Grace Communion International Explained in 2 Minutes

[@kenchilton]

God opposes the proud but shows favor to the humble. Praise the Lord for His mercy on us and may we all humbly say, “oops,” repent, and mend our way as he draws us closer to himself.

[@loverslanenyc]

What do you mean exactly. Do you not know Paul continued to worship on the Sabbath over 20 years after Christs Resurrection? The 7th Day Sabbath is an Eternal Holy Convocation with God...Look it up and prove it wrong... Show me in the Bible where the apostles kept the pagan traditions of men including Easter and Christmas....Look it up and prove what I'm educating you on to be false....Otherwise you're simply modern day Lukewarm follower of the pagan doctrines of men....You've just been educated....

[@kenchilton]

@@loverslanenyc While we see in Scripture that Paul went into the synagogues, it does not say that he worshipped there. It says that he went there to reason with them. Why do that on the seventh day in that place? Because that is when and where the people were for Paul to meet and try to evangelize. To say that Paul continued to worship on the seventh day, or that he did not, from the Scriptures are arguments from silence. However, Acts 20:17 makes it clear that Paul preached on the first day. Paul’s mission to men included Jew and Gentile, and he met with them when and where they were. Do you follow all of the commandments given to Israel that are a lasting ordinance? Are the sons of Aaron eating the sacrifice made on the altar? Are you celebrating all of the festivals, such as Passover, which were commanded to be observed forever, even though Paul rebukes this in Galatians 4:10-11 and Colossians 2:16-17? Did not God say He will put an end to such things long before Paul? (Hosea 2:11) Jesus did not come to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it. The shadows were of the things to come. Now that Christ came, the former things are fulfilled in Him, and we follow the New Covenant in His blood, which does not annul the former commandments but are forever executed on our behalf by Him. He is the Lamb of sacrifice. He is our Sabbath. He sits on the highest throne exalted above all. We follow His commandment, kneel at His feet, and worship as He permits. I do not consider Easter or Christmas as holidays of the church. Every day is the time to remember that God sent His Son to die for our sins and that Jesus lives in glory and power.

[@BookOfFaustus]

I wish more churches had the humility to correct themselves based on new insights.

[@chefevilee9377]

Wow, this is great. They are on the right path. Keep on going Grace Church of God! I bet you this is happening because there are people that are really loving. They keep the first and second Commandments very well. I see the same kind of kind hearted people in the Methodist Church. Now look, they just had a split.

[@loverslanenyc]

Greg...What do you mean exactly. Do you not know Paul continued to worship on the Sabbath over 20 years after Christs Resurrection? The 7th Day Sabbath is an Eternal Holy Convocation with God...Look it up and prove it wrong... Show me in the Bible where the apostles kept the pagan traditions of men including Easter and Christmas....Look it up and prove what I'm educating you on to be false....Otherwise you're simply modern day Lukewarm follower of the pagan doctrines of men....Look up Feast of Tabernacles in Zechariah 10... Do you keep it? The Bible states it will be kept in Gods Kingdom....You have no idea what you're talking about...

[@reepicheepsfriend]

Praise God for opening eyes (even though I don't agree with all the 'changes' you stated - but the general direction is toward orthodoxy and away from heresy). I pray for many more similar overhauls of cults. It can happen!

[@philipmcniel4908]

The story I'd been told some years ago was that during Armstrong's lifetime, that church has basically followed him as their source for truth, but when he died, they didn't really know what to believe since he wasn't around to tell them, so they had to figure out what to believe about the Bible for themselves--and they ended up consulting some more-or-less mainstream Christian theologians to teach them. (I didn't hear this story from them, but from someone who says--credibly, to me--that he knew some of the theologians who were consulted. He also said that at least some of those theologians--if not all of them--were Lutheran, which would explain some things such as the change of position on infant baptism.)

[@loverslanenyc]

Not true at all... Joe Jr. and Greg Williams came in and went back to the pagan doctrines of men... You cannot change Gods Eternal Holy Days and Sabbath Day which will be kept forever...What Paul continued to worship on the 7the Day Sabbath over 20 years after Christs Resurrection? The 7th Day Sabbath is an Eternal Holy Convocation with God...Look it up and prove it wrong... Show me in the Bible where the apostles kept the pagan traditions of men including Easter and Christmas....Look it up and prove what I'm educating you on to be false....

