[@franklindcottrell]

Yeah, thats called integrity. When teams like vgk do this it causes rule changes.

[@DiogenesTheCynic.]

5:15 Mark Stone came back during the regular season the first time he was LTIR'd. People refuse to acknowledge this in their grifts. There are also 17 teams above the cap, and many fans upset about VGK... are fans of those teams.

[@jomo-sl7tl]

You caught us. Kelly "McCriminal's" evil master plan was sit out our CAPTAIN and one of the best two-way defensive forwards in the NHL to trade for two decent players and an injured one whose medical timeline was undetermined. That way we could barely make the playoffs and have to play a Western Conference Top Seed... or if we're lucky, Edmonton. And to lead the charge against those juggernauts, we'll pull some "unsavory" "shenanigans" by activating Stone who hasn't played in 8+ weeks. Playoff hockey against Conference leading teams seems like a really smart way to help a player get back into the game. Last year, teams targeted Stone and hit him repeatedly in the back... it took him two rounds to start playing decently. And now both our likely opponents will want blood. Yeah, this is absolutely genius. Losing a spleen because Benn and Kane are among the dirtiest players in the NHL seems like the dream scenario for Stone to end his career. Do any of the haters have even a clue about pro hockey and professional athletes? This conspiracy theory should be left where it belongs... in politics! Next you guys will be posting that Eichel never had a neck injury and conspired with the Vegas cheaters to get on a better team so they could win the Stanley Cup...

[@tygher]

Interesting take. So why did they trade for Herdl then? In fact they knew he only had a two-week window to be able to play. As to why … high-risk, high reward. Isn’t that the gambler’s way?

[@robhart4601]

Brodie, I haven't seen anyone else mention the fact that EVERY NHL playoff team exceeds the "Salary Cap". After the NHL trade deadline, the maximum roster size of 23 active players is eliminated and thus allows an unlimited number of players on the active roster. Until the playoffs start though, they must still stay under the salary cap for the active roster. Now, once playoffs start, every NHL team recalls their top backup players from the minor leagues to start practicing with the starters to prepare them for next man up situations, thus activating 30+ players total or more is common practice easily raising their active player salaries an additional 5 to 8 million (theoretically of course since there is no paid salary during the playoffs). Since the CAP is calculated using activated players on the roster not just the 20 players that skate during a game, I don't see a single playoff team that doesn't exceed the CAP. For those that don't know, playoff teams are paid a lump sum the further they make it into the playoffs. The more they win the more money they make (although the dollar amount may be peanuts compared to their seasonal salaries.)

[@trismaster]

VGK living in this jabroni’s mind rent free.

[@sincityraiders7075]

100% accurate, lol.

[@donnybrook5671]

Best thing that could happen is Vegas wins another Cup this year. That would bring many win-win situations. 1) Vegas is happy. 2) Hertl wins a Cup(some Sharks fans would be happy for Tomas) 3) With so much backlash from bitter hockey fans in Canada and US there would be an emergency meeting to fix the LTIR rule. Problem solved. 4) Vegas would be happy(oops, said that already)😊

[@kartzstormstool861]

will not change for 2 years when the next CBA negotiations occur.

[@traci635]

Until the NHL fixes it, teams will take advantage of it

[@adamlee007]

Wow they all recovered!!! Its a miracle!!!!

[@DiogenesTheCynic.]

Hertl was going to play the regular season from the start. Who are these "all" you speak of?

[@rickbold9337]

I hope Dallas takes them out in the first round!

[@moonglow630]

they get a fresh, well rested player, and VGK gets to load up the roster with players like our beloved Hertl, who would've been off the table with Stone on the roster.

[@agarber1932]

So glad Dallas Beat the Vegas Cap Cheats.

[@R0GUE_HITMAN]

Why not add a limit to salary cap in the payoffs. Example: regular season 80 mil, post season 85 or 87.5 mil. So LTIR for genuine injuries and non-cap circumvention can still be used; but also limit how much money can be on the books for postseason. Just a thought-not sure how well it could work in practice or the exact numbers

[@maxrcrypto]

Just because they're following the rules doesn't mean the rules shouldn't be changed

[@DiogenesTheCynic.]

