Google's social app failures explained

[@TechAltar]

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[@slimshady8657]

Which social media apps have you used?

[@shaggar]

@@slimshady8657 just bring the old music back that's all we want.

[@AnirbanSantara]

Yes, the new music is aweful :P Why did you even care to replace the first one? It was pretty darn good :)

[@jimblue5008]

Yeess!! I'm looking forward to it. Very interesting topic in the video btw! Well done

[@mate5171]

The first one was iconic I fell asleep with it and damn you changed it ))): This one is fine too but the iconic thing is gone

[@thecianinator]

I've heard another thing not mentioned in this video that contributes hugely to Google's failures with social media apps. A social media app isn't just an app, it's a service, and services require continuous maintenance. Apparently, if you work at Google, you'll get promoted for creating successful software, but you won't get any rewards for maintaining it. As a result, ambitious youngsters in the company will create innovative pieces of software, get promoted to a higher pay grade, move on to bigger projects, and abandon their software. This leads to orphaned app after orphaned app. If Google doesn't fix their company structure and culture, they will continue to fail in this way.

[@Logrouo]

thecianinator How long until Google management will realize this?

[@gracefool]

@@Logrouo it's been this way for a decade and a half, it's the way they work, they will never change.

[@bilibiliism]

@@Logrouo realizing something doesnt mean they can change it.google is too huge to steer

[@rogerwilco2]

A very good point.

[@AugustusBohn0]

@@gracefool cool, I'd be curious to see how the internet might look post-google

[@MrFeelGoodJson24YTP]

2 years later... TechAltar: Why Google failed at having game streaming services?

[@raphmateus]

I believe it will succeed there. There is no widespread competitor to the upcoming Stadia. So if they pair Stadia (cloud gaming) with decent game streaming tools, they just win the market over from twitch etc.

[@pbilk]

@@raphmateus Uh, yes there is, in someways Microsoft's xCloud service. Stream games to any device. Even PlayStation Now is another competitor. Both of these have been announced either early 2019 or earlier.

[@raphmateus]

@@pbilk Those exist that is true. But none are as seamless as how Stadia looked during the presentation. Let's see when it actually rolls out into our hands. I think Stadia will be decent, and in the end it will depend as well on how good Google is at making deals. Exclusivity deals and games can win over people if done correctly. Stadia will be free (apparently) and you only need to purchase the game... If the only thing you need to start using Stadia is purchasing that exclusive game and you can still play on your favorite machine (ex: laptop). You'll be a Stadia client in no time. It will all depend if we can import games we already own from PS store, Steam etc. Or if we have to buy the title again. I have no idea about that

[@MirthandirRose]

Reading this comment after Stadia has already had its shitshow release is cathartic

[@raphmateus]

@@MirthandirRose Stadia has released for pre-orders by people who can't even do a serious review. Wait for worldwide review. I don't care about a review saying their game lags when their connection is all over the place. Or people bitching about input latency on a first person shooter. Stadia is not for that right now. The only very few reviews of open world games and slow paced games came out mostly positive. And guess what, those are the games you can barely run on your current hardware. You need a 2080ti to run RDR2 smoothly at 4K60fps on max settings on a local system. With Stadia and a good connection you can run it on your PC, or 1080p/2k on your pixel phone or any rooted phone. Most are complaining without even thinking about what it really is. But people do that all the time. So your comment is even more petty.... I'm almost certain you don't even own Stadia Pre-order edition. :) For a person who has no console/gaming PC and has access to good internet. A decent gaming PC is quite expensive, the new gen consoles won't retail for 300$ :) probably the double of that. And they can use Stadia and purchase one, two games for 60-100$ and start playing at 1080p. Or get the subscription like you do already with PS plus, and you can stream 4K. The cost of entry is low, that's it. I already own a PC and console. Why would I waste my time bashing Stadia. It's not supposed to replace my current equipment. When I will face the choice between a new graphics card or console and Stadia... I will look at the games I want to play and see how they do in Stadia. If it's a First person shooter, I will not choose Stadia. If it's a demanding open world slow paced game. Stadia will be a good option. But remember. I can simply purchase one game to test it. I am not saying everyone should go ahead and purchase 10 games for stadia. At the end of the day, it depends what type of gamers you are. I am seeing a bunch of hardcore gamers complaining about Stadia when Stadia is a service for casual gamers. And understand that game purchases revenue is achieved with casual gamers while micro transactions revenue is achieved thanks to hardcore gamers. Stadia is only earning for the subscription and perhaps a part from the game purchase. It does not rely on hardcore gamers.