[@ArthurCSchaperMR]

Good for them. They embraced the GRACE of God. AMEN!

[@jakedubin8219]

Is grace communion international a good church?

[@loverslanenyc]

What do you mean exactly. Do you not know Paul continued to worship on the Sabbath over 20 years after Christs Resurrection? The 7th Day Sabbath is an Eternal Holy Convocation with God...Look it up and prove it wrong... Show me in the Bible where the apostles kept the pagan traditions of men including Easter and Christmas....Look it up and prove what I'm educating you on to be false....Otherwise you're simply modern day Lukewarm follower of the pagan doctrines of men....You've just been educated....

[@Urfavigbo]

It takes a lot of humility for a church to come out and say that they were wrong. I respect them for that. They still have a long way to go, but they are on the right path.

[@lordmonty]

I was 6 or 7 when my mom started taking my sister, brother and me to WCG. It was the Mid seventies and as a young child I mostly remember all the End time preaching. As a kid I would have nightmares and always worry about my family. Sometime in the late 80s my mom stopped taking us there without any real explanation, but I still always felt like I had to be a member so that I could avoid damnation! I didn't feel like there was any other way. I got involved with drugs and alcohol during this time and never felt like it mattered. In my late 20s my mom began attending again, it was one of the off shots of WCG. One weekend while home from college I went with her and I remember being pleasantly surprised of the different tone at this newer version. After graduating college I found the church for my location and I began attending once again from 1998 to 2002. It was a good church with a great pastor who helped us during this transition. He told us we had some things right, but we also had a lot wrong and it was his attitude regarding this that made me appreciate the new direction. I eventually quit attending again and moved to another state so it was kind of like ripping off a band-aid and for about 10 years I didn't attend any church but kept my relationship with God just one to one and He healed me during that time. Lots of pain and darkness, and at the end he put me with a wife, a child and a new church that I needed. In 2013 I joined the Methodist church and I felt peace.

[@claesvanoldenphatt9972]

Methodists have their heart in the right place!

[@danieljones8575]

Wow! I remember reading the US and Britain in Bible Prophecy many years ago and thinking it was crazy. Kinda like a white version of the Hebrew Israelites. It's great to see that their leaders have come to embrace the true gospel message. Praise God!

[@andrewsuryali8540]

It took me a while to understand that you meant the BLACK Hebrew Israelites. I was initially wondering why you needed to imply Hebrew Israelites weren't white.

[@danieljones8575]

@@andrewsuryali8540 I see what you mean. I should've been more specific. Both groups use the same argument. Both have said that they are the "lost ten tribes of Israel."

[@loverslanenyc]

Racist much? What do you mean exactly. Do you not know Paul continued to worship on the Sabbath over 20 years after Christs Resurrection? The 7th Day Sabbath is an Eternal Holy Convocation with God...Look it up and prove it wrong... Show me in the Bible where the apostles kept the pagan traditions of men including Easter and Christmas....Look it up and prove what I'm educating you on to be false....Otherwise you're simply modern day Lukewarm follower of the pagan doctrines of men....You've just been educated....

[@danieljones8575]

@loverslanenyc I'm guessing you don't understand what I'm talking about. The Hebrew Israelites are a cult group that teach that African Americans are the true Israel and that salvation is only available to black people. How am I racist for pointing that out? It's simply what they teach. I don't know what your statements about the 7th day Sabbath has to do with what I was saying. Maybe you should educate yourself on the Hebrew Israelites instead of trying to "educate" someone that you clearly don't understand.

[@bubbles581]

Its very interesting indeed!

[@rilosvideos877]

You definetly provide the best source of most unbiased and compressed information on christian denominations that i know of! Great job! I was in touch with the worldwide Church of God 30 years ago when Herbert W. Armstrong was still leading the Church. I also remember the change when he died to Mr. Tkach. I wasn't aware that they had undergone such radical change! But i think its better to admit to own mistakes - once you recognize them - than deniying the obvious mistakes. I raised in a SDA family and they have some weird teachings about 1844 and changed their mind but still sticking on that date. They once thought that Jesus would come back to earth 1844 (first in spring, later in autumn) and than 'found' that Jesus entered the Holy of holies in the heavenly sanctuary doing a special service for us. So nobody can check on that, obviously ;-). They have some problems admitting their historical mistakes.

