Gorn Attack The Enterprise and SCOTTY comes aboard - Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x10- "Hegemony"

[@MisterMarin]

Orders, Captain? Worf: We fight!

[@BoloBouncer]

That's how he lost the Enterprise E

[@i_i_i_i_l_l_l_l_]

​@@BoloBouncerWorf: That was NOT my fault.

[@xandercage2388]

Prepare for ramming speed

[@LGranthamsHeir]

Riker: "Mr Worf, FIRE!!" (TO BE CONTINUED....)

[@samuelcotler8804]

This feels like the setup for Kobayashi Maru

[@LGranthamsHeir]

Everytime Starfleet encounters a new powerful and lethal alien was a set up for Kobayashi Maru. See TNG's 'Best of Both Worlds" and the premiere of "Picard" Season 2 ("The Stargazer")

[@ThornOfSociety]

I like that even Scotty looked doubtful about her calling him one of her best students.

[@joeswanson733]

this is scotty pre miracle worker.

[@setsuna200]

She saw what he could become. He's a miracle worker.

[@k1productions87]

Is she the professor he got into a wee argument with over relativistic physics and how it pertains to subspace travel?

[@mattboesch8907]

@@k1productions87 Unfortunately that professor was a "he".

[@k1productions87]

@@mattboesch8907 and now that I think about it, THIS professor would know better

[@ModernTenshi04]

I love how the effect on the colony being beamed out is different from the effect of the crew beamed directly to sickbay, with the colony's effect having more wavy lines and the sickbay having straighter lines. I remember watching the episode and thinking, "Huh, the visual effect for transporting the colony looked different, maybe it's a different kind of transporter for a group that large?" Really great attention to detail.

[@ThornOfSociety]

I am guessing that was due to them being beamed up by the Gorn, so likely their tech.

[@scoobydoo5439]

They were abducted by the Gorn..it's the type of transported system they use, and they are all in a world of $h!t.

[@biggbossman1968]

It was Gorn transporters

[@darthplagueis66]

As soon as I saw the transport, I knew what had happened.

[@Vashtstamped]

good to see that the stations are still made of explodem

[@Sage2000]

As It should be😊

[@altysalteo]

I so expected the cliffhanger but it still felt criminal

[@kehreazerith3016]

DS9 left on some pretty big ones like this too

[@thatnerdyperson7246]

@@kehreazerith3016 TNG was the first, with the reveal of Picard being assimilated into the well-known Locutus of Borg.

[@jcpulido80]

Right??

[@IIISentorIII]

@@thatnerdyperson7246 yea and Voyagers Scorpion part one and two :)

[@Exparcelman]

And now because of the strike it will probably be 2 or 3 years before we see the conclusion.

[@talicowart9577]

One of those parts that I really like about the end is that it shows that Pike is not a combat oriented captain. He's an explorer, a diplomat, who is being forced into a position where he has to think like a military captain. This is why he froze at the end. This will probably wind up being a really good plot thread in Season 3 as he has to recon with the fact of making military decisions. My bet is that Una tells him that they need to retreat. It is the correct move. They have too much intel that is vital for the war effort. They will probably retreat and then utilize Scotty's device as a way to go rescue the crew early in Season 3. We know that M'Benga, Kirk, and Ortegas* survive (We see M'Benga and Kirk in TOS and Boimler says Ortegas is a war hero (*Though this may be a misdirect as she might be considered a war hero for her time in the Klingon Wars)), I don't think that La'an makes it, and might wind up sacrificing herself in order to save the other bridge crew. I'm really excited that Scotty is on the crew now though. I think they perfectly distilled Doohan and Pegg. They have the Physicality of Doohan and the personality of Pegg. It's funny for me. Hemmer is your Model Engineer. He's focused, gets the job done, and is just a professional. I always like Scotty as a scrappy, unconventional sort of Engineer. Professional in that he cares about his job, but he is willing to take risks and get creative in order to keep the ship running and in the fight (With a good bit of sarcasm). Overlooked by many, but when shit gets tough, you want him in Engineering. Also, a giant bowl of Fuck You to the studio executives for not paying their damn writers and actors. It's the studios damn fault, with their greedy asses, that they forced the Unions to strike. Now we have to wait 2-3 years for Season 3