[@fedor3000]

RCS WILL BE THE FUTURE ... of receiving codes on your phone for authentication when you forgot ur password to some service.

[@kunkundalin]

And spam marketing, don't forget that.

[@Thanujam33ga]

Sorry, but what’s the difference between RCS and iMessages? A tad confused about the two.

[@FlexicoWyoming]

@@Thanujam33ga good question

[@iKingRPG]

@@Thanujam33ga imessage uses a internet connection to connect to Apple's servers. Rcs is a format that uses phone carriers like sms

[@dee_fox]

@Mario do you even know how sms works?

Google+ was poorly designed. The user experience was confusing.

[@rph_redacted]

I managed to get all my friends on it. They found the UI cool but confusing.

[@inund8]

That and as it launched Facebook locked down the ability to export your contacts list.

[@TheJamieRamone]

No it wasn't, ur talking out of ur ass.

[@tophers3756]

Only if you are coming from Facebook. From scratch it was no more confusing than starting Facebook. Plus the circle feature was great as it allowed someone to easily post to specific people and groups.

[@HannuPulli]

G+ worked well on small closed groups and its Events feature was good for organizing gatherings for said groups. Not good for marketing I suppose.

[@iKingRPG]

I consider KZbin and Gmail to be their future. Notice how much KZbin has changed in the last 2 years.

[@yuvananda]

and Maps

[@akashagarwal829]

N lens n Pixel

[@juliansargeant1422]

And their search engine

[@Paul_C]

The amount of advertising is killing the model... thus KZbin needs to be aware.

[@csmemarketing]

KZbin has regressed in that time, because the leader there is a feminist who is easily bullied by outside forces, lies and smear-campaigns targeted at the users.

[@SuitedJack]

I’m still confused as to why this channel doesn’t have a million subs by now. One of the best channels on KZbin now.

[@beefbroth6539]

Probably cz the subscribers have been sharing this channel's videos on Google Plus.

[@siva2k23]

@@beefbroth6539 😅

[@laurenz6231]

If he brings the old music back it will happen one day 😌

[@RickyRisha410]

Beef Broth Google Plus doesn't exist anymore

[@DarkOracleOfDeath]

Because this channel has interesting content and your intelligence must be above average to comprehend it and a lot of people are simply stupid. Unfortunately, we who watch this kind of content are few.

[@GabrielKaizer1]

Orkut was HUGE in Brazil

[@drac124]

Yet they killed it too. Google is stupid. They destroy their networks instead of improving.

[@berzerius]

In India too. But Facebook took the users fast with better features.

[@roninr8199]

Not only Brazil even in India. There was no Facebook in India during 2004 and most of them didn't even know fb existed. Google just didn't take it seriously at all.

[@Vstavayteludirusskiey]

Orkut- Brazil 45% India 35% US 12% Others 8%

[@soulreaperichig0]

@@berzerius FB was definitely not better than Orkut. People switched only because of the network effect.

[@loekos]

it kinda blows my mind that the US is still stuck with SMS

[@heliakopter]

@TheRealBandito but its lowkey much more expensive than just using cross platform chat apps which is why where i live sms is almost never used anymore even in business context.

[@travisscavoni369]

@@heliakopter actually, at least in the US, cross-platform chat apps cost more to use because they use up data. SMS just needs a cellular connection.

[@evoniics9572]

Did they really use SMS or MMS? I mean SMS without picture, video and so on, in 2019?! ^^

[@alexabihabib8215]

@TheRealBandito It seems that no matter what plan they have in other countries, data used on Facebook, WhatsApp, Snapchat etc doesn't count, so it's basically unlimited for social apps.

[@Dragon-hl4pr]

Here in Poland we also have unlimited Messanger, WhatsApp and quite big data plans for resonable price. But in US in my opinion mobile companies don't care about free Messanger when most people use iMessages anyway

[@gaunterodimm3569]

Telegram is literally the definition of an underdog! Not even a mention 😂

[@yourbossdonpely]

Gaunter O'Dimm telegram is mainly used for illegal activities all over the world. So they don't pop their heads out but they got millions of users

[@gaunterodimm3569]

Your absolutely wrong mate!

