What is the United Church of God?

The United Church of God (aka UCG or UCGIA) is the largest denomination today that still follows the teachings of Herbert W Armstrong. This video gives more details on their doctrine and practice.
Chapters:
00:00 UCG View of Christianity
00:25 Split from Worldwide Church of God
01:13 Doctrine of God, Trinity, Jesus
02:43 God Family
03:42 Baptism
04:27 Lord’s Supper, Passover
05:24 Scripture
05:35 Creation
06:32 Sin & Salvation
08:22 Healing
09:27 Speaking in Tongues
09:44 Eschatology
11:37 British Israelism
13:17 Marriage & Sexuality
13:43 Life Issues, Music
15:17 Clothing
15:32 Crosses
16:14 Makeup
16:30 Alcohol
16:49 Tithing
17:41 Sabbath
18:23 Festivals
19:17 Calendar, New Moons
20:08 Food Laws
20:20 Death of Jesus
21:12 Government Involvement
22:58 Ecclesiology, Church Government
23:56 Church Offices, Women in Ministry
24:26 Statistics

[@johnb5307]

When I drove cab, my dispatcher says to another driver, "pickup at the church of god". My passenger says, "aren't they all?" 😂

[@sidmar200]

Depends which God you mean.

[@brendaboykin3281]

Thank you, Brother Joshua🌹🌹🌹🌹

[@RJLupin-xl6yf]

If I had a penny for every church that says they were the original church, then I would have what… 350 bucks.

[@TitusCastiglione1503]

@@polycarpsmith1419 “sir this is a Wendy’s”

[@cw-on-yt]

Not sure why Polycarp there was replying that way to your post, R.J. But, yeah. When it comes to churches that can _plausibly_ claim being the original church, it's a pretty short list. (Doesn't stop a lot of _implausible_ claimants from trying!) IF a modern church's organizational leadership isn't headed-up by... (a.) bishops ordained by bishops ordained by bishops, etc., etc., in a line that can be traced back to... (b.) the bishops who were contemporaries of, and in communion with, the bishops who... (c.) attended (and weren't anathematized by) those Christian synods and councils which occurred... (d.) prior to the canonization of the New Testament (roughly pre-400 AD)... THEN, that organization really _doesn't_ have a plausible claim of being "original." So the plausible claimants, historically, are pretty much the Catholic Church and the various Orthodoxies (Eastern, Oriental, etc.). Depending on what one deems essential to the form and intent of ordination, one _can_ arguably include Anglicans and some episcopal Lutherans. (To be sure, the Catholics and the various Orthodoxies explicitly _don't,_ but that's getting off-topic.) None of that (by itself) proves that the Catholics and various Orthodoxies, these plausible modern claimants, are doctrinally orthodox in the "little-o" sense of the word. That would need to be argued separately. But your thread/post was about the claim of being "the original church," not the claim of being doctrinally orthodox. So that's an _identity_ question, not a _correctness_ question. That's why, to establish it, we need to look for organic organizational continuity from the early church until now. And, of course, the organization must be meaningfully _Christian!_ Now, a modern church really can't claim to be "Christian" if it doesn't acknowledge the authority of the New Testament scriptures in some fashion. BUT, the New Testament scriptures were canonized by, and their orthodoxy certified to the world by, a specific group of persons between 300 and 400 AD. It's _that_ ancient organization to which we must trace back continuity. (If one can't trace back one's organizational continuity to the organization that _gave the world the New Testament,_ then one's own _use_ of the New Testament is proven to be something _borrowed_ from the original church...which excludes the possibility of _being_ the original church.) What do we know about _those_ persons, the folk who gave us the New Testament? Well, they all attended churches led by bishops, with synods and councils for deciding important matters. Indeed, it's almost solely from the paperwork generated by those councils and synods, and the bishops who attended them, that we _have_ all our early attestation to the canon-list. THEREFORE, it isn't plausible that an organization _today_ can claim to be continuously identified with the organization _from which we get_ the New Testament, _unless_ its leadership is (a.) of the same _type_ as the early church's; and (b.) _continuous from_ the early church's. Hence the requirement for a chain of bishops.

[@TitusCastiglione1503]

@@cw-on-yt As an Anglican, I agree. Apostolic succession is important.

[@cw-on-yt]

​@@TitusCastiglione1503: Yup. Thanks for reminding me, BTW; when I started that post, I had intended to include a nod to Anglicans and certain Lutherans. But, I was getting so detailed in other areas I forgot. _Mea culpa._ I updated the post. P.S.: Re: "sir this is a Wendy's": Hah! That was brilliant. Glad I'd already finished swallowing my coffee before I read that, or I'd have been keyboard-shopping.

