Five WORST Sports Team Relocations

[@brodiebrazil]

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[@wongleebruce]

Brodie your right about San Diego even the AHL Gulls nearly sell out their games. It's a shame that the Chargers and Clippers left. The Pads have the city all to themselves.

[@905JimRaynor]

Generally speaking, great video. Vancouver is a shit hole... their economy is tanking hard.

[@jhi82]

Moving the Colts from Baltimore to Indianapolis in the middle of the night on March 28, 1984 has to be number 1 sneakiest move of all time.

[@kevinhover461]

Baltimore Colts…middle of the night, multiple tractor-trailers taking different routes to Indianapolis.

[@Scantronimus466]

As a Vegas resident, I hope the A’s relocation falls through.

[@SuperGalaxy]

What if it doesn’t?

[@Scantronimus466]

Then may God have mercy on us all…

[@713davidh42]

I don't think you have to worry about Salt Lake City or Sacramento A's. 🤫

[@timphares3061]

#RootedInOakland

[@IronSikh44]

Watching from Vancouver Brodie. Thanks for the shout out. NBA would thrive here. The original Grizzlies had incompetent management and missed on a lot of picks. Very first high pick Big Country Reeves was a bust. The team never got its legs under it. Basketball is huge in 🇨🇦. We should get another team and also in Seattle. Natural rivalry.

[@concertvids34]

There is a reason why outside of Hockey there are only pro teams in Ontario. Moving more teams to Canada would hurt US ratings for the NBA impacting their future negotiations. You also have the exchange rate as well. Even the NHL isn’t working to get a US team to Quebec city because of these factors and QC having an NHL ready arena.

[@AlexAcostaArt]

Another reason the Grizzlies left is that the NBA wouldn't let them or the Raptors have the #1 overall pick the first three years after they entered the league.

[@Ironcabbit]

Dean Spanos can eff all the way off.

[@Julian_Wallis]

The Chargers are the worst one by far. The Rams was probably the most despicable but at least LA would welcome the Rams. LA does not want the Chargers and their existence in LA is a disgrace. Spanos should be removed by the league.

[@tdvandy2]

@@Julian_Wallis Also St. Louis was awarded $800 million from a lawsuit; from the Rams and the NFL because of how all of this went down.

[@jsmusicanddrums]

Spanos is such a loser and no matter where the team is, it will always lose until they sell the team.

[@frosty.winnipeg]

Left out Minnesota North Stars owner was taken to court by one of his employees for sexual assault, it became a grudge move after that.

[@hornetfan10]

Norm Greed was not a good guy to those ladies.

[@joeschmoe8504]

Any hockey team from Canada or border states

[@dnasty312]

You mean Bob Irsay? That move wasn't his fault. Look up the name *Hyman Pressman.* That's who's responsible for the Colts' relocation to Indy.

[@danbratten3103]

The sexual harassment (it wasn't assault) was pathetic excuse. The Northstars were on life support by the time Norm Green arrived. The original owners almost folded the team in the late 70s because attendance dropped horribly. The merger with the Cleveland Barons saved the North Stars. In the late 80s attendance had fallen so bad (they were dead last in attendance in 89-90 season) and the Metropolitan Sports Commission, who owned the Met Center (they fleeced it from the original owners), wouldn't spend a penny on renovations. So the Gund Bros planned on moving them to San Jose, but Lou Nanne & the Blackhawks owner came up with a deal to keep the North Stars in MN. Thanks to the North Stars getting hot in the 2nd half of the 90-91 season AND a special season ticket promo for the remainder of that season and the next season where if you bought 2 season tickets you'd get a 3rd seat for free, attendance jumped. Again the Sports Commision wouldn't spend a penny on renovations for the Met. So Norm Green spent $20 million of his own money renovating the Met. The team stunk again and attendance plummeted again. The Target Center, T-WOLVES owners & the Sports Commision wouldn't help the North Stars with a move to Target Center. The deal was unworkable for the Northstars (Similar to how they didn't help the Winnipeg Jets move to Minneapolis a couple years later) and the Civic Center was a terrible arena for hockey. The real blame goes to the Sport Commision and the fair weather fans, who only showed up when the team was good. And there's proof of that in the FACTS that the T-Wolves almost move to New Orleans because the original owners went broke and the Minnesota Twins drawing less fans than the St. Paul Saints in the late 90s and almost being contracted.

[@707Southpaw]

The North Stars played in a converted barn......,

[@bsputnik]

I'm a Pens fan, the North Stars got hosed after that Cinderella Finals run in '91. Undoing the Seals/Barons-North Stars merger to create the Sharks was unfair. The Sharks owners should have just been given a full expansion team on their own.

[@cmbox1184]

Yet the Rams have no home field advantage in Los Angeles. St. Louis had a real passion for the Rams

[@Hogtownboy1]

@@cmbox1184 the local ratings for LA rams sports show dwarf the population of St Louis.

[@bankruptbastard3423]

Problem is, St. Louis stole the Rams out of SoCal in the first place when that evil shrew Georgia moved them to her native city. NFL owners rejected the move before they were blackmailed into voting for it.

[@skidawg22]

YES!! THANK YOU!!!

[@mjwbulich]

The Rams are fine as long as the 49ers aren't in town. Those games are a little embarrassing.

[@Liggie55821]

Look at the large crowd St. Louis gets for the UFL. It's a football city that's been treated badly by two different NFL ownerships.

[@bostonwarrior4824]

Winnipeg Jets to Arizona 😂 was also a bad one technically

[@TOTN17]

@@bostonwarrior4824 it was but at least Winnipeg has a team again

[@sdeepj]

Maybe it wasn’t a bad thing, Jets 2.0 has been more successful than both the original Jets and the Coyotes

[@intentionaloffside8934]

Emphasized by Winnipeg getting another team 15 years later, and ironically Arizona going to Utah.

