Why buying a 2nd GR86 was the worst mistake of my life.

[@ThatOneChannelinAZ]

*Lemon Law That Car*

[@cheesuskrust7021]

Lemon laws only good for the first 18,000 miles

[@RX7Cody]

This 100%

[@R3dCM6]

States are different but I believe the lemon law fall under only new cars. So he might be SOL on that one.

[@uploader95]

Never thought I’d see someone buy an old ass bmw because their new(er) Toyota had problems. Usually the other way around

[@jackbuckleyauto]

My 20 year old beemer has been worlds more reliable than my 1 year old Toyota

[@iimasheriiol222]

@@jackbuckleyautomy Toyota has held up through 3 accidents a theft and multiple break ins they just last depends on the history

[@SIIKAP1]

“Toyota”. It’s a subaru at the end of the day, and that is why.

[@Rgh71fish]

​@@SIIKAP1nailed it. Subaru sucks

[@immunity4soul]

@@jackbuckleyautoyou can get a solid 100k miles out of any car. I would bet that car was test drove or ragged or money shifted by someone while in the dealership possession. I know this because i took my m235i in for first oil change at a dealer. When they gave me the car back it took 40 min for the guy at the dealer to get the car while i waited after i paid the invoice. When the rubber guy pulled up in my car he turned it off as i walked up to it to leave. I thought that was sus so i popped the hood and it was molten hot. I touched the rear tires and they were burning hot and sticky. I got the manager after I started the car to drive it around the lot to get the tire pressure gauge to read. On the m they had temps of the tires too. I documented it all and showed the manager the car was ragged and tires were at 165f in the rear and 135f in yhe front and the oil temps were 225. There is no way to achieve that without ragging out the car or doing doughnuts. Sure enough they fired the car wash guy for doing doughnuts in my dam car for like 45min. Then a week later i saw a puddle of oil under my car in the garage. I pop the hood and oil was sprayed everywhere because the oil filter wasnt tightened. If i didn’t document what happened at the dealer and get the manager to fess up the lemon law wouldn’t have worked. They got an engineer from bmw to rebuild my engine that had 2000miles on it that i babied the whole time and some douche bag at the dealership ruined the car. It took a shit load of trips to the dealer to have them clean up the oil that sprayed. They further messed up the car by power washing the engine. This was a brand new paid in full cash m235i 2015 model. I waited 6 months for delivery. The lemon law worked for me because i documented they power washed the entire engine. Then a week after that it went into limp mode. Thats when the engineer came from bmw and pulled the engine. I got the car back and drove it with no issues for 60k miles. I traded it for the gr86 earlier this year. I made sure and receive the car fresh off the truck as it was unloaded. Nobody touched it i left with the plastic still on the seats and car. No dealer has or will touch my gr86. All the basic maintenance is done at a local tuning shop or my garage. Its a beast. The boxer motor is the reason it drives and handles the way it does. You got a dealership fun bagged car dude. The car is fine its user error. I changed the oil on mine at 250 miles with motul 5w30 and again at 1000. Its tits man bummer about your story but the car is solid. Not sure about the oil pressure thing on track but as road car its way more fun than my m235. That car was also amazing but it was heavy and felt way different in corners. I bet the dealer and the manufacturer can tell the exact time someone bags a car from the computer and i bet you someone didnt respect that car at the dealership.

[@deonli8014]

Buying a used BMW to replace a new Toyota. What the hell happened to Toyota reliability.

[@jackbuckleyauto]

Exactly

[@SI0AX]

All modern cars are cheaply built with severe cost cutting. All manufacturers are showing engines with machining debris that has not been properly cleaned out including Toyota. Boycott new cars, stick with the old.

[@pontiacGXPfan]

The cost-cutting mindset isn't exclusive to American brands. It never was

[@ramensospicy2992]

Subaru happened.

[@adamdrumonde1664]

Subaru happened to this one.

[@omaricato7488]

“When I was a kid I saw an FRS” man are we that old 😂

[@jackbuckleyauto]

I KNOW

[@waybach]

@@jackbuckleyautoI think he’s implying that you’re young 😂

[@SupraSav]

the frs is 11 years old... what are you 19?

[@ChrisPBacon9]

I was 18 when the first gen came out 🫠🫠🫠I'm 30 now but it doesn't feel that long ago

[@slideoil8742]

Seems like a free win for a lemon lawsuit. Get a good lawyer for it.

[@jackbuckleyauto]

Started researching it, contacted a few people already. Meeting with another tomorrow actually. Updates coming

[@justaxelrod]

@@jackbuckleyautogood luck bro

[@JohnS-il1dr]

​@@jackbuckleyautoi cant wait for your vid after you win the suit

[@jackbuckleyauto]

​@JohnS-il1dr let's hope

[@turbo________]

@@jackbuckleyauto There has to be something weird going on with your car. I have never heard of the new 86s having engine issues outside of the oil starvation on track. Mine has had 0 issues. Has to be a lemon.