Exactly, but the people the wrote those rules, before VGK ever sat at the table, want it that way until they no longer benefit. And according to Capfriendly, 17 teams are currently over the cap. It won't change for a long time.

[@LinsteadDM]

Two solutions 1. make the cap enforceable in the playoffs OR 2. if you are LTIR in game 82 you cannot appear in the first round of the playoffs. That stops the abuse. And yes the VGK are not the only ones but they are the current worst.

[@DiogenesTheCynic.]

Neither are solutions, because the GMs don't want a "solution".

[@tygher]

Here part of a quote for those thinking it doesn’t matter if it’s technically not cheating. Regarding 2013 … “cap-circumventing contracts of the last several years, which violated the spirit of the salary cap”. You see there’s this thing called the “spirit of the salary cap.” So, if this many hockey professionals question it, how can anyone say the spirit of the rules have not been broken?

[@moonglow630]

Hertl in that vomit mustard yellow looks abhorrent.

[@Penny-fg4rg]

The Knights just qualified for the playoffs. They suffered through a horrible losing streak 3 weeks ago and righted the ship. They dug in and now they will put their skates on the throats of the rest of the league. There are a lot of teams with 1 or 2 great players but VEGAS has BY FAR the BEST TEAM!!! Out of the 16 playoff teams, they have the 13th most points but yet, They are listed as the 6th betting favorites. My family is moving back to Vegas on the 23rd of this month. Just in time to witness the REPEAT!!!!! GO KNIGHTS!!!!! And for the host of this video, sign a complaint and march with the rest of the country. Vegas is TRUMP LIKE! They don't sit around and wait for someone to say everything is OK!!!

[@pdg3283]

There is nothing wrong with the LTIR structure in its current form.

[@christopherboyd3311]

Vegas isn't bending the rules. Stone was injured in action in the regular season. We all saw the hit. Spleen injuries like this take 8-10 weeks to heal. It's week 9.

[@swoee6120]

What they are doing is not cheating of course, but it’s definitely a sore loser kind of mentality. Can’t win without bending a rule.

[@vaughnjohnson5484]

I like how no one talks about how OP this is, until AFTER they’ve seen success. No one was picking VGK to win the cup at the start of last years playoffs. No one said, “WOW, stones coming back? VGK is getting the cup. What a bunch of cheaters”. No. They only said those things AFTER VGK won the cup. Same with the expansion draft. Everyone saw the roster, and they all predicted the team would suck. Then, AFTER they went all the way to the Stanley cup, everyone acted as the the knights were somehow gifted this god tier team. They’re just doing it better than your team does it.

[@brodiebrazil]

after it happens once... nbd... after it happens 3 straight years, with the same player... thennnnn i think people might notice. cup or not.

[@vaughnjohnson5484]

@@brodiebrazil no one was picking them to win the cup LAST YEAR lol. Its not like 2 years ago, people caught on, and thought it was an overpowered strategy. Last year, every single playoff series, the analysts were overwhelmingly picking the other team over VGK. If this was such an obnoxious advantage, why do they keep picking the other team? Only when they go all the way and win the cup is it suddenly a problem. It’s been the same story over and over again. No one takes them seriously, then they do well, and then come the excuses. It’s been this way since their inaugural season.

[@mikedavis7636]

There should be some kind of minimum games played to qualify to play for the playoffs. If Stone doesn't play a certain number of games in the regar season, he has to watch the playoffs fro. The press box.

[@Hogtownboy1]

It almost like the city set up for tax avoidance/ evasion realized how to bend the rules. LOL

[@Derekflewell]

The golden knights not long ago were in a fight to stay in the Wildcard race. If stone had returned when we was likely able to .... the Knights would have had to play a much reduced roster. This has absolutely tarnished the credibility of the league as a whole. Not to mention the team doctor that signed off that he remained injured. also its a pretty disgusting look on the stone. to willingly sit out as their team struggled the past few weeks is pretty pathetic. the whole thing is gross. Brodie is right. the NHL needs to adjust this rule and its so simple. The team needs to dress a cap compliant roster in the playoffs. there. solved.

