GOLF BALL LESSONS HIGH OR LOW SPIN BALLS

[@benswanton2958]

Love your relentless pursuit to make us smarter about spin Bruh! You’ll be in danger of making us better informed if you keep going 😉👍🏻

[@jonathanthomason7896]

Beautiful numbers.... As if we didn't know that already.... lol You hit the nail on the head when you said the course is constantly taking backspin away that you need as much backspin as you can get before the course bites back.

[@karlcole7329]

Another class video. No clickbait just pure informative content, still continue to lead the way on golf videos mate 👍🏻

[@dustanbratton8652]

I really enjoyed the Callaway Chrome Soft. Shot my best round ever with that ball. It felt like it flew off my driver, yet stuck pretty well on the green. Great ball! Nice video Mark!

[@regfriend5506]

Great video really well explained mark and the visual demonstration helped back that up

[@williag1970]

Top video Mark. Love how Titleist are putting themselves out there. Converted back to ProV1X from TP5

[@jamesl5352]

I really expected the 2 piece distance ball to go further. With the miss-hit I was thinking it would be the same distance as the ProV1x. Opened my eyes with this one.

[@vicstart]

An excellent video Mark - I do love the science behind golf

[@mitchmorris8973]

Pro v1's have always been in my bag for around the green feel and control, any other ball feels like hitting a rock, enjoying the videos bruh

[@williamroot7822]

Really great video, highlighting some of the inaccurate stigmas that come with equipment, showing ultimately equipment is to suit a style and ultimately the golfer is always in charge of what the ball can do

[@mattrevilock5890]

Awesome content. I really enjoyed this video. My question would be :. How does the X compare to the Tour Soft? Cheers. Enjoy the States.

[@litfroooog2823]

I guessed what would happen but I’ve never thought about it like this. Great video!!

[@tonywestwell]

Great information as always Mark. I think that price points are key to most golf ball purchases as they are by far the most items lost.

[@coegj]

Feel feel feel, on my old old favorite Tommy Armour Zaap putter, I seem to have very good feel and touch on a harder two piece ball off that putter face. I have tried and no longer want to putt with a softer ball, it's just a feel thing and distance, I want a 35 foot putt to go around that distance not six feet short, don't want to relearn my feel with ten foot putts, so I'm sticking with the harder cover ball for now, the heck with the spiny balls at this time in my golf life. But very good video post Mark, thanks.

[@joelwatson2015]

thank you Mark for this video as I learned something very important and that is way spin effects the short shots. Much more than I had thought. I will be looking at Utube for more video by you about ball spin to learn from.

[@brenton-ford]

Opened my eyes with this one regarding driver spin being the same across most balls. I always thought a pro V1 or V1X because they are higher spinning balls around the greens, that would equate to higher spinning driver shots and therefore less distance than say a TP5X or other "low spin balls".

[@akrickm1]

Mark thanks may be like most I always associated the comment on spin to left to right and have played only low spin balls. Will look to try out higher spin balls. Again thanks for the great information

[@stvenmini]

Went to a titleist ball fitting day 2 years ago. Was told they expect a 3-4 yard difference off the tee through range. They said that they'd fit everyone into a pro v1 or x and only made the other balls so there was something at each price point because that's what people wanted. Was a range of handicaps there and all golfers preferred the premium ball but felt they had a hard sale with the higher handicappers (who all had full sets of brand new titleist clubs bags and electric trolleys so didn't seem like money was the issue). Also found out I was a high spin player with driver sitting around 3500, and 7 iron around 8-8500 but difference between v1 and v1 x was about 300 at most. Same cover on both v1 and v1 x just different mantles. Found it really interesting only thing I didn't like was the way they pooped on the Chromesoft. Really trying to say it was like an nxt and completely inferior. I told them I didn't agree as I can spin a Chromesoft back but not a nxt. Think they were genuinely worried about the price point of it sitting that much lower than their premium offering.

