GR Yaris RUINED by Seating Position?!?

[@mgcharoudin]

I wish it would be a clickbait, but unfortunately it isn't.

[@swift9417]

First of all I love this car. But how could Toyota mess the seating postion up this much? They almost went full ham with everthing (manual gearbox, carbon and aluminium parts, aggressive AWD, wide body, etc) and then decided to put in those seats -.- As I said no hate to the car. It probably annoyes me this much because my love for the GR Yaris is over 9000 ^^

[@tommihommi1]

I think they just didn't think of TÜV, in most other countries these mods would be no problem at all. The seat is so high because otherwise you could see even less over the stupid infotainment screen lol

[@Gijzzzzzzzzz]

@@4kilo32 a brand one?

[@mikeormond7883]

You need to be shorter

[@mrfxmuc2493]

It´s a road car, not a race car! Yaris ruined by seating position, supra ruined by bump steer... Come on, thats bullsh...! If you have problems with Toyota cars, don´t buy it!

[@alexoehler1]

You can put Recaro Sportster CS (Misha's Golf seats but with airbags) and keep it a clubsport spec. I think that may be your best bet.

[@gm_r2727]

Recaro Pole Position would be even better in my opinion

[@alexoehler1]

@@gm_r2727 Poles don't have airbags nor the option to have them. Sportster CS with the airbag version do

[@vipecrx]

probably wouldn't be much lower. Even pole positions might not (seat adapter+rails+ side mounts)

[@gm_r2727]

@@vipecrx instagram.com/p/CJIwIklpuLw/?igshid=qkiqqk7gk96h

[@vipecrx]

@@gm_r2727 pole position are not an option...

[@jbu89gb]

Lead the way, find a decent TUV approved method to remove the seat mount towers and lower them. You could even sell a solution for all of us who'd like to drop the seat and help to soften the blow if Toyota did decide to drop the seat in a future model.

[@dirkzimmermann4314]

Robert, with my GR Yaris I am going to build a seat console that lowers the level of mounting point for the seat itself. Idea is to keep the seat in between the free space of the pillars. The pillar fixation points or 450mm of distance, but for a race or PolePosition I need less distance to mount. So I will produce special brackets that will fix the seat rails at this 450mm distance and will have fixation points for the seat itself. The fixation points on these brackets towards the seat will be lower than the pillar hight. Hope I could explain it clear enough. If you want I can send you a STEP-file of the brackets.

[@antonytomlinson8663]

This might need a picture to explain what you mean. There are two approaches that I can think of. Solution 1: use the existing (high) mounts and then somehow have a subframe that drops lower and attach the seat rails to that lower subframe. The seat would need to be narrow enough to drop between the mounting points. Solution 2: similar to the first in that the seat needs to be narrow enough, but build some new lower mounts and fix them to the chassis cross member. Another frame may be required to attach to the seat rails depending if the rails can be repositioned closer than the original ones. Yes, this is hard to explain! I'm 178cm tall and have driven a GR. The seat height was my only complaint. It does feel too high, like you are sitting on top of the seat rather than in it. Other than that a great fun car.

[@7s29]

That's a great idea, thinking outside the box.

[@vapenkastudios5259]

Hello Dirk, was thinking the same as you do. Can you please share the STEP file as na inspiration?

[@hristohristov8787]

I think with full cage and lower mounted and more supportive seats will be a good idea.At the end safety comes first.Great video sir!!!

[@tiffanymitchell4338]

“Shaky hands Patterson” 😂 hey George :)

[@snoopydogg1]

🤣😂👍👌

[@Inazuma68]

Roberts Wife or Sister?

[@stfu6397]

@@Inazuma68 wife

[@blraider9724]

You are suppose to hold on to these types of issues until you’re ready to release a VERY thorough “5 Things I Hate About...” video. Come on, Robert. You’re throwing off the KZbin cosmos.

