What's the outro instrumental? please answer ive been looking for it since i found your channel.
@user-xz4pv2sw7u2 жыл бұрын
i agree we need 1.03 but people have been paying Big money for controllers since the dawn of time bro nothing new
@user-xz4pv2sw7u2 жыл бұрын
how is the game pay to win actaully u have finally missed bro look at fight sticks they all have different internals and people mod them to make them better
@ChiodosBlowsDogs2 жыл бұрын
I'm completely behind this and I sell modded gcc's as a hobby/side money, given it wouldn't really affect me since, most of my work is just cosmetic/restoration and simple performance mods like capacitors to stop unwanted snapback. Just found your channel a few days ago and I've been loving it, keep it up.
@TravisOuttaHell2 жыл бұрын
@@user-xz4pv2sw7u we just change the pcb so we can play on other consoles. You're reaching.
@pourliver2 жыл бұрын
As a beginner Melee player, I hate how the "game" progressed in a way that allows some heavily modded controller, basically gatekeeping features behind a paywall. 1.03 seems to be a step in the right direction tho
@DoomShrm2 жыл бұрын
As another beginner Melee player. I see it the same way. I know mango sees z-jump as cheating but someone doesn't see notches as P2W
@hannesheart_breakermeyer54772 жыл бұрын
As a beginner you shouldn't care about pay2win. A decent controller won't boost you up to the intermediate level. I won't deny the arguments for 1.03 tho. Just the feeling one may get, that they need to pay to win... Enjoy your first years without worrying to much
@pourliver2 жыл бұрын
@@hannesheart_breakermeyer5477 Oh, I know I'm not being limited by my controller, but as someone who enjoys competitive play, its clearly toxic for the scene in the long run, even if I'm not the one directly affected by it. Hope we'll see TOs innovate on that subject!
@PoseidonGaming1002 жыл бұрын
@@hannesheart_breakermeyer5477 A decent controller lets you buy new moves as a spacie what are you on about
@IAm-zo1bo2 жыл бұрын
@@PoseidonGaming100 That you guys go a little too far and find any small thing to complain about. Worry about your controller when you feel it dragging you down
@burgerchild2 жыл бұрын
1.03 is a cute name but i think if it were advertised as just UCF 2.0 then it would be accepted much faster. That and if some more pros got on board. It’s cringe how few pros are willing to support hax.
@TheMom12352 жыл бұрын
Hate to say it but your prob right.
@ProfCube2 жыл бұрын
yeah this is probably correct
@alecrutz9562 жыл бұрын
"It’s cringe how few pros are willing to support hax." all because of a stupid video that he's long apologized for and admitted was unhinged. It's amazing that they don't forgive him on that, yet they defend countless other liars and bullies in the community.
@mystraunt2705 Жыл бұрын
They wont forgive hax yet leffen still exists
@bigannoyingbanana1365 Жыл бұрын
@@alecrutz956 they cant forgive hax but they can forgive leffen
@HellCat_Kenny2 жыл бұрын
Hax’s name being on it is probably 90% of why it’s not being entertained. If they acknowledge that it exists, they have to acknowledge that hax exists, and by extension acknowledge that they all let him get thrown under the bus.
@MicahGreaney Жыл бұрын
💯💯💯
@aplsed Жыл бұрын
It's also a memory card mod in the Slippi era. Since Slippi-Nintendont does pretty much everything something like 20XXTE does and then some, ppl stopped giving memcard-exploit mods the time of day
@xxProjectJxx2 жыл бұрын
"Melee is a perfect accident, we just have to mod it so our controllers actually fucking work" lmao
@KaloKross Жыл бұрын
that era where nintendo was making games so bad that the community went back and convinced themselves melee mustve been an accident was pretty funny. you can tell from the changes in the hundreds of small PAL version a few months after the NTSC release, that nintendo knew exactly what they were making
@Max-xp1wo Жыл бұрын
@@KaloKross by nerfing link in pal lol
@popasquat50222 жыл бұрын
I think a lot of the reason why this doesnt have a ton of top player support is that they all get the best controllers from the best modders, who allow them to cut through queues to get their controllers as fast as possible (depending on the relationship to the modder, sometimes the player even gets them for free). To them, they experience none of the problems that 1.03 would potentially fix, so this doesn't even attract their attention
@10Gpixels2 жыл бұрын
The only real problem with 1.03 that I see, is Nintendo might not like modifications being used in major tournaments. Though they seem to have a problem with every melee major nowadays, so I really don't see how it would be a limiting factor. Poor Hax can't catch a break from the community, even when he actively helps make the game more accessible to players in the long run.
@sptflcrw85832 жыл бұрын
Nintendo can fuck off, what have they ever done for us?
@10Gpixels2 жыл бұрын
@@EllaEllaAudios That's exactly what I mean. The denial of UCF 1.03 is about as pointless as denying all other iterations of UCF, or every competitive melee mod for that matter.
@user-xz4pv2sw7u2 жыл бұрын
nintendo doesnt care about ucf why would they care about 1.03 its just the better version
@dittery2 жыл бұрын
Lets just silently switch to 1.03 and never bring it up at the tournament so nintendo doesnt notice!
