27. The Roman Empire and Nebuchadnezzar's Vision

The dream of a statue described in Daniel 2 provides an insight into the nature of the great Gentile empires that would span the time from Daniel to the coming of Messiah. Most prominent among the empires was the last of them, described as iron mixed with clay, an apt representation of the Roman world into which the Messiah was born, and during which the Christian movement began. For more free resources. please visit www.brucegore.com.

[@bluesky6985]

One of the greatest deceptions ever pulled was convincing the world that the Roman and British empires fell

[@656trav]

Dr. Gore, Thank you for your educational ministry of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the History of God's people. I believe your work is a treasure for God's people and a resource for any person interested in history. I am an early riser and 5 AM usually finds me in your lecture hall. Thanks again and God bless you.Travis BarlowSoperton, Georgia

[@GoreBruce]

+656trav Many thanks for your kind and encouraging words!

[@johnboateng184]

656trav I agree!

[@angelakatsapas7894]

I,too, ahree.

[@antoniomunjiza5707]

Indeed. Amazing how accurate Daniel is. This has been explained by Dr Ben Vatican in his book titled the prophetic perspective on covid19.

[@jamellfoster6029]

Thank You Lord for the Stone that the builders rejected... Thank You for grafting us into that Stone's Quarry... I may now call You Abba Father... Hallelujah...

[@peaceful263]

I'm diggin' this entire series. This is my second go round! Thank you for your time in doing this thing. You are tha man! May the Lord continue to bless you and yours.

[@antoniomunjiza5707]

Also read the prophetic perspective on covid19 by Dr Ben Vatican

[@treviswamuthenya6111]

Dr. Gore I treasure you sooooooooo much. What your teaching really helps me know about God in a really deep level...

[@GoreBruce]

Thank you! ...and God's richest blessings as you seek to know and serve our Lord!

[@galin95]

@@GoreBruce Bible only speaks about Kings over Israel. SO Head is Babylon. Chest is Persia, Stomach is Greece, Legs is Rome. 10 Toes is 1948, United Nations who gave life to Israel. Remember 10 in Bible means Whole, The whole world ie United nations.

[@peterplumbley9067]

Thank you Bruce, I have followed you for many months now, in London, England, and every time I have learnt something new. Bless you and your family for providing all this great content for free.

[@GoreBruce]

Thank you! That is very encouraging!

[@macb.43]

What a blessing to have been promoted to seek out this vital breakdown for historical context which shines light and understanding of our Saviour.

[@helenekabutz6407]

Absolutely wonderful explication- thank you so much Rev Gore 😇😀

[@robertcain3426]

In regard to the feet, the mixture of iron and clay is a brittle mix because it is a mixture of Rome (the iron) and the rest of the world (the clay). The legs were pure Rome (legs of iron), however, the feet were a mix of kingdoms along with the ten toes (the ten kings/kingdoms).

[@AMTECHMECH]

I really enjoy these lectures....thanks for your insight.

[@GoreBruce]

Thank you!

[@jadedmastermind]

I have a slightly different interpretation of the statue, but I focus on who rules the Hebrews, rather than on gentile world powers. To that end the head of gold remains the Babylonian Empire, and the silver arms and chest being the Medes and Persians uniting into and forming the Achaemenid (Persian) Empire the key visual being two becoming one. The brass belly and thighs have as their key visual one dividing into two: so the empire of Alexander the Great is divided into the two Greek kingdoms that would vie for rule over Judea: Ptolemaic Egypt and the Seleucid Empire being the two brass thighs. It is here that my interpretation breaks from the historical consensus. What ended the Seleucid Empire’s control over Judea was not the Roman Empire, but the Maccabean Revolt and with it the creation of the Hasmonean Kingdom of Judea. It is this that is the legs of iron. Incidentally, Rome actually congratulated the Hasmoneans for their successful revolt against Antiochus Epiphanes. The feet of iron and clay is Judea after Herod the Great usurped the throne for himself. Iron and clay don’t bond, and this is clearly evident in the resistance of the Jews to Roman governance and jurisprudence. Here I return to Jesus Christ as the rock that smashes the statue “at its feet,” as Jesus prophesied the destruction of Jerusalem, the Temple, and its builders. I’d add that I imagine the rock is no ordinary rock, but a pure, glittering diamond: a precious gem. I think that’s a much more noble and fitting image than that of an ordinary rock. Not only that, but you can't cut a diamond with iron, you cut iron with a diamond! Just as nothing can cut a diamond, so no human power can prevail against the Lord. Those are my thoughts.

[@debbieward9732]

I think you could be right and Josephus speaks of how the Zealots had 10 Generals and three of them were taken away and another rose in their place. Eventually a couple of them tried to pass themselves off as The Messiah and did some pretty awful things in the temple up to its destruction in AD70. I still have to read a bit more of what those men did in the Zealot uprising though I do think you could be right about the fourth kingdom being the one you say. It was also Jerusalem and The Temple that was crushed to powder and also set aflame and disappeared like Daniel said.

[@jamellfoster6029]

AMEN...

[@stickemuppunkitsthefunlovi4733]

No diamond. Jesus was a simple rock.

[@jadedmastermind]

@@stickemuppunkitsthefunlovi4733 A diamond is a type of rock, and it’s the hardest known rock on earth. Just as nothing can cut a diamond, so nothing can prevail against the Will of God.