[@tooclaws]

Lol this is true. :)

[@PaSe_Miata]

Thank you for bringing this up. Had a test drive recently and my biggest complaint was the seating position/seating way too high. So if you find a solution to legally cut of those ridiculous pillars please and mount the seats directly on the crossbar do it and help other german Yaris GR drivers with how you have done it and how you got TÜV for it. I was considering buying one but the seating position ruined it for me (coming from an MK1 MX5, so I'm used to the absolute opposite) and even with no cage I would do this if it was allowed. And I think I'm not the only one who wants to do something like this.

[@zebra3519]

This is why I like this channel, Robert knows his stuff.

[@RobertMitchell]

thx James!!

[@zebra3519]

@@RobertMitchell Pleasure Robert. You, Misha and not forgetting main man Tim, are Top Gear. Love it.

[@faranahmad]

I like this new style of these vids Robert!

[@behindthen0thing]

These

[@faranahmad]

@@behindthen0thing ah yes thank you

[@esmeabela9866]

Toyota has been descriminating against siren-head people for years now...

[@mahu142]

The Yaris GRMN had loads of headroom, i mean head room :-)

[@KevBoy3D]

Coneheads (1993)

[@CTaH4o]

Another great review from Robert! No influencer bulsh*t , just real talk on the car issues! As i see unfortunately some people giving ‘dislike’ cannot accept that people might have different opinion....

[@gt4viking789]

“ Where he’s ultimately going to crash it”, ...........Brilliant 😂👏🏻

[@williamcooper6104]

This has to be tier 1 media, we'll get u there Robert. Great Video!

[@RobertMitchell]

Tier 1 for life!

[@R1j0hn]

I think modifying the existing mounting brackets to lower the seats is the best option...

[@Gijzzzzzzzzz]

Toyota needs to talk to McLaren regarding seating position.

[@mazespinwastaken.]

🤣🤣🤣 lol

[@snoopydogg1]

True story....

[@tiffanymitchell4338]

You know what’s interesting? I’m quite small and have to hold myself up by the steering wheel in order to see over the bonnet of a McLaren, have more than 6inches between myself and the back of the seat and with the seat position all the way forward I’m tip-towing the brake. I guess it’s all relative ;)

[@Gijzzzzzzzzz]

@@tiffanymitchell4338 definitely all is relative! However don’t you agree a MAJOR car company like TOYOTA should be able to cater for both of us? My E92 M3 does! Seating position works for me and my better half (measuring 1.69m) 😀

[@lewistheberzerker]

Mechanic/cameramen!!! Damn!!! That's Tier 1 for you... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@basithph8958]

As much as I love the GR Yaris it’s sad to see such good cars like this having this kind of flaw At least we can fix that issue with mods!

[@ZLAKLR20B]

engineers, as great as they are, they ALWAYS fuck up at least one thing, doesnt matter if its car, tools, electronics....there is always at least 1 thing that stands out as a flaw to the end user. Now ide be happy with a GR Yaris as I wouldnt use it as a cages track car, I have my RX7s for that, but as a safe, well handling, nippy frugal fun daily driver, hell yes!

[@masashiiino6914]

@@ZLAKLR20B very true

[@LaurentSCHMIDT]

Test drove the Yaris GR this morning, I'm 1m85, the seating position is unnacteptable.. :( I hope they change this soon because otherwise the car is very good !

[@lloydtucker]

I think if you cut the mounts and can prove to TUV that the lower position is safer they may accept the modification

[@Kalandaari]

I have the same problems for the seat mounting points in my project car, except mine can't be cut away as they are part of the shell/floor. I'm still trying to figure out how to work with this but it won't be easy. I definitely can relate. Good luck, can't wait to see how you're going to work this out, maybe it'll help me :D

[@RobertMitchell]

I wish you good luck!!! ill keep you updated for sure here how we come along

[@kvcsoliver]

I was wondering if the steering column can be adjusted low enough. 🤔

[@RobertMitchell]

The adjustment is actually pretty good on the steering column!