@Koppu1doragon2 жыл бұрын
Okay see here's your problem, caring what Nintendo thinks. See Nintendo, doesn't like the fact there is a competitive scene for their games, to begin with.
@Farkonso2 жыл бұрын
I never see anyone else talk about how 1.03 is great for EU players too. Loading the NTSC version of the game through nintendont always causes graphical errors on CRT for me, but a PAL copy of melee fixed with 1.03 works just fine. Maybe im just dumb but 1.03 makes it so much more convenient to play an actual competitive version of the game over here and that alone is so helpful.
@DoomShrm2 жыл бұрын
big up to EU melee
@hannesheart_breakermeyer54772 жыл бұрын
1. PAL is the actual competitive version 2. I never had graphics issues with nintendont, but I can see the convenience especially for the use of gamecubes
@Farkonso2 жыл бұрын
@@hannesheart_breakermeyer5477 My point wasn't about whether PAL is worse than NTSC, more so about the viable controller fixes. PAL could've been very cool if it became the primary version
@Hundeklokind0072 жыл бұрын
You probably have a CRT that doesn't support 60hz. You can usually find great 60+hz CRTs for free. I would highly suggest either getting a CRT that supports 60hz or switching over to a monitor as NTSC is the competitive standard in most (if not all) European countries.
@TravisOuttaHell2 жыл бұрын
Why are you calling yourself dumb. This is objectively true.
@Kylerulez6662 жыл бұрын
I have good answer... hax made 1.03 and people don't like admitting hax is right
@SpookySSBM2 жыл бұрын
1.03 is the best thing to come from the community in some time. Hopefully the Hax taboo doesn't cuck us...
@Lampaluile2 жыл бұрын
it's so ridiculous too. Hax was mostly right Leffen was and still is an asshole. He just got called out
@eliliminator6526 Жыл бұрын
The big and very plausible reason i have heard is that 1.03 is not a „ghost mod“ meaning there are actual menu changes for remapping buttons for example. And if there is any sign of there being a modded version of melee being used for events Nintendo can shut down the whole event and probably even sue the TOs. Apparently it is already forbidden for commentators to talk about ucf on stream.
@thefranChise1 Жыл бұрын
1.03 has stealth now
@TabrissJustice Жыл бұрын
@@thefranChise1 as much as I think 1.03 is better than P2W, even with stealth, there is 100 things that can go wrong at any tournament from supermajor to local. I think a better option would be a UCF type software that can reprogram a controller with 1.03 benefits, while not cheating... Its all so complicated that using 1.02 and unfortunately having to be P2W with good GCCs or just paying and learning how to use a Box is the more accessible option to those looking to compete. Sad reality
@MEEPdragon2 жыл бұрын
I think calling the boxx pay to win is a bit unfair to it since its main purpose is to let players with arthritis and other conditions play competitively
@prism33672 жыл бұрын
@Saxon Eyles this goes for any input intensive game though. that's just part of the contract signed playing melee. boxx style controllers are just far more ergonomic and will greatly prevent these issues from happening
@MEEPdragon2 жыл бұрын
@Saxon Eyles the boxx was literally developed by an arthritic smash player with the intention of lessening hand pain while playing
@IAm-zo1bo2 жыл бұрын
@@MEEPdragon Okay, and now people without can master it very good
@rumfordc2 жыл бұрын
@Saxon Eyles thinking hand stretches are enough to prevent arthritis is one of the most mindnumbing takes ive heard in quite some time.
@Koppu1doragon2 жыл бұрын
The funny thing is the Boxx type controllers' reason for existing is why I'm not going to let my kids play videos very much if at all. I was given an Xbox to keep me out of my parent's hair and now my hands naturally curl like I'm holding a controller at all times, so that too.
@vladislavl.51032 жыл бұрын
Interesting video, though I do think controllers will always be expensive for the top quality. This definitely evens the playing field, hopefully controllers in the future can aim for durability and precise inputs going forward.
@OranguBANG2 жыл бұрын
Answer: because the melee community is the most elitist of all the smash communities and they don't like competition being easier for others As both a melee and ultimate player who loves melee I have to admit this. It's pretty toxic. It isn't just about controllers. It's about the elitist mindset of the community in general. If I offend anyone I'm sorry btw! Just my perspective on why things never change
@Echo_SSBM2 жыл бұрын
hey all understandable man, I also love both ult and melee and have the same thoughts as you.
@OranguBANG2 жыл бұрын
@@Echo_SSBM I played melee for.10+ years. Switched to ultimate but still watch melee content. It's funny to me because although jerks exist, like 1/100 people I come across in ultimate is a jerk. Most all are so supportive and nice. In melee chats when I post my melee clips I get judged etc. It's something I noticed
@OranguBANG2 жыл бұрын
@@Echo_SSBM it's the main reason I think hungrybox makes ultimate content too
@Echo_SSBM2 жыл бұрын
@@OranguBANG I've only just started playing melee, about 2 years now, ult for about 3 now, yeah I've noticed the clip critiquing to be kinda harsh when it comes to melee, ultimate it's just how it is really nothing to harshly critique about, although I'm more or less focused on the idea that top players just can't adopt simple qol changes such as 1.03, even though they've been proven to help by player feedback, they'd rather pay for a $500 controller than a $10 memory card/download that does the heavy work for you but still keeps it fair, I just don't get that of top players, course it'd be validating hax's opinions about what needs to change and they'd rather be stuck up in the a** than to actually listen to people, even if the angle hax was trying to come at was kinda weird, he still wanted to get his point across. I mean not all top players are like this but I feel a good portion of them are like this, plus I hate how changes are only implemented by top players opinions instead of a community poll (elitism how you explained it on your first comment) but this is just how I feel about the situation. my overall gripe I have with the melee community. also sorry for long comment lol
@OranguBANG2 жыл бұрын
@@Echo_SSBM because. They cry about the melee community dying but want to be a smug elitist where they're the only ones with the tools. They don't want any new people winning
@CinnamonOwO Жыл бұрын
This is not a video about why the goomey suck, this is a video about why 1.03 should be implemented.
