Gotta be honest about Star Wars legends here folks

We need to talk about what it's actually like to read Star Wars Legends here.
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[@sulljoh1]

Aww! Thanks for answering my question, Eck! 🔥

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

I'll take the Vong, the Warlods and even those goofy Ssi Ruuvi a million times over boring "Let's do Empire again but worse"

[@wellendowedplatypus9024]

To be fair, "Let's do Empire again but worse" was also done in the EU (I refuse to use the disney term "legends), twice, I think. And it sucked, at least the one I remember.

[@JMww2]

@@wellendowedplatypus9024 Yet there wasn't any cesure in the continuity, the empire still existed before palpatine came back (he created a imperial civil war between the parties once they captured coruscant to make place for himself) and although greatly diminished after it still went on after he died with the same leaders that were there before. It was just taking ownership of the armed forces with battle medition with his private army including super star destroyer and some experimental super weapon (few in number) added to the mix. It wasnt' he purposoly sucking all the imperial army and navy to form some secret force and placing a dark side puppets such as snoke and kylo ren just just to have a army of oversized star destroyer with death star canon and a group of cultist take over and rebranding...

[@neofulcrum5013]

Yeah the vong are pretty edgy and by today’s standards, they probably would flow naturally in a universe like 40k. But I appreciate that they’re different as as an enemy. Continuously fighting the imperial warlords over and over gets played out pretty quick.

[@tehrulefoo]

The Vong are super interesting IMO and really helped shake things up. Been reading the New Jedi Order series. Really enjoying it so far.

[@mrzirak792]

Ngl i wish there was more of species like Vong in star wars. And by that i mean both bio-punk species, and species that look extra out of place because... Well, they are either from Unknown regions, other galaxy or other dimension. They only thing i may dislike os that, they are kind of ugly?

[@wolfgangervin2582]

Vong: "Our religion venerates pain." Dark Eldar: "Oh-ho-ho! This'll be F U N."

[@mrzirak792]

@@wolfgangervin2582 i haven't followed any recent Dark Elder lore, i basically know them because of Dawn of War, but aren't they all just basically Slaanesh followers but without worshiping Slaanesh itself? Like, they love feeling stuff, at the point they eat souls or something, use wacky battle drugs and feed of enemies pain?

[@corpsedesecrator2612]

They are really unique all Disney did was regurgitate nostalgia goyslop in a rehashed Empire 2.0 and since it was Palpatine it might as well just been the Empire. The NJO did something also unique in where we see The New Republic and the Imperial Remnants being opposing factions unite against this larger and grotesque threat!! The Yuuzhan Vong Wars cemented such Legacy after its end too not to mention from both powerful Sith like Darth Krayt and Darth Caedus being molded for the next stories to come. Overall it was great not to see the freakin Empire and Stormtroopers for once and also the Sith kinda taking a back seat on this one until the epic comeback with LOTF with Lumiya striking back and Darth Caedus and in FOTJ we get The Lost Tribe Of The Sith and Darth Krayt.

[@SharpEdgeSoda]

The Vong are just 40k aliens that got lost in the Warp and wound up in Star Wars. They have that level of goofy-edginess. 40k has a "charmingly goofy edginess" baked into it front to back. I think it was unavoidable really. Considering when they were written and how Star Wars EU had escalated so far at that point, the only place Star War left to go was hyper-violent-hyper-alien-edginess that kicked off with killing off an OT core cast with Chewie to show out of the gate that "No one is safe". They have their own charm in that way.

[@Batou3]

Orcs absorbed by the tyrranids

[@mrzirak792]

I think they worked in a way. In a galaxy farfar away with bunch of weird species like centaurs, werewolf-humans, hammerheads and lowkey lovecraftian fish-folk, what could serve as ALIEN invader? Species like Vong and Ssi-Ruuk, species that use different technologies, that freaked up culture and stuff. Stuff that works on SOUL ENERGY? Hell yeah. Weapons, armor and starfighters that are alive and in biopunk style? Hell yeah. Very metal if you'd ask me. Though i wish there was a Doom styled game set in the era

[@tvrkm6897]

Kinda funny how that works- you can go edgy/grimdark enough for everything to just come off funny. WH4K, Helldivers, Lethal Company, Doom sometimes, FMA (I don't really understand how Nina became the biggest joke from it, when it was absolutely horrible) just off the top of my head.

[@ltb1345]

@@tvrkm6897 What the dog doin'?

