Gr86/BRZ ENGINE FAILURES LEAD TO MASSIVE LAWSUIT

[@warrenlucier5796]

Since I don't know what the lawsuit is about other than the individual has just passed the mileage and had suffered an engine failure. For those who are having oil starvation issues on track with righthand turns, there will be a cure as soon a Verus has the data from their prototype sumps, and start selling the final for production variant. A fella (900 BRZ) who was gathering field track condition data, is working with Verus on this sump and I gave him information, as to seek an engineer and some tips as to what is needed in the design. Verus is designing this sump to work with the existing exhaust header system.

[@Woopsgarage]

Very interested in this, I’ll be keeping my eye on verus for more information! Thank you for sharing

[@Blakek.]

Warren is 100% correct. Formula Delta has a pan coming out as well. They found that the oil pump goes through the entire volume of oil every 6-7 seconds and during cornering the oil just can't drain back fast enough. RTV isn't really the problem with oil starvation. Oil capacity is the main culprit.

[@gr8_670]

You may want to do more research into the new gens, rtv is not an issue with these engines, the oil pan has no baffles and if you take a long turn with high Gs it’ll starve the engine of oil, if rtv was the problem it wouldn’t only be track cars which are under these more extreme conditions having failures, I think Toyota/Subaru should still warranty the engine for this mistake though, if you have a new gen be careful when tracking it or you can buy an aftermarket oil pan with baffles

[@Woopsgarage]

I don’t have a second gen car yet but I’ve considered it. I do believe Tomei was making a baffle for the second gen cars already but has anyone else put a pan/baffle on the market that you know of? And I agree I think it would be wise for them to cover the oil failures under the warranty.

[@KramerWells]

All subaru boxers have oil starvation problems. People not knowing how to use the forums and being ignorant is what gives these bad names. Need to do more research. You can't just drive a subaru hard because you want to be negligent. It's user error. Stop blaming manufacturers when you modify anything lol yall are clowns

[@Woopsgarage]

I agree, I think the FA is still suffering growing pains as more people learn and explore the platform. Oiling issues are pretty well documented on Ej’s and there’s some pretty good options to combat them. As time goes on I expect will see the same from the FA Powered cars.

[@bsideju3001]

been using my gr86 as a daily for about two years now and currently at 40k miles driven, haven't had any issues with it

[@Woopsgarage]

I’m glad to hear that you’ve had a problem free experience!

[@bsideju3001]

@@Woopsgarage I guess a big factor of these engine failures rely on how people treat their 86s, like any car really. Pushing it without taking proper measures can definitely hinder it. But either way, if it's a sports car, then it should be able to perform at high levels without someone having the fear of it breaking. Especially if they're stock. Hope subaru and toyota will take this issue seriously.

[@Woopsgarage]

@bsideju3001 absolutely! I would always urge anyone pushing these cars even in stock form to be performing beyond the expected maintenance. As a long time Subaru owner/enjoyer I think it goes without saying that boxer engines require that little bit of extra love and attention.

[@faikerdogan2802]

Should be fine if u are not tracking. Only on high G turn

[@bonessakellis195]

I’m an owner of 2023 brz no issues so far and I drive it pretty hard. My friend also owns a 2022 brz and blew his engine the dealer ship replaced his engine without any problems I live in Canada London Ontario. Keep up the great work

[@dominicg2456]

my friend owns a 2023 BRZ and the engine blew at around 10k miles right after he did a pull. He did the pull and continued driving normally afterwards and about a minute or two later the engine began knocking loudly. Subaru warrantied it.

[@Cichlid_Visuals]

source: bullshit

[@dominicg2456]

@@Cichlid_Visuals I have proof, hmu, socials in my bio.