[@eswn1816]

@@jadedmastermind Technically, a diamond is not a rock as it is pure carbon: "A rock is made from two or more minerals. ... Scientists guess that the Earth contains about 4,000 different minerals. The diamond is the Earth's hardest mineral. A diamond is so hard that it's possible to cut a diamond with another diamond."

[@jamesking8241]

I always Invision the 2 arms( of the torso) as the medo-persian powers merging as 1...

[@genesiskeglar6372]

I have always gone to churches that have a strong dispensational eschatology. I have never seen their view as being very cohesive due to the fact that you would never believe what they do unless you were taught it, or indoctrinated. It doesn't appear to emerge from a plain reading of scripture. In light of that, I am in no hurry to adopt another system of eschatology but I am enjoying the process of entertaining the different viewpoints. Currently I am reading "The last days according to Jesus" by R.C. Sproul and another book by an extreme post tribulation guy concerning the rapture. There is a lot to take in before deciding on a view for yourself.

[@GoreBruce]

My philosophy has tended to be, "Never firmly adopt a theological position until the Bible paints you into that corner, and you can't escape!" Thanks for the feedback, and blessings in your pursuit of God's truth, my friend!

[@genesiskeglar6372]

Bruce Gore God bless you too Bruce and thanks for the videos, They are very helpful to me !

[@genesiskeglar6372]

Bruce Gore And I agree with that philosophy.

[@jamesdinallo236]

i too am reading sproul. i agree with you when you say: "...they do unless you were taught it, or indoctrinated. It doesn't appear to emerge from a plain reading of scripture."

[@paulgarduno2867]

​@@jamesdinallo236it may be you haven't read through the whole scripture, so you can't see it. I noticed that reform theology preachers have no explanation about , the nation of Israel and current events.

[@dr.handychandra6485]

Interesting Lecture. Remind me a book of Daniel by Jerry Vines. GB you Dr. Gore

[@user-sg9rx2vj8d]

Love this one!!!

[@gilgalbiblewheel6313]

Concerning the stone which was cut and rolled and hit the statue Jesus died on the hill. Simon was called Peter or Cephas, meaning a stone who first preached on Acts 2 to the Jews who came from the 4 kingdoms mentioned in Daniel 2. Peter was the first to preach to Cornelius a centurion and the Gentiles. But then Saul (meaning desire) who was also known as Paul (meaning little). So putting Peter and Paul together we get "Little stone". The book of Acts began in Jerusalem and ended with Paul in Rome.

[@vaeshethblade931]

Nope, that is almost 100% wrong. You have the little details like Jesus nicknamed Simon "Rock", Paul means little, and who preached what sermons, but Jesus explained the rock cut out without hands which became His kingdom, built without hands, in Matt 16. The Kingdom was built on the fact/rock that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God. If you could garner proof that that fact is not a fact, the Church/Kingdom would collapse. That one point is truly the foundation of the Church. Not Peter, you can take him away and still have the Church. Not Paul, you can take him away and also still have the Church. Take Christ away, and there is no Kingdom. Jesus is the Rock in this statue, the rest is just circumstantial evidence which amounts to a red herring.

[@gilgalbiblewheel6313]

@@vaeshethblade931 Peter and Paul are shadows of Jesus Christ. It's the gospel that they preached which caused changes up to Rome.

[@Vetforlife]

@BruceGore, has it ever been considered that the four part kingdom statue might have (time implications) in it as well in regards to it’s dress? I’m not sure exactly which kingdoms went from greatest to least (dates) but I just wanted to throw that out there for you to chew on please.

[@shellyblanchard5788]

His kingdom had already come.🤗

[@ram09568]

Joshua 5:13 & Jeremiah 9:23-24

[@warrenlaidlaw6414]

i believe the toes are the kingdoms in Rev

[@GoreBruce]

Interesting!

[@spiritofelijah5386]

Yes they are the same, John has more revelation of Daniels vision. The antichrist subdues 3 of the 10 toes, horns., making him the 8th in rev 17v11

[@redcolt777]

Very good analysis, but here is an alternate view on the feet of iron and clay. God through his prophets describes Israel as clay. The final empire that ruled Israel at the time of the Crucifixion was partly strong (Iron- Rome) and partly weak ( Clay- Herodian monarchy).

[@GoreBruce]

Interesting thought!

[@vaeshethblade931]

Even at the time of Christ Rome was making alliances and arbitrarily making cities or areas a part of Rome. Take Saul of Tarsus for instance. Tarsus sent aid to Rome during battle and the emperor rewarded their help by making them a Roman province. Paul, of the stock of Benjamin, a Pharisee of Pharisees was a Roman citizen by birth just because of the city in which he was born. If you look at an ancient map, Rome was peppered throughout its surrounding area. The iron mixed with clay is a really vivid and accurate picture of how Rome operated and what ultimately led to its downfall.