[@qx4n9e1xp]

I love this comment someone posted on another video: "With the Tundra engine failures, Tacoma Transmission failures, GR Corolla over-heats & GR86 oiling issues, Toyotas most reliable car today is a BMW."

[@ALEN1ful]

Are you talking about the Supra with the B58 engine?

[@gear772]

It’s so sad to see these things that are supposed to bring joy can bring so much hardship. I cannot imagine going through what you’ve been going through. I hope you find a car that will serve you well. Best wishes brother

[@jackbuckleyauto]

Thanks man. This was supposed to be such a good thing

[@johnstape4488]

Shame you don't have a gr yaris in America to be able to swap to either :(

[@victoryensured7137]

@@johnstape4488 Gr yaris is gold, such a little destroyer of a car

[@johnstape4488]

​@@victoryensured7137yeah, we also have the zc32s suzuki Swift sport which is like a super budget version, 130hp manual 1000kg, lots of fun and you can really abuse it revving out every gear keeping it in the powerband and not be over speed limit.

[@ryanm5626]

It would be interesting to know what the dealership did when they fixed the engine the first two times.

[@roquerockero]

Soon as I heard AUTONATION I knew there was trouble

[@jackbuckleyauto]

Have yet to hear good things about them

[@roquerockero]

@ fr dude 😭😂 I have personal experience myself! I bought a used Scatpack from them back in 2021, and it’s been problem after problem. AC, water pump, headlights, screen…

[@TheWhisperingPenis]

I won't lie. My local Autonation also has really bad reviews. They sell lemons straight up for real cheap. This is highly unfortunate though. I couldn't imagine the despair on it breaking down just 1 time, id be done with Suburu more than Toyota though, since this is just a BRZ rebadged. I wouldn't blame you for having PTSD seeing a Toyota badge on principal at this point however.

[@gangsta_pigeon8023]

listen i know it’s very frustrating, but i feel like majority of 86 owners haven’t had problems. I feel like this is for sure a lemon, and i know it sucks when it happens but.

[@barnsnoble7066]

The situation wouldn't be so bad if Toyota's decision to warranty these cars wasn't based on a whim.

[@RAY_FILET]

​@@barnsnoble7066was that comment based on KZbin videos related oil pressure and RTV issues, or are you speaking from facts regarding Toyotas warranty policies?... Would allowing mean case by case basis?

[@vinn283]

Its interesting how many have had issues and many have had zero issues. Someone made it to 150k miles on it with no problems at all aside from regular maintenance from what I heard. For my 86, I have yet to encounter any issues and its been a perfect car for my daily. I have had my GR86 for a little over 2 years now with no issues at all doing regular maintenance. Really sad to see this kind of shit happening to people.

[@jackbuckleyauto]

My first gr86 I put 20,000 miles on with 0 issues. I can't even get 200 miles out of this one

[@humannt3374]

@@jackbuckleyautothe dealer basically scammed you with warranty never seen someone with this problem from any new Subaru dealer other than automation You should probably sue them or something

[@davey_tones]

my 2013 frs had 140k miles no mechanical issues. my 23 brz with 16k miles no issues.

[@TheWhisperingPenis]

Is it considered rare to make it to 150k? My Miata went to 270k before I had an issue too costly to be worth it. That seems super low idk.

[@tedhoppe5918]

It is a lemon. If it falls under factory warranty then keep taking back to dealer. That's why we buy a new ones. It is part of the peice of mind. With any sports car ownership always have a backup solid backup.

[@autosenses2960]

I have a GR too. Tough situation man. sheesh. Good luck. Nice video.

[@jackbuckleyauto]

Thanks! I was gonna film a full hour long video but i just cant keep putting energy into this car. So many scammy stories and crazy things i didnt even talk about here but i got my point across. Shoot me a subscription for some more cool content!

[@autosenses2960]

@@jackbuckleyauto Yeah man absolutely. This hobby is full highs but man it can have it's low points. Bounce back!! Fix it up, get a lawyer and lemon it? Or fix it and sell it off. Good luck.

[@artixsy]

Thats honestly rough, Ive owned my GR86 for about 1.5 years now, Ive beat on it like crazy and still none of these issues have ever popped up on me. This car has been so reliable for me especially in hot vegas heat. Now Im about to throw a turbo charger kit lol

[@Grafyte]

Thank you for posting your story. Hoping you get the results you want and your story changes some minds, esp at the dealer customer service level.

[@totoro6214]

Sorry you're goin through this... even with the law on your side, it's just much faster if media helps you propel this issue higher. I was considering this car before getting my miata and I consider both to be very important cars for being some of the only lightweight options out there... Scammy dealerships are one thing but Toyota as a company has been rather shameful lately.

[@jackbuckleyauto]

Dealerships are trashing Toyota's name sake

[@TheWhisperingPenis]

@@jackbuckleyauto I used Carmax after 2 dealerships scammed me. They tell you literally anything to convince you the sale is good, to get you in a vulnerable situation, then up the costs and say they couldn't get the quoted deal. The way they talk, their body language, mannerisms, you know its all a show. Its literally people upselling you for $$$, by any means. One told me I could drive it off the lot and my loan went through, then as im 5 minutes away (on an hour long drive) he calls me, tells me its actually in the shop, and that I would have to put $1000 down for them to hold it, before I have even test drove it. F*** dealerships.