[@michaelleroy9281]

​@@TOTN17It was 15 years before a team came back and only because of a move by the Atlanta Thrashers

[@billschipper1718]

I agree

[@bren727]

Always thought the NFL used the absence of a team in Los Angeles to allow several teams to leverage the threat to move to LA in getting new stadiums in their existing cities.

[@billschipper1718]

I absolutely agree with you. The Vikings, forty-niners, Colts, Seahawks and Cardinals all blackmail stadiums by threatening to move to Los Angeles

[@Scott-vk4jv]

Unfortunately. Glad the Rams are back home. Stan righted a major wrong.

[@TOTN17]

Since the Chargers were hellbent on leaving San Diego, they should have gone to Vegas while the Raiders should have gone back to LA as I think the Raiders are far more popular in LA then the Chargers

[@jsmusicanddrums]

Agreed or raiders to San Diego. La doesn't give a shit about the chargers. Ultimately though until spanos sells to the team they will always lose.

[@dnasty312]

The original *Winnipeg Jets* relocating to Phoenix was a mistake 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@fignuts14]

City of Seattle had the arena renovated in the mid-90's. So imagine the pushback and vitriol David Stern received a only a few years later over asking for another one.

[@ReactAsyIum]

The immediate aftermath of the Ravens becoming relevant and stable, winning the Super Bowl and the expansion Browns being what they were. Especially knowing they'd be gone before the season ended in 1995. (similar to the A's) I don't know. Probably not just an honorable mention imo. That really sucked for Browns fans

[@KevinQ25]

Cleveland can suck it.

[@StadiaDispatch]

Brodie, the problem with the Chargers is they did not operate in good faith to keep the team in San Diego. Myself and others had submitted stadium plans to keep the team in San Diego and we were given the run around by Mark Fabiani, who's Dean Spanos attorney. This is the same lawyer that got Clinton out of I did not have s*x with that woman. He's the master of the spin. The team has arguably had their sights set on LA since at least 2010. My stadium plan was the Phase 4 Convention Center Expansion & Stadium which expanded the convention center and built the stadium on the bayfront. Would have been great for conventions like Comic Con, that could have utilized that space.

[@Vichewy]

The fact that there's still people that believe that San Diego did not care about the Chargers is insane. It's like saying Oakland didn't care about the A's. nonononono, there's a difference between not supporting a team, and not supporting an owner

[@danbratten3103]

Brodie, love the video, but I have to fill you in on the North Stars. First, the Met wasn't a run-down arena during it era. In fact, the NHL did a poll asking the players which arena had the best ice. This poll was taken during the Stars first year in Dallas. The Met Center wasn't listed, and it still won the poll! Attendance was the main problem for the Northstars. After the first initial 5 years, attendance became a problem for the team. The original owners almost folded the team in the late 70s because attendance dropped so bad. Fans from St. Paul and it's suburbs abandoned the North Stars for 2 different versions of the WHA's St. Paul Fighting Saints team. The merger with the Cleveland Barons saved the North Stars. In the late 80s attendance had fallen so bad (they were dead last in attendance in 89-90 season) and the Metropolitan Sports Commission, who owned the Met Center (they fleeced it from the original owners), wouldn't spend a penny on renovations. So the Gund Bros planned on moving them to San Jose, but Lou Nanne (team president and a horrible GM) & the Blackhawks owner came up with a deal to keep the North Stars in MN. Thanks to the North Stars getting hot in the 2nd half of the 90-91 season AND a special season ticket promo for the remainder of that season and the next season where if you bought 2 season tickets you'd get a 3rd seat for free, attendance jumped. Again, the Sports Commision wouldn't spend a penny on renovations for the Met. So Norm Green spent $20 million of his own money renovating the Met two years before he moved them to Dallas. The team stunk again and attendance plummeted again. The Target Center, T-WOLVES owners & the Sports Commision wouldn't help the North Stars with a move to Target Center. It wasn't just Coke or Pepsi. It was also McDonald's vs. Burger King. The T-Wolves original owners originally owned the Target Center before they went broke; they said the Northstars would have to negotiate their sponser deals with the companies who sponsored the T-Wolves. It's kind of hard to negotiate a sponsorship deal when the company you are negotiating with knows you have to deal with them and not their competitors. The deal was unworkable for the Northstars (Similar to how they didn't help the Winnipeg Jets move to Minneapolis a couple years later and the Jets ended up in AZ) and the Civic Center in St. Paul (future site of the Xcel Center) was terrible for hockey. The real blame goes to the Minneapolis Sport Commision and the fair weather fans in the Twin Cities, who only showed up when the team was good. And there's proof of that in the facts that the T-Wolves almost moved to New Orleans because the original owners went broke and the Minnesota Twins, drawing fewer fans than the little independent St. Paul Saints baseball team in the late 90s, were almost contracted. That is how the so-called "State of Hockey" lost its NHL team to Texas.

[@jsarausad]

Long time Sonics fan here. Thank you for this video

[@JohnHillRSNStudios]

I would also add, even though I’m a Carolina Hurricanes fan, I would say moving the Hartford Whalers to Raleigh was a bad move because they could have worked with the city to build a new arena but the owners wanted to move the team to the booming Research Triangle Area instead.

[@HighpointerGeocacher]

The two Carolinas combined have a population of over 16 million which is about five times the population of Connecticut. Many people from Connecticut have relocated to the Raleigh-Durham area.

[@ChristopherX30]

I just can't see this as a bad move. This was actually a GREAT move!!