[@elizabeths4371]

My thoughts coincide with yours: The clay represents apostate Israel, which mixed and mingled with Rome and held a 'favored nation' status with each of the Caesars from Augustus to Nero. The Bible also speaks at great length of rebellious Israel as the lump of clay on the Potter's wheel, which refused to obey the LORD and chose instead to follow and make friends with The World. At JESUS' trial, Israel declared in open court, that they "had no king but Caesar"; coupling monotheistic Israel to polytheistic Rome! Therefore at CHRIST's resurrection when the Stone strikes its lethal blow and pulverizes each militarized kingdom into dust; it occurs right on the heels of the Jews choosing Caesar over MESSIAH- apostate Jerusalem as the clay in bed with Rome and/or the Harlot riding the Beast.

[@redcolt777]

@@vaeshethblade931 wow. Interesting

[@redcolt777]

@@elizabeths4371 awesome

[@paulgarduno2867]

The objective reality is that : 1) The church is not growing ( is rather lukewarm) 2) Jerusalem must be trodden of the gentiles (as we see it) until the times of the gentiles be fulfilled. Luke 21:24 3) The LORD said to my Lord , sit thou at my right hand UNTIL, I make thine enemies thy footstool. Psalm 110:1 Hebrews 1:13

[@RosesandLace]

"We think this is a Bad Thing but the Bible says it's a good thing, so here's how we can get the Bible to say that it is actually kinda Bad" What a blessing to not be a protestant anymore.

[@Okieshowedem]

Father YAHweh is Spirit we must worship Father YAHweh in Spirit and in TRUTH.

[@jadedmastermind]

Some additional thoughts on the diminishing of metals down the statue. The Hebrews had great prophets during the rule of Nebuchadnezzar: Jeremiah, Isaiah, Ezekiel, and Daniel to guide them, and Daniel was Nebuchadnezzar’s most trusted advisor, hence the gold. Under the Persians, there lived lesser prophets, but the rulers were favorably disposed towards the Hebrews and there was peace in Judea, hence the silver. However, Malachi, the last old testament prophet also lived and died under Persian dominion. The brass signifies the absence of prophets, but that the temple priesthood is still in Aaron’s line, until the time of Antiochus Epiphanes. The Iron is because the temple priesthood is illegitimate and comes under Hasmonean control. The Iron and Clay signifies the waywardness and degeneracy of the Temple priesthood during the life of John the Baptist, Jesus Christ, and the Apostles up to the destruction of the Temple.

[@GoreBruce]

Interesting hypothesis. Thank you!

[@jadedmastermind]

@@GoreBruce You're welcome! Your own thoughts have enriched my understanding of the symbolism of the statue, so the feeling is mutual.

[@danfarrand9072]

The legs of iron, represent the power that comes from blood and iron. The Roman ideal. Discipline, mass production of iron implements, armor, gladis, javelin, tactics and maneuver, the Roman idea that has dominated western thinking for 2000 years. The 2 legs are significant as the eastern and western empires. The length of the legs speak of time. The feet of clay and the 10 toes speak to the emergence from the Roman idea of the "modern" nation states of Europe in the last 200 years. Dominating the world, but wracked by internal strife that has resulted in 2 great wars and the death of 100 million from those wars. The feet and toes speaks to a shorter time period or the end where military power has moved away from iron to clay or silicon pointing to the rise of informatiion processing as the decisive mode of war and now to a day where we are today.

[@BevIsrael]

You kinda sound like Ironman, Robert Downey Jr. ☺️ Anyway, thanks for the preaching! Sort of trying to understand where we are now in the present time with this.

[@seandmoore6922]

Solid. It is sad that many in the church today believe in Dispensationalism.

[@Thea_MojaveOutliersWhipmakers]

"...the lone and level sands stretch far away."

[@Jeremiah1619]

Read the book the four winds of Heaven! Everything you need to know!

[@jaredvaughan1665]

The two legs represent the division of the Roman empire into east and west in 395.

[@dennisclark554]

The gentile world authority is not to be removed by a "little innocuous unexpected pebble". It is a great stone to become head of the corner of the pyramid world government described in Acts 4:11.

[@Jeremiah1619]

❤IOG two mountains of brass ❤ House of Jacob last three battles The rest of it with more clarity.

[@Michaelfrikkie]

This is an amazing series, Thank you for witnessing about God's Kingdom. I think it might be wrong to assume Christ's first coming and the beginning of the Kingdom of God to be the destruction of the statue. I agree that Christ is the inauguration of God's Kingdom. I would propose that until Christ's second coming we will live in the age of the "Feet of Iron and Clay" The Kingdom of God in this view is the clay, the leaven, the mustard tree, the city on a hill, in the midst of pagan imperial intentions, which we still experience even today in mixed format of pagan authority and God's Kingdom - "the age of iron and clay", and itself maintain the "philosophies of power" as depicted by the statue itself. Apart from this I also hold to all post-millennialist outlooks on the prophecies of the Bible. We might be in this age of iron and clay for the next 5,000 years, and always preaching the gospel, and be ready for Christ's second coming.

[@paulgarduno2867]

I don't see a description in the Bible telling us that Jesus Christ became King immediately after His ascension to heaven. What I find is ; 1Timothy 2:5 "Jesus Christ is the only Mediator between God and men"

[@GoreBruce]

Ephesians 1:20-21, for one example.

[@warriorwarrior2937]

JESUS CHRIST was born A/The KING...HE didn't become KING for HE was "BORN" The KING...❤ Matthew 2:2 “Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.”