[@andrewslater2172]

Great vlog again Mark. What about the ball manufacturers that sell balls down to your swing speed? Are they wrong?

[@TRI5T4N]

Interesting vid. My coach said exactly the same after a pitching session. I now buy second hand (nearly new) pro V1s for about the same price as new nxt. Noticed a real difference on stopping on the green.

[@nigelday001]

I love these vlogs , Titleist guys are good 😉🏌️⛳️🍻

[@razarubbani1403]

Superb and helpful video Mark. I was looking for some serious (and simple) education and I got it. Gucci buddy. 👍🏾👍🏾

[@svenhallauer3229]

The results make a lot of sense. I think what confuses people, especially high handicappers, in this area of the game is that their on-course experience tells them that a slice with the driver flies higher and shorter than a hook. Since most amateur players struggle with the slice rather than the hook they believe the marketing telling them that a low-spin distance ball is for them. They don't realize that the excess height and loss of distance is caused by strike/path/club-face issues. I also think most people don't realize that the difference in distance between a draw and a cut, when executed properly by a Pro is negligible (assuming wind and bounce provide a clear benefit for the one or the other shot shape).

[@Paul-or4lx]

Mark great video but where does the new Titlest AVX fit in ?

[@morrisgallo8422]

Good info on golf balls and spin.

[@rhyspainter9471]

I was once playing a short(60-140yard holes) 9 Hole par3 Course & I could not stop the ball on the green, I think I was playing a Bridgestone E6. We played it again & just as an experiment I bought a sleeve of Pro V1’s & straight away I could stop it. Obvious you might say but just thought I’d see if they did what they say on the tin & they did 👍🏻 that said I still play whatever I can get for about £20 a dozen because nearly £50 a dozen is too much for me & makes hitting one in a pond hurt even more 😫😫😫😂😂😂

[@sjgraci]

A buddy and I were out last night practicing on the course. We were hitting different balls for the fun of it. Both of us game ProV's. He's a former college player and mini tour player with regained amateur status. I threw him a brand new, lime green, Callaway Supersoft and told him to give that a go from 145 in the fairway to a pin in the middle of the green. Sure enough, his wedge launched high and long 20 yards over the green. Flyer from the middle of the fairway with a cheap no spin ball while the ProV's were around the hole. Can low spin balls go further with a driver than premium balls? Maybe. With irons? Definitely, while sacrificing control. Play the best ball you can afford.

[@simonwong1827]

Great vlog MC! It really helps to clear up all the marketing rubbish that bombarding us daily. 👍🏻👏🏻💪🏻

[@bigcheckk7415]

Love these Titleist vids!! Also love the 4k. Muppets in 4k soon I hope!!!!

[@albertofernandez-sanguino3373]

If you throw into the equation the strong lofted irons which are being marketed currently, combined with lower spinning balls - it's all hell let loose!! Try stopping that on a green....... Cheers Mark, thx for sharing

[@simonsouthby-ryland7431]

Great vid...bizarre ‘confession’ from Titleist when they actively market the Velocity as a Distance, low spinning long game ball....when in reality the only extra distance is roll on the green from a wedge!!??

[@jamessheldon2923]

Just on these videos alone and the openness from the brand and this level of access. I have changed to titleist balls something I never thought I ever would. Money well spent on parfield.

[@phoward0032]

On my full wedge shots with my 58 or 54…I typically rip the ball of the green….it sucks. I will throw a dart with a divot right beside the pin and it will zip back completely off the green. Current ball is 2022 Pro V1 X. Any advice? Should I try a lower spin ball? I did mess around with the callaway Supersoft and it launched very high and landed and just stopped pretty much. I just had random fliers so I didn’t use it. Any recommendations on a ball change to land and stay instead of the zip back that is actually hurting my score?