[@hornetfan10]

1000 percent wrong.. They tried for years to build something in Hartford did not get it down. Pretty sure Peter wanted to go to Columbus but it did not have a temp arena for him. Remember when the Pats used Hartford for a new stadium...

[@hornetfan10]

@@HighpointerGeocacher pretty sure the population is much greater within a 3 hour drive of Hartford

[@HighpointerGeocacher]

@@hornetfan10 NYC metro is within thre hours of Hartford, but NYC metro has three NHL teams. Also, Boston is about two hours from Hartford, but Boston has the Bruins. Thus, the Whalers were situated in a small state with no way to grow their fan base outside of their state. The Hurricanes are located as a the only team in two substantially more populous adjoining states (NC and SC), both states that are receiving many people moving from northern states and the Hurricanes are situated in a burgeoning metro area (Raleigh/Durham) noted as a particular haven for relocating northerners with many high-technology companies (Research Triangle Park).

[@ScottFoster-v4x]

For me Brodie the 1st was the California Golden seals left Oakland and moved to Cleveland, I feel in love with Hockey with the Seals even as bad as they Played, when the A's left it opened this wound again. Oakland deserves a Team. Always appreciate you Brodie keep up the great work, 100 thumbs up to you.

[@sdeepj]

Had the Seals not made that trade with the Habs, they might still be here today. They would have Guy LeFleur and he would have been the star player an expansion team needs.

[@mjwbulich]

Fun Fact: The Golden Seals after moving to Cleveland are the last in America's big four sports to disband. Technically, they merged with the Minnesota North Stars, but they weren't sold, and they never played another game. Hard to even imagine today but in 1978 a pro team could just close up shop.

[@EB-yx4fn]

Man, Oakland deserves good things yeah. I love what the Bs are up to, but the As are gonna sting for a long time :(

[@PHN-2024]

I am absolutely Stunned that Brodie didn't mention once the NHL's Former Coyotes moving to Utah.

[@dsarmy1]

Because the city they moved to actually makes sense. Even more sense than where they left. It was just crummy the way it had to happen because of inept ownership.

[@brodiebrazil]

my mistake. I also remain hopeful they will get taken care of the right way within the next 4-8 years

[@PHN-2024]

@@dsarmy1 But Brodie Loves to bring up all the Negativity related to the once NHL Coyotes Hockey franchise. He recently ripped into the former Coyotes Owner for wanting to build an Arena in RENO, NV for His AHL Hockey team and Other Events on Property He already owns because the Guy requested City/County Tax Credits on Future Revenue that the Development will generate.

[@v1__rotate]

Because, as stupid as it is, they technically didn't move. "Technically" being the key word. On paper, the Coyotes are an inactive franchise who transferred all their players and personnel to a new expansion team in Utah

[@PHN-2024]

@@v1__rotate At what point does the NHL Franchise known as the Coyotes cease to exist? 5, 10 or 20 years of Hibernation?

[@mactheknife7049]

Putting the Cleveland Browns and Brooklyn Dodgers in an "Honorable Mention" category in comparison to the Minnesota North Stars and Oakland A's is, for lack of a more gentle word coming to my mind at the moment, ridiculous. The Browns relocation was a gut punch that no one, even inside the ranks of NFL team ownership, saw coming; no one had any idea how bad a businessman (F)art Modell really was. The Dodgers relocation can be attributable to one, incredibly powerful, incredibly stubborn man named Robert Moses. Through various offices he held simultaneously, Moses wielded more power than NYC's mayor or even the state's Governor did when it came to matters of private or public development. Walter O'Malley put forth a plan to build a new stadium in Brooklyn, on the spot where the Nets arena sits today. Moses wouldn't even consider it, ultimately offering O'Malley one choice: move the team out of Brooklyn and into what became Shea Stadium, or go elsewhere. When Roz Wyman and the Los Angeles city council approached him with a deal he simply couldn't pass up? He and the team went west. By contrast, five years before they actually relocated the Minnesota North Stars were drowning in red ink; as you're aware, the San Jose Sharks owe their existence to how the NHL placated the Gunds and tried to keep a franchise in Minneapolis. The only problem was they turned that Minneapolis franchise over to Norm Green, who from day one began looking to move it himself. And the A's? Well, as much as I hate what has taken place there and sympathize with Oakland and its fans, they literally had more than a decade to reach some accommodation that would have kept the team there; and regardless of where you care to place the blame? The A's relocation won't have anywhere near the impact as the Browns and Dodgers moves did.

[@713davidh42]

There's a great video on KZbin entitled "Why the Dodgers Moved from Brooklyn to Los Angeles" which corresponds to what you stated. Robert Moses was car-centric jerk who would have covered New York City in freeways had he lived longer.

[@bankruptbastard3423]

The Sonics should never have left Seattle; however, OKC should have received the team from New Orleans. The Big Easy doesn't have enough well-off people who can support both the Saints and Pelicans. The only reason New Orleans still has an NBA team is because David Stern felt sorry for the city after Katrina.

[@michaelleroy9281]

After football season ends, the Pelicans are the only game in town

[@rkelly1999]

As a lifelong Dallas stars fan, I feel for north stars fans who lost their team, but their attendance figures had been sparse the years leading up to the move (until they made the final in ‘91) so I would say that move is justified, unlike the A’s move where Fisher artificially created apathy among the fans to drive down attendance figures, and the stars have been well taken care of here in Dallas

[@joetrujillo9371]

Great to see you making content Brodie. I worked with you during fantasy camp 2022 with the Athletics.

[@DuckOfRubber]

Making a deal with another city then packing and sneaking the team out of town in the middle of the night like a carny has to be top 5, right? I guess not.