[@mayeerahbrits9160]

The end of this video is a very good idee

[@tinab1200]

Awesome!

[@jonson856]

I just noticed a few videos back I answered on a comment wrong by giving the wrong descprition of the statue ://///

[@dcrunicycles]

Thank you.

[@-kepha8828]

God said the followers of the BEAST will do away with the biblical holy days and Gods law. But that the followers of Him will keep his holy days and law. Christians, which one are you? Hmm

[@vaeshethblade931]

The problem you have with your interpretation, is that you are taking a statement made to Christians in Revelation, and applying it to the Law that God had already removed. The followers of the Beast would be changing the New Law, not the Old Law. In Jerimiah 31 God promised to take away the Old Law. In Psalm 118 the stone which the builders rejected became the head cornerstone. How can that happen? How can a stone left behind by the builders become the most important stone in the house? There's only one way that can happen. A different builder put it in a different house. That is Jesus' point in Matt 21: 33-46. God changed the Law BEFORE He told of those who would try to change what He had done. Your objection to Christianity is based on your ignorance of God's Word, and I don't mean that in a mean or derogatory way, I mean it in its most literal form: lack of knowledge. You can fix that by reading it. I highly recommend reading Hebrews as the theme of that letter is: Better. The New Law is better, the Law Giver is better, the Priesthood is better, literally everything is better, so, why would you want to go back to that which was inferior? Those who seek to undo what God has done in Christ subscribe to the beast, not those who turn from Judaism to Christ.

[@-kepha8828]

@@vaeshethblade931 there ain't 1 single verse ANYWHERE that says the law is done away with, for anyone. Yet there are 10 direct verses straight quotes from God, that say the law is never ending and never changing, and there are 3 verses that directly say "the same law that is for the native born Israelite, is the same law for the foreigner". Fact, end of discussion satan.

[@TK-qu1ht]

Wonderous!

[@antoniomunjiza5707]

The feet signify different epoch as explained by Dr Ben Vatican in his book titled the prophetic perspective on covid19.

[@guate4]

You should give a theological explanation of the statue instead.

[@shellyblanchard5788]

Jesus has already put all of his enemies under his feet. He said heaven is his throne and the earth is his foot stool. He has conquered the dead of the law. Jesus said he is the ressurection and the life.

[@photosynthesis69]

Why is/was Egypt not represented in the statue? Long lasting civilization/kingdom? which has some significance to the Bible at least with Moses and the Exodus. Especially since we often associate Egypt with gold anyways.

[@GoreBruce]

The image in Daniel is showing the Gentile powers that dominated from the time of Daniel to the time of Rome. Egypt was not a dominate power in that time-frame, but much earlier.

[@kingkashi5151]

Because Daniel interpreted the head of Gold to be Nebuchadnezzar and the Babylonian Empire. Egypt by this time was not and would never be a world power again but rather a vassal state of other empires.

[@ram09568]

I wonder if Aristotle heard of David?

[@GoreBruce]

Not likely, David was 600 years earlier.

[@mayeerahbrits9160]

Not good that this video can not be dawnloaded

[@dominicmoorhouse5143]

The problem with Gore's analysis is that he interprets only 4 empires. The Feet of iron AND clay is separate - it continues the satanic empires through the Roman (4th) to the Roman Catholic (5th). It cannot end with Christ's first Advent... but with his 2nd. That is patently the case because the Roman Empire didn't end until 400 years after Jesus's resurrection... at which point the title of Pontifex Maximus (which the caesar's had assumed) transferred to the papacy - the same title that had transferred down through the empires from the Chaldean Babylonian Kings (@Pontifex is after all the pope's twitter handle - they're telling us!) Finally Nebukaddnessar's stature represents all the elements of our modern world, from Babylonian religion, Medo-Persian money, Greek philosophy and science, Roman gladiatorial distractions & military power, and finally Roman Catholic Church and State canon law, soul ownership and control. We live to this day in the construct of all 5 empires, building on the previous - and the statue is being dismantled now in our current world, as the tribulation of these end times continue. The Rock hits the 5th Empire not the 4th. Once one accepts identifying this final Empire of the Vatican Antichrist (the little horn power), it becomes easier to point the finger at the Jesuits as the miscreants running this realm now (with the UN world split in to 10 areas - the toes are important), until the end. That admission however requires moral courage. God bless.

[@dominicmoorhouse5143]

Gore also make a bold statement supporting the Heliocentric Model (the Jesuit-Freemasonic construct). The Bible of course offers the Truth: stationary under the firmament... kzbin.info/www/bejne/maPEpHuPaq12mqs

[@-kepha8828]

What do Rome and modern day self proclaiming Christian's have in common? Both HATE, reject, rebell against, and did away with Gods holy days and law! God said in Daniel 7:25 that the Beast would do this very thing. . . .hmm.

[@nortfroggirl]

I've been all over the place regarding this issue concerning old testament laws. Jesus said to keep 2 commandments...I believe it doesn't matter what day we set aside for public worship concerning Holy days we are not to judge. Jesus Christ fulfilled every type & shadow the old testament pointed to ! There's so much to say about this subject. May God bless you as you seek the Lord with all your heart and love and obey Him as He leads!