[@polycarpsmith1419]

@@TitusCastiglione1503 You should find this interesting. *PETER THE FIRST POPE REBUTTAL TO PROTESTANTS & DOUG BATCHELOR kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5WVpKKme9Gpq5o* Here's the breakdown on subjects and time for the video 0;00 *The Death of Peter in Rome from Scripture* 7:19 *The Church of Rome in Scripture* 27:19 *Peter means Rock* 41:22 *Get Behind me Satan from Mt.**16:22* 48:31 *Who is Chief and Who is the Greatest* 57:03 *Do Pope's or the Church over rule scripture?* 59:57 *Augustine on Peter and the Keys to the Kingdom* 1:03.12 *Why Popes Don't Marry like Peter* 1:07.22 Answers to Acts 21:8 and Gal. 2:9 1:19.31 Answers to Acts 12:17, Acts 13:15, Acts 15:13 1:27.51 *Proof of Apostolic Succession* From

[@postmortemvox]

As a current member of UCG, this is a very well done video. Thank you!

[@garymahon1955]

I am an independent sabbatarian former WCG member,and supportive of al the cogs groups. Including UCG. This was a well done truthful video

[@alehug]

I'm a former member of the Salem group, I moved to The General Conference (Denver). I love all CoG groups, too.

[@robertrendon7128]

I was a Member of UCG there Government is lacking but it is one of the TRUE Churches of God Great VIDEO very well done accurate reporting .

[@danielschmock6338]

Are you still a member?

[@jakedubin8219]

@@danielschmock6338are you a member?

[@alawmot1919]

United Church of God. Truth in Christ

[@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts]

Thank you for this video, always interesting to see these small denominations.

[@RichardDCook]

Thanks so much for doing this! About this particular breakaway church I have no previous knowledge, but a coworker of mine (over 20 years) was a lifelong member of the original Armstrong church and still follows that path. She is a Christian of faith and has quite thorough Bible knowledge. What I've gleaned from many conversations over the years is an emphasis on the Tanakh and Revelation, rejection of post-1st century Rabbinical interpretations (shared with Karaite Jews), desire to re-establish Temple worship, the following of Jewish food restrictions and Holy days, interest in the Lost Tribes of Israel, and conviction that the End Times are at hand. I admire the ways in which her church is consistent with the earliest Christians who like Jesus were practicing Jews.

[@KingoftheJuice18]

But also rejection of the mainline Christian rejection of almost all non-ethical biblical commandments.

[@kennethbergstrom3383]

Except they aren’t consistent with the earliest Christians. Take the food laws for example. The Council of Jerusalem, led by the Apostles, declared that no one was required to follow the food laws, Acts 15. Additionally, Peter is told/shown specifically that he is no longer required to follow the dietary laws, Acts 10. “What God has made clean, you are not to call profane.” This is in response to Peter saying he wouldn’t eat an “unclean” animal. While most of the earliest Christians were converts from Judaism, not all were. And those that did convert were more likely going to keep the food laws, but not out of necessity. They would have kept them more unconsciously than anything. Try changing a habit that you and your ancestors had been programmed to do. It would be nearly impossible to do. Now some probably would have made the transition rather easily, but not all. This is just one of the issues that can be pointed to in their theology/practice. Show me where in the Bible that Christians are mandated to follow the Jewish feasts.

[@KingoftheJuice18]

@@kennethbergstrom3383 Does mainstream Christianity itself have a coherent approach to which of God's commandments in Genesis through Chronicles no longer apply and which do?

[@kennethbergstrom3383]

@@KingoftheJuice18 Yes. Those laws that are considered moral laws, such as the 10 commandments, still apply. Those laws which do not have a moral aspect, such as the dietary laws, circumcision, observance of the feasts, clothing requirements, etc, are no longer mandated to us to be followed. Of the 613 laws of Moses, only a fraction of them dealt with moral things. The rest were more ceremonial in nature.

[@KingoftheJuice18]

@@kennethbergstrom3383 Ok, but here's the problem: God doesn't identify the categories "moral" and "ceremonial" when giving the commandments. That's a much later invention. Look at Leviticus 19, when you have a chance. The commandments usually considered "moral" and "ceremonial" are thoroughly mixed and integrated. You'd have to go through that chapter literally saying: "Yes... no... no... yes... no... yes... yes... yes... no... yes..." Even the 10 commandments are a mixture: the prohibition against idolatry isn't about how we treat other people; the Sabbath is a festival; taking God's name in vain is primarily theological. And doesn't Paul also say somewhere that meat offered to idols may not be eaten? A dietary law.

[@Robert_Sparkman_01]

Great video. I was a member of Worldwide Church of God and am now a Particular Baptist. Most of the UCG beliefs align with Armstrong's teachings prior to his death.

[@jakedubin8219]

is armstrong a false prophet?

