Goldfish Gladiators: Punisher Burn (Standard, Arena)

[@isaacrobertson4374]

I feel that evolving wilds is much better than cinder barrens for two major reasons 1. With a basic land from evolving wilds, it allows for dragonskull untapped next turn 2. It also thins out the deck, this deck hates drawing lands later in the game so taking them out of the deck is very good

[@andyspendlove1019]

Great points.

[@AllanHathaway]

Absolutely agreed

[@true_plays_games]

Agreed good call

[@singedlesurfeurincurve5396]

Plus seth saying eeeeeevolving wilds is nuts

[@tomjackal5708]

can confirm, in magic duels manabase was garbo af, evolving wilds >>>> T:add X or Y, enters tapped

[@meatrace]

Electrostatic Field is such an MVP. I play UR counter-burn and there's nothing I want more in my opening hand. Comes down before counters are online, blocks almost everything up to 4 drops in the meta (other than green stompy), has 4 toughness so will often eat 2 removal spells, basically turns everything you have into a burn spell. Especially once you get 2-4 of them out it's like "shock you for 6". *skeet skeet skeet*

[@cuddlequeen3225]

Seth was just saying it’s an MVP when I read this haha. I built a deck back in closed beta with Guttersnipe and the card from Amonket I think it was that has the same ability as Electrostatic Field. Field is better though cause the toughness. But with those two Cards you can burn your opponent out without ever having to attack. And Firebrand Archer was what I was talking about that I was using before.

[@killerkurez9233]

Sov bite is more like a lightning helix isn't it?

[@Small_Panda]

YES!

[@DiogoVKersting]

Yeah, but it can't target creatures

[@Small_Panda]

Yeah but lava axe is 5 mana deal 5 damage to player that isn't even close at all. This at least is 3 dmg 3 heal 2 mana.

[@DiogoVKersting]

He said lava axe, but he meant lava spike (which also can only target players).

[@MTGGoldfish]

Sort of, except you can't hit creatures.

[@adamrambo5]

Happy to see arena! Do some more of it. I've been into it a lot lately

[@MTGGoldfish]

It's really fun!

[@coreysierchio4650]

You were rewarded for keeping a lot of 1 land hands. Glad to see a *budget* deck do so well. Thanks for the content.

[@Chultae]

Seth, at 45:50 where you're like "oh we got punished by our sword point diplomacy" - The other way to look at it is that if you didn't have that card, you were drawing land for your next 3 turns, so technically it was a good card as it got you through the flood to your action.

[@crimsonwolf3487]

Game 1 was totally your fault. Risk factor is an INSTANT. You cast it at sorcery speed and left up no removal and got run over by creatures.

[@brendanerickson2363]

What an awesome deck! Haven't been on the edge of my seat like that in a while!

[@ODIRGO]

And Seth mocked Risk Factor when it was first spoiled

[@PovZ123]

Yeah, he is used to having punisher cards being bad.

[@MTGGoldfish]

Yeah, seems like there's a least one card each set that I completely underrate and live to regret.

[@ecoKady]

@@MTGGoldfish Risk Factor is still not very good. It's legitimately good in one specific deck and okay in another deck. No one is looking at Curious Obsession and Tempest Djinn and calling them underrated. They're good in one deck and in that deck they're very good.

[@zylaji]

David Kadonsky There are way more ways to build hyper-agressive decks than there are to build Mono-U Tempo.

[@ecoKady]

@@zylaji I'm not convinced Risk Factor is better than another threat in those hyper aggressive matches. Hyperaggresive decks lose an entire turn casting a 3 mana Risk Factor and then possibly spending another card and another turn to cast it again. We have Flame of Keld and Experimental Frenzy as solid aggressive red card advantage engines. It seems unlikely the winter set will come without a single playable red threat that won't be better in red decks than the 2 copies of Risk Factor they're running now.

[@pablolins]

Even if SPD hits 3 lands, it's 3 less lands you'll draw on the next turns, filtering your draws to come with more burns.