[@bobimoto28]

Really on point as allways...i never understood why car companies do stupid things like...they built an amazing car but ruinned the seating position

[@FaithlessEmoRacing]

I think you should should lower the seat mounts and then patient the design you come up with, then sell it back to Toyota for the 2021 and 2022 GR Yaris!

[@supertieka]

Hi Robert, you're hitting such a critical point for me, as I'm 6'4". In Italy most often you need to drive in track days with a mandatory helmet, no chance for me to drive most cars with it. I believe driving position is a key factor in driving skills, most experienced drivers are just not sitting correctly in the car. In my case, finding the right position is my first choice factor when I choose a new car. So sad the Yaris can't make my next one.

[@chrisg4rr377]

The seat towers are just typical tossbox seat mounts. Loving the honesty

[@snoopydogg1]

Oooh interesting dilemma.... from a business point of view ditch it....but from an engineering point of view it would make great content to change it.... cause #racecarlife 😂🤣

[@robertbroekema]

Better than nothing or a fulltime filmcrew: its more about the story you're telling, good quality of the video is a bonus.... imho. But hey, imperfections in this world make it interesting :) Misha said the car inspires (maybe too much)confidence, a cage might strengthen that feeling and people might go overboard(?). The GR Yaris without a cage might then be more interesting for less experienced drivers..but then.. safety.. Thanks for the content! Love it

[@RobertMitchell]

Thanks for the great comment and the support on the vid style.-). We enjoy trying for one take even if a bit of rough edges

[@shaunwhitfield112]

Cool vid Robert 👍👍seems strange to put the mounts so high 😉😉😉when you pointed out the solid crossmember just below 👌that would seem like the most sensible mounting point 😉😉😉😉loving the vids 🙌🙌🙌👍😎

[@Mr1Netrom]

As some one that is 2 m tall I already find it very annoying that I don't fit in a lot of cars and especially small fun cars like a gt86 Audi TT. But when the manufacturers obviously does it on purpose and not for the lack of space it's almost offensive

[@r129r16pfl]

I am tall - If I wanted Yaris, I would choppe the mounts and install racing seat on fixed mounts - to get the lowest possible seating position. Just like the rally teams are doing*

[@Mr1Netrom]

@@r129r16pfl Just sad that you have to modify a brand new car to make it usable, and this is not just a Toyota issue. Same thing goes for most medium sized cars and even crossovers and some suvs. And in those cases I have a hard time believing that it's an issue with the car size, it's just that they don't care.

[@r129r16pfl]

@@Mr1Netrom Tall guy problems! When I buy a new or used car, I don't mind the oem seating position (90% will be compromised for a tall guy), because I know I will improve it anyway, because I am a sucker for perfect driving position :) It's a comfort and safety thing to feel comfortable at the wheel.

[@sibbese3740]

If you get approval I would suggest to lower the seat mounts -> weld them in 2-3 inches lower or go full WRCC style and mount directly to the floor.

[@nathandrake6531]

I'd love to see it full Robert spec! get the grinder out

[@azharcassim2795]

Those 9cm mounts are seriously ridiculous! It be interesting to see what direction you guys end up going with. However, for my money, I would certainly tend towards investing effort in lowering the mounting points. I guess the rally car is a great place to start and perhaps try and replicate their setup somehow. Of course we accept that it has to be done such that the original stiffness is maintained (at a minimum) relative to the original high mounts. In other words, if the experts are confident that they can lower the mounting points in a safe and reliable way then I'd certainly go for it. However, and very importantly, since so much effort will be put into it by this time, one has to install some sweet RECARO bucket seats or something awesome along those lines :) And that should also solve the harness mounting issue... Cheers!

[@RobertMitchell]

The sad thing to keep in mind is that we have a bolt in cage (removable) and then we have permanently modified seat towers. Just doesn’t go together does it?!