[@claesvanoldenphatt9972]

Wow! I am impressed! The wholesale repentance of heresy and even peculiarity here is so extensive, I’ve never heard the like! I hope they continue their journey of faith back to the roots of Christianity and embrace its traditional expression (Orthodox, Catholic, Apostolic) and join one of the extant historical churches.

[@loverslanenyc]

What Heresy???What do you mean exactly. Do you not know Paul continued to worship on the Sabbath over 20 years after Christs Resurrection? The 7th Day Sabbath is an Eternal Holy Convocation with God...Look it up and prove it wrong... Show me in the Bible where the apostles kept the pagan traditions of men including Easter and Christmas....Look it up and prove what I'm educating you on to be false....Otherwise you're simply modern day Lukewarm follower of the pagan doctrines of men....You've just been educated....

[@claesvanoldenphatt9972]

@@loverslanenyc you are a SDA follower, I take it, by your sectarian rhetoric attempting to delegitimate orthodoxy. Sunday is NOT the Sabbath. It’s the Resurrection, which is the primary day of the worship of God in Trinity. Sabbath is still Sabbath (witness Catholic and Orthodox countries’ name for it) and observed as sabbath, but the book of Acts makes it abundantly clear that gentiles don’t have to keep the Mosaic law to follow Christ, because that law is for Jews alone. After a few centuries of Jewish Christians maintaining it in a christianizing world, they eventually gave up on it. If you knew much history you’d soon give up on your heresy.

[@thetraditionalist]

interesting. It's rare to see churches change so much

[@dancahill9585]

It says something about the cultishness of people in organizations that people stick with them when they clearly have no idea what they are talking about. I find this incredibly interesting when it is an organization that believes the end times will come on a certain day, and that day comes and goes, but people stick with them. I find this interesting with the Millerites, the Jehovah's witnesses, and other groups.

[@loverslanenyc]

Yeah, Telling kids for years that Santa Claus and Christmas is real is not a cult... You're not that ignorant are you? What do you mean exactly. Do you not know Paul continued to worship on the Sabbath over 20 years after Christs Resurrection? The 7th Day Sabbath is an Eternal Holy Convocation with God...Look it up and prove it wrong... Show me in the Bible where the apostles kept the pagan traditions of men including Easter and Christmas....Look it up and prove what I'm educating you on to be false....Otherwise you're simply modern day Lukewarm follower of the pagan doctrines of men....You've just been educated....

[@Austin8thGenTexan]

I grew up in East Texas, about 40 mi away from these fringe people. Listened to Herbert W. Armstrong and his son Garner Ted Armstrong "The World Tomorrow" on the radio. Always sensed that something was a bit "off". Am glad that their successors have sorted things out a bit. Very few personality-based sects ever do this. Good for them! 😉

[@BrendaBoykin-qz5dj]

Thank you, Brother Joshua 🌹⭐🌹

[@Seraphim91]

Brilliant!!! Glad to see they rejected heresy

[@astutik8909]

They rejected a few gnats and now have swallowed a camel.

[@Seraphim91]

@@astutik8909 nah. They aren't spot on, but have at least rejected the satanic deception of non trinitarianism

[@astutik8909]

@@Seraphim91 el tenedor del diablo ?? 🤔🤔😚

[@loverslanenyc]

What do you mean exactly. Do you not know Paul continued to worship on the Sabbath over 20 years after Christs Resurrection? The 7th Day Sabbath is an Eternal Holy Convocation with God...Look it up and prove it wrong... Show me in the Bible where the apostles kept the pagan traditions of men including Easter and Christmas....Look it up and prove what I'm educating you on to be false....Otherwise you're simply modern day Lukewarm follower of the pagan doctrines of men....You've just been educated....

[@Seraphim91]

@@loverslanenyc 😂😂😂

[@francescocantoni5665]

I chatted once with a "British Israelites" guy, it was... strange

[@geordiewishart1683]

How do you account for Genesis 21:12?