[@aaronhedgesmusic]

And the tyranid are just clones of gigers’ aliens then… you can always put down stuff or compare it to other stuff if you want. Creativity doesn’t exist in a vacuum ❤

[@jebuschroist5994]

I appreciate the Vong a lot because they just throw a massive curveball as opposed to the usual Star Wars formula we are used to.

[@Jeff55369]

I like them, purely from the aspect that the death star had a purpose other than just terrorizing the known galaxy.

[@ben501st]

I love the pre-Filoni prequal Legends. There were some neat Clone Wars locations and battles like Rhen Var and Raxus Prime. I also enjoyed the relationships between Qui-Gon and Obi-wan as well as Obi-Wan and Anakin. Both were more intimate and dynamic than what canon has given us.

[@tauoniclightning6697]

The Clone Wars is canon.

[@yospidey0078]

@@tauoniclightning6697 TCW 2008 is canon. What ben was referring to was the original Clone Wars before Filoni which would be the clone wars multimedia project. That was purely Legends and TCW doesn't fit into Legends and should only be in the new canon.

[@tauoniclightning6697]

@@yospidey0078 Oh, I see.

[@yospidey0078]

@@tauoniclightning6697 No problem. I get it all gets confusing. But there were clone wars stories and a whole vast EU before TCW decided to be its own thing. (Which isn't a bad thing) I do think Filoni should have just cleared up how TCW is its own thing but that got somewhat cleared with the disney buyout.

[@michaeutech9201]

Late 1980's... a very nerdy room, perhaps at adjacent to a SW event. 2 hard-core fans meet. One, an anthropologist studying Aztec culture. Two, a marine biologist fascinated by coral. From this unlikely romance, the Yuuzhan Vong are born.

[@starwars90001]

I think we have to remember Star Wars is a fusion of 50s sci-fi movies with dune and samurai movies, it's both off the way crazy and yet completely serouis at the same time. Like story of the first movie is about a farm boy going on a space adventure to save a princess from an evil samurai wizard.

[@lucaslafontaine1]

I still love this Vong content keep it up Eck. Cant watch your hockey content due to the death of the Yotes but will still show up for the Starwars vids!❤😎

[@sulljoh1]

The Vong arc is amazing whatever people say. So many authors planned it out.

[@VERTEX7101]

I wish we had the vong instead of the first and final order

[@PKPhoenix83]

I wish Star Wars died and the KKverse never existed. Would be better to have nothing new than these travesties.

[@kodyshaw6991]

​@PKPhoenix83 I disagree. As poorly produced as the sequels were, they did at the very least bring the concept of Star Wars to a new generation. And the huge advantage for kids who liked the sequels, when they go to watch the other films, the quality only goes up.

[@Knightwolf1994]

Kinda hot take: The First Order could've been good had they basically been Imperial jihadists using guerilla warfare tactics against the New Republic. Also the Sith Eternal would fit better as a subversive cult of Sith worshipers who weasel their way into positions of power and influence so they can overthrow the galaxy when the time is right instead of just "First Order but bigger". Make them the main villains of a cloak and dagger spy thriller series/sub franchise (kinda like the Shadows of the Empire multimedia project from the 90s).

[@jasonfrancese8359]

@@Knightwolf1994And the second especially would’ve been a great contemporary metaphor for the resurgence of fascism in our modern day political landscape, something a lot of the more interesting Canon novels set post-ROTJ have done. I think Jacen’s radicalization of the Republic in the Legacy of the Force novels could’ve been a great blueprint for what Snoke should’ve been. A charismatic leader radicalizing the Empire-sympathetic factions of the New Republic into an attempt to return to the Empire of old would’ve been a way better villain than “Palpatine again.”

[@kenetickups6146]

I'd rather have niether

[@Demonic_Tang]

37 seconds ago? I cannot be this chronically online

[@EckhartsLadder]

you are I fear

[@sulljoh1]

@@EckhartsLadder post-Disney we're all chronically online hoping for the best 🤣

[@DinoEater-mq2cs]

@@EckhartsLaddercan you explain what similarities arc troopers and Mandalorian have in common on their armor. Because Think I saw the same rocket missile launcher thing that is on boba fett also on arc troopers fives.

[@ben501st]

@@EckhartsLadder Fear leads to the Dark Side.

[@deadpatriot4437]

The lost tribe of the sith in legends was actually great.

[@marty2129]

I would definitely want to see more of them. And more of Vestara Khai, too...