[@cosmeticscameo8277]

there's more than meets the eyes. studios aren't innately evil. in the end it's always business and money

[@talicowart9577]

@@cosmeticscameo8277 You're right it is about the money and workers aren't getting their fair share, because the C-Suite are greedy assholes. The workers (Writers and all the below the line workers, and actors (who most are paid very little for their roles) actually make the TV shows and movies, not the studio heads. The writers are asking for $343 million extra in pay. Across 350 production companies. Disney would pay an extra $75 million and Netflix would pay $68 million. Disney made $82.7 BILLION in revenue in 2022, so the increase would come out to be about .091% of revenue. Netflix made $31.6 BILLION in revenue in 2022, so the increase would come out to be .214%. And yes, I recognize that is just Revenue, but keep in mind, Disney made $28.3 billion in profit in 2022 and Netflix made $12.4 billion. Writers, actors, and all sort of below the line people are starving, having to work multiple jobs, losing their apartments over corporate greed. The residual checks for the majority of actors are pennies. I want you to seriously look at those numbers and tell me the studios and their C-Suite aren't evil for causing this much human misery. No one should have to work multiple jobs in order to live.

[@Sinleqeunnini]

I don't think the writers will kill off La'an here. That would be a ridiculous waste of talent and opportunity to develop the character through the whole series. I've seen people criticize Pike's hesitation here as bad writing, but if this 'flaw' is indeed developed later as character growth it could indeed be a great move on the writers instead of a bad one. Finally, yes, studio execs and the investors are the major problem here since their aims here reflect the late, failing stage of neo-liberal capitalism. Economic justice cannot be done simply by expecting those execs to 'find a clever, technical solution'. It will require the majority of those affected by the current material issues (the writers and even many of us as consumers) force the execs, elite investors, and the upper class in general to give up some of their wealth and control for the benefit of the rest of us. It is not a question of limited resources period, it is an issue of where the massive amounts of wealth in our society go, how usefully their are put to use instead of sitting in someone's capital portfolio, and whether we wish to fund worthy artistic or entertainment endeavors like SNW as a democratic choice by more people than just the execs, if necessary from the pockets of other parts of economy which we ourselves work in.

[@cosmeticscameo8277]

@@Sinleqeunnini the upper class in general to give up some of their wealth and control for the benefit of the rest of us. It is not a question of limited resources period, it is an issue of where the massive amounts of wealth in our society go they want the whole pie... they would rather the world freeze over than to give up their godhood.

[@antondevonlh]

@@cosmeticscameo8277That is exactly what the studio heads hope you will believe so they can continue to cut themselves massive checks off of the backs of the people doing the real work in the industry. This is a choice between their 10th megayacht and peoples livelihood. Pretending that's even a choice *IS* evil, in all its banality.

[@Shatterhand2049]

I like how Captain Pike is a hugger. It's just another symbol of how much he cares about his crew; he treats them like they're dear friends, or even family.

[@chbu7081]

They've Gorn through an entire season.

[@samuelriccobono9278]

Damn. :-)

[@xheralt]

It flew by so quickly....Gorn With The Wind!

[@travisfoster1071]

Terrible joke....

[@chbu7081]

@@travisfoster1071 Thanks.

[@vrASMR180]

@@xheralt After that musical episode please don't give them any ideas lol

[@LGranthamsHeir]

2:30 Pike: "Uhura, sent a criticial signal to Starfleet: "We have engaged the Gorn!!"

[@BoloBouncer]

Gorn. Sounds Swedish

[@LGranthamsHeir]

@@BoloBouncer But looks more like Xenomorphs in appearance 😆

[@ricaard]

"I understood that reference."

[@KrytenMark]

What a brilliant cliffhanger this is. Really feels like a proper no win scenario for poor Captain Pike right here.