[@michaelmurphy4387]

Remember the Baltimore Colts owner very well. Glad you remember.

[@davidlafleche1142]

The state passed legislation to steal the team from Irsay by eminent domain, so he escaped before they could do that.

[@dmarshall5148]

Passing a law to steal the team is worse.

[@3Dsjk]

@@davidlafleche1142Yup. The eminent domain claim likely wouldn’t have held up in court, but the team would have been tied up in court for years, and it would have been worse for the NFL than the Colts relocating.

[@chaosimproved]

How about the New Orleans Jazz moving to Utah where they don’t allow music?

[@gregvogel9859]

I would’ve said Winnipeg to Phoenix. They left a traditional hockey market to try and make it work in the desert and it was one disaster after another until Winnipeg got the thrashers and as we sit today the Jets are back and hockey has left Arizona.

[@fatmanchew909]

To be fair to the Rams they were not a good fit with Anaheim and having to be the little brothers to the LA Raiders gave them a much smaller market and having to share their stadium with the Angels didn't help. They're enjoying much more success in LA sharing an actual football stadium with the Chargers and watching the Raiders leave CA for LV made it even more profitable. Also to be fair we would rather have the Chargers than Plaschke in LA.

[@johnnyroberts3761]

Not every home game feels like a Rams home game, however. Same thing with the Chargers. It’s almost like LA football fans like rooting for whatever teams they’ve followed for a long time outside of the city.

[@jeffadventures1]

Dallas missed an opportunity not calling themselves the Lone Stars...

[@rocketking2589]

Dallas Lone Stars goes pretty hard!

[@troybaxter]

That's true, but the Stars work too. Regardless, the name heavily implies Texas.

[@northstarpokeshipper2148]

THANK YOU for including the North Stars. I wasn’t even North NEBULA Pokeshipper when the move happened (8 years before I was born), but I am STILL salty about the move, and STILL hate Norman Green.

[@HighpointerGeocacher]

The Dallas-Fort Worth metro area will soon surpass Chicago as the third-most populous metropolitan area in the USA. It definitely should have teams in all four major leagues.

[@northstarpokeshipper2148]

@ Yeah… but did they have to take OURS?! The move made the NHL stand for No Hometown Loyalty.

[@DuckOfRubber]

​@HighpointerGeocacher You won't hear anyone denying that, but did they really need to take the hockey team from Minnesota of all places? That would be like the Cowboys moving to Toronto (bigger than DFW) because they want a team.

[@Blackwolf454]

@@DuckOfRubber It's a moot point now. Dallas fans now still have to hear about this not your team and it's getting old. Let us enjoy the team please

[@Liggie55821]

Dallas should've been an expansion team instead of a relocation. BTW, I miss that North Stars logo. I remember there was talk of a Winter Classic or Stadium Series game in Minnesota versus Dallas, and somebody suggested Dallas wear North Star jerseys in that game. That would've been a great sight.

[@jaykaufman9782]

Minnesotan here. Minnesota high school hockey is huge. (Think Texas high school football.) And the Univ. of Minnesota Golden Gophers are iconic; coach Herb Brooks stands with Bud Grant and Tom Kelly as state deities. (Think Bear Bryant and Alabama.) At the same time the North Stars were playing in Minneapolis (actually the suburb of Bloomington) across the river the Minnesota Fighting Saints were the local franchise of the World Hockey Association -- and they were more successful than the North Stars, winning more and drawing comparable attendance, though costs were so high they team was always in financial trouble. The team were mostly native Minnesotans and this was part of their appeal; they practically used the Univ. of Minnesota Golden Gophers as a farm club. After the WHA-NHL merger, with the Edmonton Oilers, Winnipeg Jets, Quebec Nordiques, and New England/Hartford Whalers becoming NHL franchises, I always regretted the Saints weren't brought in. I still believe Minnesota could have supported two NHL franchises, especially as the Saints and Stars would have been natural rivals between Minneapolis and Saint Paul.

[@NRRenggli]

You summed it up. It always comes down to a narrow focused version of shorter term greed at the cost of long term market dominance. Most franchise owners don’t have the leadership chops to synergies all facets of their business. Their egos get into a spitting match with government because they aren’t good enough businessmen to grow with private money 💰And as such, they prove they don’t even understand how their customers are part of their business…

[@JohnHillRSNStudios]

I would say the original Charlotte Hornets move to New Orleans was a bad one because you took a team that was in a very hot market with a passionate fan base and move them to a city that hasn’t really been as passionate about them as their previous city was for the team.

[@kjorlaug1]

Had Vancouver not requested Memphis first, the Hornets would've ended up there. New Orleans was the Hornets backup plan

[@hornetfan10]

go look at the last 2 years of Hornets basketball in Charlotte. The passion was gone. The fans were pissed at ownership because of his sexual assualt trial, and not keeping stars like Zo, Glen Rice, Eddie Jones etc. Then George did not want to sell to Micahel Jordan in 99 because he wanted control of the basketball operations (which we can all debate if that was a good thing or not) and later sold to an Atlanta business man who was born in New Orleans. Ray Woolridge had no intention on keeping the Hornets in Charlotte. Plus they lied about their club seat numbers to get approval.

[@mramplified77006]

​@@hornetfan10Shinn didn't sell to Wooldridge they were co-owners. Shinn owned the team until 2010.

[@jab-hs8tz]

⁠@@mramplified77006yes it was 60/40george having the majority. When it came to the relocation that was mostly if not all ray.

[@Phatooine]

Funny enough about the Chargers. They started off in LA before moving to San Diego before returning to LA.