[@adamstubbs4376]

So what ball should average Joe be using???? A pro V1 because it gives more spin so "scoring" shots are "easier" to control??? Ive always been under the impression that v1's and v1x's are too hard for the average swing speed to get the best out of

[@MrMalditor]

No, swing speed really doesn't matter much when it comes to what ball to use. If you can afford the prov1/x then it's a great ball to play.

[@brizzyboy4234]

Did you clean that wedge before the 2nd shot?

[@clemfisher5727]

From previous videos from different people, I knew the answers. The tour players would not want to give up distance off the tee - they want the shortest iron for their approach shot. On a different point though, I would be happy to play with premium balls like Pro V1 or TP5 if they were being provided foc as with Mark or Coach. However, if I was paying £4 a ball and then had a bad round losing 4/5 balls, I would be pretty hacked off. Hence I play with lake balls (although I try to use the same make and type)

[@stephenflood4526]

I'd say Fred is a blast at a party 😴

[@bennoj8570]

I’d be interested to hear thoughts on swing speed and the effect of using certain balls. You see plenty advertised for >100 or

[@sfedeles]

Given the same strike I would say the low spinner would launch lower with driver and go further but be harder to stick to greens. Not way less sticky nor way lower launching though. Knowing equipment and products and how u hit them gets scores down imo. But may as well give yourself the best opportunity to play good golf

[@alistairwilson3084]

For the same spin axis tilt, would there be any difference in left or right curvature between higher or lower spinning balls?

[@Oknow1666]

As someone who hits 60-70s through the irons and 80-90 with the driver, what ball would be useful to me for both distance and spin

[@craighunter1014]

Great video. Is the only reason manufacturers are producing these balls down to the fact there is a market to sell them to? Seems like there is no scenario other than maybe a 200 yard out shot you’d want to use this low spin, distance ball. Still, there are enough variables in golf without throwing in this 7 iron might for 140 or 160 yards for example

[@jordany6548]

Wondering at what point you would argue the ball matters? As someone who's regularly scoring around 100, i feel like my strike inconsistency is overpowering whatever the ball claims to do spin wise. Strictly price and feel based purchasing decisions for me (or whatever i happen to find while walking hands in pockets in the woods)

[@Garthvdw]

Interesting video. But, after changing from some cheap Dunlop balls from Sports Direct to some Callaway Diablo tours i feel like i've lost a bit of distance on my driver. Unless im just duffing them recently

[@lukewanless9982]

Kind of mixes the AVX message though? Personally Ive hit the AVX and its amazing. They only want to go straight.

[@hobo7070]

The results were as I expected. I would prefer to see a comparison of the spin between the two balls struck by a robot to minimize variability caused by a human swing. My question is whether the difference in spin between the two balls from driver to wedge is linear or exponential. A 10% decrease in spin from the ProV1x versus the low spin distance ball in a driver might be only a couple of hundred RPMs (2500 v. 2250) which would have less impact on a drive than a wedge shot (9000 v. 8100 rpms). If the difference in RPMs on wedge shots are exponential, then even greater impact on the shot. For me personally, I prefer the feel of a higher spin multi-piece ball than a lower spin distance ball because of the ability to control my mid to short irons more on my approach shots and around the greens than any loss of distance on my drives.

[@icecmu]

So is it best to get a higher spinning ball for most players? I shoot 75-85 and I cant decide on what ball to use.

[@martyndaly1539]

It's possibly harder to get the message when brands market it as 'distance' balls instead of 'cheaper lower spin balls'. I'm not so naive that I can't see why they do it but videos like this show the reality. Like I think you've tried to say many times, work from the green backwards and get as close to premium as you can afford

[@jonathanthomason7896]

Wedge.... if struck similar.... spin less but carry similar. Not much room for distance variances when it comes to shorter shots. It's all feel at this point.

[@RobMcGarr]

Maybe I'm being dumb but I don't get why the extra spin *wouldn't* mean more fade/draw?