[@Dazza13]

Great cliffhanger. Shame we could be waiting about a couple of years for season 3. But Strange New Worlds has been such a great watch. 👍

[@Brettbren]

*From what I have read, Star Trek production might NOT be impacted by the strikes. (Do not quote me on that)*

[@ManyfiresWoman]

Sadly possible. And I wasn't prepared for a cliffhanger. I didn't listen when I heard the faint whiff that it would have one.

[@SCscoutguy]

@@Brettbren the cast has been out on the picket lines with the rest of the actors striking so I would say it will be impacted.

[@adammoldover8769]

The next season likely wouldn't have been until May-June 2024 at the earliest anyway.

[@erikkarlonas180]

@@adammoldover8769 fine by me....i can wait

[@BlackCloudBoss]

4:09 The inspiration for this scene is from DS9 season 4 premier Way of the Warrior when Sisko had to make an executive decision to risk starting a war with the Klingons by engaging them to save the Cardassian leadership. Usually Sisko is very secure, calm and collected but he had to really think for a bit before risking it all. That's an all time classic scene to me, this is more of a watered down version of it. Pike just looks scared and hesitant where Sisko was proven by the time of Way of the Warrior that he has no problem taking big risks so when he is hesitant it's more meaningful.

[@harriskara231]

That look at the end like the previous finalle of season 1!!! We love this crew!!! We love the best of starfleet captain Pike!!!

[@robertmandl9326]

He´s not the best. But I like him a lot too.

[@harriskara231]

@robertmandl9326 maybe... but he is my favorite and this man is the reason that I started again to see star trek!!! From Discovery season 2!!! I started back then and I saw the second season first I didn't know!!!

[@LGranthamsHeir]

3:48 - 3:27 You could see clearly Pike's painful face and the conflicting dilemma affecting him: Stay in and fight facing dozens of heavily armed Gorn's ships (and likely facing a near certain elimination) or withdraw and leaving La''an, Ortega, and hundreds of colonists to their deaths at the Gorn's hand. What a cliffhanger. Best one since TNG's "Best of Both Worlds, Part I" 🖖🖖

[@joeswanson733]

they know what the gorn can do. the gorn have superior forces there already to stay and fight would be suicide. withdraw and come up with something else. since they dont' have starfleet back up they're on their own sothey'll need to do some kind of space ninja stuff.

[@Spookssga]

I would defiantly retreat and try and rescue them later

[@thudtheace]

They were not fighting anyway.. Typical Starfleet...

[@Condor1970]

The one thing that's a bit of a head scratcher about their version of Scotty, is that Scotty was known for being older, higher in rank, and quite a bit more seasoned than the rest of the command crew (Uhura, Chekov, and Sulu). He was pretty much on par with Spock, and Bones. Making him appear younger and even less seasoned than Uhura and Chapel doesn't seem to make much sense.

[@joeswanson733]

well looks can be deceiving. and by now in snw scotty would be around 37. so they got a 29 year old playing a 37 year old.. it's doable. even by TOS scotty is only a lt commander as he's a department head on the enterprise CEO (chief engineering officer) so by this point he would be a lt or minimum lt jr grade. but that would be kind of weird as scotty would've been in the fleet for about 15 years by this point. scotty mentioned he served on 11 ships including the enterprise/A. so 9 ships besides the enterprises.

[@Condor1970]

@@joeswanson733 ...yeah, that's my point. Scotty was around Starfleet on various duty stations for quite a while before even getting to the Enterprise, where he really fell in love with the ship, and planted himself there. To become LtCom by TOS, he would have had to have been at least a well seasoned Lt here, get promoted ASAP and gain some more time on the Enterprise before taking over the Engineering dept as dept head. Pike was only on the Enterprise for just a few years before the accident. So, his time left will only be another year or two by TOS timeline. When Kirk takes over, Scotty was already a seasoned Lt Commander in charge of the department. The one way to do this, is for Pelia to have Scotty promoted to full Lt right now as her right hand man in Engineering, after the Gorn incident. Then, when Pike has the accident in another year or two, Pelia gets killed during the same accident as Pike, leaving Scotty in charge to somehow save the ship. Scotty then gets awarded and promoted to LtCommander for his Heroism and takes over as Engineering Dept Head just before Kirks arrival as new Captain. That would be the only way, and the fastest jump in rank ever. That still wouldn't really fit the narrative of Scotty being an old crusty sailor who's been around a long time and really loves his ship.