@milesd0texe3852 жыл бұрын
Only thing I dont like about 1.03 is making shield dropping excessively easy. But the rest of the changes are fine. I think most people are just worried about it being sort of a slippery slope but Id be down
@Samuel-pc9rv2 жыл бұрын
Try shield dropping on a boxx pal
@T0moko20012 жыл бұрын
Shield dropping is easy
@IAm-zo1bo2 жыл бұрын
@@T0moko2001 Why make it easier
@T0moko20012 жыл бұрын
@@IAm-zo1bo How do you make it easier?
@IAm-zo1bo2 жыл бұрын
@@T0moko2001 By making the angles bigger with 1.03
@Chasardous2 жыл бұрын
I've met goomy and he's real a chill guy! That being said, you're absolutely correct in everything here.
@Supersmashtasm642 жыл бұрын
Goomy is a super nice guy, he is trying his best for the community, I love goomy
@matrixyst2 жыл бұрын
according to the team behind phobgcc, their aim was essentially to make something substantially less broken than the goomwave while being much more consistent and having significantly better longevity, and if that's actually how it pans out i can genuinely see controllers being in a good state in the near future imo all we need now is to straight up ban the sus goomwave stuff, slightly nerf the boxes - if not solely so that uninformed people will stop devaluing the wins of good players who use them - and make them all equal (seriously the smashbox is literally capable of more cheating than the goomwave and the f1 lack of pivot tilt and sdi nerfs is stupid), then make 1.03's ucf updates and global z jump remapping standard and we'll all be happy :) ...like that'll ever happen in this splintered, deeply tribal community though lmfao
@KayC2SLO2 жыл бұрын
only the smashbox is truly broken. F1 errs on the side of it, and b0xx has a shit-ton of nerfs to keep with evenness on the playing field. everyone just likes to discredit it because it's cheaper than the boomwave bs they bought
@banditoftheeast74882 жыл бұрын
You make a lot of solid points here. Too bad the community likely doesn't want to listen to alternative opinions. I haven't been keeping up with the scene as much, but it is nice to see you talk about non-melee drama related content, (even if this actually boils down to Hax not being accepted by the community). I look forward to seeing how your channel grows.
@Phelisreal2 жыл бұрын
wish I could talk to you personally about this subject. I feel like we could have a real good argument over ''why isn't 1.03 mainstream in top level already''
@Jack-ps2ic2 жыл бұрын
i completely agree…..are top players scared of getting outplayed more often once it’s an even gaming experience for everyone? Seems like they cry about the boxx, and 1.03 would make that crying illogical…..either they don’t want to lose their icy grip or just don’t care about the community as a whole. I think allowing boxxes, arduinos, UCF, were all MUCH larger, committal jumps in the timeline. I cannot understand why anyone hesitates to polish an already amazing advancement that will even the playing field.
@Lampaluile2 жыл бұрын
Washed top players with shit gatekeeping. And they justify notches cuz ilts the only way to make money
@BurstingBushidox2 жыл бұрын
Top players have already bought and spent money on controllers that work for them, which is why I don't think they advocate for the mod.
@Tripleyou2 жыл бұрын
Any top player will agree that those controllers only last so long and then they would have to buy more. What you are pointing out is not the reason the mod isnt being advocated for. It's mostly about introducing even more software mods to the game and how it's a slippery slope and how Nintendo will react to the whole scene using mods possibly closing down events etc. (btw Im all for 1.03/ucf 2.0)
@Bizzozeron2 жыл бұрын
obviously we should all be playing modded versions of the game at this point, but previously top players were just buying tons of controllers to find the best ones. Those controllers will always be legal at all events, and they will still have the advantage, so a modded controller being expensive isn't out of the question for the amount of purchases you'd have to go through anyway to buy them. (Not to mention old gamecube controllers go for like 70 dollars, and new ones simply have components)
@Alex-vm6ef2 жыл бұрын
great vid, totally agree, I am truly shocked to see so many people resistant to this change given the lack of good reasoning as to why
@SpectreXS2 жыл бұрын
Bro every time I hear "1.03", "dash out of crouch" and "1.0 cardinal" spoken by a mellow voice I lose my f-ing mind.