[@-kepha8828]

@@nortfroggirl Jesus said to only keep 2 commandments did he? Did you know that the VERY NEXT SENTENCE of that verse you quoted, literally says "and ALL THE LAW and prophets hang on these 2 commandments"? Ypu are 100% trying to enter through the wide path. I wonder how that will work out? I can always tell the lazy ones who do not know scripture, because they copy and paste the trigger verses, which they have 100% taken out of context. Like you did. You even said that we dont have to obey the bibke, because Jesus "fulfilled" everything. Are you this lazy? The word "fulfilled" as translated in your english bible, comes from the Greek word "plarahoo". Plarahoo means "to fully preach", and plarahoo is later translated in the book of Roman's 13 as "fully preach" instead of the wrong translation of "fulfill".

[@vaeshethblade931]

@@-kepha8828 You need to read Hebrews or anything written by Paul. What Jesus said was, "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." (Matt 5: 17-18) Until all be fulfilled. The entirety of the Law and the Prophets was fulfilled in Christ, at which point, the Law changed. The end of Heb 8 and the beginning of 9 quote from Jeremiah 31 to show that the Old Covenant has been replaced with a better one. God didn't just pull the carpet out from under everyone, he gave us a bigger, prettier, better carpet. In this context of 'out with the old and in with the new' the writer says, "Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant" in Heb 9: 4. It is not a coincidence that he names the ark of the COVENANT and the TABLES OF THE COVENANT in this "the old COVENANT is dead and passing away" context. He could have said, tables of the Law, but he didn't. He lumped the tables in with that which is Old and dead. So, now that we are under a New Covenant with a New Law, can we commit adultery since the tables were done away? That's a good question, but we can't answer it by going to the Old Contract, we have to go to the latest version, handed down by Christ Himself (see Hebrews chapter 1). Paul writes, "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God." (I Cor 6: 9-11) Again, God did not just yank the Law out from under us, He gave us a new and better Law. It is also not an amended Old Law. It is an all new, all inclusive Law. Anything not found in it was left out intentionally. Anything new and different was added intentionally, such as baptism. (See Romans 6 and the part about being washed in I Cor 6 above.) Ellen White is a liar and she is such an excessively false prophet (predicted the end of the world no less than 18 times when Christ said nobody knows but the Father) that I really can't relate to anybody who believes her. Do yourself a favor and compare what she wrote to what Paul said in Rom 14 on the Sabbath day and you can't miss the fraud that is Ellen G White.

[@-kepha8828]

@@vaeshethblade931 lol, not falling for the loes you spread. Paul himself said this about the law: "What shall we do then, should we abolish the law? Heaven forbid! We should ESTABLISH IT! Paul also says in Hebrews 8 that the holy spirits job is to write Gods law on our hearts, causing us to want to obey the law. You dont know scripture and it shows. You only spew the lies your lawless leaders have fed you, like a lieing parrot.

[@nebraskasandhills4635]

right now Jesus is operating as High Priest, He will take authority during the Tribulation as He unseals the scroll the last 7 years of Daniel, the Tribulation will begin after the Rapture of the Body of Christ. Satan is chained for 1000 years during the Millineum

[@erikjohnson9223]

Verse 40 speaks of the iron kingdom crushing and shattering "all of these." In the English, at least, the antecedent would be the former kingdoms of gold/Babylon, silver/Medo-Persia, and bronze/Macedon (or Greece if you prefer). Rome did conquer Canaan, the normal center of Biblical/Jewish prophesy, but only the western fringes (Greece, Egypt, Anatolia, and the Levant) of the former kingdoms. Mesopotamia, the core of this territory and the homeland of Nebuchadnezzar to whom the dream was given, was ruled by Rome for less than a decade. The Medo-Persian core (& Seleucid fragment of Alexander's empire) was untouched, and reborn as the preeminent Central Asian power under the (Iranic, though not Persian) Parthian nomads and then literally Persian Sassanids. While it is possible Nebuchadnezzar was merely a vehicle for a vision actually intended for Daniel and through him the Jews, so that Jerusalem-centricity might be as plausible as the to me more likely Babylon-centricity of the vision (since given to a Chaldean king and known to Jewish exiles in Babylon before their cousins, the impoverished remnant allowed to remain behind in Judah), Rome doesn't seem to fit the text. It was militaristic, but so were all of those empires, and most others. It did have periods of instability, like iron mixed with clay, but all human societies (including the 3 former "world empires," as clear from your own excellent history lectures) experience such periods. All empires, by which I mean multiethnic states that are held by a conquering power, experience resentment and violence between the conquered and the occupying power. The friction between the Jews (or, to remove Messianism from the mix, Berbers, Gauls, etc, especially when first conquered and not assimilated) and Imperial Rome doesn't seem fundamentally different from, say, Uyghurs and Tibetans under Han Chinese dominion today or various African and Asian peoples under British or French rule a century ago. If anything, Rome proved remarkably stable, finally dying in the East only in the 15th century. Admittedly, alternative views must go on a Dispensational limb, perhaps by associating the "rock cut out, not by human hands" with Jesus's return, not as the meek, sacrificial Lamb of God, but rather as the conquering Lion of Judah. That would require treating Rome (and subsequent Western culture, though we aren't very relevant to either Zion or Babylon) as an extension or echo of Greece, and if the "rock" implies a pebble, doesn't fit my view of the Return, but it is more consistent with the sudden colapse of the statue, which has yet to occur if it represents Gentile/corrupted human power, since such power remains the rule today. The Islamic Caliphate is more consistent geographically with the text, and the perpetual jihad/violence against not merely infidels but also "hypocrits" (those whose doctrine &/or practice of Islam don't match the ideals of another Muslim, namely the one who chooses to enforce those ideals via an act of jihad) gives Dar al Islam a fragility and brutality that is rare even in comparison to all other fallen/corrupt nations (the rest of us). In contrast, Rome, even under its deranged tyrants, proclaimed the the sanctity of Rule of Law, which gave it an impartiality and stability relatively greater than other ancient powers.