[@robertewalt7789]

I remember the Chargers before the AFL-NFL merger. Chargers were in San Diego then.

[@Phatooine]

@@robertewalt7789 The team started off in the AFL as the Los Angeles Chargers a decade before the merger you spoke of. Then they moved to San Diego before moving back to LA 56 years later. It's funny how often that has happened in the NFL with the Raiders and Rams too in terms of going back to a city they moved away from. I've never seen that in any other major sport.

[@jsmusicanddrums]

The chargers moving from San diego really hurt but has been a blessing. The chargers always blew it and lost in big games. La can have them, even though they clearly dont want them or care about them. Now I just get to enjoy every Sunday and not be let down by the chargers, but actually make money off them losing.

[@AlexAcostaArt]

Also, the Chargers not being able to beat New England in the playoffs the late 2000's, coupled with Eli Manning refusing to come to SD.

[@fighterck6241]

When teams relocate, I feel that it should be mandatory to do what Charlotte Hornets, Cleveland Browns, and San Jose Earthquakes did. That is, you leave the namd AND history and trophies behind in the city that you came from. You can take your players and front office because they come and go anyway, but those titles and that historu do not belong in another city imo.

[@jsivco3sivco785]

No no no! History isn't arbitrary. History is based on fact. The current Cleveland team was a whole new team in 1999, falsely claiming to be the team that departed the city, 3 years earlier!

[@markryan2421]

Raiders were outfoxed by the A's with the stadium extension before the A's decided to leave. Mark Davis did not want to leave.

[@mcsweatshop]

Missing you on all of the NBC Bay Area stuff. Good luck with KZbin!

[@ZZSmithReal]

The Rams were the first major sports team in LA from the 1940s. Insane that they moved to STL. Sad how the Raiders have been mired in mediocrity for so many years especially for those of us who are old enough to still associate them with John Facenda and the Autumn Wind. Few teams in professional sports had a stronger team identity and brand. But IMHO the worst move of all time was Dodgers and Giants from New York something that would be inconceivable today given what those teams meant to the biggest MLB market in the country. LA and SF should have gotten expansion teams. The hate for both teams still lingers.

[@Jimevans633]

We don't even want the A's here in Vegas! The ownership has never even shown the ability to come up with the 800B they have to put up for their share of the stadium. Hopefully they just stay in Sacramento!!

[@carlgemlich1657]

800m.

[@Hogtownboy1]

Kanasa City the most abandoned city. Scouts , A’s Basketball Royals , the Rams knew they made a mistake five minutes landing in St Louis. The sweater sales would have covered the cost of building a new stadium in LA. Rams moved allowed LA to be a Lakers town and basketball became king

[@timmanto1022]

Kansas City deserves an NBA and NHL team. OkC should be in KC.

[@HighpointerGeocacher]

@@timmanto1022 Kansas City is not a very large city.

[@volodymyrzablotsky5372]

They didn’t deserve the historic Philadelphia A’s!

[@michaelleroy9281]

The Royals were the name of the team while in Cincinnati, changed to Kings in Kansas City and Omaha

[@713davidh42]

@@timmanto1022 They wasted taxpayer money building a new arena in Kansas City's former downtown area which has yet to lure an NBA or NHL team even though they had an arena in another part of town which hosted the dramatic 1976 Republican Convention.

[@nflmlbclassics]

Loved this one!!! Love you Brodie! Always love your videos. Mark

[@davidlafleche1142]

You left out the stupidest reason. The original Washington Senators were supposed to move to D C. Stadium in 1962. But, because the stadium was owned by the National Park Service, President Kennedy told the Senators that they had to agree to integrate the team and the stadium. Clark Griffith wanted to restrict black fans to the center field bleachers. The Redskins agreed, the Senators refused. Griffith moved the Senators to Minnesota and Washington got a weak expansion team. The sad part is that the 1965 World Series should have been in Washington.

[@Ianmackable]

Bill James' take is that attendance was cratering in 1950s Brooklyn, even with a team that was a perennial contender. The numbers back him up. The Giants situation was similar.

[@AlexAcostaArt]

Also, the neighborhood around Ebbets Field was becoming less safe and most Dodgers fans were moving to Long Island.

[@Ianmackable]

@@AlexAcostaArt Yes, it was all part of a complicated interconnected web of socio-economic factors. e.g. When you see photos of the parking around Dodger Stadium, then pause to think there was absolutely no parking around Ebbets Field, you feel a bit more sympathy for Walter O'Malley.

[@haraldgrundetjern2184]

i think we are lucky in Europe for not realy have that problem, but the are some exemptions like when Wimbeldon did move to Milton Keynes

[@Liggie55821]

In Europe, promotion/relegation and small countries means there's nowhere else for a team to move to; England for example is the size of Alabama, and has 92 teams in the top four football divisions. Here, where we have a huge landmass and no pro/rel (the minor leagues are for reserve teams in the NHL and MLB), there will always be another viable market for a team to move to if a stadium can't be built. And with sports leagues here run by the owners (like the Board of Directors for a company), the other owners are certainly not going to stand in the way if one of them wants to move in search of more profit for himself, and by extension the rest of them.

[@arkwill14]

You should do a discussion on cities that have multiple teams in the same sport (and sometimes even share stadiums/arenas). I mean, why dilute the fandom and allow fans to randomly pick what team they _should_ like? That just opens the door to fair-weather fans and bandwagons. It's lame. The ideal situation should be for big cities to have ONE team in each of the big-four leagues. Examples: Miami, Boston, Detroit, Minnesota, Philadelphia, Denver, Washington, Dallas (or Toronto, if you count their CFL team).