[@chicosuave2966]

@@jackbuckleyautohey bud look at Savage Geese videos on this car. Supposedly it’s the RTV on your oil pan that gets dislodged and gets in the oil pickup and starves the engine of oil. Then no more engine

[@jgarcia2305]

Not a Toyota. That thing is a Subaru with a Toyboata badge. What are Subi’s known for? Blowing up headgaskets.

[@Gchang54]

I was hoping it was a subaru thing but the gr corolla blows up stock too

[@Andy-zv4gj]

You getting your info from memes? Cause I’ve had 3 made it to 200k miles no head gasket issues lmao 2 wrx and one forester sti

[@ianhairston5258]

​@@Andy-zv4gjthis car is non turbo and the non turbo cars from Subaru don't use MLS head gaskets. Any subie guy knows that so it sounds like YOU have been getting info from memes and btw I own a WRX so please save me the BS.

[@Jdeeeaaa]

@@Gchang54 gr Corolla is still a more reliable car than these Subaru boxers I think. That fire was the one of the only cases I saw but I’ve only seen nothing but the worst from these Subaru boxers

[@Andy-zv4gj]

@ are you fucktarded that’s the ej with the mls head gasket issues

[@24zer0nd]

Subaru performance engine pretty much known to blow up, I had an NA 2.2 for a daily never beat on always oil change, blew up. Only car ive ever had to fail an engine.

[@hhaste]

No, they aren't.. I've owned one for 17 years and been around them since I've been able to drive. The only problems Subaru engines have is when owners modify them without the proper tuning.

[@proletariat7072]

yeah clear lemon law case. Third time's the charm. Very sad to see, I was thinking of getting on. I am a toyota salesman and all I can say is covid has destroyed automakers quality control. Its very sad to see.

[@jackbuckleyauto]

Just switch from sales to maitenance! You'll make a killing

[@MilkzzpoT]

40k for a 86 is insane..

[@TheGuruStud]

could've bought a real car...like a used 370Z, then had plenty of money to boost it lol

[@13bfc]

It's an FRS/BRZ. These cars aren't anything to do with being an "86". It's a Subaru flat engine vehicle.

[@karimtemri1664]

​@@TheGuruStud is the 370z as uncomfortable as they say

[@RedLine_Renesis]

I'm starting to believe my rotaries are more reliable than these modern cars.

[@charlesbeaver5663]

That is the truthI will take my 13b all day 😂

[@FordPickUPRed]

@@charlesbeaver5663 Yup, Apex seals are easy to install.

[@khullguycr4418]

Actually my RX-8 at the current point of my life is the best car I have so far lol

[@RedLine_Renesis]

@@khullguycr4418 I believe you. I am of the same experience and opinion. The car may need more attention on certain aspects but it is almost bullet proof.

[@SupraSav]

Yeah.... the amount of times I saw a coworker struggling to start his modified RX8.. Hard no, especially Canadian winters.

[@zachg9065]

Never would I thought to hear "I should have kept my Fiat and bought an old BMW to replace my new Toyota"

[@JoseGonzalez-xd7gm]

that sentence is truly insane

[@CancelledMcCree]

Man, I wanted one of these for sooooooooooo long starting from the FT-86 concept back in 2008/2009. I’m sorry about this man you’ll be in my prayers! I guess I’ll be saving up for my fourth Miata then!

[@jackbuckleyauto]

Same here. I saw an FRS in the earlier 2010's and new I had to have one

[@jackbuckleyauto]

Any tips for a new miata owner?

[@CancelledMcCree]

Hmmm, besides the usual used car precautions? I would say buy the absolute best Miata you can afford even if you gotta travel for it, an LSD equipped car is a MUST, depending on generation you’ll run into only minor issues but the early ND1’s have manual transmission issues so people typically swap the NC trans into the car, NB’s seem to be a tad more temperamental in the reliability department for some odd reason I know 2 people who have owned 3 different NB’s with different issues. Now, a lot of people will hate me for this but the NC2/3 is the best generation for people who are looking for the ‘whole package’ because a lot of young people end up wanting an NA then find out it’s a rattle trap with no power… but hey they have charm! Idk if that answers your question but they are the most raced car on the planet, super reliable, amazing mpg, parts are everywhere & it’s a very beloved platform so a ton of parts & knowledge exists for these little bundles of joy!

[@tmo2798]

@@CancelledMcCree Transmission failures could also be because lots of youngsters 'too soon, junior' it. Lots of young people don't drive manual transmissions very well, especially when they're just learning; and learning to abuse their car at that.