[@dominicg2456]

@@Cichlid_Visuals I have proof

[@rxryan]

happened to me too except i didnt do a pull and I was just on a drive home from 7/11 😓

[@landofsyn2980]

Whats the last 8 of the vin? I work for subaru and would love to see this bullshit lol​@@dominicg2456

[@yogimarkmac]

I've been I've been auto-crossing my BRZ for the last two years with occasional track days as well. I keep the oil half a quart past full, and I haven't had any issues. In fact, I don't know anyone in the Austin or San Antonio clubs that have had any issues either, and there are a lot of Gen2 BRZ/GR86 cars. Based on that knowledge, I think this is a click bait thing where a handful of incidents have everyone over reacting. That said, I will be installing an Accusump in the following year unless Verus new oil pan/baffle does the trick.

[@Barbwire710]

Agreed, even the lady who initiated the suit bought a car with 60k+ miles..what did you expect? You never know what you’re getting with a used sports car. Her car could have been absolutely beaten on for 60k miles.

[@Woopsgarage]

100% I know people with 200k on original engine in first gen cars that definitely abuse them. Definitely second the accusump plan though, cheap insurance in comparison to the alternative of maybe replacing an engine.

[@Woopsgarage]

Yeah you really never know what you’ll be buying when you buy something used.

[@keanuaguilar9735]

What happened to me was that I was driving and i heard a weird noise coming from my exhaust that sounded like rod knock and next thing I knew my temps shot to 280 degrees from 192. So my car overheated and I had it towed to a dealership. The dealership said that there was no coolant or oil in the car even though I check both of those 2 days prior of the motor blowing. I've taken my car to 2 dealerships and both have said the same thing. Over use and over rev. Both dealerships wanted $14-$16k for a new engine and i said screw that so i tried to go after my warranty with corporate and they also said my warranty as been denied. One dealership even said i had a aftermarket ecu in my car even though i didnt. Like I know messing with the ecu voids your warranty immediately. Hopefully this lawsuit gives us 2nd gen owners some info on what will happen with people that have blown their motors and are not getting warranty for it.

[@johnflurkey6185]

I have a recently purchased a gr86 and continually watching videos on how to replace & check for Rtv in pickup tube videos. Seems to me it would take a lot of miles for silicon to plug up pickup tube to to the point of catastrophic failure. I believe there are gaskets available from Fel-Pro that would permanently alleviate this problem but no one ever seems to go this route, instead they just put more RTV on the situation. Perhaps there's a cost-benefit but there's no sense in putting gasoline on the fire. The gr86 / BRZ just a cheap 😂Porsche and they had to cut corners. There are other oil starvation issues that exists in hard corners where g-forces prevent adequate lubrication.

[@wesleyjones1169]

I was looking at at getting a gr86, also was looking at a gr Corolla, and when I heard the constant problems they were having and warranty issues I changed my mind. I'll just stick with my 177k mile V6 7th gen Camry.

[@TrojanRabbit521]

I have early 22 model and after 2 1/2 years & 20k miles with no issues. I have several lights I do 0-60 and travel to mountain roads several times a year to do Italian tune ups.

[@vinnieng1216]

2005 Tacoma X-runner, run like champ 23 MPG, no problems at all. I don't think need another car unstill this one break down. Sorry for my English.

[@toulo9799]

I really want a 2025 gr86, but idk if I should get one. Don't know if they have the same issue

[@miguelm3676]

Hi New Friends I own a 2022 GR86 and very concerned about RTV so went to a dealer in Washington State near Seattle and ask 3 different dealers about engine check RTV so they mentioned that it’s a Subaru engine so they Refused to do an inspection in the oil pan the inspection cost around $400-900 dls since it requires 3 hours of labor.!!!! So I contacted Toyota and I got a ridiculous response indicating that only when the red light flashes on the dash I have to Pay for an inspection!!! Without warranty the vehicle only has 5000 miles and is for sale since I Don’t trust Toyota anymore!!

[@ninjaknight-jn9ky]

I love how you talk about subarus blowing engines often. Maybe if you own a wrx or sti.