[@UGNAvalon]

So what I’m getting from this is: Legends had a bunch of silly moments & storylines, but they weren’t afraid of experimenting. Edgy technophobic extragalactic aliens, soul-powered dinosaur tech, eldritch abominations contained by black holes, giant gravity guns, possession by Sith ghosts, etc etc. - Not every idea stuck the landing, but at least they took the leap. A far cry from Disney Canon, whose first ideas were “Empire 2.0 vs Rebellion 2.0, just with black paint jobs” and then performed damage control with “copying the most popular ideas from Legends”. :/

[@Lonelywookiee]

Ah, but you see, Disney cant even copy correctly! If they could, they could have just made the Zahn Thrawn trilogy episodes 7, 8, 9 instead of the 🐕💩 they gave us. They pulled the character from EU, none of the story that made him an exceptional character, then proceeded to write him as a cracker-jack villain who couldnt strategize himself out of a basic problem. It was a hack job if I ever saw it

[@Dolgan84]

Someone got 40k in my Star Wars

[@sulljoh1]

Palp has opinions on your supposed "Emperor" - who frankly seems more like some relic left over from the Dark Age. A weapon left out of its box, now running rampant..

[@LinkiePup]

We’re not taking it out.

[@mleadenham1]

Wouldn't be the first time *ahem* Pius Dei Crusades...

[@marty2129]

Or the last... Abeloth is a Daemon Prince, change my mind... ;)

[@OptimusWombat]

The Vong are like Cobra-La from G.I. Joe: The Movie. A bunch of weird mutates using organic technology.

[@dvazquez5652]

There’s a movie title I never thought I’d hear again

[@lanceyoung9955]

Had some good stuff in there, but the Vong War series just went on way too long. It was a long few years if you wanted something different. I think best description would be "too bleak, stopped caring."

[@sergioruiz733]

Tahiri kinda gets dragged through the mud from NJO on honestly. I didn't mind her split personality with Rina, it just is a very tropey thing in sci fi in general where the military or someone gets transformed or infected and becomes a weapon that helps the heroes achieve victory by overcoming their transformation or other self. In Tahiri's case it seemed to be a metaphor for her trying to overcome her grief with Anakin, only for Jacen to manipulate that in LotF books. Science Fiction/Fantasy has a lot of silly tropes in general, like remember the Piggies from the Ender'l books or the Space Vampires from Peter Watts' Blindsight? That is part of the charm. Its why I love the Ferengi 😂.

[@Azrenthe1stHighKing]

The Yuuhzan Vong are Great. They are something Disney will never do because they lack the willingness to do things now that aren't Remakes and Reboots. If it ain't "Child Friendly" they won't do it.

[@jovianmelendez]

eh they're a bit too late 90s/early 2000s edgelord for Star Wars but if they could be reworked they could be a great addition to canon. At the very least they are definitely more creative than anything in the Disney trilogy even if they feel a bit ill fitting in the Star Wars Universe.

[@andrewlau6466]

@@jovianmelendez IIRC the pain worshipers are only one faction out of the Vong, They could have leaned more into the creepy biotech.

[@reginaldshort8486]

Del Rey took over and paid proper respect to Bantam but when Disney took over they went out of their way crap on Legends and the fan base

[@DavidRichardson153]

Not that it was ever flawless - far from it - but Legends had a lot more going for it. The wide variety of stories present allowed it to be presentable to a wide and diverse audience. FFS, it's from Legends that we got Thrawn in the first place. Yes, the Vong are ultimately silly and cheesy. Yes, they are essentially 40K making it to Star Wars. Yes, they were after Legends had more-or-less written themselves into a corner. And yes, they were a welcome addition despite - or maybe because of - what they are. Is it wrong to enjoy that stuff?

[@pwnorbepwned]

Fun fact: The Vong were not necessarily meant to be quite so edgy. Doman Shai were the first Vong to invade the galaxy, and they have worship of pain as a quirk. The idea was for each Domain to have their own cultural differences, and that some other Domains might think the Shai pain thing was weird. Later authors in the NJO did not get the memo, and integrated pain-worship into all parts of Vong culture, not just Domain Shai.

[@Hello-bi1pm]

This sounds like typical Star Wars species author tho😂 They take one aspect of a species from a movie and extrapolate that on their entire history

[@intergalactic92]

Yeah I was thinking that too.

[@Shinigamimon434]

I love the Star Wars Legacy comics and the Yuuhzan Vong play a pretty important role in the series.