[@kartzstormstool861]

well you can keep crying because it won't happen for 2 years when the next CBA talks begin.

[@jomo-sl7tl]

Circular logic. You pointed out yourself that Vegas was in a" fight" to even make the second wild card until very recently. So this means the Vegas "master plan" was to sit out their captain and one of the best two way defensive forwards in the league, for EIGHT+ weeks in order to disrupt team/line chemistry by inserting 3 totally new players (two average players and an INJURED A-level player)? NO ONE who knows anything about professional hockey and pro athletes would do this because... you said it yourself... it's not how you win games as evidenced by Vegas fighting for their lives to even make the playoffs... Stone's injury didn't help Vegas. It likely is a big reason why they might have to play the #1 Seed in the first round. And the second piece of their evil plan is to now throw Stone back into the lineup after not playing for 8+ weeks against Dallas or EDM??? If you recall, last year it took Stone two rounds to get his legs. Just close the loophole so we won't have to listen to this kind of ridiculous speculation about whether an injury is real. I suppose we can all wonder if Eichel really had a neck injury? He seemed perfectly fine when he returned. Perhaps he just faked it to get on a better team...

[@roadrunner4847]

Cheating is cheating

[@PokeMedros]

A player that is on ltir at the trade deadline, and still on ltir on the last game, shouldn’t be able to play for the first series. Either that or apply the salary cap for the playoffs based on the regular season salaries.

[@kartzstormstool861]

I'm sure that will be brought up at the next CBA negotiations in 2 years.

[@michaelbliss3071]

I have no respect for vegas and mark stone is a dirty little cheat

[@ionystherogue5627]

Unless they pay players in the playoffs,.then there is no fix. Owners won't want yo do that and what about the other teams that dont make the cut? Do they just get shafted? The real fix is a luxury tax system

[@kevinfrances1694]

Brodie the nhl allows this .if opposing players wouldn't injure him year after year then there would not be a story

[@handleforwhatyt]

golden cheats

[@hughjass1044]

I never fail to get a hearty chuckle out of the way some folks gripe and whine over this. My summer sport is racing and we have a saying - "If ya ain't cheatin', ya ain't tryin'!" As you say, there are lots of teams playing this game. The Knights are just a whole lot better at it than everyone else. They're trying.

[@draneym2003]

Yeah and how are NASCAR's ratings doing these days? Probably because people got tired of the same crap the Knights pull.

[@hughjass1044]

@@draneym2003 Well, I don't follow NASCAR too closely but I don't think they're doing all that badly actually. I wasn't referring to them specifically, but racing more generally because that's sorta been the mantra in racing since well, forever really. And try not to go through your whole life being a bitter baby. You're only making yourself miserable. We've all got our struggles so nobody's that concerned about yours.

[@richardzapata5030]

Why don’t players get paid in the off season? 🤔 asking for a friend …

[@reilific]

Faking injury for money, plain and simple. Hope that non-profit charity health organizations VGK are affiliated with point this out... Its sickening, and its not right. Period.

[@VGK2017]

How do you know he was faking? Did you see the medical reports or you just assuming like all the other whiners?

[@reilific]

Did you?? 2 years in a row Stone is good to go right on game 1? Vegas does a huge 10M in signings in that time Stone is 'week to week'. Its not right kid. Its blatant.

[@jacobcorn7758]

@@reilificHe had a lacerated spleen and the NHL monitors players on LTIR how the hell do you fake a spleen injury

[@VGK2017]

@@reilific doesn’t mean he was faking kid

[@VGK2017]

@@jacobcorn7758 he’s just assuming like most of the other haters that he’s faking lol

[@elibaumann9718]

I'm so tired of this. They gotta change the rule this offseason.

[@DiogenesTheCynic.]

not until the next CBA meeting, which will be post 2026 season.