[@sjbarnette2122]

Pablo Lins my thought exactly. That's three lands your not drawing. I know that there isn't any burn for three mana. But that seems better than three turns drawing lands in a burn deck. I want to make a modern version.

[@pablolins]

Aaaand Lands aways fuel your Risk Factor jump start. A modern version looks fine too.

[@ErasMcras]

"Sovereigns Bite is basically lava AXE. It's twice as much mana as lava AXE."

[@DiogoVKersting]

I'm still confused by what exactly he means by that.

[@ErasMcras]

I know what he meant.

[@Small_Panda]

This killed me so much as it was just SO WRONG lol.

[@Evensong_Conductor]

10 mana sovereign’s bite but we can get away with it...

[@ErasMcras]

@@Evensong_Conductor not even sorins vengeance costs that much.

[@kithkindeck]

Watching you keep one landers and drawing out of it like a true magic champion is one of the most frustrating and entertaining things I've ever seen. Keep up the good work, my dude.

[@alexandercato7400]

Really enjoying these arena videos!

[@MTGGoldfish]

Thanks!

[@trysephiroth007]

Have you considered doing a pole on Arena vs MtGO? I know the comments on Arena videos are a bunch of people complaining but people are more vocal when they don't like something.

[@Atmapalazzo]

I mean I fail to see why the current compromise is an issue at all.

[@Moonlit_sky_with_stars]

Ever since they streamlined arena, I tend to enjoy it more than moto

[@Fly-ik6kg]

Yeah a pole on youtube would be nice

[@johnnyandthepnuemoni]

Pole.... Thank you American education system.

[@Fly-ik6kg]

@@johnnyandthepnuemoni im from austria so mistakes can happen. Honestly i dont give a fuck

[@Leviathan62089]

This deck is really awesome in best of one! It has taken me from Bronze T4 all the way up to Gold T3 in one evening. The only changes I made to it was I replaced the tap lands for shock lands and took out one of the sword-point diplomacy for a basic swamp.

[@MTGGoldfish]

Awesome! The deck does work really well in best of one, and it's cheap.

[@ZackSavage]

Man I hope rakdos has a punish theme

[@BuckysKnifeFlip]

I want the keyword to be something involving hedonism since I feel it would fit them so well. Maybe an ability that triggers off life lost.

[@ZackSavage]

@@BuckysKnifeFlip like your opponent can sacrifice x permanents to counter this spell

[@kronksstronkstonks6360]

Seems a bit painful to sac multiple permas for a single card. 'pay X life to counter this card' would be sweet af for burn though - and will give us Grixis players a hefty stiffy ;)

[@DonovanPresents]

Have you tried Tomb Robber in this deck? It could definitely help filter through all unnecessary land draws when Diplomacy gets cast.

[@jvk4455]

Hey Seth, Ive been playing that standard dredge deck like non stop since you posted it and Ive been getting some GNARLY results. Do you think it could be a tiered deck?

[@ecoKady]

There are so many scary Tier 2 decks, that I don't know you need to worry about a tier deck. If you know your deck and it's playing powerful cards, it's viable. You're going to do better with a deck you love and understand than someone that just picked up Boros midrange or Golgari midrange last week. If you're having fun, keep playing the deck!

[@jollyreaper7914]

I play the standard dredge a little different. But his dredge would probably be a bit more consistent. I run doom whisperers enhanced surveillance and stitchers supplier to turbo thru everything

[@prufrock1977]

This deck just warms the cockles of my heart!

[@true_plays_games]

LOL what a spanking! Nice job. By the way you had lethal at 1:00 when you passed haha.

[@ethandenson7182]

Want more arena... I’m a sad boy but i get the rationale

[@noobassscrub-ass354]

Pls no

[@andyspendlove1019]

Yes please. Arena is fantastic.

[@ladycthuwu]

I have 0 idea why people prefer MTGO for standard. I won't watch matches when he is playing on MTGO because for someone who is unfamiliar with the UI it is so hard to follow what is going on.