[@rodolfohernandez3303]

Chessy or not Chessy but Star Wars Legends is the TRUE following up of Return of The Jedi

[@t_hetty1758]

I feel like the tahiri thing can work cuz it’s the finding balance within oneself and with stuff like the unifying force being prevalent works well with the themes but I can see why it’s a bit cheesy with the hug it out thing in her head. Edit: also being a Dino nerd I can’t hate the ssi-ru lol.

[@vasheroo]

I loved the Vong. I loved Mara Jade. I really disliked when KK said they didn't have a wealth of stories like Marvel does.

[@The-Black-Death]

If I'm being honest, I've always considered the Yuuzang Vong to be one of the worst things to come out of the EU, don't even get me started on how they could have easily been dealt with. That being said they're STILL way better than what we have in the Sequel trilogy.

[@MrChupacabra555]

On the Yuzzahn Vong: I've said this before, but it may be more obvious to people now that 'Baldur's Gate 3' has been out: I remember reading a interview with the writer of the first Yuzzahn Vong War novel, "Vector Prime', R. A. Salvatore. When asked about how he came up with the idea for the Vong, he admitted that his experiences with Tabletop Roleplaying Games did play a part in their creation. For those who don't know, Salvatore wrote several novels set in the 'Forgotten Realms' setting of the Dungeons and Dragons TTRPG. In that game, there is a race of people known as the Githyanki: An evil race of tall, lean beings on something of a 'Jihad' against all others, on behalf of their Undead Queen. The similarities of looks and actions of the Githyanki and the Vong seem obvious to me, particularly considering what Salvatore said about their 'inspiration' (I would say 'Legally Distinct' enough to not be sued by Wizards of the Coast). Don't get me wrong: I LOVE the Vong, and have even thought about introducing them into a 'Spelljammer' Campaign ('Fantasy Space Opera'), as the 'Third Race of Gith' 😅

[@Emanon...]

R.A. Salvatore's new York best sellers are based on the character of Drizzt Do'Urden and Forgotten Realms (DnD). He's far more famous for that work than his books in the EU. It's like saying that the grill guy George Foreman also was famous for other stuff...

[@MrChupacabra555]

@@Emanon... Well, yes, he's more famous for the tales of Drizzt. I'm just saying that he probably based his concept for the Vong on the Githyanki, as they are very similar, and he did say that something in the TTRPG 'arena' inspired their creation.

[@Jedi_Spartan]

I really wish the Legends comics were more easily accessible in physical format, even the 'Epic Legends Collection' re-releases are often out of stock because of when they released.

[@iainballas]

Star Wars: Legends galaxy feels so much more... vibrant than the KKCanon. We had the Rebels go right from Endor to teaming up with some Imperials to fight soul-eating aliens... then a couple decades of whack-a-mole with Imperial Warlords. The Dark Fleet Crisis was AMAZING, everything that Timothy Zhan touched was great. Then later on after AotC released, we got a bunch more cultural stuff. Mandalorians got fleshed out... but then Dave Filoni made what was IMO one of his worst moves: Retconning Mandalorians into a pacifist culture with martial history and fringe. We had the Yuuzahn Vong war that took up a lot of my childhood reading. It was so amazing, the Vong were TERRIFYING. It felt like the real end of the star wars setting, and it kinda was. The galaxy after the Vong war was so different politically. And they weren't afraid to kill off characters at important moments! The entire Vong war was set up by killing Chewbacca in *book one* of the series! Towards the end, another major char died... and it was just so amazing. We had so many interesting stories. But I'll admit some of it was WEIRD. Like when Han and Chewbacca showed up halfway through a zombie story for no discernable reason. Of course, no star wars legends book will ever beat Splinter of the Minds Eye for 'Is this really star wars?'. It was the first, and was released before half the core lore (the force, kyber crystals, Luke and Leia's relationship) were defined or known. Now? Everything is scripted according to an algorithm of 'what will get enough people to watch that we can sell toys around the holidays?'.

[@masonickatamike]

But lets be honest here. Legends and New Jedi Order is vastly better then just about everything Disney has done.

[@Emanon...]

Not that much better, but it has heart.

[@Jedislayer_]

When my friend told me bout thevong back in early 2000’s i thought he was crazy

[@roguerifter9724]

I like the NJO books but I wish there had been more new Galactic ship classes in it, and also that the New Class ships from the Black Fleet Crisis. It felt like any new non-Vong warship classes smaller then a Heavy Cruiser and even some of the larger ones were one or two appearances and not seen again. Also there was a two book arc focusing on the protaginsts tryiny to organize an armed anti-Vong force operating independently of New Republic high command. And interesting idea but after those two books they were more a group within the New Republic/Galactic Alliance then an independent force.