[@howaboutataste]

I always find it highly interesting how a group commits to a cohesive theology and a single story through a construal of bible verses. Which messages they take seriously and which they ignore or wave away as subordinate to other passages. The problems they try to solve and the problems they choose to remain.

[@jonyoung6405]

Kinda like churches that celebrate pagan holidays and change the names to suit themselves.

[@georgewashingtoniv8745]

Highly interesting? More like bizarre... or horrifying....

[@weirdlanguageguy]

@@jonyoung6405 are you referring to Christmas and Easter there?

[@jamesparson]

If you say every verse in the bible is of equal importance, you are going to be reading a filler. If you pick which are the more important, it will always be subject to opinion as to which are the more important.

[@k-v-d1795]

​@@jonyoung6405this has been already debunked many times but I guess you need to still believing it in your echo chamber cult.

[@pipinfresh]

The similarities between this church's teachings and the Hebrew roots movement can't be ignored. I was a member of Hebrew roots fellowship for 7 years and the theology is basically identical. I'm pretty sure it was Armstrong and the WWCG that influenced the HRM doctrine. I'm so glad God took me out of that deception.

[@polycarpsmith1419]

Me too. The heretical Adventists and Armstrong groups are just there to feed off the left overs from the cults, those that have fallen away from Grace unto the righteousness of the law. And the scripture is fulfilled in them, as it is written: In Matthew 24 *For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.*

[@NikoFinn]

Mmhm, self-righteous legalists

[@astutik8909]

@@polycarpsmith1419 the roman eagle of catholicism.

[@Jay_in_Japan]

So which new deception were you lead into? How can you ever know you've found the "right" "truth"? A feeling?

[@pipinfresh]

@@Jay_in_Japan Is that question for me? I started studying Reformed doctrine and it made me realise how wrong Hebrew roots doctrine is. It was being exposed to the better theology of the historical Reformed faith that showed me how I had been misled into false doctrine.

[@mistyhaney5565]

I find it interesting that they are willing to excuse their congregates from all forms of civil service, but are also quick to excuse the entire church from their obligation to help the poor based, not on the need within the community, but solely on if any governmental programs exist. There's truly nothing like Christian love 💕.

[@benjaminrush4443]

Well done informative Video. Thank you.

[@user-fv5ms4sz8e]

I think this is an outstanding denomination, because of how strict they are. The real problem with most churches, (including the Catholic church) is they are losing their strict, narrow path of righteousness and are embracing things that are clearly forbidden. So what if they gather on the Sabbath - how does that diminish their faith? Paul answered that debate by saying that people should worship on whatever day they believed to honor God the most, because at the end of the day, you are still worshipping Christ. You have to use common sense in understanding their meanings of becoming minor gods, because that status already applies to anyone adopted through the redemption of Christ. It's a now thing, we are children of light, of God, adopted into His family. It doesn't mean we are actual real gods like in a Greek hierarchy, but it is extremely similar. I think that it doesn't matter, because it can neither be fully proved or adequately disproved if the UK and the USA are the offspring of ancient Israel, but it does make sense, because my research has discovered that the Spartans were the tribe of Dan. They even sent a delegation to offer sacrifices in Solomon's temple, but were denied, so they left and never returned. The Spartans were absorbed by the Greeks, who were absorbed by the Romans who did conquer Germania, Gaul and the British Isle. This church can claim that the other churches are apostate, simply because most are now accepting lgbtq, worldly music, female head ministers, embrace the specific Christian holidays in a secular manner, have no dress code or sense of respectability, are divorce and remarriage mills and on and on. For any denomination to cast stones at the UCG, is sheer hypocrisy at its best.

[@onlylove556]

When I was a protestant I used to look over Matthew 16:18-19; I would tell myself there's the verses Catholic's twist to fit their false ideologies. I never really took time & went in depth with them. Until one day I heard a ex-protestant say the argument was that it was a promise to his church that it will never fail ever. So instead of concentrating on Jesus giving Peter the keys, I would concentrate on the last part of Matt 16:18; that the Gates of Hell will never prevail over the church. I fought with it for months along with John 16:12-13. Until one day I told myself I need to start studying Catholicism from Catholic Scholars & theologians to. Because I was just studying Catholicism from protestant theologians only thinking that was enough. Then I started to pray asking God "IF" Catholicism is true, then I would become a Catholic. I believe thats when I finally was being intellectually honest with myself about the situation I was in with protestantism... I pray more protestants will see Matthew 16:18; 28:20 is a promise that the very 1st church Jesus Christ built will never fail ever, & he would be with the very 1st church until the end of time... Because Jesus Christ can not break his promises 💯💯💯

[@ThumbKnuckle]

Catholics are schismatics who added to the creed and were excommunicated by the orthodox, the western church has far more sins and withered branches. We ought to preserve the faith and not improve it, all bishops inherit the teaching and responsibility of the apostles, it is wrong to say only the pope has the authority to bind and loose sins. Prayer through the saints makes no sense without the doctrine of theosis present in the nicene fathers, especially saint Athanasius. Us westerners have a diet and broken form of theosis known as sanctification and deny the resurrection of all men in favor of the elect in a hyper-augustinian framework. I as a protestant had the same struggles, but Rome cannot be the apostolic church because of her many heresies, chief being the filioque and papal supremacy. The filioque was not the nicene faith.