[@GoreBruce]

Interesting perspective. Thanks!

[@MrEspionic]

What if any is the correlation of this statue with the Beast from the Sea in Revelations (13 & 17)?

[@GoreBruce]

You can find my treatment of this question here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mXmXZmt5l7ethNE

[@claytondennis8034]

I see the 4 levels of the figure corresponding to both the 4 outside powers to hold sway over Israel, and the purity of faithful worship of the people of Israel. By the time of Rome the people and their practice of worship is fractured. The Priesthood is no longer of Aaron, you have the conservative and liberal. The Helenized and the Adherent. Jesus is pebble that topples the corruption and grows a mountain of the true Church.

[@jaredvaughan1665]

The 10 toes are undoubtedly represent the 10 major European nations that largely stemmed out of Rome. And the stone cut out of the mountain the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. A kingdom that will ultimately fill the whole earth.

[@nortfroggirl]

The church of later day saints has many problems the first being their beliefs concerning Jesus Christ. Bruce has good vids that touch on LDS

[@jaredvaughan1665]

@@nortfroggirl Jesus Christ was Heavenly Father's literal son. And as such they are two separate personages representing a united Godhood along with the Holy Ghost, the only member of the Godhood that is purely spirit as opposed to flesh and bones, as demonstrated by the literal and physical resurrection ofJesus Christ. The Nicean Creed, adopted by apostate Christianity, that makes God the Father and Jesus Christ a part of a vague and undefined common substance is both confusing and false. The Apostle Stephen saw Jesus Christ standing next to Heavenly Father when he was being martyred. Joseph Smith likewise saw a similar vision in 1820 that I know to be true. You can know too by reading the Book of Mormon and asking God directly if it us indeed an additional witness of Jesus Christ. Which I testify to be true.

[@vaeshethblade931]

That's the most hilarious take in this whole thread. HAHAHAHAHHA

[@jesusgeek7680]

You're literally teaching on things that fit your niche but what does the full context of scripture say you did want on Daniel 11 you did so good how are you adding Rome to this when clearly it is the Middle East you were teaching these things and you do not know this woe to you Daniel 2 Esv Nkjv and Nasv multiple ones YOU KING NEB ARE THE HEAD OF GOLD CAN'T HAVE A KINGDOM WITHOUT A KING God bless bro but please read more grammar !!! You're stumbling here trying to force them to stick

[@ProfessorSauvaje]

Hello, Very nice vids and very entertaining. But I'd suggest It's not Rome, it's the muslim's religions, as Kent Hovind says. Regards.

[@evettebrummell1836]

You are so right when you get to know history you will get to know all of the lies they print in that bible in daniel they say the stone without human hand came struck the image and it all vanish away and the stone filled the whole earth the pastor are preaching in the churches that the stone is jesus christ and also its in the future to happen well its a big big lie because in saudi Arabia in mecca their us the black stone which every year all over the world every persob who are muslim go their to bow down to that black stone which is islam rome Constantine move the empire and they were defeated by the ottoman islam empire which is the stone what a lie they have been feeding us in the bible we have start study history

[@aidancunningham4785]

Hello Coram Deo

[@MadKingOfMadaya]

*_This dude still knows nothing of what he is privileged to speak of._*

[@jgvtc559]

Its been said nero added up to 666

[@New-Moderate]

Jason G True. The numerical value of his name is 666 in Greek. It is also 616 in Latin.

[@mayeerahbrits9160]

You are not even permitted to use the word "represents"... Lol The key of knowing...

[@plinkfuture2557]

It’s entertaining to see the cult interpreting its pseudo history in history

[@mayeerahbrits9160]

The clay "represents" Christianity

[@jannieschluter9670]

This episode was not good.

[@David-ex6hv]

The iron of the feet makes a transition from Roman empire to holy Roman empire. And the clay would be the Islamic caliphate. Both of those are political empires. We live in the times of the iron and clay. But it is still mostly iron. With more Islamic immigration to the west, soon we will have half the feet in clay.

[@vaeshethblade931]

I'm sorry, David but that doesn't fit the text at all. God, through Daniel, interpreted the dream. You are trying to interpret the interpretation so it's no wonder you are confused. Read it again and let Daniel's words tell you the meaning of the dream. He counts the kingdoms. Literally. He counts: A kingdom (37-38), Another Kingdom (39), Another Third kingdom (39), and a Fourth kingdom (40-43). Then, "In the days of these kings" (44) God will establish His Kingdom. Matt 16: 18-19 Jesus tells us that the Church is the Kingdom they had been waiting for. If you are still waiting for this to happen, you missed the point of the entire Bible as both New and Old Testaments were designed to point us to Christ. John the Baptist preached the Kingdom is at hand. Jesus preached the Kingdom is at hand. Paul preached we are in the Kingdom right now (Col 1:13) The problem with a future Kingdom being established is that you have to rip Jesus off His throne to get there. Jesus sits on the throne of His Kingdom right now. Mark 9: 1 says that there are two thousand year old people running around if Jesus is not the King in His Kingdom right now.

