Goshawk Victoria - Has the Trangia FINALLY Met Its Match?!

[@Thereal111t]

I think it’s interesting. It seems to concentrate the flame in a tighter pattern which seems optimal for the smaller diameter pot and pot support. The ability to use the simmer ring even in the narrow support is a huge feature.

[@bobbuhler3753]

After your review on the Steampunk, I took a deep look at Goshawk. I ended up with at least 5 of their stoves or burners. The Victoria was my favorite. A nice, fairly compact, efficient stove. The vortex flame pattern seems to keep the flame coherent and free flowing.

[@bcamping1]

Please put Goshawk in a Trangia27. And see how it does?

[@richardzak2140]

Hello Ernie. Nice video. This stove looks like a winner. The faster that I can get my coffee, the happier I am.

[@Jonsoh811]

The thing I like most? The handle on the simmer-ring and the windscreen/potstand. Those I would like to have, the burner itself doesn't seem to be a major upon the trangia itself.

[@Olyphoto7]

I’m really digging the brass look especially the windscreen/pot stand. Good score!

[@MADHIKER777]

I bought Goshawk EDDY-X-003 and am thrilled with it. Not the lightest stove, but sips fuel to save that weight and it is super stable with its fold out legs. All in one stove, wind screen & pot stand. Highly recommended!

[@arcticradio]

I love Goshawk products and use the Era stove with the little windshield. With a titanium mug this is an awesome system. You rock Goshawk from your fan in Finland!

[@NewHampshireJack]

My family is partial to alcohol (spirit burner) type stoves for many reasons. Any improvement in efficiency or durability will always be welcome. We are able to obtain high-purity ethanol here in the Philippines without too much difficulty. We are able to use our alcohol stoves almost everywhere including areas where open fires and even butane stoves are frowned upon. Thank you for the review and we will be watching for any updated information. Now, off to hit the like button and go search for the availability of this product from our friends down under.

[@MichiganHiker]

Hey thanks for posting this Ernie. Interesting stove I love the flame pattern and it did boil faster than Trangia. I'm also a long time Trangia user, but it's always interesting and you can never have enough alcohol stoves.

[@oxxnarrdflame8865]

Cool stove setup. I too was surprised by the boil performance.

[@starlingblack814]

I like it. I've been a fan of siphon stoves ever since the Toaks Titanium Siphon stove hit the market. Brass is beautiful! Thanks Doc for the review.

[@kennethwilson8633]

Nice stove T has all the extras for us non lightweight campers. Have fun stay safe use care when boiling water.

[@ckelley6940]

Your review has sparked my interest. I need another small burner for a vehicle kit, so I think I will order me up one. And I am glad to see you continuing on.

[@hansakermann]

It'd be interesting if you weighed the fuel consumption of both of them to them for the time for the water to boil. That way we'd get an estimation on how much fuel we'd have to carry with each one. In my opinion that'd be an even better comparison

[@neologian1783]

That's always been so hard for me to pin down accurately. So many things go into boil time....starting water temp, wind, altitude, that I find it really difficult to do anything other than carry about 20% more fuel than I"m sure I'll need.

[@hansakermann]

@@neologian1783 of coyrse it can ever be more than an estimate 🙂

[@neologian1783]

@@hansakermann I agree and that's my point I suppose. For that very reason I see no point in measuring things like a 20 second difference in boil time between two clone stoves. That miniscule variance simply isn't enough to change my fuel calculations for anything like a 2-5 night trip e.g. you're gonna pack the same amount of alcohol no matter which of these two stoves you pack. (Meanwhile anyone running their stopwatch to clock their stove in the back country is doing it wrong IMO.) For me it means all this hyper-focus on such tiny variances is just "geeking out" over essentially nothing and choosing one Trangia style stove over a 100% clone of the exact same Trangia style stove based on such a miniscule difference is funny to me I guess. If you like the stove cool. But let's not pretend it's a breakthrough that somehow re-defines the category. Need to boil water fast but not really "cook"? Grab and integrated cannister stove "system"...(or pocket rocket style burner if you are also weight conscious)....almost any one will do as there are only minor differences between most letig brands. Hell even some of the Chinese knock offs seem to perform pretty well. Want simple, light, silent, and intend to cook or simmer but don't like packing cannisters around? Any Trangia style / spirit burner stove will do as there are only minor differences between legit brands. Need to melt snow at higher altitudes where cannisters can start to fail? Manually pressurized white gas stoves....any brand will do. Pick the system you like based on weight or pack size since when it comes to performance, there are only minor differences between the legit ones Enjoy bush crafting in reasonably dry conditions and like the idea finding fuel rather than packing it?: Debris stove. Almost any version will do as there are only minor differences between legit brands.