[@boost331]

Cant say I have had even close to the same experience. My 2022 BRZ has been flawless. Tons of mods, FBO, flex fuel tuned, track driven, and just plain beat on. Car has been 100% perfect for 3 years (late 2021 purchase) now. The car in this video was beat to shit and broken. That is obviously why somebody traded it in. It was likely tuned at some point and suffered detonation damage. That will cause cylinder wash, spark plug fouling, and misfires. Idk what repairs the shop told you they did, but in that short period of time they certainly didnt replace the engine or any internal components.

[@jrkustomz5538]

It's a Toyota problem. Not a Subaru problem. It's coming down to the individual tuning from Toyota for the Subaru supplied engine.

[@boost331]

@jrkustomz5538 No its not because they BOTH use Toyota tuning. They use a Toyota D4S fuel injection system and the ECU is a Toyota ECU. Has nothing to do with tuning. It has EVERYTHING to do with lazy, neglectful owners that dont know how to check their oil.

[@jrkustomz5538]

@@boost331 smh....that one went over your head. It's a Toyota problem in the tuning.......it's not a Subaru problem...let me break down that statement since the obvious wasn't obvious enough...... The engine is provided by Subaru......the tuning....as far as what's required for tuning ,yes including the little box thingy called an ECU ,is what's responsible for the explosions and catastrophic failures. You changed your tuning riiiiiight,then that removes the factory tuning problem..... SMH

[@jrkustomz5538]

@@boost331 no other car is having the same problems that utilizes the fa24 ,like those in the twins . Oh sorry by twins I mean brs and 86 in case you don't get what I mean by twins 🤣

[@boost331]

@jrkustomz5538 I have a 2022 BRZ. That is full bolt on with E85 and is tracked regularly. I am on several forums, social groups etc. I can promise you my car is driven harder and has more miles than 90% of all 2nd gen cars out there. Either my car is a unicorn or there a lot of bad owners who think they can treat it like a camry and never open the hood. It is NOT the same FA24 as all the others. Internals are completely different. Rods, pistons, bearings, valve springs, cams, high pressure fuel pump, harmonic balancer, air oil separator design are just a few things that are completely different between a low revving WRX FA24 and a high RPM BRZ FA 24. "I dont know what a tein is" 🤣🤣🤣

[@donQpublic]

Put the Bimmer’s motor in the GR and you’ll have a Supra.

[@jackbuckleyauto]

lmfao

[@ALEN1ful]

the B58 is in another league bro

[@Ryan_Mooney]

I drove a gen1 BRZ for 10 years and close to 200K miles with 0 issues. Id definitely lemon that one and get a replacement

[@WBANGA]

Damn I’m so sorry this happened. Owner myself, been seeing so many of my friends cars have engine failures as of late. I wonder if it’s just different batches or just luck I guess. My Condolences with the 86 dream, hope lemon law moves forward!

[@jackbuckleyauto]

Thanks buddy

[@6spdN]

Sounds like you've been going through the ringer with this GR 86, I hope the future is better and brighter for you. Keep pushing 💪

[@goodboi1232]

Sorry to heat this man. I really hope it works out for you in the end with your Lawyer. I was shopping for my first sports car at the beginning of the year and I was eyeing the GR86 but after all the problems i’ve been seeing I was disappointed. Ended up getting a ND3 miata.

[@jackbuckleyauto]

Congrats!

[@anthonycolbourne35]

I’m so sorry to hear abt the GR. Know how much you love that thing. Sometimes shitboxes will be the car that you put all your blood sweat and tears into. But it turns into amazing stories for the future and a car that you will learn to love even more. Love you Jack ❤

[@jackbuckleyauto]

Thanks Anthony, glad we met

[@kiefershanks4172]

I almost bought one of these but ended up going for an E210 Corolla 6MT instead (easier with kids). No issues and loving the mod support. Looks like I dodged a bullet with the GR86. Sad really. It was my dream car too.

[@alexrain1188]

I’m really sorry you are having these problems. My 2023 GR86 has been perfect. But then, I got it new and I don’t track it.

[@TLCHobbies]

The words friends and dealerships can't ever coexist. But in regards to Toyota as a brand, they're really just under the microscope compared to other brands. Unfortunately, they're not handling the warranty claims well, just like Intel (if you know).

[@orangejuice-xi3gt]

How are they under the microscope lol. If anything, they should be getting more criticized. All of their new products have multiple defects from factory.

[@xFlared]

There are no friends in business. During big transactions any feelings and attachments should be put aside. If they exist, they will always be used as an asset against you.

[@napsisnapping]

God damn man, this sucks to hear. I have a 55k mile 22 gr86 that runs like a dream. I hope this issue gets resolved someday or another. Sucks to see a great car be a pos

[@denebh733]

I feel you. I took the chance to buy a 2013 WRX that was listed for a really good deal. Didn't have a warrantly. I had no car because my other impreza had shit the bed (Over 200k miles). The dealer managed to cover up a ton of issues that have had it down in my garage for almost 7 months. I don't have the money to fix it nor buy a new car, so I've been ride sharing to college classes for months. I had my motorcycle over the summer, but not only is it very cold where I am now but someone vandalized it and I had to total it through insurance, and I'm waiting for my OSHP inspection.