[@francescocantoni5665]

@@geordiewishart1683 the birth of Isaac is a fundamental step in God's plan of salvation, as you can see in Matthew 1

[@wilfredmancy]

@@francescocantoni5665 Very true, but has nothing to do with whether the British have roots in Joseph or not. Not that I am arguing that proposition.

[@wolfbane4875]

It's somewhat comforting to know that a denomination that once held such weird (and in many cases *highly* heretical) views can normalize themselves. It gives me hope that some of the more "out there" denominations can normalize as well.

[@Austin8thGenTexan]

Many of the splinter / fringe churches are personality-driven. There's a scandal and the preacher leaves - and the church falls apart. It begs the question: were you there to be charmed by the eloquent preacher, or were you there to learn and worship? Will you leave your congregation if you don't like the preacher? I've seen that happen time and time again in both mainstream and fringe churches. When you get into family (a son) taking over the "family business" , that's distressing, too... 🥀

[@stevenator0281]

I used to be a believer in the WWCOG doctrine. When they changed their doctrine I left.

[@memeboi6017]

Dang, good on them, they seem to be pretty similar to the NALC on liberalism related issues. Neat!

[@sysamanthahopeang6268]

Ive never heard of this church until now😮😮😮😮

[@1080pAdrenalinGaming]

Praise God! They are a shining example of a church that has not grown arrogant in their views but is seeking God truthfully!

[@Wentletrap213]

It sounds like they became a Christian denomination. Praise God!

[@Japanimepop]

Glad to hear a denomination changed for the better

[@johnmb69]

I remember their magazines and even that book you showed back in the 80s! I thought I'd heard that they changed later. Glad to see they did.

[@loverslanenyc]

Of course you're glad they changed...What do you mean exactly. Do you not know Paul continued to worship on the Sabbath over 20 years after Christs Resurrection? The 7th Day Sabbath is an Eternal Holy Convocation with God...Look it up and prove it wrong... Show me in the Bible where the apostles kept the pagan traditions of men including Easter and Christmas....Look it up and prove what I'm educating you on to be false....Otherwise you're simply modern day Lukewarm follower of the pagan doctrines of men....You've just been educated....

[@leslietascoff9784]

Great explanation.

[@SantaFe19484]

One of the few churches to move away from heresy and into orthodoxy.

[@LockeTheAuthentic]

Well how pleasant. From wild heretics to something far more appropriate. May they continue to listen to Scripture, amd the Spirit's prompting

[@discipleinlight]

Well yes they were heretical. But no more heretical than the Catholic/Protestants.

[@Queezbo]

Good for them!

[@star-cursed]

There were also "third tithe" years as well, although I can't recall how frequent they were

[@WoodrowfolloweroftheMessiah]

🙏🏻

[@christopherflux6254]

That’s great. Although they were right previously on believers baptism

[@martialgirl8301]

isnt this where Matt from UsefulCharts grew up in?

[@ParksLover]

I'm not sure of the exact denomination, but it could be because I'm pretty sure British Israelism was a part of it.

[@wilfredmancy]

Yes. It was nice to meet a fellow traveler.

[@wesbittick4567]

At least they are starting to wake up .

[@kevinkelly1586]

Have they changed their doctrine that the "satanic lie" of the immortality of the soul is responsible for all the evil in the world?

[@khays7208]

Are they planning to unite with another denomination now that their beliefs have changed?

[@intergalactichumanempire9759]

They’ve been on their own for a while after making these changes. I think they’re gonna stick around as another Evangelical church

[@andrewsuryali8540]

They went broke after the breakup. Sold off a bunch of assets, and now they're back on their feet as a "regular" Evangelical church. After that kind of painful reform, they have no plans to join others and potentially dilute the few remaining distinctives they still retain.

[@marcovau4902]

They used to follow a docrine that reminds me of the Mormons.

[@johnswanson7504]

I was bamboozled for many years by Mr. Armstrong. Thankfully I never quite joined the church. He was a flimflam man and a criminal.

[@Akrafena]

Tiffany Mayumi moment

[@loverslanenyc]

What do you mean exactly. Do you not know Paul continued to worship on the Sabbath over 20 years after Christs Resurrection? The 7th Day Sabbath is an Eternal Holy Convocation with God...Look it up and prove it wrong... Show me in the Bible where the apostles kept the pagan traditions of men including Easter and Christmas....Look it up and prove what I'm educating you on to be false....Otherwise you're simply modern day Lukewarm follower of the pagan doctrines of men....You've just been educated....