@thefranChise12 жыл бұрын
d a s h. out. of. crouch
@Lampaluile2 жыл бұрын
Man top player look so good when they play but custom controller isn't legit at all. It's because Melee has no money so they had to create ways to make money off of it. Should be banned and adopt 1.0.3 universal changes
@StockeTepes2 жыл бұрын
Honestly never thought I’d hear "Melee is pay to Win" lmao. This is unfortunate to find out though, hopefully 1.03 becomes the standard going forward
@georgewbush1522 жыл бұрын
hax was on the creation team so that means it wont become standard because figureheads dont like that he said he didn't like someone and that they may be bad for the smash community
@pauldiamondgoldmafia2 жыл бұрын
it isnt. ppl trying to frame their 1.03 cheerleading in marxist language are freakin bananas lmao
@DoomShrm2 жыл бұрын
@@georgewbush152 tbf what he did was much more than calling someone unlikeable. I think there was a point somewhere layered in those hours but there was too much bs shrouding it
@theratmaid2 жыл бұрын
Thought this was titled groomwave, smash community really does make me think the worst of humans
@ET-oq1vj2 жыл бұрын
hax is the nikola tesla of this community
@SheepHairOG2 жыл бұрын
a lot of 1.03 fixes are too lenient, in mine and a lot of people's opinions. Like being able to hold directly to the side and get perfect wavedashes is kind of whack, and tilt stick is also whack. And being able to determine which c stick inputs are tilts and which ones are smashes is even MORE whack. Like, marth being able to do d tilts, up tilts, and f smashes all with the c stick is stupid. 1.03 itself will likely never be standard, though some of it's changes may make their way into UCF and Slippi
@thefranChise12 жыл бұрын
None of those changes are in 1.03 TE
@justmehunter61962 жыл бұрын
As a goomwave owner I want 1.03 to be widely accepted
@Zinksk8er2 жыл бұрын
At this point all we'd need is a snap back capacitor.
@actuallynotsteve2 жыл бұрын
Because Melee has a semi-elitist player base overall that fully believes they're not, and thus they're fine with a $200 skill check/barrier for entry. If you're not serious about a 20 year old party game for kids you won't spend $200 on a controller for it. Simple.
@hightide96312 жыл бұрын
man controllers aren't even that important, if you haven't been playing for 4 years a goomwave wont help, melee is full of people who think they are better because they play melee but at the end of the day every game has that, also i do agree that pro level equipment is expensive but its literally only needed if you are trying to make money off of melee. My 3 year old ultimate gcc works fine, i dont need all of the mods because really at the end of the day if you just practice you can do as good as these modded controllers, i can guarantee that if i had a goomwave it wouldn't make me top 100 overnight, i hate how people think melee is this precise ass game that need GOD level controllers, it doesn't, just play better
@theabrandt61772 жыл бұрын
Chiming in two months later, I'm curious about your thoughts on the phobgcc? It's still more expensive than stock controllers, but modders could retrofit a controller for
@alexanderlane78637 ай бұрын
I thought highly of 1.03 until i learned that through testing, the changes to dash back out of crouch broke muscle memory (20 top players sampled) and messed up other inputs. We need to be careful when it comes to modding the game. But you're right, we also need to be careful with controller modifications too.
@ScoobyShooby Жыл бұрын
1.03 is not a stealth mod. You need to have no visual indicators whatsoever (even if it's hidden in the menus) that melee is being modded in order to not get tournaments shut down by Nintendo. So no big TOs will implement 1.03 in it's current state. & there is still some debate as to whether or not certain features like Z-Jump should be legal. & Most players can get to the top ten in their state with the same GCC they have sitting in a box at their mom's house from when they were 8years old. Getting a new un-modded Gamecube OEM controller, that is "good", will still cost a chunk of change. You can get a Phob controller board for cheaper than JP white OEM controllers and it takes like 30 mins of soldering to get a controller on par with the best controllers out there. Controllers being seen as "pay to win" was an issue that M2K was comllaining about wayyyu before the goomwave, Phob, or the B0xx ever came out. I'm all for implementing a better UCF, but there are somethings that UCF won't be able to offer (due to Nintendo being sue-happy cunts) that a modded controller will. That doesn't make it pay to win, it's pay to play. No different than needing to buy a CRT/monitor or a console/computer in order to play. The game was never "free to play" & good quality OEM Gamecube controllers are going to get more & more scarce. It's not unreasonable to imagine a future where non-worn out OEM controllers are more expensive than something like a goomwave.
@thefranChise1 Жыл бұрын
funnily enough, hax just announced 1.03 stealth edition sooooo...
@ScoobyShooby Жыл бұрын
@@thefranChise1 really? Ayyy
@Zimx022 жыл бұрын
That new open source controller seems to be the hardware solution of the ages. DIY to win. transferable skills.
@KayC2SLO2 жыл бұрын
imagine paying for an experience everyone should just have easy access to is that what buying a prostitute is like? :thinking:
@funnymonkeyxd14792 жыл бұрын
@@weilzudope He probably means the average person doesn't have a hard time hooking up with someone. Not that it's being gatekept. Now imagine that prostitutes were the ONLY way to get sex. That's the goomwave, baby.