[@kindlentech316]

That sucks man! Sorry about that. Keep us up-to-date.

[@jackbuckleyauto]

Will do!

[@eduardplascencia9620]

Dont stop applying pressure tell them youll tell the bbb i had a similar situation but i had bought a tlx my dream car from-a chevy dealership and 1 day after my engine blew up and they where taking forever to give me a answer so i kept just showing up to the dealer and asking for a solution and at the end of the day i got a check for all my money back and i had no warranty or anything i used that to buy my new tlx just dont stop applying pressure and threaten to report to the better business bureau and get your money back idk if you financed it or not but i also had my credit union apply pressure on them because i found out they work together often with that particular chevy dealership

[@jackbuckleyauto]

ive already applied that pressure. I now have 3 open cases with corporate, notified the ftc, etc

[@immunity4soul]

I traded my m235i for the gr86 and its been pretty amazing so far. You got either a lemon or someone at the dealer ragged out the car before you bought it

[@thelastsignature]

So sorry brother. I’ll be getting another 2019 when I get back into the platform. These new ones are not the way…. My GR Supra has had quite a rough journey all documented on my channel if interested

[@jackbuckleyauto]

just subscribed brah!

[@thelastsignature]

@ you the man!

[@AdamAus85]

Dang. That said, hard to go wrong with a bmw with the m54. I got a 5 series with over 400 000km on original engine and trans.

[@planetstupider502]

what do you think of the 2016 BMW 535 3.0 TURBO 6

[@SicSemperBeats]

@@planetstupider502 n55. More than solid engine. zf8 trans too, im sure you know how good that is. Its a great buy but imo i prefer 3/435i. Same engine and trans combo too

[@Charliegsand]

86 could have been such a great car if it was not for the Subaru powertrain

[@JohnDoe-tj6vy]

I had a 2015 FRS RS1 that was nice stock and then turbo changed it, then upgrade the turbo kit, then built(not blew) the engine and it make 480whp 360tq and never had an issue with it. Was the best car I owned and wished I still had it. Everyone's quality degrades over time.

[@mikemayers8672]

My 2023 GR86 10th Anniversary manual is awesome. My clutch went out at 2,000 miles of street driving. Dealer agreed to cover the parts but I had to submit a separate claim for labor to the Toyota corporate via their web site which was approved. 10,000 miles and 2 years later car drives great.

[@joserpm]

I had a Subaru BRZ that lasted me several years without a hitch. Now I have a WRX that have yet to give me any trouble. It's all dependent on the history of the car, and WHERE you got it. When buying pre-owned, get a certified pre-owned example if you can. AND an extended warranty.

[@TheShweppes]

Was hoping to get my hands on one of those one day, looks like I’ll stick to my fellow NB miata

[@konradoz201]

Crazy that I relate to this. I have a Corolla Hatchback that is having numerous issues that shouldn’t be happening for a Toyota. Broken motor mounts at 47k miles, slave cylinder failure at 46k (that many have reported along with clutch failures), and now a noisy ISB. I drove my 180k mile RSX more spiritedly than my Corolla and that thing did not have the issues my car currently has

[@MeowStationOrignal]

Man I got a 24 brz and with 3k miles and it’s going good, I’m sorry you got the Toyota version. I was gonna get that one as well but when I went to the dealer after doing research I had a feeling Subaru was the better option even though people prefer the Toyota version.( I’ve had it since august of 2024)

[@AnythingGoesJoJo]

Yeah, Im not buying anything with a boxer engine anymore...there are so many of them blowing up for some reason 😢

[@jackbuckleyauto]

:(

[@tamimalkawari271]

i orderd one already....

[@firedude1Productions]

Except porsche. Porsche makes em the best

[@SI0AX]

​@@firedude1ProductionsPorsche is the only reliable German car brand. The issue is parts costs are super high.

[@veeembee]

@@SI0AX bmw is reliable too

[@harmonicposting]

Just wanted to express my regards for how that car was supposed to be your greatest dreams and marking a triumphant return only to have it be your worst nightmare. I really feel a lot of empathy for you because that's practically the story of my life. Relationship issues, both platonic and romantic, material issues, other things. You've been through a lot and I just wanna say you're very strong for holding it together to this point. I'm wishing and praying for luck on your side to get this all sorted out.

[@Aearonjer]

My 2013 Toyota 86 engine blew in May this year (Australia) 15km/h slowing down for a roundabout. As I had UEL headers and an ECUtek tune, Toyota won't touch it.

[@jackbuckleyauto]

Well ya you modified the engine

[@Aearonjer]

@@jackbuckleyauto The valve springs are a fault from factory.

[@RabJ208]

Next time you purchase a vehicle, ask the following and make sure you receive their response digitally over email: 1. If you have to do an engine tear down (do any work on the engine, gear box, transmission or any components of the vehicle) to determine if it's a warrantyable issue - who is responsible for that cost? 2. Are there any components of the car that I would have to pay a cost to diagnose an issue? 3. Under this warranty, what am I NOT covered for? In your situation, you should be covered under warranty regardless. Contact your lawyer/solicitor and get a letter/email sent out.