[@MrTangent]

Finally a worthwhile clone. I’ll probably stay with the Trangia, but this is a very nice stove. Hopefully they sell the stand alone, I’d be interested.

[@jasonpip5417]

Hey chap,,I watched your catfood burner,,,I made it,,love it..thank you..

[@robertosantinni9656]

Thank you for all your work and reviews.

[@jimnasium2251]

I like it, especially the pot stand/windscreen. I'm also curious how it does with the simmer Ring and how it does in the Trangia 25/27.

[@hike-bike-paddle-and-drone]

OoooooLaLa!!! Sold Out! LOL! Can NEVER have too many burners ..... and I sure do love the quiet boils in the BackCountry! Thanks Ernie!! I will be waiting in line Jeff

[@garywood702]

Finally, looks like someone has developed a serious contender for the venerable Trangia.

[@loripage5477]

Thank you very much for this. Really good review. What would be really interesting is to see how well it copes in the wind. Do you think you would be able to do such a test, and with the Goshawk ERA Burner too? It would be great if you are able to, especially given the provided windshields. Just a thought, and no problem, obviously, if not. Take care.

[@railwaystationmaster]

Personally I think GOSHAWK really missed a trick here to forge ahead of the competition with this particular take on the timeless TRANGIA stove . Had they made this from Titanium and included a threaded top and simmer ring they would have achieved what EVERNEW and all the various Ti knock offs have thus far failed to deliver , the functionality of a classic with the lightweight benefits only Titanium can offer the lightweight camper and outdoor enthusiast .Of course it may be something Titanium pioneers Snow Peak , Evernew or even Trangia are working on , but until it lands there remains an unfulfilled marketplace anomaly .

[@Funkteon]

As an automotive engineer, I can attest to the fact that the reason small 'cottage' companies like Goshawk don't often use titanium is because of the cost of pressing it on small manufacturing runs...

[@turtlewolfpack6061]

Titanium kind of sucks in cold weather for a stove material (alcohol stove) as they take forever to bloom and aren't very efficient.

[@railwaystationmaster]

@@turtlewolfpack6061 try Evenews Ti Trangia clone it may charge your opinion 👍

[@turtlewolfpack6061]

@@railwaystationmaster not likely, it isn't the design that is the issue. Many work very well in warmer weather but it is the nature of the material that makes it a poor winter choice for a burner. The material cools so quickly that it is very inefficient. Even titanium pots (I love mine for the record) take longer to heat in winter.

[@railwaystationmaster]

@@turtlewolfpack6061 not wishing to cast doubt on your reply it is however the fuel that is the issue during colder weather easily remedied by keeping a small bottle in the pocket until needed .

[@seedforsecurity]

If you have time, I'd love to see a comparison using the TRANGIA stove and kettle to heat water. Also as a new subscriber maybe I have not found it yet, but testing the Omnia Oven on a TRANGIA stove for baking. Great channel ! It will take days maybe weeks just to see all your stove and cooking tests.

[@GrumpyGrunt]

Another nice one from Goshawk. Thanks for the look, Ernie! It's already sold out, but I am going to grab another model and some other stuff. Have a good weekend down there.

[@rickzaleski4117]

Hey Ernie, can’t argue about the faster boil time. Thanks for the review…

[@markmartello]

Thanks Doc. I'm still looking for the titanium alternative to the Trangia.

[@peetsnort]

I would like to see a thermal camera showing the heat wastage up the 45 °outwards from the bottom of the pot

[@duncanidaho2097]

Thanks for another great video, Ernie. Goshawk has amazing products. Can you do a review of their CONVERTIBLE stove that is all brass and looks like the old SVEA? Thanks!

[@brianl426]

Currently sold out. Hope it comes back in stock. Want one for my collection..🙂

[@cardiacbob]

Looks fantastic I can't see a downside to this thing and looks pretty damn bomb-proof too.

