Gone Forever: Out of Prouction Rough Ryder Knives

[@Eliel7230]

Wow! Another fantastic collection ! 😊

[@KnifeChatswithTobias]

Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it!

[@user-ov4um8uk6u]

In a click and get it world, it is funny the frustration of not being able to find what one wants. Another great video Tobias.

[@mikehook2835]

You are fortunate to have those sir. Awesome video thanks for all your hard work.

[@TahoeRealm]

Many of these are so nice because they aren’t festooned with Rough Rider and/or the “R” - very clean 👍

[@KnifeChatswithTobias]

Yep! I wouldn't mind the big R and the blade etches if they weren't on every stinking knife that comes out. Billboarding like that Big R would've been nice had it been a signature part of specific series. But to have it on just about everything coming out? That's when it became "yuck!"

[@fossilimprint2954]

Fascinating knives, thank you for showing us those unobtainium knives.

[@fwrose6272]

Nice Video, The Slideshow with Horseshoe at end was Great

[@unknownartist47]

After seeing this group of knives of knives I have a lot more respect for these knives!

[@KnifeDetector]

Rough Ryder makes so many styles of knives. It's frustrating to me that sometimes I see a style I really like, and then it's quickly sold out. I have been looking for a Cowboy Cutter knife for months now, and I haven't seen any come out on the secondary market. I search Ebay almost daily for it. Still, maybe that's one of the reasons RR knives are so popular, they keep updating their inventory with new models. Great Video!

[@janmakal2445]

They could have milked the heck out of the micata work knife. Me among many would pay more than double of what they ask. Looking forward to the video.

[@andrewp.schubert2417]

Another awesome video Tobias. The RR137 white bone lockback almost looks like the Lady Leg without the heel. The 3 blade Jack and Canoes look really nice.

[@artawhirler]

Thanks for showing all the stock numbers at the end of the video!

[@KnifeChatswithTobias]

Thanks. I try hard to include stock numbers or other information to aid in tracking down knives.

[@jimmyj4811]

Great video, Tobias. I don't understand why a company that has a pattern that sells out instantly would sideline it forever. Why not give your customers what they want?

[@fossilimprint2954]

Well said. Guess they don't really want more money in the bank.

[@richardmcginnis5344]

few and far between makes a collectable item, if they make a limited edition knife its so collectors will scurry to their dealer who will tell some, we don't have anymore but to select customers they have one for each,

[@trynsurviven2440]

That micarta work knife would still be a great addition to any collection. I know I would rotate it in my EDC. Thanks for sharing you have a wonderful collection.

[@rickyallgood9144]

Hi Tobias I subscribe to your great channel just bought my first Rough Rider knives thanks to your channel I’ve a couple of GEC and case but just purchased the rebel yell and the tried and true civil war keep up the great work

[@Zen_Ali_123]

The video we've been waiting for. Are you saving the moonshiners for part 2? ✌🙄🤞

[@SeanLiu888]

So glad I got one of those micarta work knives. At the time, I even bought 2 so I could keep one that had better centering.

[@artawhirler]

I was a Schrade man until I discovered Opinels. Then I was an Opinel man until I discovered Rough Ryders.

[@KnifeChatswithTobias]

Opinels are often recommended to me. I do have a few but I really like the snap of a classic slip joint knife closing. Rough Ryders have that snap.

[@davidkurle5418]

Thanks for the great video, Tobias. Shame to see some of their more popular patterns fall by the wayside, though. It's almost like they're making "sprint runs" or something. All I know is, if I was producing something like that work knife that everyone and their dog seems to want, I would sure as heck keep producing it!

[@jimmyj4811]

Very strange...

[@KnifeChatswithTobias]

Indeed in some cases it is a pattern that goes away but most often it is handle material or blade set up that disappears. (For instance then Tailgate Trapper, get it now if never get it!)

[@mangojack1]

Some very nice knives there. Thanks as always 👍 I really like the first knife You showed. hopefully they make another with some kind of bone scales down the road.