[@joeswanson733]

​@@Condor1970 why would pelia get killed in the same accident as pike? why woud she also be on a cadet vessel doing an inspection tour?

[@jameswg13]

You all forget we have about 6 ish years till first TOS episode. While he mentioned he was LT Jr grade there highly likely he is given a promotion by pike and startleet. Then if he is on the enterprise next season great. If not and it's sporadic even better. While he looks younger again 6 years and it's clear he is older and more experienced than uhura.

[@joeswanson733]

@@jameswg13 so basically Scotty looks a lot older and he needs to promotions

[@AviationGuyMelbourne]

Instead of trying to find captain batel a cure for the gorn eggs or whatever why not just amputate her arm and give a prosthetic its a safer option and would stop the eggs depending on the spread

[@RobertLesterDodd]

I really hope they expand this show to get more episodes per season. It's one of the best Treks already, and it deserves about 20 episodes a year.

[@SashaShame]

Seconded on all counts!

[@jasons4847]

It had promise in season 1. Season 2 has been an abomination.

[@nigelmurphy6761]

​@@SashaShameThirded

[@DavidCartmellDJCartmell]

I disagree. Less is more. I think 10 is just right just like the show. The last thing we want is it to become quantity over quality.

[@merlokden5844]

@@jasons4847 Chill, Mr Edgelord I really hope this is just a troll attempt. Because I guarantee you're 1 in a million there. And I swear, if this is just a temper tantrum over the Musical Episode, a lot of people are going to be really disappointed with you. Don't be that reminder of the sh!tty side of human nature. Because you're more 2D then you think.

[@johndornoff]

I knew this would be a cliffhanger but with the current strike who knows when we will get season 3 which was supposed to start shooting the day the writer's strike started.

[@vrASMR180]

Probably 2025 maybe 2026.

[@thegoose1005]

@@vrASMR180 same from what I've heard mid-late 2025 is the optimistic time

[@kyleyuen245]

I feel it's no coincidence that the starship roles for Sulu and Doctor McCoy are suddenly available

[@time391]

He's a doctor not a...

[@joeswanson733]

sulu is still in starfleet academy and mccoy is a ship surgeon on the uss constitution.

[@natekarpowicz7564]

@@time391 Butcher?

[@1993digifan]

You really think they will have time pick up fill-ins from other ships/bases/stations/the Academy when they know that every second the crew and colonists are with the Gorn it means more of them are at extremely high risk of dying?

[@k1productions87]

We know M'Benga survives, because we see him (sans beard) on the Enterprise years later

[@richardcutts196]

Capt. Batel needs to be stored in the transporter buffer.

[@AB-tc8lx]

The gorn are only in her arm it is the 22nd century. Cut the arm off and give her a prosthetic arm easy fix

[@time391]

Scotty invents that in post tos era

[@seanjordan8233]

Old fashioned amputation will take care of the problem.

[@Ugnutz]

@@time391 they have shown M'benga already knows how to do it for we know Scotty learnt it from him

[@richardcutts196]

@@Ugnutz What they need is an equivalent to a flash drive that can hold a pattern without external power indefinitely.

[@Arfarf69]

Loving the 60s theme style music for this scene

[@edhallas1002]

Star Trek looks so beautiful to watch now.

[@enstarfanensemble1092]

Somehow I feel the gorn starts to call her the Grey Ghost. They think for sure that they destroyed her in the last encounter only to see her again reminds me of the CV-6 USS Enterprise of the WWII when the Japanese thinked they sunk her many times only to see her again and again.

[@HawkGTboy]

I haven't seen the episode but It's a no brainer... get that ship out out there Captain Pike.

[@randallwong7196]

Carrying on the tradition of exploding consoles.