[@yourbossdonpely]

Gaunter O'Dimm lmao 😂... U have no idea what telegram has been used for and what it's being used for as we speak. U're obviously in a bubble. The telegram I know hosts the biggest ponzi groups, scam groups, credit card fraud stores, hacker groups, terrorist cell groups and so many more 🤣😂

[@yourbossdonpely]

Gaunter O'Dimm do ur research on telegram mate

[@yourbossdonpely]

@@gaunterodimm3569 I've personally been on pirated movies groups, ponzi groups with over 90,000 members where over $10,000, 000 was eventually stolen, scam investment website groups and so many more. They are super groups and use an invite link to get in. You won't find them on the search lmao

[@KittyBoom360]

KZbin is the only social platform that I ever use tho. So Google is winning with me.

[@StingnB]

KZbin is amazing

[@thomas-w8948]

just youtube + reddi t for me these days

[@quatie]

And Instagram for me

[@realsushrey]

KZbin + Twitter + Facebook + Reddit + Whatsapp. Let me explian. Twitter- Follow celebrities. Reddit- Have discussions on Tennis, Chess, Monarchism etc. Whatsapp - Messaging Facebook- Family and friends. I really want Google to buy Twitter, so that my life becomes a TON simpler.

[@Bulbophile]

YT a social space? More like choice TV. Nothing to regret not competing with zombie f fying fkbook

[@ternvall]

I've heard the Google-career-model is the main reason for their quick rotation of making new and discarding old apps.

[@Root174]

It's a shame Google+ had failed. I feel it was quite intuitive with how you organised people into groups: just drag and drop people into circles and then decide which of those circles become "Your circles" (a default group with whom to share content). Deciding who gets to see your content was rather easy that way.

[@xthebumpx]

It would have been nice if you could have created circles people could subscribe to. Like "click here to join my politics circle that I share political posts with" instead of trying to figure out what people to add to what content on your own.

[@tessat1693]

xdmx that was an option though..

[@NateO123]

Its not a shame, they deserved it. Nobody needed it. They straight up tried to force people into their platform by requiring it in order to interact on youtube. Fuck them for that stupid shit.

[@goldmathshow]

@@xthebumpx is that different from facebook group? or subreddit?

[@AkashYadavOriginal]

Orkut was quite popular in India. It was just that Google at that time didn't care much about improving it. Slowly Facebook kept eating their userbase. By the time Google realized it, Orkut was dead.

[@joaobenin]

Same in Brazil. It was honestly the best social network I've ever used. Facebook was a poor replacement imo, but everyone migrated anyway.

[@shashemption]

Orkut is my childhood

[@ffccardoso]

KZbin has soooo many space to grow as a social media .. even the basic things like #hashtag are poorly implemented

[@ixalaz4536]

So the most important thing now is hashtags? Creators are getting constantly demonetized, whilst other people are copying videos or botting views and subs with no punishment. Also KZbin is busy in any case, they have to deal with _important_ issues like removing sub counts (which they fucked up and people have 0 subs).

[@NoName-zr7rz]

@@ixalaz4536 No, it just is something easy

[@ffccardoso]

@@One.Zero.One101 the sooner the best! The monopoly isn't good for anyone but the owner.

[@ankur.vloggs]

Best thing about your channel is like unlike other tech communicators who only live in the United States Bubble, you actually talk about other parts of the world. Hopefully you will make a story behind series on WeChat and how it has become a mega app. It is the culmination of Facebook, WhatsApp, Chrome, Didi/Uber, KZbin, Feedly, Telegram, Skype, PayTM/PayPal and what not. Not to mention the mini programs section which literally has everything from a stopwatch to a metronome. As far as Google goes, it could have bought whatsapp but again was late. If they bought whatsapp and integrated it with their google services like Google pay, drive and photos it could have been a wechat competitor of some sort..

[@Krish_krish]

I never knew Google+ was meant to be an alternative to Facebook lol. I just thought it was like an extension or something to Gmail 😂

[@iKingRPG]

It was both

[@dhavalshah1146]

You make some really high quality tech videos! Love them!!