[@pagophilus]

They lost a lot of error but lost some truth in the process.

[@coleymoke6709]

I've been talking to a man who had this background and he is having a hard time getting things straightened out. Any suggestions?

[@AM-ek5rm]

Keep reaffirming that Jesus is the way the truth and the life. It’s all about him and not any human. That really helped me to get past certain things.

[@andrewsuryali8540]

@@AM-ek5rm That won't help. Their belief that Jesus is the way may actually be stronger than yours. The problem is that they also believe He is the way because he's the literal prince of heaven (like William) and will procreate using His chosen people the "Israelites" from the US and UK.

[@Baltic_Hammer6162]

His faith and understainding of God, the Bible will need major overhaul. Mine needed to be rebuilt from the ground up. My sincere prayer was 1/ be lead to truth and only truth, 2/ be lead to righteous teachers who speak no lies 3/ give me the discernment to separate the gold from the garbage. That was my prayer with a sincere heart and the Holy Spirit responded. First a roadblock needed removing before even starting. So once the KJV-only propaganda was wiped away, the Bible started opening up. From there I just followed where the Holy Spirit took me. I didn't interfere by making my own decisions on reading or listening to someone other than I was lead to. The process can only be described as Absolute Perfection. That started about 8 years ago and its been an incredible journey.

[@coleymoke6709]

@@Baltic_Hammer6162 Thank you for your thoughtful and extended response. May i ask, who were those you were "lead to" in your process of growth?

[@Baltic_Hammer6162]

@@coleymoke6709 I'm not ignoring you. I get distracted frequently. Its not as easy as making a list of names. Some were only briefly for a specific piece of knowledge that would help later, but whatever else they said/believed was off the rails. My first roadblock, unknown to me, was the KJV which I never understood with its confusion. James White's work on the KJV was the instrument to wipe away the KJV-only roadblock. I listened to him for a couple months then figured out why his snark sounded so familiar, he's a Calvinist. Once I figured that out I dropped him like ticking nuclear bomb. I was immersed in Purest Calvinism 24/7 for 20 years then part time the next 40 yrs. I was not about to fall back into that trap. Besides, the Holy Spirit was guiding me, as I'd prayed frequently for. If I listed names I'd also have to include the context so nobody is misled thinking I'm endorsing all their agenda. If I included some New Age people where I learned what NA is all about, I know the easily triggered would be on rant. I'll keep your post notification and put something together.

[@starrychloe]

Hmmm what prompted them to change their beliefs?

[@mj6493]

JW and Latter-day Saints are you listening?

[@antoniolorenzoni4617]

The new Apollinarists

[@LE64SAM-IAM]

So, twisted before AND after.

[@gregb6469]

They went from credo-baptism (which is Biblical) to pedo-baptism (which is not)?

[@user-qh4dr1vy9d]

So, the jehovah witnesses still have a chance?

[@jaylynn8630]

Wow, it's kind of the opposite of the Mormon church.

[@schmi146]

Im glad that they're better but they should have just shut it down.

[@racksityentertainment]

Christians… they do believe in a god of unity but here they are, divided… Mark 3 24If a kingdom is divided against itself, it cannot stand. 25 If a house is divided against itself, it cannot stand.

[@carolberubee]

What they give with one hand they take away with the other. They're still heretical. May God grant them further repentance.

[@VersieKilgannon]

Now if that positive influence could spread to jehovah's witnesses... But from what I know, the current stance is to be out, loud, and proud about their status as an obvious cult 😂

[@GrannySanny]

Why even continue as a church? Wouldn't it make more sense to just join with others who teach the same thing?

[@SamKisgart1185]

I've often asked the same question.

[@sysamanthahopeang6268]

Wonder why so many churches sprouting and its not even 100 yrs old... Why not stick to the usual churches.. There are too many and too different beliefs it would be confusinh to non Christians who would convert . Not. Knowinh which denominations os correct

[@Zamiwellwell]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Hannodb1961]

Turns out if you teach something completely new, you need to male very sure why you are right and everyone else is wrong.