[@maramackenzie-mann]

1:51 I can't get over how adorable Scotty is like that. Like "Sir? Sir please where do I put this?"

[@AT23b]

With regards to Pike freezing up at the end, it's natural for him to do so in this situation. He's Starfleet's boy scout, who more than once in Season 2 stands by his crew (his family) and comes to their rescue because it's the right thing to do and consequences be damned. Only here the consequences caught up with him. In that light, "Now what the hell do I do..." is a normal reaction, I think.

[@dschehutinefer5627]

I'm also thinking it's an interesting call-back to his original characterization in The Cage. Pike REALLY struggles to deal with loosing people. In The Cage he was considering retiring from Starfleet because loosing several redshirts in a previous mission weighed on his mind too much. Here he is forced to abandon these people to certain death and it's the only rational decision he can possibly make to save his crew. Pretty much the worst possible situation someone with Pike's personality can be put into.

[@krisbecker8392]

Starfleet is amassing all other federation troops and weaponry to go against the Gorn He has to save his own ship or also be destroyed as he is outnumbeted

[@joeswanson733]

nope this is outside federation space. starfleet will not be sending in anything. starfleet attacked the gorn. the gorn are actually legally justified to defend their territory from invaders. the federation are invaders.

[@Kirilo81]

Those Gorn ships look awfully similar to the Chigs in Space: Above and beyond

[@hellacoorinna9995]

And the gorn are effectivly, xenomorphs

[@Sigurther]

Ah, yes, the 'pause for dramatic effect while our ship gets obliterated by small craft fire'. A classic tactic straight from starfleet academy's finest warfighters.

[@kmccamis]

It's funny how the transporter sounds a bit like the one from TMP.

[@k1productions87]

Actually, it sounds more like the one from The Cage

[@MMuraseofSandvich]

It would be a nice nod to Simon Pegg's performance if Scotty and Pelia started arguing over transwarp beaming next season. "You almost lost Admiral Archer's prized beagle!"

[@mattboesch8907]

I had a smile on my face the first time i saw that scene in theaters cause a) I love that Archer and Enterprise are getting referenced and B) I was like "Not Porthos!"

[@Sage2000]

I LOVED this show. This Felt star Trek

[@nxreliant1864]

Literally one of the best cliffhangers of all time. Very well done.

[@LGranthamsHeir]

It rivals TNG's "Best of Both Worlds" when Picard was transformed into Locutus of Borg and Riker ordered Worf to fire at the Borg cube where he was located. Back three-plus decades ago, TNG fans had to wait 9 months before they learned Picard's fate in BOBW Part 2.' Now thanks to the writers strike, we have to wait until 2025-26 before we learn the fate of La'an, Ortega, and Batel, and plus how the conflict with the Gorn changes Pike's outlook 🙄

[@daytona91184]

😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤡🤡🤡

[@kris8165]

Gotta admit... that's a beautiful bridge 😊

[@antilogism]

That camera crew either protesting that they wanted to be a part of the action or were drunk of their a$$s.

[@StanvilleBrown]

I am so happy we are getting a third season!

[@shaftoe195]

Writers and Actors guild strikes said no. It's delayed indefinitely.

[@EnterpriseKnight]

not for a long time, but it's for a good cause.

[@Hewylewis]

I'm not. Honestly, this series is an insult to the original series.

[@spambuster]

SNW > TOS by 1000%

[@Hewylewis]

@@spambuster What does that mean?

[@sleepingbackbone7581]

they're Gorn with the wind....ok, I'll see myself out...

[@timothylowe8327]

Bless

[@dougtarbox2428]

The real cliffhangar is how none of them remember the gorn later when Kirk is captain?

[@CrandMackerel]

Gorn, but not forgotten!

[@Emeraldnite-if7vo]

Just finisehd rewatching "Arena" and feel like this episode is the updated timeline's remake of that ep--they both have an Earth colony being attacked in unknown Gorn territory and will likely lead to the Enterprise chasing down the Gorn to retrieve their lost crewmen. I don't expect the Metrons to show up, but the parallels so far are pretty interesting. Also it's hilarious to think the Gorn Kirk fought may have been an elderly Gorn who couldn't move fast, because I cannot imagine any human fighting these updated Gorn in hand to hand combat in their prime.