@IAm-zo1bo2 жыл бұрын
Me just playing on my default gamecube
@paulking8124 Жыл бұрын
brilliant video, anyone who wants to make melee pay to win should be BANNED
@anime_disliker52892 жыл бұрын
PhobGC is a good alternative to use while the melee community still pussyfoots over implementing 1.03 for however long. The project is transparent and open source and if you have decent soldering skills you can make a controller superior to the goomwave for under $100
@trollof229antthevariable92 жыл бұрын
I thought Panda was gonna fix it guess well have to see about that now.
@pauldiamondgoldmafia2 жыл бұрын
for real!! i know it got postponed but is there more news on it?
@alecrutz9562 жыл бұрын
lmao just use the standard gamecube controller
@robertorobato17482 жыл бұрын
This channel needs to blow up!
@ARMTOAST2 жыл бұрын
yeah preferably with a pipe bomb
@ringotheflamingo69008 ай бұрын
1.0 cardinals are not all that they're cracked up to be, I remember a top player complaining that they stop you from being able to hold your stick all the to the side to edge cancel from the angel platform on some stages, you would have to hold back a little with 1.0. also, the speed difference is pretty slight
@edinsonsanchez55912 жыл бұрын
Groomwave team support channel is basically twitter. Huge issue considering they are very brittle and will block you for any reason. Rienne asked if we should allow hax back into the community, I said yes, and she blocked me. Phob is the future. 1.03 needs to fix its many issues such as bricking controllers before its taken any seriously.
@stayontrack2 жыл бұрын
Still miss the pre-ucf PAL in europe melee golden era
@jakezepeda12672 жыл бұрын
While a more accessible and affordable controller would be great. I feel like a lot of this stuff only matters if you are trying to reach top 100 or something. Plus melee is far from the only expensive hobby.
@hightide96312 жыл бұрын
yeah fr, melee dont need goomwaves unless you goated, even then you really can deadass just grind out the techs and play better
@rumfordc2 жыл бұрын
no it matters for pretty much everyone else, because the top 100 players already have expensive controllers.
@ericzaragoza13532 жыл бұрын
Let's chek this 1.03
@nateweinberg91212 жыл бұрын
I love my GC controller even though it’s shit
@MastaGambit9 ай бұрын
The best solution for everyone who enjoys being able to compete in a game without a significant financial barrier to entry -- and it's not one most are gonna wanna hear, but it needs to be said -- is to just ban all non-standard controllers, and all expensive or skilled hardware mods. Period. That's it. You're not gonna solve this dilemma otherwise. Either the gap between Melee and its players becomes wider and wider, or you close said gap, now and forever. As much as I don't particularily "like" this solution either, it's honestly a perfect one for an old game like Melee whose game mechanics exist completely within its own unique ecosystem. There's really no other game like Smash, except for its own clones.
@allanturmaine5496 Жыл бұрын
Hax was a fan of unmodded Melee in the past. The logical thing to do to spite him is to adopt 1.03.
@burburr85202 жыл бұрын
The short answer is because Hax$
@HS-su9pg2 жыл бұрын
I agree 1.03 might be the solution but I don't like that you act as if it's absurd to be hesitant to go all in on 1.03,it includes fundamental game changes and the community should have a discussion about adding it first
@thefranChise12 жыл бұрын
you're right, but the problem is that the discussion isn't even happening to begin with
@HS-su9pg2 жыл бұрын
@@thefranChise1 sadly a lot of the scene is controlled by people who don't like change but in time it will happen just like ucf was eventually used
@KnishG2 жыл бұрын
you should make a video on phobgcc. open source and not gatekept by the most arrogant and annoying modders in the community like… the other one. i think that 1.03 will be great as well considering it will elevate currently unviable and inconsistent oems to a more even playing field, but i still believe that hardware mods should still have a place because there is only so much you can do with analog filtering and no matter what software mods your using pode and other gcc inconsistencies will still be present.
@thefranChise12 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Even with 1.03 there will always be a place for controller mods. 1.03 just levels the playing field
@Noahtheorigianl2 жыл бұрын
I mean like valorant comp to buy 144hz monitors and the such instead of playing on a laptop, it makes sense, pro players in there respective games r gonna play spend big money
@MildlyOCD2 жыл бұрын
I'm not a melee player, but this is a problem with Ultimate as well. I bought a modded Pro Controller. A basic software mod without notches marks the controller up to $160. With notches, spring cuts, or other physical mods, the price goes up anywhere for $10-40 for EACH subsequent mod. My Pro Controller costed me $400. I understand that you have to upsell your stuff to make a profit, but that's still a lot for the average competitive player.
@M.J442 жыл бұрын
This video smells like cap...
@Shenkie2 жыл бұрын
The only reason for 1.3 not being implemented is the extra stuff that can be argued should not be legal. Imo z jump.
@ruikirisame17448 ай бұрын
as someone that players proper fighting games, smash is so backwards that i'm baffled. 150 buck for a custom motherboard + 125 for controller mods to compete at the highest level because everyone optimized the game to the point of cheating. no wonder they don't was this 1.03 think. i would be pushing back too if i was spending hundreds of dollars in costom controllers
@CrimsoniteSP2 жыл бұрын
I wanna say it's more than likely because we still want to stay in Nintendo's good graces. If they catch us doing mods that will literally fix the game, they'll shut us down. UCF is more on lower end of the spectrum as most major tournaments only run the vanilla game. I guarantee that if Nintendo just left their 20yr game alone, the entire community would be all for it.