[@user-to9ge8ii9n]

These titles are... purposefully chosen. Not wild about the style, but I'm sure analytics support them.

[@HolyDeathFridge]

I know that I'm late, but I really like the fact that in the Plagueis book they mention a sith called Darth Andeddu (undeadu) who was trying to become immortal. Also that there is a sanitorium on a place called Bedlam, just like the real life sanitorium Bedlam.

[@nick90000]

Vong silly??? Imagine life action Vong, pure horror

[@legoforbeginners6950]

My philosophy with Star Wars books in general, unless they're written by Timothy Zahn, or the Dark Fleet Crisis or some such, is to not set my expectations too high. I love Star Wars as a universe (galaxy) and so I always enjoy it, but let's be honest some very famous Star Wars writers aren't actually that great. Micheal A. Stackpole wrote the X-Wing series among others, which is pretty good, but he sucks ass at writing relationships. When I picked up the Dark Tide Duology I didn't pay attention to the author, but I knew who it was as soon as Jacen and Danni Quee started talking. If I want deep storytelling, I pick up ASOIAF or the Witcher or some such. That being said, I quite like the NJO. I'm not quite through because nineteen books are expensive, but I think the Yuuzhan Vong were a great idea. Much needed change of pace after fighting Imperials for nineteen years. Now they're an ally under Pellaeon, a phenomenal character.

[@lordcarnorjax8599]

To be honest the Bantam era of the EU books is a very mixed bag. There's some fantastic stories like the original Thrawn trilogy & the X-Wing series and then there's books like Children of the Jedi & The Crystal Star which are pretty poor. I know everyone hates on Crystal Star as the worst book but I don't think it is, for me it's Children of the Jedi. Funnily enough I just finished rereading the Republic Commando books and in the last couple there's numerous references to Children of the Jedi of all things.

[@elisekehle8520]

#AskEck How do you feel about the vong as an allegory for a newly-unified, post-cold War global economy encountering conflict with the Muslim world? It's basically Star Wars according to Samuel Huntington, and it gets really interesting. I view the rather abrupt switch to reconciling with subversive elements in Vong society as a real-world demanded response to the US wars in the Middle East. Compare it to, say, Star Trek: Enterprise and it actually looks quite thoughtful for the time.

[@UGNAvalon]

Dang, bringing in geopolitics & Star Trek into this channel that specializes in Star Wars & Halo? 😮 It’s an interesting subject, don’t get me wrong (and I’d definitely enjoy an analysis of that comparison), but I think that’s beyond the scope that this channel usually handles. 🤔

[@tylerwilliams3368]

@@UGNAvalonGeopolitics? Sounds like something more suited for Corey. My Dad read NJO back when it originally came out and this was the exact same sentiment he picked up on as well. He always told me how similar the portrayal of the Vong was to the political view of Muslims and the Middle East was during that time. Would love some more info on this!

[@thelordofcringe]

​@tylerwilliams3368 ironically, two decades later a certain group in the middle east went "bet" and tried to outdo the Vong... its kind of wild that no one talks about them anymore, considering they're so infamous I can't even type their 4 letter acronym here without getting my comment poofed.

[@connorledwith98]

The sequels should’ve been The Yuuhzan Vong war, 3 Vong movies would’ve been far better than what we got. You could’ve also done a Caedus movie/trilogy after if the Vong movies went well. Such a shame Disney didn’t use the lore left to them by Lucas

[@Hello-bi1pm]

What parents would take their kids to an R-rated Star Wars trilogy

[@themeddite]

I think before the Vong invasion star wars legends is perfect.

[@DarkVaati13]

#askEck What is your thoughts on the Tapani Sector? The local noble houses, the freeworld region, and their ancient connections to the Jedi and Sith make it a pretty interesting region. They had an old Empire that was allied with the Republic, are really involved with the Bacta trade, and Fondor is located within the sector. I'd love to hear you talk about their super impractical ships if nothing else.

[@konata8657]

ive finally taken the dive into the new jedi order series. im halfway through the 3rd force heretic book and ive been loving it. its corny at times but its a breath of fresh air from the disney "canon" stuff

[@chimera6485]

All honesty, I really like the vong war. It's different yes but that isn't a bad thing. Also it sets up the fall of Jacen solo which is one of my favorite characters. I know that one is an unpopular opinion but still.