[@TechAltar]

🙏

[@borealfox]

Google Duo is awesome too. The quality of the sound and the video is awesome, the design of the app is beautiful and it's actually pre-installed in every Android (7.0 and up) so, you can contact people more easily.

[@DocTime56]

You didn't mention BBM on the messaging apps. It was pretty big back in the day, and it has been encrypted since long ago

[@limariooppa6169]

Only big in south east asia mostly, and canada. Other parts of the world never even heard of it.

[@diegobarthalot7095]

It was huge in Argentina, and latín América from 2008-2012

[@risannd]

It was once popular in Indonesia, but the server is abroad at its peak, causing message delays. By the time they build the server here, it's already too late. Realizing the market is shrinking, BlackBerry decided to sell BBM to Emtek, an Indonesian company. They added stickers, online shopping, online payment and stuff. Nevertheless, it's still failing, so they decided to shut it down completely this year.

[@JS05]

I live in portugal and we majorly use whatsapp and messenger but we still use sms for some messages because we arent always online

[@arfuzzaman]

Old intro music plz. Thanks for supporting for old music And thanks for likes

[@InventorZahran]

The old music was iconic... TechAlter just won't be the same without it...

[@yobama8344]

Big +1

[@garritorious7587]

On iPhone, SMS is bolstered by seeing all recent messages in the notification and very underrated animations and sound in sending and receiving messages

[@trollbreeder2534]

3 Rules of Social Media: 1. Do not make knots. Don't force people to make an account for your thing if you're using a different thing. Example: Dont force people to make a google+ account in order to comment on youtube. 2. Do not be redundant. Be interesting, be something unique, not just facebook clone #55. 3. The user experience must be good. If it feels like the site is working against you, it's bad.

[@pzaikis]

Their uniqueness was that you had a single "Google" profile across all their services. It was actually quite brilliant.

[@quatie]

I actually liked G Plus, thought it looked nicer than Facebook.

[@wonderowl530]

Damn, that ending with confronting not being able to convey the ad convey the ad so nicely.

[@fritzkier]

Google, just make a goddamn iMessages competitor, please. Basically RCS but with a Google servers, not carriers. We already know carrier sucks at technologies advancement. So, please...

[@prateeksharma1902]

I want this too. They have all the ingredients. But they still make bullshit from the ingredients.

[@rph_redacted]

They tried with Allo which was p neat imo. But didn't add SMS support so it failed.

[@fritzkier]

@@rph_redacted yeah, I'm kinda pissed off Allo was killed by Google.

[@prateeksharma1902]

@@rph_redacted Allo was awesome. The problem came in people being pushed to the ecosystem.

[@speckart989]

Check out "Google Messages".

[@tiagodfer]

I believe you forgot to mention that Google had the Social Media leadership with Orkut in it's peak. Orkut was a mark in Brazil's internet history, and I think that Orkut's impact could be better explored and why it lost the battle against Facebook in the 2010's.

[@in7minutesorless]

Google meet: *laughs in covid19*

[@luobingheforlife]

I still remember when i had 9y/o and i had an account on G+, my acc was full of anime vocaloid, i didnt joined any grps cuz i didnt know that's there's groups there, but i really had fun with my friends from different countries, talking about anime and different topics, i miss these day, thanks to google for delete this beautiful social media :)

[@Crasho327]

Google+ just ended up having way too many trolls. That's what killed it for me.

[@bmhater1283]

I remember arguing some Lapidot shipper 2 or 3 years ago and she blocked me for no absolute reason lol, what a inbred cretin she was.

[@fbi855]

I remember this one guy named Antihaterfoxy, everyone hated him because he stole someone's art all the time lol

[@markhaus]

It's scary how much just 4 ~ 6 companies dominate not just our technical lives but increasingly the public commons

[@garritorious7587]

It’s weird how the US and Australia treat SMS. In Australia SMS and iMessage is more seen as the proper messaging service. A lot of my friends have other messaging services but we often use SMS because it feels more personal. You don’t want a possible partner’s Facebook username or Line or Wechat IDs you want their phone number for your default messenger. In my experience.

[@Root174]

WhatsApp actually uses your phone number to sign up. During the process, you add a name for yourself and (optionally) a photo. For others, you can choose what their name will be since it synchronises with your phone's contacts.