@ChrisVickeryinajar2 жыл бұрын
i have been trying to buy my first modded controller for three years and i accept that i might not ever have that controller. period, no happy ending, welcome to melee.
@JustAaron942 жыл бұрын
"Why do we have to gatekeep functioning controllers behind a paywall?" - I have a few guesses as to why people in high places might want to do that lol. Money is one of them.
@tsrenis2 жыл бұрын
Ngl I don't think many tourneys are gonna be adding it Doesn't even seem like they even wanted to add UCF just cause of Nintendo being shitheads
@I_am_Dad_Son2 жыл бұрын
I play with a DualShock 4 and shit on 90% of people on unranked. Played for two years or so.Still use the same 2 controllers. No wear and tear problems gcc is synonymous for. And if the sticks get too loose and drift becomes a problem you can easily alter the dead zone. I’ve played melee for 2 years but was a fan of competitive melee for at least 7 or 8 years. I always thought that it being an old GameCube game that needed old and discontinued consoles controllers held it back from becoming a “legitimate “ esport. Doubly so when I figured out how finicky gccs are. A 400 dollar controller is good for 3-6 months? Get the fuck out of here with that nonsense. Once slippi arrived I was happy a barrier was broken and more people started playing melee. The only barrier that’s left is the controller issues. My ideal melee dreamworld is one where anyone can play on any controller akin to other competitive fighting games. Then it truly would be the closet thing to a sport that you could ask for in a video game
@diegomedina96372 жыл бұрын
I'm playing ultimate with a Dualsense and man does it feels good.
@leodexe2 жыл бұрын
Maybe because the Melee Elitists want the game to be Pay to Win so the same guys always win the same tournaments again and again?
@lewisbirkett44282 жыл бұрын
idk why nobody is talking about 1.03 it's fantastic and accessible to everyone, goomwaves are mad expensive, hardly anyone can get one and they're constantly breaking anyway and were allowed without any vetting.
@diegomedina96372 жыл бұрын
Because I've spent hundreds of dollars on this controller to stay ahead of the competition.
@blacklegtoddy22802 жыл бұрын
The game is 21 years old, people are really paying that much money for a control to a game they arent gonna go pro or win money in?
@damianwinston62822 жыл бұрын
$300 isn't a crazy amount for a game u love so much that you've been playing it since 01. it aint cheap but its not crazy either
@Brain-washed22 жыл бұрын
@@damianwinston6282 or you could just get 1.03 for a lot cheaper.. what. not to mention, controllers will eventually get worse overtime bc of moving parts. 1.03 skips over that.
@KayC2SLO2 жыл бұрын
@@Brain-washed2 yes and no. if your controller develops a lot of degradation, you're not gonna get saved for whiff directional inputs. it helps, but it's not the full answer
@Brain-washed22 жыл бұрын
@@KayC2SLO i think you need to read what you type before you hit send. but how is 1.03 or something like it not an ideal answer to any potential controller issues?
@KayC2SLO2 жыл бұрын
@@Brain-washed2 because that's exactly what it's not. when stickboxes wear out and supply wears thin, it's pretty much over, so i think you need to see the bigger picture here edit: i don't mean it's not an ideal answer, just that, it's the step in the right direction to one, and is currently the best bet towards an even playing field 1.03 doesn't skip over it, hence "yes, and no", inherent issues are still relevant
@aerpods2 жыл бұрын
I’m gonna win a supermajor with a madcatz controller whilst maining bowser
@wunderwaffefries2 жыл бұрын
Please make 1.03 happen guys come on
@joevader102 жыл бұрын
Melee is the most gatekept game I've every tried to get into.
@diegomedina96372 жыл бұрын
Yeah no wonder Nintendo looks down on the competitive smash community.
@ChamplooMusashi2 жыл бұрын
In the amount of time it takes to become proficient at melee to the point where your controller gating your ability to improve you can probably afford to get a modded controller. It's not the problem you're trying to describe where just learning to play melee in your local scene you'll need to fork over tons of money for a good controller - your skill is going to be the problem not the controller (yes a perfect controller will help but all you need is a good enough controller). That isn't a reason against 1.03 but it's disingenuous to drive the story that you need to pay 100s of dollars just to start playing melee, which also isn't helpful for growth in the scene. This video also doesn't seem as researched tbqh as your others, would have liked to hear you try to find some points of contention in 1.03 as there obviously are some if you look through some of the other comments.