[@janellestoermer5479]

Some of their changes are good, but some are bad (theistic evolution, Bible not inerrant).

[@PokerMonkey]

This is typical when you have a Man Made "church" as All Protestant "churches" are. Jesus created One Church, it was called "Catholic" in 107AD when St Ignatius of Antioch, a Bishop in his Church wrote a letter calling it so. The name stuck.

[@astutik8909]

So, he changed it from CHRISTIAN to catholic?

[@chadpilled7913]

​@@astutik8909Catholic simply means universal. You can look it up. Has nothing to do with Rome. It can also be used as an adjective/(adverb?). "Catholicity" is the quality of its universality, meaning it comprises all true Christians within the Body of Christ. Hope this helps.

[@fnjesusfreak]

None of the churches currently using the name "catholic" in any sense are the true Catholic Church.

[@astutik8909]

@@chadpilled7913 It should at the very least say, universal CHRISTIAN. Not simply catholic. Simply catholic can, by its own definition, can mean universal faiths, universal beliefs etc..... And thats exactly what catholicism means and is. Christianity mixed with paganism.. Get it??? If it said, the one, holy CHRISTIAN church, that would be something. But they dont say that.

[@Akrafena]

What about the Orthodox, they are also the "one true church"?

[@loverslanenyc]

What do you mean exactly. Do you not know Paul continued to worship on the Sabbath over 20 years after Christs Resurrection? The 7th Day Sabbath is an Eternal Holy Convocation with God...Look it up and prove it wrong... Show me in the Bible where the apostles kept the pagan traditions of men including Easter and Christmas....Look it up and prove what I'm educating you on to be false....Otherwise you're simply modern day Lukewarm follower of the pagan doctrines of men....You've just been educated....

[@discipleinlight]

Baby baptism? Trinitarian? No gifts of the Spirit? Way, way off just with that alone!

[@k-v-d1795]

The followers of the Patriarch of Rome have a lot to learn from this heretical denomination.

[@robertvann7349]

So if omniscience God the Holy Spirit doesn't know the day or hour and omniscience God the Son doesn't know the day or hour, then only omniscience God the Father is God who is the Holy Spirit as revealed in Matthew 1:18 and 20. Mary was made pregnant by the Holy Spirit and fathered Jesus making him God the Father. That is why there is no mention of the omniscience Holy Spirit not knowing the day or hour. Gospel of John? If God the Father is the vine keeper and Jesus is the vine and we are the branches in the vine, then Jesus is the Son of God not God the Son. Simple. Why no mention about the Holy Spirit being the vine keeper, co equal? Really? You people are decieved. 😎❤👍😍

[@Joker22593]

I think what you are doing is called an argument from silence. "If X is true, why doesn't Y say X explicitly?" This isn't logically valid, as a combination of verses could lead you to believe that something is true when put together, a process you just attempted in your other half of the argument.

[@robertvann7349]

@@Joker22593 You comment makes no sense. If only God the Father knows the day and hour, omniscience God the Holy Spirit is a figment of your imagination. Martha told Jesus about Lazarus being dead, if he asked God to raise him from the dead, God the Father will raise Lazarus. Jesus said it is not me that doeth the works, my God the Father in me doeth the works. Well brainiac? Is the Holy Spirit in Jesus? Yes. Matthew 1:18and and 20, explain how the Holy Spirit made Mary pregnant and fathered Jesus but contradictory God the Father is the Father of Jesus. Dude if I was full of BS like you, I would liken myself to a caveman committed to a mental institution as a moron and given a lobotomy. Your handle is right, your a joke. Peace out non-pacifist decieved devil child. ❤😎👍😍

[@astutik8909]

It never says God the Son. Jesus doesnt know the hour, because he is not GOD. GOD knows, Jesus doesnt. These things were written to show that.

[@robertvann7349]

@@astutik8909 Good you understand their is only one God the Father the Holy Spirit, period. Oneness Pentecostal is wrong, the say Father and Son and Holy Spirit are one person. It is not possible for a Father having a Son to be one person, they are to distinct persons, period.

[@astutik8909]

@@robertvann7349 it seems obvious from the scriptures.