[@garritorious7587]

Root as does most other messaging services but the reason for their number is still primarily to SMS or iMessage

[@Root174]

@@garritorious7587 Sure, but I was referring to the last bit in your comment about how you feel that SMS is more personal, because it uses people's phone number. Other messaging services can be just as personal. I'd argue that it can be even more personal, because you get to choose things like a custom name, photo etc. Not to mention how in countries where such services are the norm, phone numbers are not primarily used for phone calls or SMS.

[@braddeicide]

They didn't fail at messaging, but they did kill their only successful messenger...

[@IndieSamurai101]

Top notch video as always! Pls revert back to the old intro music....the present one sucks.

[@deepakmt92]

I still use rely on SMS for bank and network related communications. SMS is really useful while traveling. To receive OTP, SMS is still required.

[@migueldomingos4570]

Google meets is going pretty well in 2020! I would dare say they are the second best videoconferencing app after Zoom!

[@TheEifelis]

This is the best tech information channel in youtube. And again - this was so interesting for me even thou I thought that I knew a lot about google. Well.. Not as much as I think I knew. Keep it up!!!!

[@Poo0fi]

Unrelated but I’m still hurting from Reader suddenly being killed off.

[@ogabrielcasanova]

Orkut was gigant here in Brazil! It even had a cable tv program called "Orkut Live" where musicians and bands would do interviews and you could get emblems in the site.

[@peepleep7931]

Orkut was my first and fav social media tho

[@bdxoul]

mine too

[@bianval158]

Another example: Google Trips. It's a great app for backpackers and people who travel a lot. I have used it so much... And I have built all my trips, selected places, made my itineraries and history there. So much information about my trips, it's organized like a travel book (you know like when you collect maps and flyers... Google Trips is like a digital souvenir for me, saving information of places I've been to). Google announced it will be shut down in a month. Kind of annoying.

[@LukeGaughan]

This is pure speculation, but I don't think Google know how to hire product people. They have the best engineers but they need better product managers.

[@SA-zq7fz]

Basically anyone who has imagination, google has knowledge but without imagination all that power is useless

[@MasoquismoGames]

Orkut was extremely popular in Brazil, it was like the slums of social media, but it was the best we had and it was fun.

[@MrKamikaze1337]

> Talks about how google is not good with social media > Forgot to mention orkut was the #1 social media in Brazil and India and is a Google Product.

[@camillatruquesdebeleza7086]

I just came here to say that your channel is amazing, the videos are beautifully edited and I love your content

[@personal_utube]

Please bring back the very first background music you used to have.

[@laurenz6231]

It was called Tarantulas by Christian Nanzell

[@personal_utube]

@@laurenz6231 it went very well with his content.

[@otis3744]

if rcs was made 10 years ago, it would have been the most dominant thing ever, literally whatsapp and the likes wouldn't even exist... i can imagine it, bein able text people right on my sms app without having to pay the unbelievable bills

[@danh5637]

I also have a suspicion this is in part deliberate if they have a successful social platform or even chat platform. The calls for them to be broken up as a monopoly would become even louder. And they’re already very loud.

[@AbhishekNag666]

To be fair RCS feels like another TOOL/UTILITY product rather than a Social platform solution. And yes, nobody in India uses SMS for chatting. Only Bank, UPI and other financial messages get delivered via SMS and maybe some other official organizational messages. There was a time when mobile carriers used to sell SMS packs and bundles but unfortunately that was 10-15 years ago.

[@jaykrishnak3268]

True. SMS is extremely rarely used for communication. WhatsApp is king here and telegram is probably second place.

[@galenblack8321]

As always, insightful and well thought out. Keep up the great work.

[@zaneearldufour]

If you haven't, could you do a story behind on how github became such a massive success? (compared to other similar platforms like bit bucket, gitlab etc.)

[@sorchacrabhan5937]

Our school uses teams and it unifies the departments as each department used to use their own service (doddle, moodle, my maths, edmodo etc) and now everything's connected

[@iamvmsulthan]

Well i thought the hangout and Google + would be the oldest project among all the social platform

[@aes1373]

They did somewhat succeed with Hangouts. Alot of ppl use it for msging ppl on gmail and for face chatting.

[@liranpiade4499]

RCS is a bad system BECAUSE it uses carriers. They COULD cost extra. If not as RCS, then at least if SMS/MMS fallback (which will be the case almost constantly due to incompetent carriers) is in use.