[@thatonespecificmoose5863]

the meta on mtga is super skewed because of the free to play model

[@totallynotthecia]

I like arena as well but I do agree budget doesn't make sense b/c budget is built around dollar cost which has no bearing on arena since you can't buy cards directly (individually)

[@petefry82]

That last game was soooooo close. Well played!

[@mark3561982]

As I sit here and I know you're streaming now but I really love this Punisher burn day the dent works out really well I have not taken to any tournament yet what I plan on doing it after I get the last two Planeswalkers I need for the deck. But I was sitting here thinking what would you do with the same exact that but take it to Modern switch up some of the creatures and the instances in the deck what would that look like sorry I can't support you on Twitch but I do watch in I do like watching your videos on KZbin

[@CoL_Drake]

Want more arena

[@cuddlequeen3225]

Best way to say it is Sovereign’s Bite is a Sorcery speed, face-only Lightning Helix. More words but more accurate. :-)

[@qwormuli77]

Black Lighting Spike.

[@Crisper333]

This deck is so much fun to play! I won 9 out of 11 games in Arena last night. I'm definitely building this in paper, lol. 🔥🔥🔥

[@andrewgolubiewski3463]

Huh, I ran a version of this today before seeing this. Definitely going to update to your list, more streamlined than what I put together.

[@victorappleton1906]

Thanks for putting Arena in the title. Helps set expectations.

[@MTGGoldfish]

Yeah, that's the plan for Standard videos moving forward.

[@TheFlamespriest]

I got crushed by this deck last night while playing grixis dragons. Was 4-0, saw punisher burn match 5, and was just thinking "Is this a real deck?" Proceeded to get destroyed 2-0. Seems legitimately really good. Would not be at all surprised if we see a lot of it in the coming pro tour.

[@PovZ123]

Ugh this deck is so sweet against non-control decks. Just everything resolving to their face. I can't wait to play this again this weekend.

[@MTGGoldfish]

We even managed to beat the control decks!

[@PovZ123]

@@MTGGoldfish I beat jeskai 2-1, but esper got me 2-1 though

[@ThunderBirdJack]

Yoooooo I was playing this deck in DOM standard with Guttersnipe! This version works better tho. Is 8 wizards enough tho? I had two copies of Dismissive Pyromancer as a way to draw and turn on bolt

[@michaelschick3820]

Can we get an expencive punisher fire list?

[@lizardoo8632]

First game: 8:58

[@JoshuaSAlt31]

I am taking it to FNM tonight ;)...I am wondering if I should just play this version or should I play my version with more hand disruption and Guttersnipes.

[@MTGGoldfish]

Do whatever you're most comfortable with, I'm sure it will be fun either way.

[@jader3193]

how is the vault progress visible here? is it a hidden setting or just something they've removed?

[@anonymoususer69]

I haven’t been following magic recently; Does Arena have all the cards in standard?

[@lucasenraraujo]

yup. Arena even got Guilds of Ravnica earlier than MTGO if I'm not mistaken.

[@christopherwoodbury7520]

And bonus extra cards exclusive to arena (but completely unplayable)

[@GaleeStorm]

Yes, full standard plus some cards they made for the tutorial

[@MTGGoldfish]

It does!

[@cuddlequeen3225]

I love your nicknames for the cards. Whirley Boi and Steamy.

[@jonathanperigo6853]

At 24:35 you had lethal already. When he goes to cast teferi you attempt to burn with your spells, he counters one, takes the other, then doesn't have enough Mana for any other counters on your main when you sovereigns bite. (They don't play main deck negate)

[@alexnas9634]

hey Seth (or anyone) i dont have a vault meter but i noticed on your last Arena you did, is there a vault meter? i have checked and i dont have that meter

[@lucasenraraujo]

The vault only shows up if it's over 100%. You can manually check the log file in the program folder or install mtgarena.pro (a neat companion app that is very lightweight and only reads and uploads info from the Arena log so that you can track it). Prior to the July update (and back in closed beta) we had the vault displayed at all times and people started complaining how slow the progress was, so they decided to hide it until they changed the progress rate (which hasn't been touched as of yet)

[@VatisInsania]

36:23 discord ping GOT ME UGHHHH sweet deck tho, pretty budget too

[@R1S3_0F_D3ATH]

Let's see a modern version, looks spicy AF

[@KDiaz-hy1xx]

Oh, no! I’ve been playing this for a week now. This will likely shift the meta.