[@jgvtc559]

Y tu brute?

[@jpaul1599]

Bruce Gore should not dismiss the feet referring to include times in the future because on the plain reading of the text it is not evident. But, all agree that the 70th week is in the future while 69 weeks are in the past. The long break which is still in place was necessitated because of the "mystery hidden in God" that was revealed through Apostle Paul after Israel as a nation rejected the Holy Spirit. This break is the church age or more properly "the age of the dispensation of grace through faith in Christ alone".

[@GoreBruce]

This is certainly the view held by dispensational thinkers, but would be quite rare outside those circles. Thanks for the feedback.

[@markbernard8312]

@@GoreBruce I wouldn't call it rare. I don't hold to dispensationalism and yet it is clear we still live in the tension of now and not yet. There is no way a solid reading of Revelation can lead someone to believe everything has been fulfilled.

[@GoreBruce]

I agree! I hope you will find time to following along our upcoming series on Revelation, The uploads will start showing up soon (September 2019).

[@jpaul1599]

I sure will. I have loved your detailed teachings. The messianic Jewish belief and the Christian belief can be easily resolved with right division of truth (2 Timothy 2:15), the mystery hidden in God from the foundation of the world (the Gospel of grace [1 Corinthians 2:7 & Ephesians 3:4-6] about salvation for also the Gentiles revealed by Christ unto Paul) ) and thus all according to the Scriptures. The rapture (gathering) teaching hovering around the onset of the great tribulation or in that period is based on two or three assumptions that are not really tenable for multiple reasons and ignoring verses that point away from those assumptions. In John 6:39,40 & 44, three times He (Jesus) clearly states "I will raise you up at the Last Day." In Job 14: 12-14, it says "So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep. O that Thou wouldest hide me in the grave, ... until Thy wrath be past, that Thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me! ... all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come." [from the corruptible to the incorruptible]. 1 Corinthians 15:51-55 > Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? (The reason that Death has no power thereafter is because Death and Hell are also cast into the Lake of Fire.) [Heavens (1st and 2nd) being no more can only happen at end of time i.e. end of the millennium reign and the first earth passes away - at His third coming to cast Satan, Death and Hell into the Lake of Fire and then bring down the New Earth where HE will dwell with Believers forever.] (The following verse clearly states that tribulations are a manifest token of Gods righteous judgement and to be counted worthy of the Kingdom of God). 2 Thessalonians 1:4-9 > ... patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure: Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer: ... you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be "punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord", and from the glory of His power; (Contrary to most preachings the time of great tribulation is not the wrath of God but the work of the Antichrist and Satan - and in any event Paul states we are to endure persecutions and tribulations; the wrath of God that Believers will be spared from is the everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord at His third coming and for that alone we should be grateful). The truth is that, the time of great tribulation will culminate with the 2nd coming of Jesus and establishing His Millennium reign from David's throne from Jerusalem (after He judges the nations that come up against Israel.) Then, He will fulfill the Ezekiel 36 and 37 prophecy by bringing the dry bones of Old Testament Jewish Believers including the Patriarchs and Prophets to life (born again - part in first resurection and therefore no second death), and sprinkle them with water and give them a new spirit [Ezekiel 36:24-26 ]; i.e. born again, with water and spirit and they will reign with Christ for a thousand years. He will both purify their lips and also restore the purity of the Hebrew language and over a generation or so, Hebrew will be the universal language of governmental administration. Other languages will fade away and thus the prophecy that "tongues will cease" will be fulfilled.(1 Corinthians 13:8). John (the Baptist) indeed baptised with water; but John also revealed that One who comes will baptise with the Holy Spirit. There is a time and context to Scripture ; there was "times past", "but now", and "ages to come" - (Millennium followed by Eternity). Examine the reality - most Jews in Israel and outside do not get baptised ; most Christians do get baptised. Was Paul disobeying Christ when he stated that "he was not sent to baptise" but to preach the gospel. Are the Jews disobeying Christ when they do not conduct water baptism. Examine the controversy about Sabbath - Saturday or Sunday ? In this "but now" age of grace - Remember what Jesus and Paul have declared to us in Scrioture. Jesus in Mark 2:27 > And He said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: Paul in Romans 14:5-6 > One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it... In any event, God mandated the Sabbath that Man may remember the Creator and His 6 day creation account as His Word.. Just as He commanded, that as often as we can, to remember that He gave His body and blood as atonement for our sin; we could do it everytime we eat and drink with family, relations , friends etc. The establishment has however sought to make it a sacrament. (The hindrance today for Israel as a nation is what Paul has revealed in ) Romans 9:31-33 > But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; As it is written [in Isaiah], Behold, I lay in Zion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. Our hope is in Christ and His promise - Colossians 1:22-23 > In the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in HIS sight: If ye continue in "the faith" grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister; "The faith" referred to above is in 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 and Ephesians 1:13 is, If you believe that He died, was buried and resurrected, you are sealed [baptised] by the Holy Spirit. Salvation and Redemption is given unto us by HIS grace, and is by the faith of Christ (obedience to the Father), and an opportunity for us to receive through faith in Christ and not by our works; for if it's by works then it's not grace; if we think we can stand before Him based on our good works be very careful for it's not a better option than His grace where Christ present's us before HIM, as blameless. Finally, at the end of the millennium after Satan, Death and Hell are all cast into the Lake of Fire (Revelation 20:10, 14), there will be resurrections - (i) Believers will be gathered unto Him and Resurrected to Life (part in first resurrection) and (ii) others (atheists, agnostics, religion followers) to the Resurrection to Judgement when He will judge them not according to what mortal Man considers as good works but on His standard of righteousness and it's possible that He may well have mercy or compassion on some of them - Remember Romans 9:15-16 > For He saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. Therefore it's not for Man to judge today, who goes to paradise or hell but be content that in His grace, He gives Resurrection to Life freely to those that accept Him as Saviour and Redeemer. John 14:2-3 > In my Father's house are many mansions: ... And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto Myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. ["a place" is referring to incorruptible covering if rightly read along with 2 Corinthians 5:1-8] 2 Corinthians 5: 1-4 > For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, ... eternal in the heavens. ... For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life." 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 > For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." At the end of the millennium reign, after the resurrections on the last day at His third coming, this the First Earth will pass away and there will be no more sea (no more a firmament that separates Heaven and Earth) and thereafter the New Earth will come down from Heaven and God will dwell thereon with those Redeemed for eternity. - Revelation 21:1-2. Until then, while we live, we can only renew our mind as Apostle Paul states in Romans 12:2 > And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. The Kingdom of Heaven (on earth) is the millennium kingdom and reign promised to the patriarchs, prophets and Old Testament time Jewish believers. The Kingdom of God is when God is all in all (1 Corinthians 15:28-30) and the Son after He has fulfilled all things is subsumed into the Father.