[@florianredecsy4997]

Scratch Golf no you are not dumb. The reason is that when they talk about spin it is only backspin. Draw or Fade is caused by side spin. Eg.: 500rpm sidespin. If you had eg a 100000rpm backspin you wouldn’t even notice the sidespin. But if you had 500rpm backspin you would massively notice it. Basically vector mathematics.

[@RobMcGarr]

Florian Redecsy But backspin and sidespin aren't happening in isolation, right? The ball is just spinning on a tilted axis? So the more that axis is tilted sideways, and the higher the spin rate, the more the shot will curve? 🤯

[@davethehead007averagegamer6]

Scratch Golf I think they are independent from each other. In the fact that a straight shot only has backspin. Then you add angle to the back spin which makes flight curve. But the point is it's not the high spinning ball that adds side spin. It's the face and path. If you can stop your shots fairly quickly your distance control will be better. Hope this helps.

[@jasonprice9823]

Florian Redecsy thanks for this. I’ve always been curious.

[@jacklynsmith1943]

Scratch Golf draw and fade is determined by the amount of tilt of the spin axis not the rpm. D-plane determines spin axis. Speed, angle of attack, and dynamic loft effect backspin. He has plenty of videos about it check them out

[@keithmancinelli3170]

Dont hate on it, but I waited until the end to just post the one comment! I thought with the driver that it would probably have both a longer carry, and be more likely to maybe roll out a little more than the ProV1x. Similarly, I figured that hitting the wedge would maybe carry a little more, maybe a hop or two, then roll out over the back of the green. Thats just my reckonin' of course.

[@mattheworrison5092]

Which 2 piece? Just curious. The ProV1X is called out...

[@thedude3023]

Enjoy all the spin vids, but can we get a ball compression video that explains where/when diminishing returns creep in, if at all for slower swing speed players using a high compression ball like a proV? Edit: Just watched another video of yours and you basically said picking a golf ball based on swing speed makes no sense, so maybe that answers my question, just had always heard that certain balls are easier to "compress" then others, maybe that's not based in facts, would be interesting vid for folks none the less.

[@ianboots391]

I'm starting to use middle of the rang balls, and am not seeing any trade off🏌

[@stevedickson3037]

Ian Boots, all the companies make great mid range balls. You only notice the difference just off the green when chipping or pitching, the premium balls from all the companies really check up more quickly, Project A by TM is an amazingly good ball, aimed squarely at club golfers. Great price too.

[@kodywallace8703]

Was it to hard to just hit the distance ball agin and get a similar strike with the driver?????

[@jokey4444]

Spin will be the same or slightly lower with the distance ball and the driver, assuming the same dynamic loft, dynamic lie, and face/path orientation. I wouldn't expect a significant difference.

[@Cooper1234Daniel]

Mark, if you can get your hands on the Cut blue/grey balls I'd love to see a review. Apparently perform like a pro v1 but only cost $19.95/dozen?

[@Karl_with_a_K]

Daniel Cooper considering Mark is now working with Titleist, I have a feeling you won't be seeing that one Danny boy ;)

[@ShaamoneHeeHee]

I don't think the flight will be much different but I think roll out will be more for the low spinning ball. I also think the low spinning ball will fly straighter on left/right miss hits

[@ShaamoneHeeHee]

Oh well, looks like I'm a marketers wet dream lol

[@tbarnes89]

My question is, why are they making a two piece ball that drops spin on wedge shots while knowing players need all the spin they can get to stop the ball?

[@x1rmotorsport]

tbarnes89 i think thats his point. You can look for longer tee shots and suffer green side and approaching greens. This has been discussed in vids about cranked low spin irons that go further but csnnot be stopped into greens

[@Cooper1234Daniel]

I'm guessing money

[@garytailby3351]

Daniel Cooper you’re not wrong about money and this is the 1st vlog I’ve seen where Mark is singing to his sponsors tune. Shame.