[@onafets38]

google wave was a funny nice experiment .. very geeky but it lacked something (about natural human comunication) xD it was like a game with very interesting mechanics, on paper, but that is a pain to actually play with.. maybe it could be upgraded....

[@realsushrey]

Buy Twitter ASAP before it gets too expensive. Problem solved.

[@realsushrey]

@Crim Sin Not as easy as that. The reason why Twitter and Facebook look immortal is that it is very hard to make people migrate. I think Google now believe KZbin to be their social media platform.

[@andre_warmeling]

I'd like to point that Orkut was the social network everyone used here in Brazil, until like 2011.

[@sayanmalakar8438]

Thank god they failed. I really don't want to send more of my data to Google. That company is so immature that they're actively blocking New Edge from accessing their services (meet, docs and drive).

[@Toblehrone]

They aren't actively blocking Edge from accessing services - it's been said they just have an "allow" list that they haven't updated yet. However, Google is notorious for crippling non-Chromium browsers like Firefox and Edge (to the point that Edge had to switch browser engines). At least Google doesn't have control over the entire internet, but it's insane how they're tricking people into thinking that Firefox and Edge are slow by crippling their speeds. I find it sad that they've forced Edge to surrender and become yet another Chromium browser thanks to these anti-competitive tricks.

[@AbhishekNag666]

But you would rather send your data to Facebook by using FB and WhatsApp. 😂😂 Bro, Google uses your data for making money, true, but they can be considered as a far lesser evil when you look at offenders like Facebook and Snap. Specially leakage of data, and data breaches and malpractices of securing confidential data. SMH

[@nikunjbedia9398]

@@dustojnikhummer Ok sorry I was wrong. (Deleting my original reply)

[@mattiVX]

What makes me hesitant to RCS is that it may cost extra to message people in other countries, especially if it just reverts to SMS without letting me choose.

[@JDara1]

Wait you telling me that I can use RCS when my carrier balance is 0 and I dont have internet on my phone?

[@JDara1]

@Lumi a shit...

[@TheEuropeanFox]

I have RCS and I had no idea ..

[@CBTstreams]

Oh my god I remember how much I fell in love with Orkut just as it was its last few days, can't remember weather it was Google bought it and planned to put utilise it elsewhere like Picasa or something.. Oh and Buzz! 😂😂 I remember it, iGoogle? Anyone? Having your own cool custom Google page with backgrounds and widgets. See G+ was amazing at first, I tried getting all the lads to move over and have hangouts for our group chat instead of WhatsApp, since we all had Gmail and YT, we all had to change our numbers to avoid paying for WhatsApp but in the end, they didn't want it, they just didn't feel it and over the years G+ simply became a dumping ground for YT posts, explicit photos EVERYWHERE and trash in general, it's a shame, it seems they can never get it right.

[@thegardenofeatin5965]

I used iGoogle until the bitter end. A google search bar, my gmail inbox, a quick news feed, a weather synopsis, and a pleasant background that reacted to the time of day. iGoogle was my last homepage; when it shut down, I stopped using home pages entirely.

[@CBTstreams]

@@thegardenofeatin5965 I used to love it, I'd 'wow' my friends with it every time haha Of course home pages would never be the same. Shame they shut things down that are great, like recently inbox for gmail.

[@Guenwhyever]

I started using google messages on mobile in 2010. It could text other phones or other people's apps. Got rebranded as hangouts, but it has existed for a lot longer than 2013.

[@iKingRPG]

You mean Gchat. Google Messages is something different

[@etorawa9367]

We need a decentralized messaging app, on a p2p platform.

[@BrunoFinger]

Orkut was massively popular in Brazil, it died a few years after Facebook launched.

[@familiarr_Strangerr]

It was the go to social network in India also, but then they launched new orkut look and tried to copy Facebook and from then orkut went downhill.

[@macoud12]

That graphic at 1:21 is incorrect, Hangouts is still alive. Not many people use it anymore though due to the shutdown of Google+.