[@debbieward9732]

Daniel says the Annointed One is cut off after the 69th week and I am pretty sure 70 comes after 69. So maybe it’s the last half of the week that has taken a near two thousand year break so far.

[@erikjohnson9223]

Verse 40 speaks of the iron kingdom crushing and shattering "all of these." In the English, at least, the antecedent would be the former kingdoms of gold/Babylon, silver/Medo-Persia, and bronze/Macedon (or Greece if you prefer). Rome did conquer Canaan, the normal center of Biblical/Jewish prophesy, but only the western fringes (Greece, Egypt, Anatolia, and the Levant) of the former kingdoms. Mesopotamia, the core of this territory and the homeland of Nebuchadnezzar to whom the dream was given, was ruled by Rome for less than a decade. The Medo-Persian core (& Seleucid fragment of Alexander's empire) was untouched, and reborn as the preeminent Central Asian power under the (Iranic, though not Persian) Parthian nomads and then literally Persian Sassanids. While it is possible Nebuchadnezzar was merely a vehicle for a vision actually intended for Daniel and through him the Jews, so that Jerusalem-centricity might be as plausible as the to me more likely Babylon-centricity of the vision (since given to a Chaldean king and known to Jewish exiles in Babylon before their cousins, the impoverished remnant allowed to remain behind in Judah), Rome doesn't seem to fit the text. It was militaristic, but so were all of those empires, and most others. It did have periods of instability, like iron mixed with clay, but all human societies (including the 3 former "world empires," as clear from your own excellent history lectures) experience such periods. All empires, by which I mean multiethnic states that are held by a conquering power, experience resentment and violence between the conquered and the occupying power. The friction between the Jews (or, to remove Messianism from the mix, Berbers, Gauls, etc, especially when first conquered and not assimilated) and Imperial Rome doesn't seem fundamentally different from, say, Uyghurs and Tibetans under Han Chinese dominion today or various African and Asian peoples under British or French rule a century ago. If anything, Rome proved remarkably stable, finally dying in the East only in the 15th century. Admittedly, alternative views must go on a Dispensational limb, perhaps by associating the "rock cut out, not by human hands" with Jesus's return, not as the meek, sacrificial Lamb of God, but rather as the conquering Lion of Judah. That would require treating Rome (and subsequent Western culture, though we aren't very relevant to either Zion or Babylon) as an extension or echo of Greece, and if the "rock" implies a pebble, doesn't fit my view of the Return, but it is more consistent with the sudden colapse of the statue, which has yet to occur if it represents Gentile/corrupted human power, since such power remains the rule today. The Islamic Caliphate is more consistent geographically with the text, and the perpetual jihad/violence against not merely infidels but also "hypocrits" (those whose doctrine &/or practice of Islam don't match the ideals of another Muslim, namely the one who chooses to enforce those ideals via an act of jihad) gives Dar al Islam a fragility and brutality that is rare even in comparison to all other fallen/corrupt nations (the rest of us). In contrast, Rome, even under its deranged tyrants, proclaimed the the sanctity of Rule of Law, which gave it an impartiality and stability relatively greater than other ancient powers. Thanks, Erik.