[@Zeta1127]

That was why I refuse to acknowledge anything after the NJO. Darth Caduceus does a tremendous disservice to Traitor by Matthew Stover. I had issues with Star by Star by Troy Denning, then he ends up being the primary author after the NJO, to the point I call the post-NJO the Denningverse. The Denningverse ends up being connected to Mortis from TCW, which is another thing I didn't care for. This is why I was going to have a problem regardless of the Legends announcement, I was dissatisfied with the direction the EU was headed thanks to the post-NJO and TCW, but I was going to have a difficult time embracing the new timeline from a canon reboot unless it was really good.

[@wvchemteach]

Yes much of Legends are cheesy, and yet at its worst it is better than most Disney Wars.

[@sluggerbutter]

the idea of the vong is rly cool an intergalactic alien race taking over the star wars galaxy im so so so tired of rebels vs empire over and over again

[@alexfgenualdi]

I wish this video had been twice as long.

[@victinhalcyon2646]

I always had a very fond remembrance of the legends novels I read growing up in the '90s, but then I realized that I basically only read the X-wing series and the Zahn's original Thrawn trilogy plus the duology that came out years after, which I'm guess account for the creme de la creme of the franchise's novels. I tried to read the first NJO book a couple years after they started coming out and bounced right off of it -- the tone felt very different from those other ones I'd read. Black Fleet Crisis is the only other one I can remember getting through.

[@tatepalmer1997]

Factions compared idea sci fi insect swarm. Such as Tyranids, Arachnids, Zerg, Rachni, Terminids.

[@helicopter2992]

1 MILLION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I've been following for years, proud of you brother!

[@Swatman170]

#AskEck 6:50 What exactly is a proper scaling of, for example, a Battle during the Warlord Era of Legends? What are these mistakes of scale and what do they look like in comparison to what should be expected from the scale of a Star Wars Ground or Space Battle during the latter stages of the Galactic Civil War and during the Warlord Era after Endor?

[@intergalactic92]

From memory the Yuuzhan Vong essentially evolved parallel to the primary galaxy so their technology was completely organic rather than synthetic. In practice all it mean was that they could do all the same things that we knew and recognised just with this corally aesthetic, which I am all for. It creates a technology vs nature type of conflict. Shame they misunderstood the sadomasochism aspect wasn’t supposed to be a feature for all of them, just that one clan.

[@kibikiwi175]

Extragalactic, anti-tech, anti-Force, masochistic space Mongols are awesome and the Skywalker-Solo family of the New Jedi Order era will always be my favourite part of Star Wars chronology along with the Darth Caedus arc that followed it. I did find the Swarm War was weird and the Abeloth and Krayt continuity felt a bit too disconnected, it really felt like they played off the end of each story to move into the next, and keeping each story self-contained (a big problem with all SW content to this day). Disney messed up this era in Canon so bad and I stand by that, things would be better if they worked and adapted the Zahn books, NJO and Legacy into a continuous story for an actually universally agreeable Sequel Era. Anything would be better than the atrocious production quality and storytelling we get now.

[@tehrulefoo]

That was my hope when Disney started making Star Wars. I really wanted the new canon would be a remix of the best Legends stories, while trimming out all of the fat. If only I knew how bad things were gonna get back then.

[@quantum_ogre]

Were they edgy and cheesy? Yes. But there was something very unsettling about creatures that worked by different rules upturning the familiar galaxy that made them a great addition to the villains in terms of just shaking things up and putting the reader in a place of uncertainty.

[@butteredbutters]

#AskEck Honestly a pretty simple question. But what institution within the Empire do you think did the better job? The Imperial Security Bureau or Imperial Intelligence? Love your channel man!

[@MRDLT00]

#askeck Speaking of the old Legends books, have you ever looked into the “Galaxy of Fear” series of books? Had a lot of spooky interesting stories and ideas, and even Thrawn pops up in one of the books.

[@marquezlawson2988]

Still waiting for them to turn the vong series into audio books

[@tehrulefoo]

There's a KZbin Channel called Hidden Gems thats been doing audiobooks of the Vong stories. Look for New Jedi Order Audiobooks. First in the series is Vector Prime. The voices are AI, but they're really well done.

[@charliedulin]

Hunh... Thats a crazy coincidence. Ive been rereading New Jedi Order also and am in the Final Prophecy now. I read through Chapter 6 at lunch. I love Tahiri

[@ZoeMalDoran]

Tahiri is made of awesome, isn't she?

[@vallettapetracyneran8587]

#askeck Ligit question for the balance of power, why does everyone want Hapes on side? I mean the Imperial Navy at its prime could have easily won.