[@garruscalibrates2333]

It's shutting down in October... Source: arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/01/the-great-google-hangouts-shutdown-begins-october-2019/

[@C4Fernandez]

When you've mentioned Google focussing on business oriented apps, my mind jumped straight to project management. So far, G-Suite and Google Drive overall lacks a seamless project management experience from my use with these services. Other than making spreadsheets and group email listings, there's not much you can do that offers an experience like other project management services like Monday.com or Trello. I'm making do with Google Drive, Notion, OpenProject and Wave as my apps of choice for project management and self-accounting but it would be nice if Google had better proprietary apps that intergrate with Google Calendar, Docs, Drive, etc.

[@BitSpartan]

i miss orkut i guess it was more famous here in brazil than in the rest of the world

[@___dyego]

Eu fiquei sem entender quando ele ignorou o Orkut kkkkk

[@___dyego]

Talvez tenha sido mt popular aqui no Brasil mesmo, n sei

[@BitSpartan]

exato

[@bashisobsolete.pythonismyn6321]

Hi5 também

[@ffccardoso]

se eles tivessem lançado o google+ como um Orkut 2 no Brasil, e importado contatos e comunidades, já ia ser um incentivo grande pra muita gente aderir

[@TheBoxingNinja]

I just wish they'd not get rid of Hangouts. I use the app everyday SMS and everything else. All my messages sync across my computer, laptop, table, and phones.

[@moomin7461]

Hangouts is good, but I wish they didn't compress video when you send it.

[@TheBoxingNinja]

@@moomin7461 I've honestly have never sent a video thought Hangouts. I usually upload to Google photos and send the link.

[@ninjanerdstudent6937]

SMS is popular in the U.S. because it works with 100% of phones. Each of those mentioned apps only work on

[@ortiztheinfamous2771]

Google message and duo are really the most solid ones I've used imo I really like Google messages

[@hridayeshsharma539]

Can you make a video on how Facebook is able to rule over social media platform. Anyway I don't think chat can ever beat slack. Teams can but not chat.

[@nadeemshaikh7863]

Why?

[@hridayeshsharma539]

@@nadeemshaikh7863 I have used chat and slack both. And slack has a lot more features compared to chat.

[@nadeemshaikh7863]

@@hridayeshsharma539 Yeah, but why would Google not catch up with slack and beat it in the Enterprise market?

[@hridayeshsharma539]

@@nadeemshaikh7863 Man did you even watch the video. He explains it well why Google is failing at it.

[@nadeemshaikh7863]

@@hridayeshsharma539 yeah, I saw that but you didn't explain why can't Google beat slack when G Suite is becoming so damn popular. Why?

[@trones9204]

GDPR is insane. The owner of the data, is the owner (or renter) of the SSD on which the aforementioned data lives.

[@RediscoveryChannel2021]

We use the Google suite at work. I really like it, including Hangouts.

[@kunkundalin]

Do you prefer it over Microsoft Office?

[@uzunami810]

I miss Google+. It was one of the few social media platforms where you could actually make friends

[@jonathano503]

Tsynami Definitely true, I made friends with an entire trolling community. Good times

[@spicycracker7828]

I mean there's always *Facebook* it's almost a social requirement for most people under 60 to have a FB now if you have a huge "friend's list" but are only really friends with like 10% of them... then that's on you and perhaps you need to do a little 'spring cleaning'

[@rupeshverma9536]

Orkut could be the Facebook of this era but it died bcz of Google's own mistake

[@jora9655]

Wondering whether Google Play Music or KZbin Music will get killed first...

[@HansjuergWuethrich]

I hope they kill KZbinMusic, that is just crap ! GooglePlayMusic is great but the Design is old (Not Material Design V2.0)

[@iKingRPG]

Where I live emails and smart are still the industry standard especially for business We use internet chats for fun Edit: I meant "SMS" not "smart"

[@fuseteam]

wait "smart"? wut o.O

[@iKingRPG]

@@fuseteam oh I met SMS. I'll fix it

[@fuseteam]

@@iKingRPG oh my

[@vgamesx1]

Well as a more personal experience reason why I didn't use hangouts is that it was a little basic/bare bones compared to some other solutions, it didn't seem to always work right such as sometimes not receiving a notification on a new message, even worse yet is they had no dedicated desktop app as they wanted it to run purely as a web app in your browser and as you mentioned they like to quickly kill off things that don't get their desired level of attention which is always rather annoying when you find a piece of software you do like, so no thanks google I'll stick with what's already good like discord or something free/open source that can't just be killed off.