[@jacefairis1289]

I've been trying to think of the best way to do this too -- I knew 4x Sovereign's Bite and 4x Risk Factor were good, but there were a few card choices I didn't like. I'm gonna start playing Electrostatic Field over Runaway Steam-Kin tbh

[@ravensman49]

Curious as to what the midrange matchup looks like. Sultai and Folgari feel like they might be difficult but not unwinnable.

[@BeezKneezStream]

I was wondering why you'd run cinder barrens instead of evolving wilds. Aside from scary one land hands they also synergize better with Dragonskull summit.

[@fedaykinfletcher1322]

I am curious why u have the vault in your game i havent seen that in ages

[@Funkytrip73]

Would this deck be modern viable with 4 guttersnipes and 4 vexing devils?

[@gingerkid427]

Game 1: Spends two minutes in total shock that his mono red opponent top decked 2 damage for exactly lethal Game 2: Top decks 2 damage for exactly lethal, basically says "neat" ???

[@ahunter7563]

he was already in such a good position with 2 risk factor in gy,,,

[@goodshipzion]

45:18: better than drawing 3 lands in a row, for the next 3 turns. Plus, it gives you lands to pitch to Risk Factor later on.

[@QuestionMarc]

He never played against what should be his weakest matchup: Green Stompy! What does this do about Nullhide Ferox or Ghalta? Should we get Cast Down or Vraska's Contempt?

[@ChaseSpec]

You are 💯 correct. That match up is atrocious. I play with a similar 75 but have 3 contempts in my sb just for that matchup. It's still rough.. Without them I was 1/11 and with I'm 6/10 atm. Having said all that, I did not see a single stompy list in about 4 hours of play tdy so the meta may be shifting.

[@ruudvanlaarhoven5776]

I'd say, get Price of Fame, it kills all the problematic legends for cheap (Ghalta, Aurelia, Lyra, Shalai)

[@coremagnumplays4684]

looking forward to modern mardu burn with 8 lightning helices

[@deathpenguinjoe3644]

That second rounds first game took longer than it needed to he had sov's bite, shock, and lightning. Any two would be more than 4 and when tefari was resolving there was only 3 mana up, enough for 1 counter

[@stoneman289]

45:45 I find it interesting that Seth blames the sword-point for the three lands, when if he hadn't cast that card, he would probably have lost anyway with 3 land draws in a row.

[@nikhilrajendram2612]

Would've swapped the cinder barrens for evolving wilds, if you're having to play a tapped land. then having evolving wilds means you have less chance of hitting lands with diplomacy or factor later in the game.

[@golengrundy6283]

Seth, Are you playing at the GP in New Jersey?

[@MTGGoldfish]

I'm not.

[@lucasenraraujo]

There's a small white line under Seth's username (probably another program that got caught in the screen capture) and it bothered me a bit too much hahaha :x. The deck seems.... fine? I think I've faced better Risk Factor decks than this, but I'm very curious to see where the standard metagame will end up since so many different builds seem viable(ish).

[@gootvansquid]

in Arena, what the heck is that treasure chest icon on the home screen, and why do i not have that? lol

[@OnlyBadSalmon]

Surprised Opp didn’t use that top deck mountain to cast risk factor 34:10

[@ItsDKoda]

Thank God for Arena

[@christopherwoodbury7520]

Well... time to add unmoored ego to my sideboard since this deck will be all over arena next week.

[@BenDy3223]

Wow, this deck is bananas good!