[@adambrown6669]

This is not that fight, those events still happen in the future, chances are Kirks fight with the gorn he deals with will be less punchy and more strategic.

[@Emeraldnite-if7vo]

@@adambrown6669 I meant more a spiritual remake where it shows similar events with updated effects and writing, because the likelihood of them full on remaking TOS episodes is unlikely (though I would not mind one bit if they redo the original series episodes with the new cast they are building out).

[@cosmeticscameo8277]

except in this case without the TOS engine upgrades...the gorn might be faster than the enterprise.

[@icwiz]

Or what if the Metrons are brought in, and they create different rules of spacetime in the arena. And its a fight where a Gorn is handicapped by slowing them down and kirk is left as is, so the fight is more fair.

[@tetravega567]

My headcanon is the Metreon's were testing Kirk & the Gorn in separate areas using mental stereotypes of each other. While Kirk was fighting a ridiculous rubber suit lizard, somewhere else on the planet, a real Gorn was fighting an equally ridiculous rubber suit "Human".

[@jonathanroberts-bj7yl]

Very funny you didn’t see the Gorn in other live action Star Trek much.

[@xaenon]

That costume in TOS was really bad, even by low-budget TOS standards... I think they wanted to steer clear of 'Gorn' after that. Much easier now to make truly different aliens with CGI. We did see one in ENTERPRISE though.

[@JackMacLupus]

The Gorn? Damn, i never expected to hear the name of that race again! The last time i heard of them, was back then when i played "Starfleet Command" but that was literally decades ago!

[@harryc1971]

Has to withdraw initially, but we all know once Scotties device is up and running they have other options.

[@RafCaroonitst]

"think of it." PIKE did know a lot within each movie before, this series.

[@bradenderle8677]

some great kobayashi maru vibes in that last scene

[@aboutwhatever77]

Best SNW yet- The singing one not so much- And nice to see latkas wife from Taxi-Simka if i remember correct- another of my old fav shows😊 yes i'm old😢

[@stefanandras9382]

Gorn war.Yesssss

[@agalgonzalez]

Carol Kane looks like a wizened child next to the rest of the crew.

[@Audioholics]

They made Pike so incompetent in a show that's supposed to focus on his story.

[@nolainternet9677]

We don't leave our people behind. This is Starfleet.

[@RafCaroonitst]

I wish too witness more of these episodes. I am down.

[@junechris]

What are your orders captain? I order you to duuuuuuuuuu....lol

[@stevegordon5689]

Is it me but are those small Gorn ships a rip off from the 90s show space above and beyond. They even sound the same!

[@tsntana]

Activate the Omega 13.

[@ChiefSilverWolf]

Those lizards run on batteries. They keep Gorn, and Gorn and Gorn !!😊

[@michaelbaker103]

Damn the gorn need to go the way of the dinosaurs 😂

[@R.J.Godzilla81]

This show takes place before TOS right, and Arena was the first encounter with the Gorn, SO HOW THE HECK IS THIS EPISODE EVEN POSSIBLE?!?!?!

[@adamb89]

I can't not keep calling them the Groin. Oh no, the Groin have kidnapped our people. We must attack the Groin.

[@lsgPH]

MR SCOTTY LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

[@melodiefrances3898]

I like the Gorn as much as I like the Borg. 😂❤

[@GORT70]

I’m **REALLY** hoping we see the BIG E tear some crap up next season.

[@kenet71]

Is that the same suit Ethan peck is wearing used by Zachary Quinto in into darkness? 🖖

[@AlternicityBlogspot]

He'll order a retreat. Can't rescue the other crew members if the Enterprise is destroyed

[@cosmeticscameo8277]

at the rate they're getting shot at the warp drive will be down

[@vizpop18]

The Kobayashi Maru, is what that is, but is it is also, BBW Episode one, Mr Worf Fire.