@chetkeyston1472 жыл бұрын
Yes, most people who are serious about Melee will be able to cough up money the more invested they get into it, just like any hobby, but why exactly should this be the standard if there's an obvious potential solution to alleviate these issues staring the community right in the face that nobody seems to want to address, or even discuss? Especially considering modded controllers are never a one-and-done situation. Potentiometers have to be replaced, notches have to be maintained, etc. Even the maintenance on a goomwave is high. In an admittedly dying game, it's only going to drive off new people even more when the skill barrier to catch up to is so high in conjunction with the fact that the modern metagame largely involves tech that controller lottery plays a part in. Like just imagine for a second that you're a new player getting into the game, you're learning about how important shield drops are, and then find out that even with UCF, your controller is bad at them and now you have to play the controller lottery and buy new ones on ebay until you find one that feels good, or buy a custom controller. That, or just know that you're always at a perpetual disadvantage. It's demoralizing to be in such a situation. It's a bigger slap in the face when modded controllers still remain largely unregulated and allow for huge advantages like button remapping and virtual notches/perfect angles. I really don't understand why your justification for any of this would be "but skill plays a larger part than your controller", which is true, but you really are downplaying just how much of an advantage a good controller can give you. And even then, how much money you sink into the damn hardware should play a minimal role in the game regardless of what level of play you're at. Yes, to act like Melee 1.03 is perfect in its current state as of right now or that makes every controller pefect would be silly, but none of the problems can be addressed if the community never opens up any discussion around it, or at the very addresses why 1.03 is not being trialed when premium controller manufacturers get more and more brazen with the features they add and still face hardly any objections from TOs.
@dataman63102 жыл бұрын
I disagree strongly with the idea that Melee is P2W, or at least that you need to spend $200 just to compete. The vast majority of the playerbase aren't vying for majors, nor are they any better than pre-UCF top 100 players. Think about it, could you beat anyone on the 2016 Top 100? They were all playing without controller mods and are still better than most people today. "Oh but they had to buy dozens of controllers to get a perfect one" yeah only the top 10 or so actually did that. The idea that 0-2ers need to worry about perfect ledgedashes and boxx-level SDI instead of good fundamentals and neutral is frankly ridiculous and harmful to player development.
@stayontrack2 жыл бұрын
It still is p2w for us at the mid to higher levels of play, and in Europe it is not so easy to get a phob or other cheater controllers.
@Skapes112382 жыл бұрын
1.03 will never be used unless we want Nintendo to C&D with every tourney using it. Nintendo does not care about controller modding however.
@MetaKnight682 жыл бұрын
UCF is already a software mod to the game though
@XenonAgenT012 жыл бұрын
Bring back old melee with oem only and no ucf. You don’t see these nerds complaining about random phantoms do they but they want an easier shield drop and ledgedash notches. Pathetic. Shit wouldn’t slide back then
@thefranChise12 жыл бұрын
honestly goated comment LMAO
@morsecode7622 жыл бұрын
On an unrelated sidenote, id love to see you talk about open-source controllers, such as what the PhobGCC and Crane's Lab discords have.
@IAm-zo1bo2 жыл бұрын
We go back to vanilla melee and DEAL WITH IT
@diegomedina96372 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah, if Vanilla melee was this magical game why are people even bothering with all these modification? Is it because melee isn't as perfect as the community wants you to believe?
@Supersmashtasm642 жыл бұрын
I wonder if the discussion will pivot to people being against the Panda controller when it release.
@Rydlan8 ай бұрын
125 dollars to sand down some notches lmfao these broke college students were trynna SCAM SCAM LMAOO
@ParatroopaParanoid2 жыл бұрын
#HaxWasRight
@TheMom12352 жыл бұрын
Bruh i started playing like 10 months ago and i still dont know why Hax is banned. Like tf he do bruh. I check out his channel and its just full of reslly interesting tech and concepts. It seems to me that he has only done good things for the community and progressing the game to a higher level.
@BloomNeedle2 жыл бұрын
No disrespect intended, english is not my first language: hax was going with a story about leffen in which he used a lot of comparisons, don't know if they're still up. I think that's the sole reason. But he might have apologized since. U can definitely look it up :) In my honest opinion hax seemed like he was in a place of bad mental health and made some horrible comparisons with leffen. But what He's right about is 1.03 and the principle of a UCF 2.0. Hope this helped, have a great day
@isayahjenkins89222 жыл бұрын
Greg turbo joke was nice
@bigguy31232 жыл бұрын
it's not that big of a deal. I think all the effort and knowledge gained building, maintaining, and integrating the goom is amazing for the community's longevity and depth the advantages u gain are super minor, the major issues were already addressed in UCF and now we're scraping the bottom of the barrel-- definitely not enough negatives to kill the goomwave imo
@0mnis14sh2 жыл бұрын
I see no issues with 1.03 other than Nintendo itself, but UCF poses the same problem so why not continue adopting innovations
@BeeBN2 жыл бұрын
they're gatekeeping it because they already paid for an expensive controller and want an advantage over other that they paid for
@Top10-z8c Жыл бұрын
whats the status quo with this now?
@Zinksk8er2 жыл бұрын
I'm still vouching for phob, but 1.03 + phob is butter.
@nocilol30002 жыл бұрын
phobs could have no features other than the magnetic sticks, and I'd still say they're worth it. Potentiometers suck.
@pauldiamondgoldmafia2 жыл бұрын
too many people replying to the same comment so im just start a new one. if goomwave is 150 or 300 that isnt a big deal. they stopped making gamecube what year? 07? 08? 09? getting a controller thats still good enough after all this time will cost $$
@thefranChise12 жыл бұрын
Let me put it this way: A modded controller will cost around 4 times as much as a regular one. 1.03 gives your regular controller the power of a modded one for free, yet almost nobody advocates for 1.03. That’s what I mean by gatekeeping
@TapDat52K2 жыл бұрын
I’m sorry, this feels stupid and a bit like gatekeeping @Jason Jones How’s the community suppose to grow if it can’t even give the tools to potential new players, at an affordable rate? Melee already has a low return on investment issue for anyone not in the top 50, anything we can do to make it easier for casuals and the future veterans of the game to get into it now, should be top priority. We love Melee despite it being broken. We should be willing to fix some of it’s flaws and make it more competitively entertaining to watch and more accessible to play at higher levels.