[@Bootstrapjack59]

Nice video, Thanks for taking the time to do it,

[@viewsandreviews180]

Thank you for sharing this product and your thoughts. I like the cost as well as its performance. I might have a new stove in my future.

[@carls2354]

great videos here, keep them coming !

[@db6283]

Thanks for the review

[@carls2354]

Looks interesting, I will add one to my pack system

[@Trains-With-Shane]

Looks like they're current sold out. I'll probably pick one up if i can catch them in stock.

[@supercomp7078]

I like the flame pattern, seems it may use more fuel as it burns quicker, but is that really an issue, are simmer times similar to Trangia, I make my morning coffee on a primus No 54 I restored, makes it taste better. I have been known to cook my evening meal on it just for fun.

[@Defunct91379]

That is a really interesting stove. Like a Trangia mixed with a pop can stove and svea 123r

[@CharmingGecko]

I ordered one when I saw your last video. We'll see if it's better than my Toaks Siphon.

[@longrider42]

Okay, the burner might be better then a Trangia burner. But I sill like the Trangia stand and wind screen. Which I'm sure concentrates the heat around the pot. But it is interesting.

[@larrylightle9108]

How does the pathfinder stove compare to those two on boil times not so much the weight

[@bushcraftbasics2036]

Looks like a great burner

[@Sgreubel]

The tighter flame pattern is fine for boiling water, but I would like to know which stoves will cook some food more evenly under a medium size skillet, perhaps to fry some eggs and bacon. Perhaps that would make a good video? Thank you for all the time you put into these tests.

[@Mohdock]

The pot stand provides no additional stability. May be difficult to use in some situations.

[@marko7969]

Great video dude

[@fredericpaquette5289]

When will you be doing a review of the new Fire Maple Polaris Pressure-Regulated upright stove ? You told us 2 months ago you would do one and I can't wait to see it ! 😉

[@DrDennis]

Can a Stanley Adventure mug sit on those pot stands? Looks close.

[@taber247]

Thanks again for sharing. Always of interest, no comment on fuel retreaval. Doubtless other videos are on there way, and that aspect wil be covered. Noise they produce 2 other Syphon stoves, the brass/copper open coil and an aluminium stove. Comparison please. I will hunt out this Auzi product. Huge thanks & Take care

[@wilcoxtube]

Ernie - I caught this video the day you posted it, went to the Goshawk site, and the Victoria was sold out. It has been ever since. I have tried to contact the company to no avail. Any idea what is going on? Maybe they are re-engineering so rule can be stored? Anyway, am looking forward to giving it a go, but they seem to be unavailable. Great review, though! Thanks!

[@VortymLichbane]

Looks excellent 😊

[@mariedavis3888]

Thank you so much for your video & comments. I used my old Svea for years & it just kept buzzing along. My Trangia was great as a backup or to make a cuppa when meeting a friend for lunch at a park. The simmer ring was a bit weird - it clipped to the side below the jets & didn't work very well. The aluminum potstand is long gone so I need to take my tin snips to an appropriate ly sized can & borrow a drill to make a new potstand. Both stoves were from the 70s. I've watched a lot of your videos & I really appreciate the time & effort you expend to such a good job. I like that you know the science & do the science as best you can w/ your busy life & time constraints. Thanks again!

[@zandapp]

I enjoy using alcohol stoves. My first was the Trangia 27 cook set. the only downside was the burn time...20 to 30 minutes with maximum fuel. Last year I purchased an alcohol stove from Pathfinders (selfrelianceoutfitters) and with 25% of fuel...it burned for an hour. It's not made of brass but stainless steel.

[@stillme4084]

Quality stuff. But the RedCamp version has been great to me so far.

[@HarshmanHills]

Nice set up for the stove.

[@maxlutz3674]

I like the look of it. Based on your review I might consider it if I needed a stove of that design. The primary mode of failure for this stove might well be corrosion from incorrect storage. As a happy Trangia user I´ll probably stick with my Trangia. With the minor gain in boil time I just cannot justify getting this stove. My oldest Trangia is more than 20 years old, still going strong and presumably durable enough for handing it down.

[@Cross-Country-Biker]

Cool burn pattern

[@duncanidaho2097]

I would think that the makers of these stoves would design it so as to get the burner off the ground, especially in cold weather. I have an Esbit lightweight stainless steel burner holding (up off the ground) and pot holder. It’s important especially to improve stability.