[@dodge3048]

Toyota didn't expect to sell many GR Yaris worldwide. They will be releasing a basic 1.5 NA in JDM which they expect to make up the majority of sales and those sales will be to people who are mainly shorter than those in the West. Toyota wouldn't go the expense of homologating a GR-specific bodyshell with lower seat mounts.

[@CarvingCanyons]

Robert sliding in for the safety Win. I love it!

[@BanzaiYaris]

On the Japanese RC spec with the factory cage they run the cage bar you're referring to ABOVE the roof liner and it punches out in 2 holes along the A pillar. Wish I could share a photo.

[@itsJulianLam]

I'm hoping Toyota Gazoo Racing HQ in Japan are aware of this high seating position issue for taller people and have this problem fixed before I take delivery of my GR Yaris in November 2021.

[@tonyradossi7280]

Hi there, I think that you can think of changing the seats, as yuo said it's a must since they're not racing, and fix the new seats on the ground of the car rather than using the pillars. Of course you'll have to make sure the new seats are compatible with the modification.

[@md60100]

Hi Robert, I would cut and lower the seat mounting points (if it is still TÜV compliant ofc), so you can still make it a Clubsport spec. I think that will work out nicely with the stock seats or take Recaro Sportster CS's.

[@AmjadJDM]

CUT THE MOUNTS! As someone with a GR Yaris on order, I was also disappointed to see how high the seats are mounted! I would love to see those chunky pillars trimmed down to allow the stock seats +/ aftermarket buckets to be utilised properly!

[@dnt1971]

I'm only 5'10 but with short legs and a massive turnip head and I almost cancelled my order when I finally got to drive one. Looking forward to your solution to this problem. I'd like to be able to wear a lid but I won't be fitting a cage or harnesses.

[@user-od9iz9cv1w]

Seems like most would prefer it with a lower seating position. Your best compromise may be to remove the silly seat pillars, install the stock seats 8cm lower, keep the air bags and install the half cage you have now built. Then use stock seat belts and run it as an enhance stock car, not a race car with race harnesses. That way it is safer with or without a helmet, and a better driving position for average customers. The cage looks great.

[@JamesDyer90]

I'm 181 and do not fit with a helmet unless I have a massive amount of seat recline. I'd love to keep the standard seats so modifying the towers is at the top of my list. Cannot believe this oversight!

[@YachtReport]

Would be interesting to see what you can do with the seats. But perhaps making something like the rally guys use so you can return it to stock later might be an idea. Leave the mounts and make your own. Perhaps a frame that connects to the existing mounts but has mounting points lower in the car for the seats?

[@sultanoftippoo3857]

I guess these videos provide inspiration to those that want to modify their cars but I’ve covered a fair few miles in my GRY and I can’t see what the fuss is about. I’m 6ft and can see perfectly well with the drivers seat as it is and it provides good support even when driving “enthusiastically”. Oh, and the other thing that amazes me is the criticism on the rear view mirror that apparently creates a blind spot. Yes, if you like watching birds in the trees I can see that would be the case but if you are concentrating on the road it isn’t an issue at all.

[@anthonyscott4498]

You really don't need a roll cage ❌ And to lower the seats by 4 inches get the and fit rails that mont into the cross tracks with lever action to get you perfect ride persition , good luck god bless all 👍☘️🙏

[@smee1198]

It would be interesting to see how the width of the Recaro CS compares to factory and if it's even possible to fit between the mounts. Also what are the tuv guidelines for fitting a different airbag seat into a car they weren't designed or engineered to be in? Whoever solves this problem will be the go to company.

[@RobertMitchell]

The recaro rails use factory mounting patterns sadly (not really sadly as this is what makes them work on all cars)

[@smee1198]

@@RobertMitchell is the base width narrower on the CS vs stock seat? Could the CS sit lower between the rails with a custom mount? Sadly in Australia I don't believe we can engineer in a different airbag seat to pass the ADR here which is our TUV.