[@thegolfperformancecoach2777]

Jonathan Cassidy they’re at a lower price point. They’re looking to sell to all areas of the market? Not everyone wants to pay £4 a ball when they’re losing 3-4 a round. I play a pro v1 because I like its stability in performance, spin on 100 yards and in and the feel

[@trondgjertsen8765]

I'm guessing two of the reasons are: Costs less to produce and therefore they can sell to those that can't afford ProV's (for instance those that loose too many balls to buy ProV's). And there are also quite a few people who believe the marketing about these balls going further, which makes them actually want them instead of the ProV's. Because they either struggle with distance, or they are like so many I meet on the course, they only want to talk distance with their clubs and therefore think two pieces will help them hitting it even further.

[@joeperez3520]

I'd have guessed both balls off the driver would be the same, since I've seen a lot of vlogs in the last year (mostly ball manufacturers) making the point that off the DRIVER, almost EVERY ball performs the same (I guess provided you center-strike it, with proper face-to-path). Fear of Left & Right Spin was why I stopped using the higher spinningballs, since I figured a REALLY bad shot with a driver would kill the hole for me to begin with.

[@rizalabdulkadir7185]

Think balls are bought by cost before skill hence spin is secondary. Here in Malaysia many people buy 2nd hamd pro V vs new cheaper balls.

[@johnparle8840]

Was that a Velocity or Trusoft ball?

[@billkendall9110]

So why then does Titleist bother with so many different balls if the Pro V1X is the best ball s you lose performance with the distance ball?

[@DanB-]

cost obviously, every ball they sell is cheaper than pro v1, the whole point of pro v1's and all premium balls is you get max distance and max spin available from a golf ball. Lesser models sacrifice some elements in order to make it cheaper.

[@garytailby3351]

So the vlog was in fact an effort to sell more pro Vs which clearly make more margin.

[@Paddan84]

And why does titleist advertise their cheaper balls to be longer with the long shots when the guy in the video confirms that so isn't the case 🤔!?

[@DanB-]

Not really, if you didnt know the pro v was titleist's "best" "premium" "tour" golf ball then I dont know where you have been. The people that play say the trusoft, or the PTS type titleist will not now go buy pro v's, they want to play pro v in the first place they just either cant afford them or can justify the price.

[@garytailby3351]

Dan B so why wouldn’t crossfield at the end of the vlog say always use a premium ball and if you can’t afford titleist buy another brand such as Vice pro

[@jeffjones5257]

So I use high quality balls all summer when greens are harder and need stopping power. I use cheaper balls in fall, winter, and spring when greens are wet and ball rarely moves out of its own pitch mark!

[@yadthink]

I'm curious how the profit margins compare between premium and non-premium balls; e.g., on either a dollar or % basis, how much profit is in a $4 ball vs. a $2 ball? A quick online search revealed no answers.

[@krawlerkingdom]

Paused: 2 piece should spin less for driver. Guessing maybe 7 yards with driver but fliers with scoring irons

[@corytaglianetti6819]

Did you have a conversation with this man about your add spin/decrease spin video you shot with Dan? I’d love to hear his reactions. 😁

[@Betheball1966]

i think he filmed this ages ago

[@corytaglianetti6819]

D Jones Yes, I think you’re right, but he probably still had the idea behind the video. I just wish the video was a little longer and dug a little deeper. I’m sure the conversation was much longer than this.

[@davethehead007averagegamer6]

I've always got the message. More spin better distance control.

[@tombuckley8306]

Q2 I think spin will drop off, from what the bloke said originally before you hit the first ??

[@davidrichardson6777]

I get this I really do, but I buy balls on price (softest highest spinning 2piece). The premium balls (I guess the highest spinning) at £44 a dozen is just outta my price. Only ever play with a premium ball when rescue one from deep rubbish/water. But as always an interesting vlog

[@jamesc.murray5932]

Agreed...

[@slowster2945]

4:17 you can see the ball apexes much higher than the tracer line suggests.