[@davidsawmandave8731]

Sweet stove , love watching all the different stoves , I have to confess it is hard , very hard to beat the cat food can stove with added on pot stand , I use titanium foil for windscreen and nests in the toaks ultralight 550 ml

[@stevesummersell_K4WXX]

Awesome!

[@wio2189]

For me, weight is the number one consideration. My BRS3000T and canister are less fuss and very lightweight. So to bring the alcohol stove out it must be substantially lighter.

[@restonthewind]

I like the pot stand and the vortex flame. It seems stable, but I'm not sure it's as stable as my triangle. I enjoy these review videos, but I need another stove like a hole in my head. If I didn't have two Trangia clones already, I'd consider this one. It seems faster, and it's less expensive than one of my Trangia clones plus my Triangle clone. I'd like to know how well it stores alcohol. My clone stores alcohol, but it corrodes a bit after a while, so I don't store alcohol in it, and I let it burn out before I put it away.

[@robertskinner3068]

Your boil times are going to be significantly longer when you use a titanium pot. Titanium resist’s heat so well it concentrate’s the heat at the point of flame contact where it will glow red, while the sides will be almost touchable.

[@covenantking]

Capillary stoves are generally faster than wick alcohol stoves, so no surprise. If all you’re doing is boiling water, faster is better. But they also burn fuel faster and that along with the heat may not be better for real cooking.

[@alanholley2031]

Good stuff, buy the Aussie gear ! All the best from down under mate 👍

[@tomlovesdiy]

Pretty fast boil time but not much total burn time. The smaller flame ring contributes to efficiency and faster boil time because the flames don't go up the side of the pot. It's EASY to boil faster. Just make more or larger jets. I've made burners with 4, 6, 8, 10, 12 jets. and the diameter makes a BIG difference in boil time and fuel burn efficiency. While working on my squirt cheese can stoves, I found I could get a 4 minute boil of 2 cups 65F water. But as with the Goshawk, the total burn time was fairly short, coming in at about 7.5 minutes. So I embarked on a months-long build and test project to get the most efficient stove possible. Efficiency as defined by boiling the most water on the (standard) one ounce of fuel. That culminated in the last design that boiled 4 cups of 65F water on one ounce of alchohol with 20 sedconds of burn after boil. Granted, the boil time was longer than the Goshawk but I wasn't shooting for a fast boil. My calculations show that burner was 50% efficient. That is, 50% of the available heat energy in the fuel was put to work boiling water. NTFB. See it at Tom Loves DIY KZbin channel. Given the times you got, I think the Goshawk is about 35% efficient. i.e. 65% of the heat energy in the fuel is wasted. sounds critical but I do like the Goshawk's screw on cap and simmer ring.

[@paulfromaustralia7694]

Is it possible to do these tests on the measuring scale using a heat pad or similar? An overhead shot will show the boiling point via the thermometer and at the same time show the fuel used (yes, you might have to press the measuring scale occasionally so it doesn't time-out). Just thinking..........

[@bushcraftoz2]

Sold out

[@hangnwithdosei3266]

So...the Goshawk Victoria in a Sterno Inferno...possibly nearing Jetboil speed?

[@chriscon8463]

I really like this! But my Trangia & Toaks stand/windscreen combo just keep chugging along. It makes it hard to justify anything else.

[@jamesabond9332]

What is it like small pot on stand say like Moka coffee pot (I have titanium version from firebox)

[@MichaelR58]

Good review , thanks for sharing , God bless !

[@noptsdwn]

Price and where do you find them?

[@gedeon2696]

The flame pattern seems better for small pots/pans while Trangia seems better for larger pieces. Note that Trangia is MUCH MORE than just the burner. It's a cooking system of which the burner is only one part - not the whole.

[@davidadams5744]

Just wondering how easy is fuel recovery? Safer, I think, than transporting with fuel in it.

[@MoonShadow74]

Seems to have a hotter more concentrated flame structure than a Trangia but it uses more fuel given that the Trangia has a much longer burning time. Depends on what you want the stove to do.........boil faster or cook food with less chance of burning and longer heating times. Still, the Victoria seems like a winner if it doesn't develop internal problems with the jets.

[@markwhite7881]

Quite impressive actually!!