@dal42682 жыл бұрын
It’s optional but it’s a mandate in top level play
@chungboislim20612 жыл бұрын
Melee has become so political I don't even play or watch anymore. I started getting into 3rd Strike and it's honestly a lot better in many ways. The game actually works for one.
@killercore0072 жыл бұрын
The issue I find with 3rd strike is that parrying can drift into gatekeeping at times, and that tends to be an even more tier whoring environment than Melee.
@chungboislim20612 жыл бұрын
@@killercore007 People in this scene call everything gatekeeping lol. I don't really see how parrying is gatekeeping. Gatekeeping is when there are impossible barriers to entry such as having a few controllers that actually work and only selling them to already established players. Anybody can learn to parry on a keyboard or whatever controller they decide to use.
@chungboislim20612 жыл бұрын
@@killercore007 As for the tiers comment, that's not really true at all. At a very beginner level, Chun Li is kind of ridiculous since her normals are busted, but once players learn some basic combos it's not insurmountable. There are many top players that represent literally every character. Obviously the top tiers are used more often especially in a tournament setting, but it's not like melee where 2/3rds of the cast has never been in a top 8.
@charlzthedrummer Жыл бұрын
Please not let melee turn into ultimate as a pay to win game
@murpdirt2 жыл бұрын
I love the jab to Greg Turbo about his work productivity.
@ARMTOAST2 жыл бұрын
he can’t do anything but sit on his hands until the chip shortage ends. it’s affecting a ton of industries. it’s not like he has a ton of boards laying around waiting for him to assemble into full units. he released Open Frame1 to give people an option while we wait for the shortage to end
@error41592 жыл бұрын
You put it on super thicc. $150 isn't a lot of money.
@thefranChise12 жыл бұрын
Ur gonna play melee on just the motherboard?
@error41592 жыл бұрын
@@thefranChise1 I was referring to the box controller you mentioned. Maybe you should watch your video, lol
@thefranChise12 жыл бұрын
@@error4159 or maybe you could say more than just “$150” and I’d actually know what you’re talking about Also if you watched the video, you’d know the frame1 is impossible to buy
@TheButterRoyale Жыл бұрын
It's because hax's name is on the fix.
@chungboislim20612 жыл бұрын
The melee scene has become a bunch of tribal GenZ Tiktokers. The whole controversy boils down to a mob of children who hate Hax for mentioning dictators and so he must be cancelled. It's obvious that 1.03 is an improvement over UCF. You're wasting your time trying to convince a mob who doesn't care about the merits of the mod, only that they aren't also perceived as a bad guy for associating themselves with Hax.
@IAm-zo1bo2 жыл бұрын
I just don't want the community to divide and have multiple standards competing against each other. I think people need to just play instead of looking at every problem
@NickKrishnan2 жыл бұрын
speaking TRUTH
@michaelxv2032 жыл бұрын
got a n3z controller and a goomwave. Been using them for a year+ and it helps a lot kinda sucks but its just the way it is tbh. Don't think nintendo will be up for 1.03
@Frank74892 жыл бұрын
Which one is better?
@michaelxv2032 жыл бұрын
@@Frank7489 n3z controller ive been a bit uncomfortable with but it definitely is "Faster"(meaning the controller feels smooth). The goomwave remapping is nice because Z jump is definitely a level up. N3z makes quality stuff with whatever customization you want and is willing to work with you non stop constantly. Goomwave is just a controller with a bit of modding and button mapping.
@Koppu1doragon2 жыл бұрын
Because then how till Goomers trash all the new players if they don't have a 500 dollar headstart?
@algar66162 жыл бұрын
Pay to win is catchy But let’s be honest
@TravisOuttaHell2 жыл бұрын
This is pure speculation. This is NOT the truth more or less a theory. What if goom is paying off TO's to not use v 1.03 so he can make more money off the goomwave? That would be insane.
@Aaroning2 жыл бұрын
my awnser is nepatism
@supersonicstyleatsonicspeed2 жыл бұрын
I understand that this is unrelated, but do you know what is the current status of the lawsuit between ZeRo and Jisu?
@astolfostrikesback40732 жыл бұрын
You should probably ask technicals about that
@supersonicstyleatsonicspeed2 жыл бұрын
@@astolfostrikesback4073 He's being radio silent on that probably because he's being called as a witness.
@astolfostrikesback40732 жыл бұрын
@@supersonicstyleatsonicspeed oh shit that might be the case, well, we just have to wait
@supersonicstyleatsonicspeed2 жыл бұрын
@@astolfostrikesback4073 DAMMIT! I am so impatient when it comes to this. I understand we just have to wait, but still. I wish there was more information we could know about.
@GSEleven2 жыл бұрын
@@supersonicstyleatsonicspeed There are channels called, "Crows of Judgement" and, "Toy Bounty Hunters" specifically the second channel I named who are covering the lawsuit.