[@slick_slicers]

I have the work knife, and the Dog Bone, only thanks to you, but I really like that half hawk! I wonder if they’ll ever become collector’s pieces, with upwardly spiralling prices? I suspect that them being Chinese will always hold them back. But, as never sell my knives, it probably doesn’t matter to me. Mind you, I’m thinking I might change that policy shortly to move my collection in a more focused direction.

[@rbs1889]

Awesome video! Some beautiful stuff there for sure.

[@felinebline7154]

That Burl r rider is a stunner. Good grief its absolute art!

[@KnifeChatswithTobias]

One of my faves. It really deserves more time.

[@felinebline7154]

@@KnifeChatswithTobias Absolutely, no question!

[@bionicbaer]

That was a good video my favorite is the moon glow large stockman I carry it a lot

[@KnifeChatswithTobias]

I really like the glow knives. I'm betting that series will soon go bye-bye. I've not seen any new patterns showing up.

[@bert2530]

Glad i have the worker, actually i had 2, the first one had a broken backspring. Its my only RR, my only swayback but i am happy to have it in my collection.

[@ConservatEV]

I love my RR Micarta Work Knife, carry it almost every day!

[@annmarie9196]

Man what a nice collection!!!

[@rhino5419]

Hello. Your collection never ceases to amaze me. On the Harbaker/Muscrat you call it a chest plate shield. It ressembles the haraldic design for Hermine, as on the Brittany flag also. All the best.

[@badmunkyedc1]

It's awesome seeing these discontinued Rough Ryders! There's a couple I might be waiting too long to pick up, better get on it!

[@KnifeChatswithTobias]

Yeah, you and me both. Fortunately I normally collect by pattern and not series. Unfortunately, I'm lousy at picking out what is going to hang around for a long time!

[@shotgunnerB]

Hi Tobias, nice video, I'm not sure why they end so.e models, I gavetwo of the dog bones, neither of them had a decent spring tension, after sending the first back I just put them away as a poor design! Keep up the good work!

[@tdubz9685]

Smkw has the half hawk working man series still in stock I just ordered one last night

[@HobieonYouTube]

Nice assortment of RR knives there! And I know you have more! I really like the Dogbone with the saw cut bone. Thumbs up!

[@KnifeChatswithTobias]

Thanks. The Dogbone Jack is a really nice one, especially in the sawcut bone. I think it would make a great gift item for dog trainers, dog lovers, and veterinarians. It's a fun knife and it is basically just an over sized office knife.

[@bluessman0925]

Man, I really like those three-blade (locking!) Canoes and extra small mini-Canoes. I don't blame ya -- I would've bought 'em all, too. :)

[@dietergrunwald7360]

Very interesting video, such a shame the mini lock back canoes are no longer available, can you suggest any collectors sites which may have those ? Additionally what was the very first rough rider RR001 ? Thank you

[@dacenkinser6497]

I really want them to make more of the carbon seahorse whittler. Haven't been able to find it. Love your videos by the way!

[@WilliamsKnifeLife]

Same here. Been looking for that one on the secondary market with no luck. Looks a lot like the Case seahorse.

[@garethbaus5471]

Last I checked the site they were in stock, but I wasn't in a position to buy more knives even affordable ones.

[@bdh3949]

Sorry I missed you earlier, we actually had a minor doggie emergency...he is fine. This is a good topic and one probably worth re-visiting in the future. Are you aware of any companies that have a one-hit-wonder? I am a little surprised that you didn't include the RR 1014-17 little 3" Dog Leg Jacks. Great little watch pocket lockback knives. (Stockman, Trapper Canoe, Muskrat) SMKW is out of 3 of the 4 in the series.