[@johncane4507]

I don’t want to be that guy but if we are going by the shows then the gorn were not “discovered “ till years later when Kirk fight one 🤷‍♂️

[@奶路牛]

This part is pretty well executed, but the biggest problem of SNW is they treat TOS like vague story outlines instead of established events. With two incidents on Enterprise’s record. Kirk still doesn’t know anything about the Gorn a few years later. 😅

[@Olochgu]

Trek canon has always been a fickle thing, not just with the new shows. And SNW at least gave us a pretty decent explanation for why these inconsistencies have occured and keep occurring. Fighting the Gorn doesn't mean understanding them, and imo that's Kirk's true accomplishment. And a lot of the dialogue in the episode makes me thing the writers have the same opinion and are setting up the Gorn as evil monsters, not to overshadow Kirk, but to elevate what he achieved!

[@somebuddyX]

Ohhhh COMES aboard. I get it now.

[@fusion_x1544]

Big thing - the season 1 finale taught Pike that sometimes an enemy can't be negotiated with. That showing weakness will invite more violence, even war. But that's what Pike is facing right now. Retreat, likely without choice, and escalate this conflict further.

[@SkywalkerFilms1927]

As a way to tie Strange New Worlds into the Original Series, they should have Commodore Decker, aboard the newly refit to TOS-spec USS Constellation to help the Enterprise defeat the Gorn, or at least retreat; whether at the end of this season, the next one, or the final season.

[@mdjmurray]

Why can’t the camera stay still? Just for a moment.

[@rickmarr8784]

He already knows his future, if I were him, I say orders be damned!!!

[@fernandochavez4312]

Kirk would know what to do. Thanks

[@joeswanson733]

in TOS kirk is one of starfleets greatest starship tactician and commanders.

[@jamessouthby2437]

Watching this scene gave me a hunch for the shot that will end the whole show (whenever that happens) - both finales have had Pike looking straight into the camera facing a horrible dilemma. What if the last shot of the final season is a wheelchair-bound, disfigured Pike looking lifelessly into camera? Hope I'm wrong, that would be heartbreaking.

[@maundamartin59]

Spock has a CLEAN FADE.

[@DanCorkery-s6g]

So much potential

[@makeitsonumberone1358]

Lack of sausage on the bridge

[@aultraman]

Spock and nurse Chapel got it on, and Gorns move super fast? This is too crazy....but I wait for season 3.

[@2hcobda2]

Closed captions ?

[@jdsim9173]

This doesn't make sense, the federation didn't know anything about the Gorn until the Arena episode.

[@Hewylewis]

Way to ruin the Gorn by just making them xenomorphs now. In the original series, it was said they were a civilized society that they didn't fully understand. Now... They're just monsters that lay eggs in people.

[@texasabbott]

Time says things will eventually get better as Starbase 25 becomes home to a Gorn chef!

[@indiajohnson]

Yeah, I really hate that.

[@indiajohnson]

They should've used the Tholians as the big bad instead, minus the Xenomorph/Magog stuff.

[@GunGriffin187]

What are you on about? That's not what happened in this episode at all... my God kid get informed

[@Hewylewis]

@@GunGriffin187 Yes, it is. Don't gaslight me. I saw the making of the episode that basically explains what they did to the Gorn.

[@shernweilee5576]

I'm kinda new here can someone tell me why they can't just decimate the whole planet of reptiles IF they win this war?

[@SuperZePe2]

Because starfleet doesn't commit genocide, they have standards

[@kingsman8475]

Ethan Peck needs a gruffier look. He resembles Topher Grace with Vulcan ears.

[@melodiefrances3898]

😂😂

[@hpa2005]

Can't wait to see how the writers get the crew out of this one.