[@nomak38416]

I've always loved Sword-Point Diplomacy

[@tijonse]

Hmm I like the idea, but Sword-Point Diplomacy has a math problem... Opponents should always give us most of the cards, burn spells do 2-3dmg, why should he take fixed 3 dmg by exile them when he can let us pay mana for them? (exception, create cards, risk factor and burn spells > 3 dmg).

[@alessandroverrecchia5763]

Except againts golgari explore, this deck ROOLS

[@lotleo987]

Sword point getting 3 mana out of the way is super powerful. Most burn decks spend the next 3 turns with the opponent at 7 life just waiting. That keeps tempo. And its a fine discard for risk factor.

[@brandonr.2807]

This deck handles itself surprisingly well in historic with just a few upgrades...2021

[@nils3939]

I've been trying to make risk factor/ sword-point diplomacy work since risk factor was spoiled but my lists were never solid enough

[@infumiinations1311]

I made this and named it risky diplomacy

[@nils3939]

I named my list "decision paralysis"

[@FarrelClement]

Dilemma of Choice

[@erykweber3808]

"Agressive Negotiations"

[@ChaseSpec]

"mother Russia"

[@stefanb6539]

"Or else"

[@samhalsey2155]

Why not run evolving wilds over cinder Barren? The land is coming in tapped anyway so why not have a choice in what you get and include a little bit of deck thinning while you’re at it

[@MTGGoldfish]

If the land is going to come into play tapped anyway we might as well have access to both colors instead of just one (unless we're a three color deck, then Evolving Wilds becomes more appealing).

[@Pokemonetc6969]

This is actually my standard deck, already been playing it.

[@jacobpilackas4571]

Playing this build with experimental frenzy in the sideboard for control is pretty quacktastic.

[@ecoKady]

That feeling when you're browsing Scryfall and you're seriously wondering if Precision Bolt is better than Lava Coil.

[@SiraZero]

For control match up, why not just 3 duress to fight the counter spells?

[@kithkindeck]

Duress isn't burn. Your deck is a very linear strategy. Every single card is damage. The plan is to overload the counterspells. This is why I think angrath is very loose. SOmething like inescapable blaze would be way better here.

[@Blackmystix]

Dude I've been wanting to make this deck. I had the idea for it like a few days ago

[@jesselaplante1040]

Idea for a card: Electromagnetic Pulse XRU Instant Put a Short counter on X+1 target Creatures and/or Artifacts your opponents control. Permanents w/ Short counter cannot attack,block and triggered and activated abilities will not trigger. ETBs won't trigger until the beginning of your next upkeep. At the beginning of you next upkeep, remove all Short counters.

[@MTGGoldfish]

Hmm, that's an interesting card!

[@saw31489]

Not gonna lie, I've always wanted to try and make a Rakdos punisher deck in modern. Black even has a counterspell burn. Since Seth tried this deck I'm actually going to send it and see what happens.

[@obesechicken13]

I still haven't picked up my jaw from the ground after watching this!

[@MTGGoldfish]

Me either!

[@djredvillain3139]

Would you play this at gp

[@JurinoJr]

I wonder how the match up against golgari is

[@sirkickassalot123]

whee.. I am almost playing the exact same deck when watching

[@raulpacheco7488]

Now this is what Risk Factor is for!

[@MrBrandyng]

Edge of the seat at the end there gd, good show super nice 5-0

[@sethchapman1425]

I never see my vault. Is something wrong with my Arena?

[@MTGGoldfish]

No, that's normal. The vault stays hidden until it gets to 100%. I just leave mine over 100% so I can see it (and open it when it gets to 200%, if that ever happens).

[@picturenay]

why does he have a reward chest? I don't have one anymore

[@MTGGoldfish]

It only appears once it reaches 100%. I just leave mine unopened so I can keep track of it.

[@picturenay]

@@MTGGoldfish thanks :)

[@Nightcorehardy]

Doom whisperer creeping chill and surveil standard when?

[@sloth9669]

Why no guttersnipe?