[@m1tthrawnuru0d06]

The Hapan military had several ship yards, plus some tech the empire wanted. Plus there was the financial bonus they would give to which ever side they joined.

[@vallettapetracyneran8587]

@m1tthrawnuru0d06 that maybe the case but that's not enough to keep them out of affairs. And I would add that yes, the Hapan have 300 Battle Dragons. The Empire had 25,000 ISDs

[@jacobdarling1524]

I never liked the Vong and never thought of them as being Star Wars. Killing Chewie was pretty metal but yeah they’re premise/function as a big shakeup for the setting was cool but aside from that the execution of the idea was very meh.

[@cmoney3163]

I'm reading Fate of the Jedi now. I'm three books in and I like it so far. Sure the plot and characters arent exactly the most complex but I keep finding myself asking "what happens next?"

[@Dragon_Werks]

Author R.A. Salvatore said that he got just massive amounts of hate mail, including a shit ton of death threats, over killing off Chewbacca.

[@kenetickups6146]

The Ssi Ruvi are superior to the vong in that they are scary but actually feel like star wars

[@austinmeans7294]

Just sat down for dinner and I see a new Eck upload. Life is good my friends

[@PunkRockPundit]

I've been a Star Wars fan since '77 and I'll be the first to admit that a lot of it is pretty silly and cheesy. That's one of the things I love about it. It's a space opera. It's supposed to be a little over that top and ridiculous. These are all just fun stories to get lost in for a while and escape the everyday drudgery of life.

[@Cos_Why_Not]

I just realized that the Vong are literally the pain-loving species from that Rick and Morty episode, Amortycan Grickfitti

[@dilloncrowe1018]

(Eckheartslatter criticizing the EU at all) Me: "So you've chosen death..."

[@DraculaCronqvist]

Star Wars Legends had bad stuff in it, but many awesome things. Just thing of the Old Republic stuff and the New Jedi Order era things. Disney EU is *all* bad, from start to finish.

[@sheilaolfieway1885]

Legends also is so much more in depth has so much more details probably because it existed longer but still KYLE FREAKING KATARN

[@AlexVanderGriend]

Hey Justin its Alex! Long time sub. Would you do a deep dive? Something from legends like a play x play of jedi academy, the yu zon von invasion? the fall of one of the skywalkers (or solo) boys into the dark side to 'save' the galaxy? What I would love is a comparison / outline of Luke / Leia / Han in the Thrawn trilogy, then the yuzonvon invasion, and then in Fate of the Jedi. I truly believe a majority of us are more interested in a video 30+ min deep dive versus these (as of late) under 10 minute quick rants. A whole video of legends fate of jedi about just the planet of sith and all that, or the senate / leia / all the politics and intrigue involving the empire remnant post invasion involved in politics in the senate etc etc. Yours truly!

[@dahelmang]

That's what killed my investment in Star Wars. I was never the same fan after Chewie died. I reread the older books several times, though.

[@bbdf21]

Legends was the best Star Wars.

[@herodaresfire4512]

How dare you call Waru silly. He is the coolest.

[@JustPanda2305]

#AskEck Since the Yuuzhan Vong never made their appearances in the canon timeline in any point of time, if they entered the galaxy after the events of the battle of Exogul, is the galaxy pretty much screwed?

[@YodeltheHero1]

#askeck hey could we get a video talking about the older mon cal ships from legends, not sure if that's been done in a while. I'm talking the Viscount, MC80B, MC90, heavy carrier. I would love this, it could be interesting!

[@EckhartsLadder]

yeah sure

[@dezkeiz4946]

#askeck What are your thoughts on the Victory-II Class Frigate? As in the one made for the OG Battlefront 2. There isn't much lore on it, but if you would what additional lore would you write for it and what role would you have it play in a fleet or narratively?

[@majesticmsfc]

Hence why Star Wars needs Hobbie and Wes Jenson back. We need some silliness again.

[@jeremymontgomery9354]

All of legends is silly, but loved anyway.

[@eaglegaming2301]

I believe the reason why the yuzzhan vong war being largely ignored post njo, was mainly because of troy denning pretty much throwing it all down the trashcan when he spearheaded the legacy of the force books and the dark nest trilogy. speaking of legacy of the force, eck, what are your thoughts on that trilogy of books.