[@Agent.Michael_Scarn]

I guess this is what happens when the two main testers of the car are 5ft9 and 5ft7

[@MrSlomt]

Tough call, but if I run the biz, i would keep it stock and use it as a rental and instruction vehicle

[@MattGreenland]

The delema is intresting in regards to the ability to change out parts like the seats. Modified seat mount is 100% the move fowards, not so hot on the half cage from a street saftey perspective, but those are the rules. If that's the only thing that the car has wrong, then that's not bad.

[@MrW8411]

I remember the same complaints being made about the focus RS upon release. Ford answered the question as to why they’re so high. Crash safety. If they were to lower the seats, the hips of the occupants are put in danger and would require a total redesign of the safety “cell”. Maybe the case with the Yaris? I sure hope not!

[@sendboi_9726]

Completely understand the frustration, I have the same problem with my Polo GTi 6R. Everyone above 180cm is too tall for this cars I guess.

[@belikof747]

I completely agree. I was very excited before testing this beast. But the experience was very different because of this seating position where it is hard to feel the car. At this point im not so sure i still want the car because of this. I got plenty of room in my Audi S1 and i'm able to seat very low.

[@911marcus]

Robert, please don't do things by halves ;-) Change the seat brackets and please mount 2 Recaro SPG XL so that I can fit in with my 1.91 and long back, have test-driven the little Toyota power dwarf and my head was in the sky when I got one had a reasonable seating position ... so that there was room at all I had to tilt the backrest backwards. I'm looking forward to the result.

[@pazera66]

Hyundai i30N also has problem with seating position due to electric seats. I like seating in barebone i30 much more due to this :/

[@PaulGIS]

i think you can go either way. 1. keep everything stock, road car, original seats but still, try and modify the mounting points, cut them or move them to make the original seat go lower 2. use aftermarket seats with airbags, like recaro sportster cs but still modify the mounting points and put clubsport rollcage 3. go full banana and make a nice fast and safe racecar. I understand your concern about the false confidence the car provides, but still.... you rent much faster cars in which it is "easier" to crash. I'm no expert but i would love to see the full potential of this little thing. cheers

[@zrevan4262]

Hey there Robert! I just wanted to add some more thoughts about how this car could be set up. since the original idea for that car is something of a Rally Reject (homologation), why not go that route and make it a tarmac rally car. so complete suspension and brake upgrade really quality parts. lower the seats and strip the interior. may need to put some weights on the back axle to balance the front weight bias. put on a nice rally inspired wing to minimize drag without increasing the downforce over the rear axle. Engine: only intake exhaust and ECU tune. the engine will be making a bit more power but retune the ECU to make the engine even more smooth and nice to use. no BIG gains like HKS needed since I am feel a balanced approach to upgrading the car is nicer to use then going crazy. in the end it will be a sleeper looking car but with a lot of usable and safe performance ^^ upgrade the locking Diffs too but I will leave that to the experts for advice when needed. not familiar with those. GR yaris already has good diff setup from factory I believe. ohh yeah forgot about the roll cage but u got that covered already. thanks for reading and reacting to our comments. means the world when the company owner himself is active! ^^

[@jeffreyb.1657]

Thought: 1. Recaro sportster CS with airbags. After cutting the seats' 9cm elevator shoes. 2. Half cage. Back brace to seat from half cage. Harnesses. Make the cage like a RUF install - hidden in the car and/or very padded....but hidden if you go up front. Or just only a half cage....done.

Driving one right now for one week. Yeah dat totally sucks with 187cm height. I thought its just a matter of seat but never new it is mounted so high. Another problem is rear view mirror which is huge. I do not use one in my press car. It's just tilted so I can see a little bit more, but my dream is to get rid of it totally.