[@KnifeChatswithTobias]

That's a good question. I know of a company that was basically saved by one knife (Buck and the Buck 110) but I'll need to think about a Company with a "One Hit Wonder" knife. Perhaps the DOZ-ALL was a one hit wonder but it really was a fascinating knife that just didn't catch one. kzbin.info/www/bejne/o6fShGmdqsunbqc

[@bdh3949]

@@KnifeChatswithTobias I remember this video....very different "knives". I was also thinking of the one-run series of classic traditional knifes from CRKT about 10 years ago. They made 2 sizes of Toothpick, 2 sizes of Trapper, Congress, Stockman, and a Whittler all in burnt amber jigged stagbone. Though they have made slipjoints since they have never made another classic traditional to my knowledge. I'm certain you have seen this but in case you haven't: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h2eqhp6DaNmnfNE

[@skcamerican]

The dog bone jack is back in at SMKW, and on sale!

[@ZombieOrchestra]

I love the Half Hawk. I bought a Coal Miner series and a red jig bone version and they are my regular carry go-to pocket knives. Wish they would have kept making those handy lil buggers!

[@KnifeChatswithTobias]

Hopefully they will bring it back. They are much more useful that a regular hawkbill in my opinion.

[@ZombieOrchestra]

@@KnifeChatswithTobias They are! They also have that classic little pen blade if the main sheepsfoot won't do the job. I am really impressed by the build too. I have G.E.C's but I can't bring myself to carry and use them. The RR halfhawks get all the pocket time. Great videos Tobias.

[@KnifeChatswithTobias]

@@ZombieOrchestra, I know that feeling. For many folks it is very hard to use an expensive knife for fear of screwing it up. Same thing with inexpensive knives with sentimental value. Who wants to lose or break their grandpa's knife? Who wants to risk breaking an expensive knife when you can risk a less expensive knife?

[@ZombieOrchestra]

@@KnifeChatswithTobias Well put my friend. I don't mind doing yard work, cycling, hiking, opening boxes covered in sticky tape and cutting up food with a value priced rough rider or something. I am just too Scottish to break out a G.E.C that has tripled or quadrupled in value and do regular cutting tasks. I am sure they could do the work but in the drawer they stay until I ether sell them or decide to make one a dedicated user. My RR knives are tools, the others are pocket jewelry. I am very pleased with the quality and functionality of rough riders, perfect example of the difference between cheap garbage and value priced well made knives. I think I need to grab a canoe next.

[@KnifeChatswithTobias]

@@ZombieOrchestra Agree 100% So far only one GEC has made it to everyday user in my collection.

[@joshuaritzheimer1382]

These are some of my favorite types of knives. I look at it like it's a game. I bet the one Andy has been teasing on Guy Talk Knives will be numbered among these.

[@jesterskull38]

Is what it is, at least you gotem, thanks for sharing

[@alphadawg81]

I agree, the RR078 is most beautiful. The small highland lock back has a similar blade shape which I adore for the same reason. ....fantastic lines.

[@jimmyj4811]

Since watching this video, I managed to find three of the RR078 knives, all in new condition. The third one has file work on the spine of the blade, which probably gives it a different RR number. Have you ever seen one, and do you know what the model number would be? I got it in a knife lot without the box.

[@KnifeChatswithTobias]

I've never seen one with file work. I wonder if someone did it after market. Sound pretty cool! I'll see if I can find out more.

[@jimmyj4811]

@@KnifeChatswithTobias It appears to be factory done. The seller didn't know the model number or history, but I was very excited to get it. I really wish there was a comprehensive list of pattern numbers for RR (or a historian at SMKW)!

[@chrisosh9574]

I have the Work knife and the Coal Miner Half Hawk, two outstanding knives, especially the Half Hawk, a really well made working knife as well as good looking in my opinion. I saw an amber jigged half hawk a couple of years ago but was too late to buy it. One Rough Rider I have always wanted is the Fat Boy Trapper, I dislike the traditional case style slim trappers but the Fat boy is a beaut.

[@garethbaus5471]

The micarta work knife might be interesting in yellow delrin, white paper micarta, white smooth bone or some other material well suited for scrimshaw. I personally would like it in carbon steel but rough ryder seems to have a fear of carbon steel and I don't expect them to make much more even though they seem to have mentioned on their KZbin channel that the classic carbon series is one of their best selling series.