[@Woopsgarage]

I’ve owned a lot 😂

[@adhizzle9985]

subaru is known for having the best head gaskets

[@alanchalkley8743]

Does the new 2.4 have a smaller oil pan than the old 2.0 ? If this is so , it would be easier to make the oil surge on corners due to less oil available.

[@Woopsgarage]

I’m not sure, I haven’t had the opportunity to tear down a Fa24 just yet. Maybe someone else has measured & compared the pans.

[@jeremyburleson6329]

Yes they are exactly the same

[@thatloserwhoplays]

Here i was wanting to gr swap my mini

[@olivermboya3857]

It's a sports car and it's one of the best recent modern day sports cars too of course people are gonna track it surely Toyota need to drop the BS of oh you shouldn't track it wtf is that. Just give people new engines if it fails and fix your QC issues yes that might seem crazy but they should've checked their QC....up to 100k miles new engines period....better than doing a recall🤷🏾‍♂️they gotta foot the bill it ain't fair

[@horseypowers]

To add onto your statement regarding modern Toyota reliability, my experience with my 2021 Toyota Corolla was far from “reliable”.

[@Woopsgarage]

And to think that wasn’t even a spicy variant

[@Timlikescars89]

Yep GR Corolla aren't that reliable either.... Clutch went out at 16k miles and Toyota decided not to warranty it... 🙃

[@Woopsgarage]

I’m sorry to hear that, did they give any reason as to why it wasn’t covered under the warranty?

[@Timlikescars89]

@@Woopsgarage They said I drove it too hard... but I drove this car as hard as my 2015 wrx and the clutch lasted 75k miles before the car was sold.

[@Timlikescars89]

I'm honestly really looking into the 86 platform even with it's issues. It's the only rwd lightweight vehicle that has backseats. (would love an s2000 but not sure about the size.) the price on the used 22+ are pretty good but i'm leaning on getting the 17+ models. But yea hopefully my finances get better so I'm able to buy at the end of the year!

[@warped11]

I mean honestly they should be suing subaru it is their shit engine.

[@Woopsgarage]

Well I’m sure they’re both getting hit cause Toyota also stamps their name on it. That aside, there’s definitely some flaws with Subarus engines but nothing that makes them irredeemable imho

[@paulreza5354]

It was a user error.

[@Woopsgarage]

Also very likely possibility as well.

[@chrisparsons788]

I am a current owner of a 2023 gr86 modifications are a full headers back exhaust and intake. My engine blew at 38k miles and Toyota denied my warranty due to an ECU reading of 7200 or higher rpms it’s great paying for a car that just sits 🙄 Would love to be pointed in the right direction for this lawsuit Thank you!

[@Woopsgarage]

I’m unsure if it’s actually hit class action status or how easy it is to join, the lawyer leading the case I believe is Demet Basar from some of the information I’ve seen online. May be worth reaching out to him for the next steps.

[@donsonly]

You can go fast and enjoy a car without flying over your redline limit. Nothing can save you there. Drive like a racer, face repercussions like a racer (blown motor) except you prolly don't have sponsors. RIP 2023 GR86

[@chrisparsons788]

@@Woopsgarage thank you this is the most information I’ve been given ever since I lost the car in September

[@chrisparsons788]

@@donsonly technically it wasn’t over redline because the car itself gives you an option to be able to rev over 7200 so I adjusted it to 7400 and yeah so what I used it that high big deal the car is a performance vehicle and should be driven as such but thanks 🤘

[@donsonly]

@@chrisparsons788 My biggest fear on the m5 is my rod bearings but it’s fun to push because it’s a performance vehicle. 183 torque and 228hp when your biggest fail point is the engine due to oil starvation? The only performance you’re getting is handling with those and hence should’ve been driven as such. Redline limit is 7000 so there’s no case and no chance of warranty. Going fast is fun, redlining isn’t. But completely that’s only my opinion everyone is allowed to take their own risks but a price will always be paid😭 sorry for your loss hopefully you get it fixed or get something new soon