[@romka_ind]

Me with my 166 cm body: "What are you talking about, I even fit in the rear of GR Yaris" :)

[@chrissmith4531]

Another Tier 1 influencer showing off his toys..... Keep it up!

[@sodazman]

A very valid point and definitely a disappointment. I ran into the same issue myself and if I put on a helmet for track my head will be touching the roof.

[@RobertMitchell]

Such a shame

[@micsub]

You can put Recaro Sports seat with airbags which allow harness passage with a half roll cage (back seats are really useless anyway). I think that may be your best bet. Otherwise, remove the mounts and bolt the seats straight to the cross bar as you said.

[@rereg543]

To me those Yaris seats look almost identical to the seats used in the Supra. I wonder if they attempted to use the Supra seats only to find the Yaris was too narrow or the seat mounts were originally too far recessed into the floor pans for the Supra seat mounts. Doesn't make a lot of sense considering how much tooling they had to create for the rest of the car. Surprised they wouldn't have used FR-S or BRZ seats instead if they were attempting to reuse an existing design.

[@Richard_Turner]

That really does look like an oversight! Hopefully the new mounts would be approved if anything would be better than factory!

[@justinralley]

I am 6’ 3” 21 stone and while yes it is slightly higher it really isn’t an issue. I drive the car 90 miles every day and it hasn’t bothered me in the slightest. The most annoying part is lack of rear wiper

[@mwh2412]

Cut the mounts out and replicate them lower, it’s got to be done!

[@nicholasdugdale]

I am on board. Pull out the spot welded towers and get creative with a new seat bracket design. This would even be a means to fab up and 'distribute' seat brackets for the GR Yaris. This project must be executed in a non destructive manor, but overall I think its a necessary step for track safety with a cage. Just means more content for the chan!

[@HAHA.GoodMeme]

The Tacoma in the US also has seating position problems, but the reverse - it's too low. But you can fix most of them with an electric seat and shims.

[@jeebus2121]

Reminds me a bit of the W204 C63. Lovely seats but they just never go low enough. I'm 6' (~1.83m) and have hit my head on the roof of the car over whoops and crests before. In, say, an F80 M3, I have been thrown out of the seat upward (only restrained by the belts) and didn't hit my head because there is so much room.

[@andrew8121]

Replace with a different height of the seat cushion and yet can remain the seat occupied sensor or make another seat bracket ( on the seat side )so no need to touch on the chassis side

[@ti1ion]

Everyone is going to have a different opinion, of course, but I would ask some questions. How much will it cost to modify? How much will you rent it for after you sink all the money into it and will it rent for that? What kind of driver do you expect to rent the car based on what it is, or what you make it, and the price? My first thought after watching the video was that you should stop the work and put it back to stock. Rent it for the experience of driving what it is rather than trying to make it a dangerous racer. However, if your experience tells you that going all out and making it a killer racer will draw people to it and make it a popular rental no matter what you have to charge, then of course you should go for it.

[@RobertMitchell]

I feel your first thought is the smart one;-)

[@nick8150]

My vote is to get the seats as low as possible, by the looks of it a fairly large amount of drivers may be brushing their hair with the headliner on the more flighty bits of the track. If this car is anything like my focus rs, the rain on a ps4s and an aggressive front end will let the car rotate on entry first, which you can then use the throttle and torque vectoring to pull through the corner. Obviously braking zones need respect like any other car, but I've found this style of setup to suit AWD well as you can trail brake deep and then power out hard which may actually be a way to prevent a newer driver from bumping a guard rail as the car does the work for you on power, or at least that's my hypothesis. With that in mind I would love to see it fully caged if it makes sense to do so, I think the car will give a truly unique driving experience!

[@brunom6153]

Just remove the pillars Robert, and don’t expect Toyota to improve that for the future...they do that for ages. Maybe Japanese are not that tall...😉

[@blraider9724]

Sounds like a conversion to a GR Yaris “Aperta” is in order. LOL!

[@nass419]

It's a tiny little car and asians are average 170cm so this car is completely fine.