[@boredsak]

3 drop, dies to shock, wizards lightning and lightning strike. Not the greatest blocker either

[@sethchapman1425]

Not needed with what this deck is doing.

[@ladycthuwu]

Too much downside and not enough upside. 2 toughness on a 3 drop is just weak. If it were a Goblin Wizard instead of a Goblin Shaman I could see it being more useful for immediate value. If it were a Wizard, you could turn 4 drop Guttersnipe + Wizard's Lightning for 5 damage, which wouldn't be bad. But, as of now, best you can do is turn 4 Guttersnipe + Shock, which is no better than just shocking twice for the same mana. I've tried Guttersnipe in a few decks and have honestly found its greatest weakness is that it isn't a Wizard and dies to anything. If either of those were changed, it would be a much better card.

[@codycosman8271]

Electrostatic shock also covers his place.

[@garmatey3816]

Sword-point is so so so good in this deck

[@Skibby22]

Why no Guttersnipe?

[@MTGGoldfish]

I've found that Guttersnipe just dies to easily to really be effective (especially for three mana).

[@Skibby22]

Fair

[@Peachrocks5]

I did this with Jaya Ballard because I wanted to find a home for her, I named the deck Jayas Diplomacy. Only ran 6 creatures, 4 electrostatic, 2 guttersnipe. More burn spells. Especially Banefire. That can’t be countered deal especially when coming off Jayas three mana makes the opponent not commit to countering the first spell say a bite or lightning strike, trying to deal with the more deadly second they know is coming only to find out they can’t counter it. It’s delicious.

[@skynight113]

Brow beat, bookburning and the like would be the orginals

[@loni3411]

Thank you for showing arena in the title!

[@jma3554]

I prefer to think of sovereign bite as a sorcery version of lightning helix

[@fernandonarrias]

Min 39:58 the Shamewhirler lol 😂

[@FaunKeH]

I don't understand why this deck doesn't play mainboard Banefire? Your 'being punished for getting lands' turns into gas.

[@PovZ123]

I took one card out for a main copy of 1 banefire. Like you said, it helps.

[@zacklapierre7065]

How is 100 bucks budget

[@skullblaster9909]

I literally just made this deck on Arena, crazy stuff.

[@Battleguild]

Here's a deck idea for Foggy Gate Mill. www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/1422246#paper The deck primarily uses Guild Summit and Psychic Corrosion as the win condition, and a lot of stall/draw power.

[@plainbrad]

I've been playing this deck and have had issues vs control. Maybe I'm playing wrong but it's a sweeeet deck. Just not having fun vs control.

[@PovZ123]

Esper won be over 2-1 and I beat jeskai 2-1 last saturday standard showdown at my LGS.

[@sethchapman1425]

You will have to against control be a bit more contrilie. Like he did with white blue. Opponent did not want to play anything for fear of not being able to counter. Allowing Seth to build up to work through counters.

[@ladycthuwu]

"Just not having fun vs control." Standard in a nutshell IMO. Control right now is just super unfun to play against. It doesn't even feel like Magic. The non-control player basically gets to sit there and do nothing waiting for the control player to combo off or whatever their wincon happens to be.

[@sethchapman1425]

@@ladycthuwu oh you are right control is a bitch. I play it. I know the other side of the table is frustrated.

[@Obelion_]

can someone recommend a good anti aggro/anti burn deck for arena? i dont care having 0% winrate against control as long as i win every aggro matchup.

[@MTGGoldfish]

Probably something with WIldgrowth Walker and Knight of Autumn in the main deck. Maybe Abzan Explore? I don't think you'll be literally 100% against aggro because of variance, but it should be pretty close.

[@rafaelsousa2633]

I think this decks could use some Flame of Keld or Frenzy to keep the gas going

[@cuddlequeen3225]

Is it just me, or do you always have a white line at the bottom left of your screen? What’s up with that?

[@MTGGoldfish]

Hmm, this is a good question. I'm not sure.

[@NMS127]

It's part of the Windows task bar.