[@adamgarnes4269]

This video was freaking awesome Brazil!! Keep it up

[@michaelleroy9281]

One thing about the North Stars, you had an owner who didn't want to be there not long after he bought the team

[@saryphx]

Don’t forget the sexual harassment allegations that led to his wife threatening to leave him if he didn’t move!

[@timothyflanigan1777]

What about the Quebec Nordiques? playing in hockey crazed Province of Quebec. in their heyday they would fill Colsee. they had a feud with the Montreal Canadiens. not a rivalry, a full blown feud. they played some terrific, entertaining and exciting playoff series. i felt really bad for their fans, the first season in Denver they win the Stanley Cup. and another one in 2001.

[@MrDougman59]

Very similar to Kansas City A's moving to Oakland. The KC A's never had a winning record yet within 5 years of the move Oakland had 3 WS wins. KC attendance over 13 years was better than the same number of the initial years in Oakland.

[@rallyfan1992]

The Stars also had the issue of poor attendance. Add in the fact that the met sports commission denied the team from making upgrades or connecting the stadium to the mall of america as it was being built. Plus sprinkle in some allegations that Greens wife told him to move the team, the Stars were destined to leave Minnesota.

[@Liggie55821]

Minnesota has tons of high school and college hockey, so the North Stars needed to be very good to sell tickets. Instead, they were usually average. When the Wild came seven years after the North Stars left, the fans didn't take NHL hockey for granted anymore, and that's why you constantly see sellouts even though the team hasn't many deep playoff runs.

[@JoeSiegler]

10:37 - As someone in Dallas, I don't agree with your take on the North Stars. I quite like having them here.

[@petergary7280]

I'm a Winnipeg Jets fan and I love the Dallas Stars.

[@menzel17]

Fun fact: the Athletics are gonna get a better view of new york than both the Yankees and Mets

[@fotoeins]

Thanks for your video! 8:18 About Seattle: I hope the new Sonics will quickly support and build upon the success of their already-present basketball colleagues in the Storm.

[@jasonb348]

The New Orleans Jazz moved to Salt Lake City where they don't allow music.

[@jasonfire3434]

The Lakers moved to LA where there are no lakes

[@HighpointerGeocacher]

What do you mean? Salt Lake City has lots of music and concerts.

[@jasonb348]

@ It's a quote from a comedy movie that spoofs on this same topic.

[@michaelleroy9281]

The Jazz and Lakers must not have been able to come up with new names when they moved

[@michaelleroy9281]

When the Atlanta Flames moved to Calgary, still the Flames

[@thomasjoseph3488]

Appreciate the insights. Good one.

[@jasonfire3434]

I’d argue the Dodgers to Los Angeles historically is the toughest and I say this as an LA fan. It was devastating to some people in Brooklyn AND Los Angeles.

[@713davidh42]

There's a great video on KZbin entitled "Why the Dodgers Moved from Brooklyn to Los Angeles" which describes what happened in both cities.

[@AlexAcostaArt]

But then again, would you rather have had the PCL Hollywood Stars and Los Angeles Angels be added to MLB later than 1958?

[@JustMikeTV]

Fun video. I think relocation topics are always fun on KZbin. Would like to see the 5 best relocation moves but could piss off people.

[@-SkyCat-]

I don't care for the NBA but the loosing the Sonics was the biggest mistake ever... seattle needs them back... and im happy my Rams came back to LA.. it sucked seeing them leave but i still supported but now they back and i feel better.

[@AlexAcostaArt]

How did you deal with all the years the Rams spent in STL?

[@Hogtownboy1]

Montreal Expos was considered the Anglos sport. So no government support

[@thomasjoseph3488]

Agree. As a lifelong fan, the relocation to DC took me away from MLB for 15 years.

[@the6ixgardener321]

Molson Park would have been great if it ever got built

[@thomasjoseph3488]

@the6ixgardener321 👍

[@Yvonne-Bella]

Yeaaaaaaa.... Howard Term is probably the worst choice with the amount of ships that come through. Not to mention it's close to a train yard. Freight and Amtrak. Most people aren't gonna live there. Then ive seen some tail trains in their cars or cross the trains in front of an oncoming train in JLS. We dont need more of that with everyone tryna get to Yoshi's or the movies

[@1p4g]

Since it's inception in 1996 MLS Soccer is the fastest growing sports league in the world, every city seems to want a team, And I don't believe there has ever been a MLS team that has left its city from where it started,

[@comedylmj]

Kind of? It looks like the Houston Dynamo are a sort-of relocation of the San Jose Earthquakes, who suspended operations for a few years but then came back. Still, it's impressive. Maybe one relocation, and only three teams folding (Miami Fusion, Tampa Bay Mutiny, Chivas USA.)

[@RashaadJorden]

@@comedylmj I was about to bring up the Earthquakes, although I know they were recreated.

[@RedStarSanJose]

Seriously???

[@bankruptbastard3423]

The first MLS team in Miami was dissolved after four seasons. The one in Tampa, an original franchise, was shuttered after six seasons. MLS sucks. And it will suck until it embraces promotion/relegation.

[@PhinClio]

Seattle certainly got screwed by the Sonics leaving, but by any measure the move to OKC has worked for the franchise. The team has thrived on and off the court. The Thunder have been huge for OKC, which doesn't have any other big league sports teams. The city does a great job supporting the team, which has one of the best home crowds in the Association. Seattle deserves an NBA team. But for the franchise, OKC, and, yes, the NBA this move was a huge success.

[@S_Over_Street]

The Hornets franchise should have just stayed permanently in OKC but the NBA wanted to be in New Orleans, especially after Hurricane Katrina ravaged that area. Since then, the Pelicans franchise has always been one of the lowest revenue teams & lowest home attendance since.