[@jackbuckleyauto]

I dont think I'll be buying another dealership car again until I'm spec-ing a brand new porsche. Even then, I prefer 996/997 over the new garbage

[@RabJ208]

@jackbuckleyauto , those older cars look great. Probably easier worked on than the new cars of today's age.

[@AJayDrives]

Insane to me how my Supra (BMW) has been the most reliable GR car so far. I’d love to get a GR Corolla or 86, but constantly seeing these issues come up is really pushing me away. I wish you the best.

[@jackbuckleyauto]

thanks man, shoulda just got a cayman or a supra

[@GymnasticsCoach83]

Turboed 485WHP on E85 first gen FR-S still running strong since 2015 ^_^. Will never buy this car if my life depends on it. Hope you get something done about this. I know three people whose engine blew up within the first 6 months hehe.

[@Shadowdancer777]

Sorry about your situation. Lemon law it and start new. I hope my 2021 tacoma I just bought doesn't have too many problems.😬

[@tomwhitaker2074]

They didn’t learn with the gen 1 cars. These techs don’t properly silicon the timing chain cover and it gets in the engine and clogs the oil pump. This is an issue of the dealers not allowing the tech to spend enough time to do it correctly.

[@FeelnLikeIDoEveryDay]

I bought a 2023 GR Supra and I absolutely love it. Gas mileage is terrible. Can’t really get on it without polluting the world but it’s still the greatest. Sorry for your loss

[@carsinruin6102]

I’ve been shopping around for a GR86/BRZ as a replacement for my 335i but your story scares me. Never thought a turbo BMW that’s 13 years old would be more reliable.

[@Superbluekoolaidprime]

That’s Brutal bro, sorry to hear that. Dealerships are just so scummy nowadays and treat people like statistics

[@Blue_Tempest6]

Damn, tough break dude.

[@DarthVader-1701]

The first gen BRZ/86's don't have the oil starvation issue, At least not like to newer ones. The first generation oil "starvation" is split second and extremely minor.

[@ag4allgood]

Lemon Law the car. Sorry to hear about engine problems on a 2023 GR86. Its sketchy anyway because it has a Subaru engine but its a Toyota. You really think the Toyota technicians want to work on a Subaru engine ? I think the Toyota Supra is in that same boat with the BMW engine. Mechanics don't like to work on cross breed cars.

[@mobileterminaluzer1858]

They don't

[@jparker1823]

That's what happens when a new car isn't broken in properly. They ain't playing when they say baby that engine for 1,000. It's more like 1,500 on 0w20. 2,000 on 0w16. By the time you hit 1,500-2,000 you should be on your 2nd oil change otherwise all that debris microwelds to the internals. Of course RTV in the pickup could have been an issue too.

[@sl0907]

I would echo the comments and try for lemon law. Recover financially as much as possible. The car was obviously never fixed right the first time, no engine should blow within a week. Also, toyota dealer techs arent nearly as experienced with boxers as Subaru techs. This really sucks and i feel for u, but kudos to u for being honest and realizing U had made a bad financial decision swayed by emotions. Ull almost never see other KZbinrs admit that. They would just bash the manufacturer only. U definitely paid too much for this car at $40k. My 23 brz limited was brand new OTD under $35k

[@jackbuckleyauto]

Absolutely. Thanks for the comment!

[@wallyy6223]

Some states like California have an insane amount of taxes so this price is not surprising

[@Gekkoukitsune9]

Yeah I bring mine to Subaru if ever 😂 I do not bring it to Toyota I dont care what my badge says.

[@envyvenom2]

Sorry to hear this man, hearing that you really had high hopes for this car to have them shattered in front of you has to be the shittiest thing…… damn brother

[@vichetkim5533]

My suspicion about boxer engines wrecking Toyota reliability reputation coming to past. Turbo engines aren't Toyota's cup of tea either.

[@metricmoto]

Did you just say 500$ a month for your insurance? That's what I pay for 6 months

[@jackbuckleyauto]

440$ a month ya

[@Space_SuperJ]

how much do you pay per month?

[@2smoker311]

That's more than I pay for insurance for 5 years, America is insane

[@Space_SuperJ]

@@jackbuckleyauto oh wow nice, is that the price of the car two or just the insurance?

[@xFlared]

$80 a month here. When I started in NYC as a new driver I payed $500 as well. Don't miss those times.

[@ldsiverling]

oof buying an e46 just to get around is nasty work. Dealership needs to make this right.

[@lowlevelretro]

Sickening, sorry man... wish it wasn't like that. I had a 2017 86 for a couple years and totally loved it...

[@anthonyholmes5704]

I bought a used 2013 Scion FRS with 40k miles . I owned the car for three years , even when you have all schedule maintence done on the car it doesnt matter . when my car got 88k miles i noticed a knock rattle sound coming from the engine . I had the car checked out and was informed to get rid of car asap .