[@brunom6153]

That was just a Joke Nasser. The thing is that the lower you sit, the better your center of gravity is, therefore the better balance you have of the car. Not to mention more comfortable.

[@nass419]

@@brunom6153 At this case toyota is trolling occidental people 😆

[@jacquemaclmont9805]

@@brunom6153 I saw in one of the development videos that Tommi Mäkinen and many other rally drivers sit taller in the seat for better vision of the road surface

[@Sophie-and-Ken]

You know what your problem is? You are not Chris Harris and by that I mean 4 foot 11 inches. You need a “you must be shorter than this height” sign for this car. Most Japanese cars are designed for an average Asian person that is 15cm shorter than an average American. I don’t fit properly in my Maxima which is designed for the North American Marker. I’m 6 inches to tall and 100lb to heavy. Put a short person in there they will fit better or drop the seats.

[@seanek9]

They may change the seats on a refresh but there’s no way they will change the BIW. The simple fact is that a normal Yaris is a city car so the seats are high to provide rear leg room, the curtain airbags are tailored to that position so from an engineering perspective you can’t just “lower the seat” and change the H-Point at this stage.

[@richardtodorov]

Recaro Sportster CS have airbags. But with that said they do have tilt and are not fixed back. Ferrari “race buckets” are tilt and cars do have 4 point harness from the factory. Not sure if it’s acceptable to have bucket seat with tilt, harness and roll bar.

[@loose_unit]

Couldn't agree more about the driving position, I sat in one at the dealership ... It didn't stop me from buying one though, that was the tiny size ... Not good for a small family.

[@miketejero]

"Club Sport" it. In Japan they have the "RS" which is the bare-stock variant, motorsports teams just hack everything out and only leave the dash, which incidentally also doesn't have the bulging center radio console bulging in the middle everyone is complaining about.

[@scottmaskell2053]

Absolutely the very first thing that strikes you when you sit in this car - 'jeez there's not much headroom!'

[@cyjan3k823]

I am 189cm too and I had problem in my first car with seat position. I just bought a chair and have to send it back since lower support is just too low and it really makes me mad. I cant uderstand why cars keep seats so high that you cant comfortably drive anything if you are over 180cm. I loved Yaris GR but now I see it could be another pain for me. My parents have problems with car because I have brothers and new cars, even though they are bigger, are getting not much more space in the back. They bought Kia Soul few years ago because they cant get a van (it is used as daily drive to work) but sometimes they have to get us to other town etc and even new Volvo SUV do not have enough head space in the back. Even worse, XC60 had more room than XC90, I really didnt get it. Really the cube little thing is one of very few options on the market and it drives me crazy

[@QantonisQ]

It's nice being short sometimes, right? 😆 I would say to try to remove the mounts and bolt the seats straight to the cross bar.

[@vipecrx]

Watch it again and listen.

[@Rascularvideos]

@@vipecrx Are you always that patronising?

[@vipecrx]

@@Rascularvideos only with stupid people.

[@Rascularvideos]

@@vipecrx You must be muttering away to yourself constantly then. You make the world a worse place for everyone.

[@vipecrx]

@@Rascularvideos you just be right. You're so righteous...

[@vishnunarayans]

This is the best technical analysis of GR yaris. All other KZbinrs just drive laugh and tell to buy it blindly. Even in the showrooms, test driving is impossible right now because of the demand. I waited 4 months for a test drive and yesterday I got the opportunity and had the same feeling. The car becomes lively when riding faster and that is also when the safety aspect comes into play. In a rally car like this the safety is priority 1. The GR yaris is a failure in that just because of the high seating position. otherwise a great, fantastic machine simply ruined by one of the easiest designing factor , a seat!!!!!!!!!.

[@bartekb5074]

Angle grinder is always an answer 😉 Better have good seating position than any cage.