[@KnifeChatswithTobias]

They just came out with a "Heavy Forge" series that is carbon steel as well. I'm not as crazy with that one as the Classic Carbon. I suspect they may go the route of D-2 which rides the fence between stainless and carbon steel. This is becoming a popular choice of Chinese made knives.

[@garethbaus5471]

@@KnifeChatswithTobias guess I will go check that out now, thanks for the information.

[@WilliamsKnifeLife]

Some great ones there. I noticed SMKW lists some older models as out of stock. I hope they restock some day, but most of the ones I watch haven't restocked in over a year. A slightly used RR micarta work knife sold for 51 bucks on Ebay recently. Seems like a smart company would notice a high demand & tap into it, instead of shelving the design forever. They make a Trapper with every kind of handle you can think of, but can't remake a unique pattern in high demand. Doesn't make business sense.

[@KnifeChatswithTobias]

I suspect the Paper Micarta is the issue on the work knife. My bet is they bought the material at a bargain price which allowed them to produce the knife and sell it at reasonable price for a Rough Ryder. This was similar to other ventures in the past with Mother of Pearl and the Rough Rough Ryder stag knives. This is why they have clearly said the work knife pattern will be back but not in that handle.

[@WilliamsKnifeLife]

@@KnifeChatswithTobias Thank you for the information. I love the Wharncliff blade, so they can bring it back with any handle material & I'll be happy.

[@KnifeChatswithTobias]

You said: " Seems like a smart company would notice a high demand & tap into it, instead of shelving the design forever." Rough Ryder does plan to make more work knives; just not in the "black paper micarta." I believe if they had more of the micarta on hand they may have gambled on a second release. But that is a gamble. They make money off of these knives by selling it fast. The longer it remains in stock, the less they make and the last thing they want to do is slash the price to sell it. They actually use the fact that it will cost you more on the secondary market as a lure to get you to buy it now and but more than one! (The secondary market is always a crap shoot!) I've often seen people clamoring for a second run for a popular knife only to have it show up and linger around for over a year when the first run sold out in a matter of weeks! This is bad business. I've seen it called "the punch blade syndrome" Everybody want a Stockman with a punch blade but when a company makes one, There's a rush for them when released with about one in a hundred of people asking for it often buying multiples of them. Then stock lingers around for a year, goes in the bargain bin until the stock exhausted, retailers barley break even. And then a year later people are complaining because of how much a Stockman with a punch blade cost on the secondary market but they didn't bother to buy one from the retailers because some other knife was more appealing!

[@WilliamsKnifeLife]

@@KnifeChatswithTobias The knife world is more complicated than it looks. So true about inventory. That's why in the 1980's and on, many American companies adopted the Japanese manufacturing style of Kanban & just in time manufacturing. Inventory is just tied up income potential, that has to be counted all the time until it's sold. Lots of money was tied up in storing raw materials & counting it. With JIT, they relied on quick resupply of essential materials, instead of stocking a ton of raw materials. The Achilles heal of that method is, if your supplier can't get the material to you in time, you are screwed. Sorry for the manufacturing rant. I worked in manufacturing most of my life.

[@michaelburr8780]

The RR work knife is a fantastic knife imoo ; essentially a close reproduction of a GEC viper no. 47 for the most part - except on price ! Its my EDC. Its a brillant knife and the blue denim micarta version is a go - to. RR are best value and the knife construction is mostly great. They can be a little heavy which is a negative. They are v/easy to open and close with smaller hands or no nails. Ok they are made in China (not USA); but the build quality is outstandingly good on the ones I got for price point. And these are knives to be utilised ; and not just put away.

[@slick_slicers]

Those Canittler looks great. Like all lock-backs, they’re not legal to carry in the UK. I love Butterbeans, but I only have one, a Case in tobacco bone. Little knives really rock! That burl lock-back looks great. It’s like a Thiers pattern handle. Especially with that barlowesque bolster.