[@SnowyRVulpix]

The New Jedi Order is my favourite part of Star Wars. Its the best and the Vong are the best villains

[@therepublic21]

Legends makes a thousand percent more sense than canon will ever

[@austinmeans7294]

#askeck We've seen plenty of videos on bioweapons and chemical agents in star wars, but what kind of actual diseases are there? How do cures work? What if any planets have been quarantined off because of Disease? Thanks Eck, as always loving the videos!

[@GrievousReborn]

The Yuuzhan Vong make me think of the metal bands Gwar and Lordi.

[@gavihacohen]

Palpatine had a secret son with three eyes

[@serventium4049]

Bit of a weird question, but would using interdiction fields and gravity manipulation to “throw” a ship be a viable alternative to hyperdrives?

[@SolomonMagnus819]

Probably could throw but not that far or that fast

[@mvmusic8467]

Lets be real it’s a fantasy scifi world. Those technologies can do whatever the current writer wants, theres no point getting into the nitty gritty of something that can be changed on the fly.

[@notsorrybricksanimationstu4917]

Do you think the new canon needs to make New Republic troopers look similar to their legends counterpart? #AskEck

[@hydrakn]

#AskEck who is a Jedi you think has a story that is super unique, like doesn't "rhyme" but is very Star Wars but we haven't seen in animation, live action, film etc? Like a character who isn't 'the usual suspect' Jedi everyone thinks of?

[@ncprime9447]

Not gonna lie, I watch many of your videos through to the end for the doggo. Sad to see no doggo at the end.

[@DisFantasy]

I just wanted to go to the Unkown Regions and hang out with Mara and Luke.

[@DerrickAliyas]

Rather than the yuuzhan Vong would you rather it have been a progenitor of the sith who have become more powerful and have their own armies who have an origin or one single Sith being who opposes Luke and is prophesied to consume the entirety of the universe/force is also immortal and comprised purely of the dark side of the force

[@Hello-bi1pm]

George Lucas blocked the Sith race idea

[@miguelderojas4675]

I read somewhere that, when they were conceptualizing the New Jedi Order series, they contemplated using the Sith species as antagonists before they decided to create the Yuuzhan Vong. I've always thought that they made a mistake there. The Sith would have fit much better into the overall Star Wars story, while retaining most of the strangeness of the Yuuzhan Vong. Anyway, I left the boat after Vector Prime, but I think fatigue was a factor even before that book.

[@Hello-bi1pm]

George Lucas blocked that

[@miguelderojas4675]

​@@Hello-bi1pm Thank you for pointing me that. I didn't know it was him, yet it was clear that the instruction was "be more original." I still think it was a mistake. The line between originality and thematic inconsistency is very fine, and I feel (but this is a matter of taste) that Yuuzhan Vong pertain to the later.

[@richardrobinson1651]

The new canon also has some ridiculous titles. Case in point, Phasma.

[@Emanon...]

The Yuzhan Vong: If Tyranids were emo teenagers...

[@TheEthernal]

#AskEck Hi Eck! I got a strategy question. If you had to choose to be one of the imperial warlord splinter-factions after the Battle of Endor that isn't the "imperial remnant", which would you be and why? What would you do diffirently from how the lore presented that warlord?

[@wafflefuher9842]

#AskEck Have you read the Ascendancy Book Series? In it Thrawn and admiral Ar'Alani seem convinced the Chiss Acendancy could bring down the Republic/Empire if it had to. Their reason for believing that is never really explained but they clearly don't think it could be done conventionally considering the Chiss have a few hundred ships tops. What methods do you think they were considering?

[@StarkTripod2006]

you keep saying 'the truce at bakura' and it sounds -to my ears- like the true sepakura

[@Arashmickey]

Lando Calrissian Adventures was kinda silly and endearing if a little boring.

[@Batou3]

The shrills problem with the vong is they’re nothing like the empire or the sith. So they meed visual aids to understand anything.

[@luffytaro14]

Star Wars offseason right in time for NHL

[@Keith-b4v]

After this sequel trilogy and the probable Rey film, what new era would you like to see after? As for me, I'm looking forward to seeing a Galactic Dark Age a few decades after Rey's death, similar to that of our Dark Age in which we had civilization and knowledge decline, rise of disease, corruption, with the Jedi and Mandalorians going through a Golden Age similar how the Middle East and Asia went through a Golden Age while Europe went through a dark age. We can have that for the Star Wars galaxy as a semi-reboot to everything. Would that be something you would be interested in or what new era would you like to see after the Rey Era? #AskEck

[@Hello-bi1pm]

Disney is allergic to thinking deeply about the world, they're interested in exploiting the imagery