[@CEKROM]

2:40 and Telegramm , Signal =D

[@pzaikis]

Google was actually in the messaging game much much earlier with gChat which has always been built into Gmail, as a standalone online messenger, and available on the very first Android phones. This same product has been simply rebranded and evolved into Hangouts today. No idea why Google tried experimenting with so many different chat app concepts though, just confusing the user base.

[@random-accessmemory9201]

Good bye, KZbin Messages. 🤣😂

[@weekay0018]

You deserve more subs bro! Keep it up 💪

[@Thewinner312]

Hangouts is no failure, though. It is heavily used by businesses in combination with the general G-Suite. And it's awesome! :-)

[@ДаниилКириллов]

Not everyone works in big company.

[@kunkundalin]

How is it for personal use?

[@AsphaltAntelope]

@@kunkundalin Unreliable. Notifications on iPhone/Android don't always work.

[@2hedz77]

I have never had issues with notifications but I know ppl who have. Otherwise it is pretty basic...looks like an app from 5 years ago. But I do think there are companies using it. My brothers whole company ...quite large ...uses g suite and Hangouts extensively. Leaves much to be desired tho.

[@Thewinner312]

@@2hedz77 Quite the contrary, I don't know of a chat product that is as advanced as hangouts. Let me explain. Where Hangouts really shines is integration. You have it in Gmail, so you don't need an extra window/application for chat. But more importantly it is integrated with calendar. Every event in your calendar automatically has a hangouts meeting. So there is no struggle, of who starts a video call, then invites everyone, etc. Every meeting automatically has one. It gets even better, because there is also meeting room hardware that lets you hook up TVs in meeting rooms to G-Suite. When you book a meeting room for a calendar event, the TV in that room is automatically aware of the hangouts call for that meeting, so you when you get to the meeting room you only need to click one button and you automatically have the correct video call running on that screen. No laptops required, but you can just use the link in the calendar to share your laptop screen into that meeting. I currently don't know of any competitor who has such features, especially if you are already using G-Suite anyway.

[@StrikeFreedom1920]

Also, OEMs will bundle their own chat (SMS) app with their Android devices which could confuse and/or annoy users making the adoption of Google's own app even less. I'm not sure if this has changed but that has been my experience.

[@jonathanfriedel]

KZbin has been poisoned by Google. Most of my clients are looking for alternatives to KZbin.

[@mLevyks]

hey, orkut was VERY popular in brazil, in the end of it they headquartes came to here, as the majority of the users were brazilians

[@indianajones5929]

They never had coding abilities. Its just government backed funds and buying already successful projects like KZbin. Their social app attempts were riddled with exploits and lack of user friendly interface

[@DrakiniteOfficial]

Finally a video that's about something besides smartphones! I love it! Seriously, dude, great video. I don't know what to say except I loved it. This is the type of content I subscribed for! ❤️

[@TechAltar]

Really glad to hear!

[@AbderrahmenBesbes]

i personnaly still use Hangout (and i like it :/ )

[@UniqueWildCard]

Abderrahmen Besbes me too

[@TracertGaming]

Your stupid

[@Mkrabs]

@@TracertGaming stopid*

[@PukMaxi]

@@Mkrabs stoopid*

[@Fruitarian.]

How come they havent discontinue youtube and gmail yet

[@iKingRPG]

Because they are successful and not failures

[@DA-bm2mj]

do Americans even know what an "SMS" is? lol it seems like they call it "text messages"

[@enda0man]

?

[@andrew_bermudez]

Another great video! Can’t wait for the next one.

[@Amar-pu3ph]

But Google Dou (vedio calling) is somewhat succesfull!!

[@saadamansayyed]

Google was made for tech grads - nerds and introverts who need software to get things done. Not to socialize. Seems like that has carried on.

[@AchwaqKhalid]

🗣️🔊 *BECAUSE THEY REFUSE TO LISTEN TO THEIR PEOPLE*

[@___dyego]

Orkut was the main social network here in brazil before Facebook I was really surprised when you sad it never was popular

[@___dyego]

@Super Cool me too :/ Where are you from?

[@fen0221]

Because NO ONE asked for it and they forced us to use it. Basically that’s gugle always have been

[@hridoygovindadas914]

I'm 37 and I pretty much only message people with Google messages (rcs). It's way better than my native sms app.

[@iKingRPG]

Yep