[@grahamparr3933]

Have you got every rough rider made🤔

[@traditionallarry5378]

Such a shame that they are gone.

[@KnifeChatswithTobias]

Well some of them may come back but with different handles, and that's okay by me. They have promised new iterations of the work knife, just not in paper micarta.

[@skcamerican]

Hey Tobias, there’s an 078 over on eboy, with the number in the title. You could have three!

[@KnifeChatswithTobias]

Thanks for the heads up. I'm not sure I want to go that high for $7 knife.

[@skcamerican]

@@KnifeChatswithTobias the guy had four and accepted a lower offer, so I got one, too! Excited to see it. Hope I like it as much as you do!

[@KnifeChatswithTobias]

@@skcamerican did you go lower than $17

[@skcamerican]

@@KnifeChatswithTobias $10

[@skcamerican]

@@KnifeChatswithTobias don’t know if you are interested, but there’s a used RR strawberry bone elephant toenail over on shopgoodwill dot com. It’s in a lot of three misc. knives starting at $20. Just search for “Rough Rider.” I’d bid, but bought too many knives this month! Su

[@christopherskipp1525]

So, the company itself is on the way out or just certain models? If on the way out, Case is still going, no?

[@KnifeChatswithTobias]

As far as I know the company is going strong. But, like many knife companies, certain models or styles are discontinued as they move on to new designs.

[@felinebline7154]

That Rough Rider Burl is a looker! One on eBay for 20.00 New seller has 7. I just took one.

[@KnifeChatswithTobias]

I've got three. Maybe I need four of five!

[@felinebline7154]

@@KnifeChatswithTobias super piece. Thanks to your video I have one.

[@felinebline7154]

@@KnifeChatswithTobias Just got mine delivered the thing is a supreme object of beauty. Without peer. In a class of one.

[@analogoutdoors]

Like that dogbone jack!

[@jock-of-ages73]

Are Rough Ryder's you show, the same as the Rough Rider's we get in the UK? They seem to be as good quality by the looks of them.

[@KnifeChatswithTobias]

Yes. Same knives, only a little more expensive in Europe. I think they are worth the price you pay. Definitely a bargain in the States.

[@jock-of-ages73]

@@KnifeChatswithTobias That's good to know, also your right about the price, considering what you get in exchange. I think you guys might have a larger amount of their catalog available to you, it may just be me, but i don't remember that black linen micarta handled sway back, or Etrick knife, being available in the UK in 2019. Maybe it just passed me by or something, because i'd have bought a couple of them. Theres a couple of different patterns or models i've not seen over here. Maybe i need to look in more than the usual places. Anyhow, All the best my friend.

[@johnelder4273]

Unless management at RR is just crazy, you would think they are just copying Case in terms of putting popular patterns away "in the vault" until they release them in rotation and drive up demand. But maybe not, maybe they are just crazy?

[@knightimusprime25]

ya missed a few different series like the armor hide series and the battle axe series i missed out on those two series but i know there's alot more they stopped makin too

[@Tracy81258]

I love Rough Ryder, but they do tend to annoy me with stuff like this.

[@KnifeChatswithTobias]

Every company does it. The difference is Rough Ryder doesn't call them "Sprint Runs" or "Special Factory Offer".

[@timwilliams8343]

@@KnifeChatswithTobias Yes, Case does it when a specific model "Goes into the Vault".

[@KnifeChatswithTobias]

@@timwilliams8343 , yep and effort to build anticipation and value for lesser known patterns! It's partly a marketing ploy but at the same time, so patterns just don't sell like they used to. I would prefer a scheduled rotation to manufacturing than the secretive vault program but then I'm a consumer and not a marketing genius. And now they have people who have to buy every "vault release" even when it is a knife they don't really like or will ever use!

[@bobcombs170]

Thanks!

[@KnifeChatswithTobias]

Thank you so much Bob! That was very generous of you! I really appreciate it!

[@traditionallarry5378]

To bad I really like micarta

[@westbsa7424]

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