[@creativechef25]

I do believe that this is what Star Fleet would call a....Kobayashi Maru. Think on it for a moment. The Admiral is ordering them to return to base, they have 100's of people are hostages to the Gorn, the Gorn are attacking them and they don't want to leave behind said hostages, and the ship is in borderline bad shape. Sure the order from command would be to run, but if you leave the hostages to the Gorn, then the hostages are basically going to become Gorn and then you have more to worry about in the future. If you try to risk saving them, you risk the chance to be infected and become a Gorn yourself or be killed in the process, basically it's a suicide mission. Waiting for backup is a bad move too, because there can only be so much done to stall for time for said backup. I do think negotiations would fall short too as I don't think the Gorn are the negotiating type. If you fight, you may end up using what systems you have left till empty and then risk the ship being captured and/or destroyed. I know that there will be a way out in the following season, but this looks like a no-win scenario at face value.

[@enermaxstephens1051]

No way I'm watching this DEI simulator lmao

[@Deadpool_64]

Interesting, site to site transporting. They acted like it was such a big deal in S3 of TOS when they were forced to do it during a crisis.

[@dwightfillmore4438]

Pike literally has no good decisions, simply the lesser of evils, minimize catastrophe.

[@biggbossman1968]

So why didn't the Gorn send the demarcation image to Starfleet before they destroyed the Cayuga?

[@joeswanson733]

subspace communication in trek especially during SNW isn't instant. it needs time to get to its destination

[@doncline4238]

Mind telling me where Scotty is ??

[@NLaertes]

Just a wild thought about that last shot with Pike..what if those Gorn fighters blasted a hole unto the bridge a-la-Scimitar...that wouldve made it one hell of a cliffhanger

[@JK-nx7my]

The Enterprise (Kirk) had no idea who the Gorn were at Cestus III, but in the prequal SNW they are the major bad guys...

[@joeswanson733]

that's the joke. 2260 federation gorn war 7 years later... gorn?

[@Doomcharger]

@@joeswanson733 And everyone forgets that even the first few episodes of TOS it had forgotten it's own continuity.

[@joeswanson733]

@@Doomcharger classic trek

[@SWalkerTTU]

@@Doomcharger As far as NBC was concerned, continuity didn’t matter; they aired the first batch of episodes out of production order.

[@k1productions87]

@@Doomcharger and that it is far easier for some writers to write "what is this? This is new" scenes, rather than "as you all already know (but I'm going to lay it all out for you again anyway)"

[@ShanenWay]

This when you say,Fuck!

[@jmf5246]

USS Farragut soon yo make an appearance?

[@patsfreak]

Throw in the Defiant before she gets eaten by the Tholians.

[@jmf5246]

Thinking kirk is the xo but it is the captain that replaced garrick (spell?) who was killed by the cloud monster. Kirk is key to rescuing the Cayuga crew and Singh but his Captain is killed along the plot line. Kirk and Singh have a nice scene where he is wounded and she saves him this time during the rescue. They leave as friends. End scene is Pike and Kirk alone with Kirk questioning his decision making and staying in the Fleet after losing two Captains and Pike giving some stirring speech on Kirk being a great leader and to learn from mistakes. Or something like that

[@joeswanson733]

but the farragut is on the other side of the quadrant.

[@xavierpibb7414]

@@jmf5246 Garrovick. His son was (almost) killed by the cloud monster in TOS.

[@duplessis2006]

how does a species like that develop such advanced tech and still remain so primordial??

[@cosmeticscameo8277]

like the klingons. you only see their soldiers.

[@Ugnutz]

Just because they seem like they are big dumb lizards dosn't mean they are look at the Tholians they are just Crystaline spiders and they are a space fairing species

[@hotlemonade6643]

Probably Uplifted by another to fight Proxy wars. It doesn't make sense for a Logical writing standpoint for a Species to remain this Primal and have the capability to map Stars.

[@JakeBaldwin1]

@@hotlemonade6643 I bet some kind of disaster forced them to go to space and they happened to make it despite the challenge. We could start colonies on the Moon and Mars with our current technology, but there isn't any reason to do so that would justify the cost. (Except for prestige I guess)

[@prion42]

My theory is the Gorn are born savage animals but as they get older they gain intelligence.

[@JoJoGunn1956]

No audio?

[@stefanandras9382]

Gorn deserve theyr movie.

[@Ethanpond42]

Pike’s peak… performance. As a star fleet captain.

[@EnterpriseKnight]

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