[@Poorschedriver]

If I had to guess based on the description you mentioned, it sounds like the engine keeps losing compression in different cylinders. I'm guessing it's valvetrain related and they keep repairing the engine (swapping cylinder heads most likely). Lemon law varies by state but I would definitely get in touch with your state's attorney general or secretary of state and see exactly what your rights are. I would insist on a brand new engine, or I would take them to court. Having them just put a full motor in it at this point is likely easier for everyone.

[@Mfam777]

Subscribed and catching up! Is there a way this falls under lemon laws?

[@GXKid06]

Im in a lemon law lawsuit with my tesla, you can have them sure for the entire cost of the car plus registration and sales tax and on top 2x the cost of the car for hardship and emotional pain

[@jackbuckleyauto]

Lawsuit has been filed! There's also a class action now

[@tresfordays9644]

I think maybe it might just be that car, I bought a brand new GR 86 a little over a year ago and I’ve never had any issues with mine, I take good care of it, take it in for it scheduled maintenance and I’ve even taken it on 2 shortes separate Multi Day Road trips and it still works perfectly fine no issues, just a faulty car from the start.

[@TforTouge]

I hope you've learned your lesson to not trust any dealership. There might be a handful of good ones out there, but 99% of them are just there to rip you tf off and take your money. Buy used and find a honest, reliable local mechanic, or just learn to work on it yourself.

[@jackbuckleyauto]

Definitely

[@shawnb50]

I had a 2015 series blue and it was amazing and reliable back then I think… I feel like the quality dropped when they refreshed it and put new gearing in it, in 2017 I think but it really got bad when they came out with the current gen. Seems like it would be amazing if Toyota would just stick to the basics of making cars reliable and serviceable for high miles… instead of fixing problems they come out with even more new vehicles that have different problems… instead of servicing the customers who already bought cars, they go after new ones to fuck over. They use to make a few cars and when something was wrong, they would put more resources into fixing what they already had and refining it for years and ending up with a car that has been engineered to run forever. Now their lineup has like 50 different cars and none of them are good investments.

[@esperfire3779]

Man, this sucks to hear. I owned a 2014 BRZ Limited up until a couple years ago when I bought my new Nissan Z, and they are fun as hell. Slow, sure, but they corner like monsters and are super easy to control even when you kick the back end out. Even though my Z makes double the power, is more modern and has more creature comforts, I still miss my BRZ sometimes. I hope you get this sorted. It sounds like that dealership definitely scammed you. Someone probably screwed the engine on this thing, they got it, did a quick patch job and resold it in bad faith. No way it blew up that many times under normal driving conditions unless it was just barely hanging on from day one.

[@jariyadesigns]

This is heartbreaking dude… I can tell how passionate you are and things like absolutely kill dreams :( best of luck dude (super disappointed in Toyota)

[@Jombo1]

That's rough. Sorry this is happening to you.

[@RX7Cody]

Guess the algorithm threw me this video as a favor, i was 90% set on buying a GR86 special edition new. Now i wanna dive into reddit and other videos

[@tarnishedsquid2967]

This motor is cheeks it would seem. Toyota needs to build their own sport car stop borrowing engines from other manufacturers.

[@bobbaran]

GR Corolla is all Toyota

[@remissiveslave]

Prefer rwd but my 14 st is running strong at 108k miles, perfect compression. After some liquid, molly, went from qt every 1500 miles, to nothing at 3k. May get a rs. This spring.

[@jackbuckleyauto]

That would be dope man

[@adron7748]

Sorry to hear about your Toyota, but I feel for you even more with the BMW-it may bring its own headaches. I had a used 2010 BMW 125i (50k miles), and it was a constant struggle with reliability. My dealership quoted $10k to fix its issues, nearly as much as the car cost! Thankfully, a former BMW engineer with his own workshop helped me out for less, but the stress was still there despite how good that straight-six sounded. Now, I’m driving a used Miata ND2 with zero issues, and I’m done with German cars for life after that experience and sticking to Mazda. Regardless, I hope your old beemer doesn't have issues and I wish you the best of luck!

[@jackbuckleyauto]

So so many miata comments lol

[@cubanoplay1988]

It's not just the expensive Toyota models that have issues. My 2024 Corolla LE is a piece of junk, literally falling apart with only 3000 miles on it. Problems with the CVT transmission: rough shifting, choppy acceleration, weird noises from the suspension, steering and dash, poor quality plastics and exterior paint.

[@transformer01able]

Almost was gonna get it decided to aim for a Supra instead glad I saw this video

[@theguywholikescars5359]

I'm really curious as too what "fix" they did cause the new FA24 have terrible oil starvation on right hand turns (proven by 900BRZ) which eventually cause bearing or piston rod related issue.

[@yum_yum5566]

I used to own a premium 2022 86 and I sold it after 9 months. The car out of the factory just didn't feel right. The power delivery was inconsistent, shifting felt sloppy, the clutch was unresponsive. I felt like toyota needs to revamp this car immediately because most the gr86 owner I know are leaving this platform for something else like the mx-5 or wrx.