[@P.E.J.]

cons are very obvious - its very unstabil with that small stand. Good video and good info.

[@CherokeeTwilight]

Is it actually made in Australia?

[@c4mailmanpb]

Ordered the goshawk era burner based on your review will probably order this one. Thanks for your unbiased opinion.

[@michaelthomson5101]

Is it or does it come soldered? Will a Trangia lid screw onto it or will a Trangia O-ring fit the Goshawk? Thanks for the vid. stay tickless.

[@misscdog]

One thing you didn't mention. Are these only available from Australia or is there a US dealer. Because shipping from there would make it a lot more expensive.

[@davidnachbaur6805]

Thanks! The clone does look promising

[@jouzel8951]

Looks good!

[@ScottOwens28]

1 review on the Goshawk says that the cap does NOT screw on, is this true? Thanks.

[@lisantica842]

When I read the title of this video I thought no, nothing can touch Trangia, but I must say, I would like to try this one out once they get stocked back up at Goshawk.

[@Nutz95]

I know that the tragia or possibly any other alcool burner don't really perform the same when it's used for some time or when it's brand new/has just been cleaned. So i was wondering if you clean up the trangia before you make any test comparison with other burners? On your video your trangia seems quite "clean", and i don't recall you mentioning when if/when you have cleaned it before the test (just a thought). On the other side with about 1 minute difference in boil time, i don't really know if a pristine brand new trangia would have this much performance gain? May be you can share your personal thought about it?

[@AtomicBleach]

Would be interested to know what kind of oring it uses in the cap and how fuel tight it is for traveling with fuel in the stove. It's a bit heavier than the triangia and the triangia in my opinion is already a bit too heavy for my liking. Perhaps they will come out with a ti version?

[@panasonicdx902bhometv6]

Could you give the temperature of the alcohol before you start and also let them both “bloom” as it looked like the goshawk was blooming when you put the water on whereas the Trangia you lit and out the water straight on.

[@allenstratton5399]

Looks like a true winner !!!! thank you.

[@LeopoldElwes]

Hello from Vorarlberg Austria 🇦🇹 Where can I buy this stove?😅 Kind regards Leopold 🤗 P.s have you tried the Xboil yet? 🤔

[@seanadams2391]

GO-Shawk baby!!

[@alf3553]

It looks good but personally I use the simmer ring a lot so for me it’s “ how does it simmer”.

[@andrewvickers4487]

After a gazillion "Trangia beaters" I think this one might finally warrant that claim - pity it's currently sold out! This is the one you want to keep pushing Goshawk

[@ernieschatz3783]

Is that Paleo music? 😂

[@brashachilles9725]

Nice.

[@benterwellen]

Looks like a stove I would like to try

[@xjessukx]

That's another stove on my shopping list

[@brianbartulis9709]

Nice flame. It woulda been cool to see the simmer ring adjustments/abill'ies. From their stock photos it looked like on or off. ~ In that, how long/how low could it simmer with a full tank O fuel vs...? I've been impressed with flames achieved on home made copper tube capillary jobbies. I have heard mention it's not best practice to let a Trangia burn completely dry of fuel. Might not hold true with the capillary design? Brass cracking? Is that a wives tale, phenomenon even with ammo brass in a Perfect storm...horse urine atmosphere storage? (-: Does the capillary design just say; here hold my beer and watch this? Like me for giggles sakes. I'll never use one for boiling a pot of water unless steaming something. Coffee in the wood? My tail wags too much when out to bother with. Rehydrated foody as an Ultra-light hiker I'll never. ~ Simmering is a different story/question on my end. Simmering two and a half re-fills longevity of simmering. Do they both or neither slow fuel consumption? Oh yeah, lets watch a pot for prior flame out...take back yer Frisbee, my fish bobber went down. (-: Lots of my twaddle. But actually I cannot find how long a Trangia burns for using the simmer ring 1/3rd cocked closed (limit?). Does the new tuber deflect heat or slow rate of fuel burn? Happy spring all ~

[@jamesthompson6994]

I think you need to redo the boil test, you waited until the Goshawk was blooming before you put the pot on, with the trangia you didnt wait for it to start blooming. So I think the boil time is biased

[@ernieschatz3783]

As a complete cooking system, this doesn't beat theTrangia. Nothing much does