[@spdodger]

Where are the Hartford Whalers on this list?

[@jsivco3sivco785]

On the map that was shown in the video.

[@tavyturean5725]

Sports exist outside North America, too. And, yes, relocation are very rare, but that's why when they happen are really sad and sometimes even tragic. Look into Anorthosis Famagusta for example.

[@joeschmoe8504]

Who is your intro guy. Love it. Oakland A’s, Seattle Sonic’s , Montreal expos , Vancouver Grizzlies , LA Rams, SD Chargers , Oakland Raiders any Canadian or it’s border states hockey team. At least browns and Houston got a team later. NY was bad to lose 2 teams , but they got Mets. Warriors went next door

[@Rhino1400]

It’d be interesting to see the 5 best as well. Some moves are good for the sport by spreading out the teams and widening the league’s appeal. They’d probably all be older moves that people have long since gotten over, like the Giants may be there after New York got the Mets, but it’s still gonna be a sore spot for some people.

[@Fireballof3]

You missed a bit about the Sonics - Sonics owners were throwing a giant fit over wanting a "basketball specific" arena, and the city/region wanted a multi-use arena (basketball, concerts, hockey, etc). This rift was exemplified by initiative 91. Key Arena needed a rework - no doubt. And whether or not the owners were ever serious in this push or just using it as a pretense to sell/relocate is hard to say. Definitely part of the story though.

[@Liggie55821]

Had the Coliseum-Key Arena remodel accommodated hockey, we would've had one of the 1998-2000 NHL expansion teams instead of Columbus, Nashville or Atlanta. I-91 was frustrating. It required publicly funded arenas to return a profit equal to some financial measure (something like 10-year Treasury bonds), ridiculously hard. Most sports fans who were against it had no say, because they lived in the suburbs and this was a Seattle-only initiative. I also don't recall the sports radio station campaigning hard against it, which was surprising. And after David Stern got rebuffed in the WA state legislature for arena funding, the Sonics owners didn't try to campaign against I-91, so yeah, its passage was a pretense to move.

[@Ghostface1992-y9o]

Canadian hockey fans have been complaining to Bettman to relocate or put an expansion team in Canada mostly Quebec City. And they’ve been commenting on the panthers to move there.

[@silmarian]

The Minneapolis Lakers moving to LA but not changing the name is weird, what with LA not being known for its lakes.

[@EditorVJAS]

For anyone who's interested, therr is a good documentary called the Grizzly Truth that covers the issues the Grizzlies faced in Vancouver. There were just too many factors outside the teams control rhat made relocation inevitable. I would love to have a team back on False Creek, and maybe if the team started on better footing things could have gone differently. I only really wish Memphis had not kept the Grizz name, so we could reclaim that should the winds shift back. Even with that said as a resident of the Vancouver area, Seattle needs the Sonics back first. Vancouver leaving was upsetting, Seattle leaving was tragic.

[@johnnyroberts3761]

The cola wars really had no effect on the North Stars move, as the Met Center switched from Pepsi to Coke the final 2 years the team played there. The biggest reasons were due to the Minnesota Sports Commission’s failure to create a plan for a new arena and Norm Green’s desire to move to a bigger market. Additionally, Green was facing allegations of sexual misconduct in the workplace and his wife threatened to leave him for that matter, with his way out being to move the team out of Minnesota.

[@mickser101]

In the next 20/25 years I can see LA Chargers back to San Diego. Montreal Expos new MLB Franchise. Seattle Sonics and Las Vegas new NBA Franchises. NY Jets move back to Queens. Washington Commanders move back to DC. KC Chiefs move back to Kansas and long shot 30 years plus of Oakland getting back the Athletics or Raiders

[@S_Over_Street]

Isn’t the Chargers lease in SoFi w/ the Rams like 20 years? For the Chargers to move back to San Diego, several things would need to happen. The Spanos family would have to sell the franchise to a someone or a group of investors. That someone or group of investors would have to 100% privately fund themselves a football stadium in the San Diego area.

[@michaelleroy9281]

The Chiefs moving back to Kansas? they never played there before

[@mickser101]

@@michaelleroy9281 My bad. The State of Kansas where they should be playing what i meant. Its weird that the KC Chiefs play in Missouri considering the size of the State of Kansas.

[@713davidh42]

@@mickser101 All the money in the Kansas City area is on the Kansas side of the State Line. Lee's Summit is the only suburb in Missouri comparable to all those nice ones in Johnson County, Kansas. Much of the older part of Kansas City, Missouri has become a violence-ridden wasteland.

[@mickser101]

@@713davidh42 All the more reason to move to Kansas. Arrowhead opened in 1972 after all. Its time to move

[@TheDragonDAFan98]

A little over a month ago, I took a trip to Los Angeles to go to Universal Studios Hollywood. The CityWalk, the shopping mall in front of the park, had a Raiders store but nothing for the Rams or the Chargers. My chauffeur to the airport even said the Raiders still had a huge fanbase in LA. If anything, it makes that Chargers relocation look even worse. I feel sorry for the people of San Diego. At least the Rams had some significant history in the city.

[@AlexAcostaArt]

As a San Diego native, I hope the Chargers never come back. They pissed me off every time they got run over by the Cheatriots. Ironically I've been a Ram fan since the Chargers left.

[@raytaylor6412]

Snapdragon Stadium is built on the old Jack Murphy Stadium site. In 2025, the stadium will have four primary tenants: San Diego State football, plus NWSL, Major League Rugby and MLS teams. I hope Sanpdragon Stadium does not have the turf issues that the Murph ha to deal with for years.