[@dmb219910rulesify]

dont go thru the dealer find a reputable Subaru shop that works on aftermarket subies that are familiar with fa and ej platforms the dealers have no idea what theye doing subaru or toyota go with a local shop that has experience working on subarus. Much as this car says its a Toyota just go with the subaru specialist. Im in Texas but my go to guys are kozmic motor sports they're a delight to work with. (I have an 05 sti that I bought and had bad ringlands)

[@dmb219910rulesify]

Theyre not supposed to replace just the cylinder that are just bad theyre supposed to re do the whole engine toyota and subaru dealerships always just fix the damage rather than putting a new engine in it

[@jackbuckleyauto]

The motor is completely stock

[@dmb219910rulesify]

@@jackbuckleyauto nah I meant like the dudes that work on em the guys that blow up far and ej platform cars know alot

[@dmb219910rulesify]

A motorsport shop

[@cthorno2991]

Whoa, heartbreaking I'm sorry to hear about such deplorable behavior. Ironically I was thinking how reliable my old t-jet powered fiat was compared to this that lasted numerous track days with zero issues. Toyota/Subaru should be ashamed.

[@eddiealvelo3561]

I was in the same spot years ago. Return the lemon 🍋 peace of junk back and had the dealer trade for a reliable vehicle. Take it back and make them honor you a trade. Then sell the trade vehicle. Good luck and sorry for your experience.

[@tomc8854]

Wow what a terrible experience to go through! A new car should be a happy experience . I bought a 2015 FR-S new and beat the snot out of it for 4 years 50,000 miles with zero problems. Never went back to the dealer for anything but maintenance. This is obviously a lemon and I’m surprised Toyota doesn’t stand behind their product. Maybe Subaru needs to step up and admit a design issue. I remember the early FR-S’s and BRZ’s having engine problems , valve springs, but they were warrantied . I have a new Miata now and their 2.0 is a much smoother revving engine but I’ve heard some people are having transmission failures early on. Hope I have a good one. Seems like every new car has some issues lately.

[@richboy900]

I've seen the GR Yaris engine blow up. It was on the nurburgring, but you wouldn't expect it from a Toyota

[@MrThomaskirchner]

MIATA IS ALWAYS The Answer But seriously… I’m sorry you’re going through that shit. I was seriously considering an 86 as a daily…. I guess I’ll keep my boring ass civic for now and keep playing with my “toy” miata

[@jackbuckleyauto]

Miata is here! Videos coming soon!

[@davcuts2897]

I wanted to buy a new BRZ/GR86, but couldn't find one on the lot, and was told I could order one and wait 3 months to get it. I gave up and bought a MINI Cooper S instead. People told me you will regret buying a MINI, but it's been problem free for over a year now. Both MINI and BMW's reliability has been among the best lately. Just the opposite for Toyota. If Toyota keeps this up they are going to start losing customers big time.

[@Pharaoh_The_Great]

You was better off keeping the 2022 GR86… but despite this current gen having RTV issues, I’m surprised these are blowing up alot these days. I always liked the previous gen more than the new ones… they seem more reliable. I’m glad I saw this video because I was debating on buying one but now idk.

[@lachlanhodgkinson9246]

This is pretty rare, why we acting like this is a common situation

[@onikai7055]

I still want a GR86 I want to throw my hat in the ring and see how it turns out

[@jackbuckleyauto]

Buy mine :). Low miles, never abused, no issues. I know what I have, no lowballs

[@onikai7055]

@ definitely not yours lol I’m sorry

[@Barbwire710]

Ive had two. 2017 86 auto, 0 issues after 40k miles. Now a 2024 manual BRZ. 15k miles, no issues at all except a faulty dome light. Clutch is squeaky but probably just need to grease the fork.

[@freewilly5073]

Honestly, if the warranty didn't cover any of that work i would've just asked a performance shop to do an engine out job and get me a new long block. Hell, engine swap it to something more reliable cause the boxer 4 isn't known to be problem free and you can't boost it without worrying about blowing it up. At a car show a 1st gen 86 owner chewed through atleast 1 motor and 2 trans. He went LS after, still a work in progress.

[@AsTrOPlaNZ]

I looked into those cars brother those cars have such little engines and people stress them out so much they should have put a 3.0 liter in that but they didn't they put a tiny little measly 2.4 l with 200 horsepower when they should have put a 3.0 liter but like maybe 280 horsepower and maybe it would have been actually a compelling sports car

[@ドリフト180X]

Toyota overall isn’t what they used to be. Also so weird they used a Subaru engine for this particular car. Especially since turbo Subaru engines have the rep they have.

[@alabdel1388]

Feel bad for you my friend. I've owned this car for over two years now and have not had any issues, but I did buy it brand new, have not modified it and do not track it. Did you get yours used, or was it also new straight from Toyota? Either way, hoping things improve and they either finally correct the issues, or the legal process does some justice for you.