[@pierre0860]

Can you put bucket seats leaning a little more toward the back. This would make the driving position more « flat » or « lying down » but should clear head space. Some people have been doing it on the 918 seats that you have in the gt2 because they are a bit too upright. I think they adjusted the mounts.

[@davidofford7002]

Yes, yes, yes, yes. Cut out those seat mounts. But, absolutely, after approval to keep it all street legal. But, Robert, I get the impression there still isn't enough room with a helmet. My gut feeling is you need a rectangular tube at the door and a carbon fibre roof to give you an extra centimeter each way. (Great modelling, by the way!)

[@js2000honda]

Seems like the kind of stuff you’d expect from a budget car cranked up to sports car/hot hatch. Kind of odd that someone at Toyota really thought that those seat pillars could stay from the budget base model.

[@jamesworley2674]

I'll be watching closely to see if you can get TUV approval as I'd planned to do the same thing.

[@mytwocoins]

Too bad these things are changing the excitement for the Yaris. Totally fine footage, your quality content goes way beyond a little camera movement. Well done George.

[@Qyngali]

My mom had a previous model Yaris and I hated driving that thing as my head touched the roof without a helmet, so it's not a new problem. That car was made for someone short, or a normal tall person with short legs and long arms.

[@toothy3637]

Could you fabricate an 7 or S shaped mount for side or bottom mounting using a slimmer seat like a Tillett? You lose height adjustment but better that than a fractured skull...

[@justinw75]

If you go with the low seat mounts to the cross bracing, would the driver comfort and ability to use the oem pedals (or does that need to be modified). Interesting dilemma Robert! TUV approval seems like it could be more complicated than worthwhile route to get this fully realized.

[@RobertMitchell]

I agree that TÜV is enough to make me throw stock seats in and call good. It’s annoying but we will see the feedback we get

[@RobertMitchell]

I also think a lower seat will be fine for pedal use etc

[@ErwinVervaet]

You seem to be in desperate need of a new coat Robert ;) 2:29

[@Tristan.R.J.M]

He should’ve made that patreon.. poor guy

[@itsavlife]

I have the same headroom issue in my V and its SUPER annoying on the track...so...go full send Robert!

[@lauriedooker1031]

I enjoy the seat position in my gr Yaris rally. I’m 61 next month and even my 91 year old father said he found them easy to Transfer into. I like it because I can see everything from the B pillow forward . Forget about B pillar back .

[@RobertMitchell]

How tall are you guys? I’m 6’2” and have a hard time seeing much towards the horizon

[@lauriedooker1031]

@@RobertMitchell the 3 “ you have over me would make a big difference , sorry man I didn’t get that part .👍🇦🇺❤️

[@davidfreeman4407]

I would cut the pillars out because you then have the option of using aftermarket rails which could allow you to really fine tune the seat placement and allow the full cage.

[@RobertMitchell]

Permanent change and a bolt in cage. Lame to have to resort to such measures

[@davidfreeman4407]

Very much so and it’s probably going to become some what of a norm with cars going forward. It would be interesting to see if I normal every day run about Yaris has the same pillars under its seats. I don’t know why but the pillars in the way they look so kind of look like an after thought, they just for some reason don’t seem to fit when you look at the rest of the car.

[@micheltebraake7915]

Maybe you should work at TUV Robert, to get rid of these weird rules and prevent them in the future. For now, lowering the seat mounting points and getting that TUV approved is the fastest way I think. I read in the comments that there are Recaros with side air-bags, maybe also worth considering.

[@hamzasherazi9334]

Easier solution would be going for a clubsport spec. I agree the seating position is pretty weird for a car of this class. If i was in the position i would go with half cage and hoping there is a suitable seat with airbag which is lower then the stock one.

[@williemandowa]

Man, always informative information on this page! Another good vid Robert!

[@chewdoobautomotivedetailtm2883]

🔥🔥🔥💯 I'd relocate the pillars lower. Chop chop.time