[@NickTarterOKC]

The Thunder has been wildly successful in OKC. OKC getting a team was by no means a bad thing. It's been great for the NBA. The way it happened, I can admit that it was not the best way for it to have been done. However, the outcome has been great in many ways for the Thunder organization and for OKC. I do hope that Seattle gets another shot at it.

[@iallan]

A lot that you left out of the North Stars rant. Norm Green, putting playoff games on PPV, merging with Cleveland, sucky late 70’s, sucky late 80’s, competition from high schools, colleges and even the WHA. Wounded franchise

[@christopherdonahue1066]

Wasn't Montreal actually more about leaving since they were nearly contracted until contraction was banned in the CBA

[@philipm5883]

Also left out Soccer, San Jose Earthquakes left after the 05 season to Houston (then won the championship 2 years in a row) to then come back under terrible ownership in 08. didnt know they were terrible until much later. haha

[@Liggie55821]

The current owner of the Earthquakes? John Fisher. Yes, *that* John Fisher.

[@timphares3061]

After they had split the North Stars franchise and created the Sharks because the Gund brothers wanted to move, but the league didn't want to move. So they sent the Gunds to San Jose, split teh roster, and kept the Stars in Minnesota (for a while.)

[@JediMasterGeoff]

I feel way more sorry for St. Louis Rams fans than their LA counterparts. They won a Super Bowl within 5 years of returning and are almost always outdrawn by the opposing team's fans.

[@scottNNJ]

“Does this seem logical, or logistical, or sensible, or optimal?” Brodie is starting to sound like a Supertramp song. I’m waiting for the sax solo….

[@kiroolioneaver8532]

I lol'd at this years AFL Grand Final when the two teams playing where the Sydney Swans and the Brisbane Lions and people where like, "It's the first time in however many years the Grand Final didn't feature at team from the State of Victoria (of course, where the city of Melbourne has nine teams; halftime performer Katy Perry even cracked a joke that at least one of them didn't make it). The Sydney (formerly South Melbourne) Swans and the Brisbane (amalgamated with the formerly Fitzroy Lions) would've been an all-Melbourne/all-Victorian final lol

[@ryanmclellan8740]

I was too young to really care. And I'm not a hockey fan. But I remember the North Stars leaving Minnesota. I have older relatives that still hold a grudge.

[@bryan89wr]

Grizzlies would not be the least valuable NBA franchise if they were still in Vancouver (or elsewhere).

[@OneEye-m4u]

The Tennessee Titans having the gall to wear the Houston Oilers uniforms pisses me off...and I'm not even from Texas.

[@jeremyhughes6020]

I appreciate the nod to the Vancouver Grizzlies, nobody ever acknowledges how that team was ripped from us. People always say Vancouver had no fans, but the Grizzlies had better attendance here than they do in Memphis.

[@KWally]

Also having the grizzlies as an honourable mention shows little research was done on this topic. As a local, that team was a financial disaster, and had to move. Vancouver is not a basketball city.

[@Torgonius]

Can't see this without thinking about the opening scene from Baseketball.

[@MrMaelstrom07]

No Minnesota Lakers? Not even on the graphic. How many lakes are in LA?

[@Rovr0]

Top 10 worst, in my book: 1. Browns v1.0 to Baltimore 2. Colts to Indianapolis 3. Sonics to OKC 4. Chargers to LA 5. Winnipeg Jets v1.0 to Phoenix 6. Dodgers to LA 7. North Stars to Dallas 8. Expos to Washington 9. Oilers to Tennessee 10. Nordiques to Colorado

[@timphares3061]

The Dodgers leaving Brooklyn was an obscenity.

[@gracielynn9623]

Out of all these the only one that really is “bad” is chargers to LA. LA doesn’t support the chargers. There’s regularly more away fans than home fans. It’s just sad. Oakland to Las Vegas will also be bad. The others? Sure…sad that they left their original homes but they are doing great in their new homes. They are getting sellouts. They’ve become integral parts of the communities. Hard to classify that as a disaster.

[@randylochtefeld2806]

Canadien teams are at a disadvantage due to currency exchange. On average, teams in Canada need to pay 20 percent higher than US to be equitable.

[@kramalerav]

There’s very few people alive who may still be bitter about the Dodgers leaving Brooklyn.

[@Liggie55821]

My father and aunt are some of them. To this day, Dad can't think of them as the Los Angeles Dodgers.

[@timphares3061]

Fisher never negotiated in good faith. He never intended to keep the team in Oakland. He was installed by Selig, who always opposed Oakland (because Charlie Finley beat him there) to get the team out of there. He deliberately destroyed the team to chase fans away so he'd have an excuse to leave.

[@admirals818]

The worst for me was when my favorite team, the Jets, moved to Phoenix. That's around the time other teams I liked moved - Nordiques, North Stars, and Whalers. I hated the NHL for many years after all that.

[@rslitman]

The Giants to San Francisco should be partnered with the Dodgers move to L.A. Without one, the other likely wouldn't have happened. And I am so baseball-centric that when I peeked at your chapter list before watching the video and saw Browns with Dodgers in the honorable mention list, I knew it would be a team that moved to Baltimore: the St. Louis Browns, who became the Orioles.

[@richardkim9952]

The Atlanta Thrashers moving to become the Winnipeg Jets should be included. The NHL losing one of the biggest media markets in the US is big, and ownership failed the fanbase.

[@CptColumbo]

It was 25 years before I saw an NHL game after they took the North Stars away. I was given a ticket to a Wild game. It just wasn't the same. I still like hockey and go to college and junior league games from time to time, but the NHL ripped my heart out...stomped on it...put it in an oven and cooked it...then made me eat it...and say, "Thanks, honey. That was delicious."