[@topgunbass]

I always thought that high spin balls would exaggerate slices but that is not the case. I admit I used to buy the distance balls because they were cheap and supposed to fly straighter but it's just not true.

[@Spudroe]

I think it will be about the same off the driver...but less spin off irons and more knuckley distance.

[@robertcodd3875]

should spin about the same shouldn't it ? depending on strike

[@mrmalteser24]

Goes the same distance?

[@jamesnoble1843]

How can you compare spin when they are not identical shots?

[@Stephenpettitt198]

Pro v1 and Pro v1x May well be the best balls on the market but they don’t provide value for money for people who lose a lot of golf balls. Just out of interest what ball does Ray use?

[@gregflynn1107]

That is a bloody good point. I lose 3-4 balls a round, and play municipal courses. The premium ball price would double the price of the round. Ray loses a few balls, he might have an opinion on the cost to performance benefit. Added to that Mark doesn't pay for balls.

[@Stephenpettitt198]

Greg Flynn plus Mark tends to hit the ball pretty straight off the tee so even if he was paying for balls it would be cheaper for him than someone playing off a handicap. I think the point he might be trying to make with this video is that there are now premium balls marketing themselves as lower spin (tp5 by Taylor made and AVX from titleist) and lower spin doesn’t benefit the vast majority of golfers, however it’s not clear that’s what he is trying to say because he tested it against one of the cheaper titleist balls rather than the avx. Most people I know buy balls based on price so they don’t use premium balls. Unless they find one of course

[@scothardie7487]

Strike is king 🤴

[@MrTantricrose]

The test came out as i thought it would..... but i wonder why the good people of titliest have brought out the premium price low spin avx ?

[@markpogson3799]

andy evans . My understanding was that the AVX is only lower spinning on driver shots, but had similar spin to a ProV on wedges.

[@will.m1110]

High spin: Are you saying "distance control" on short shots is better, or it simply has more "Stopping Power" ???

[@craigdavison9707]

Same

[@jamessheldon2923]

Did you also notice I don’t think anyone in the video mentioned two pieces “distance” ball. It was just two piece. This suggest the mistake has been made by branding in years gone by to put the two together.

[@XXPITT]

what is the purpose of a low spinning ball though?

[@paulahulme]

So why is the Titleist distance ball called "Velocity"?

[@benshort6574]

Spin will decrease and distance will increase, due to the inversely proportionate nature of them both.

[@Davetarr]

Does this mean it is false advertising calling a ball “distance” etc?

[@Wiegs]

I gotta think that a distance ball would be set up for worse players whose balls spin too much and they balloon. Or is it people that don't get enough peak height, so they need more spin?? It IS a trick question

[@rickoh7578]

With the lofted club the 2 piece ball will have a lower spin and go further.

[@williamroot7822]

Exactly the same

[@jimking2299]

If you have a tendency to slice or hook, I can't see why a spin-happy ball could fail to make your problem worse. I 'm using a cheap distance ball these days, along with a high-lofted driver, and I hit more fairways than ever. I'm not good enough to notice a difference on and around the greens. I use trajectory, not spin, to stop the ball.

[@sticks1914]

Two piece distance ball - further (280)

[@chrisgilligan4968]

To account for strike on the driver it would have been nice to say take the average of 5 hits with both balls. You're not comparing apples to apples with the "what are you gaining with the distance ball off the tee" part of the argument.

[@dannyhillebrand]

Same carry. More roll

[@devilrick999]

I think the 2 piece ball will spin less and thus go 10 yards further orso (2min mark)

[@pbmaster77]

Think the two piece will spin more, go shorter? no idea

[@mdui2010]

I think it will spin more. But end same with due to lower flight

[@adamhussain6191]

same

[@devilrick999]

(4min mark) I think the 2 piece will spin less but go an equal distance

[@robinmatthews-williams5565]

Great job, 8 minute Titleist commercial 👌