[@polycarpsmith1419]

Had Christ, HIMSELF been given the proper name *“ROCK”* everyone in the Bible would have called Christ “PETER” Or “CEPHAS” because the ONLY way to pronounce the *proper name* "Rock" in the bible is PETER OR CEPHAS!! The Protestants are caught in their desire to deceive themselves and others! *PETER THE FIRST POPE REBUTTAL TO PROTESTANTS & DOUG BATCHELOR kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5WVpKKme9Gpq5o* Here's the breakdown on subjects and time for the video 0;00 *The Death of Peter in Rome from Scripture* 7:19 *The Church of Rome in Scripture* 27:19 *Peter means Rock* 41:22 *Get Behind me Satan from Mt.**16:22* 48:31 *Who is Chief and Who is the Greatest* 57:03 *Do Pope's or the Church over rule scripture?* 59:57 *Augustine on Peter and the Keys to the Kingdom* 1:03.12 *Why Popes Don't Marry like Peter* 1:07.22 Answers to Acts 21:8 and Gal. 2:9 1:19.31 Answers to Acts 12:17, Acts 13:15, Acts 15:13 1:27.51 *Proof of Apostolic Succession* From

[@marcodesalud7034]

Lest we equivocate the term 'Catholic', Roman Catholicism is about as Catholic as Mormons are Latter-day Saints of the Church of Jesus Christ. Matthew 16 is a promise that the defensive gates of Hades will not prevail in keeping out the Church from conquering it. No one in the early Church believed Peter was some sort of Pope. The Eastern Church has a much older tradition, but age certainly was never an assurance of orthodoxy (as evidenced by the Jews).

[@onlylove556]

@@marcodesalud7034 so u still agree that protestantism is false? I take it u believe in the eastern orthodox churches?

[@marcodesalud7034]

@@onlylove556 I have no idea what measure you use to determine true from false. I would assume you believe anything the roman magisterium tells you in order to be a papist. Or is there some higher authority you have to appeal?

[@d.k.barker9465]

Garner Ted Armstrong-Can't believe he didn’t come up. Such an interesting story. He was the son of Herbert W. Armstrong and basically split the church as I recall. I'm probably 3 times your age. When I was a kid there were 2 very powerful radio stations just across the border in Mexico XERF and XEG. They broadcast with 100,000 watts of power which was twice what was legal in the US. These stations had tremendous reach especially at night when radio wave propagation is enhanced. They reached pretty much the central part of the country and the West Coast except where blocked by the Rocky Mountain Range. I suspect that as television came in this killed them because local churches could afford to broadcast on local TV stations. And later UHF (Ultra High Frequency) TV came in for high population areas because it was very cheap and didn’t propagate very far, but that didn’t matter for high population areas. Toward the end these Mexican stations, literally on the border of California, switched over to edgy Rock n Roll. The most famous one was Wolf Man Jack who had a very gravelly, kind of irritating voice, but he was very popular. He was heard in that famous cult movie Suzanne Somers was in, American Graffiti, I think. Thanks for your reports! There were many 30 minute preacher shows on these stations. A few became pretty famous. Some were pretty edgy, "Britain/US is the new Israel", etc. But some were straight ahead. These

[@rilosvideos877]

Great reveiw again! I was in contact with the worldwide church of god for many years and got their magazines sent. It was very interesting to read but they nearly had any meeting rooms in germany back then (late 90s). I remember that the founder, Herbert W. Armstrong was first with the SDA and applied for a high position in SDA organization. As this was unsuccessful he moved to found his own church, many aspects of their believe identical to SDA.

[@porfiriojohn5276]

10 - 27 - 23 #1 Watch it now : your Sabbath hours are coming up.....quite sure you don't want to WORK your technology ALL day on the Sabbath hours you claim to keep Holy while simultaneously mentioning ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about SPREADING/ PREACHING the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ #2 NOT ONCE have YOU mentioned ANYTHING about SPREADING or PREACHING the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ on ANY of these videos dealing with Adventism ( NOT ONCE ) Why not ? Too busy bestowing accolades to the Investigative Judgment ? Too busy WORKING your technology ALL day on Saturday's ? #3 Isn't Adventism SUPPOSED to be the ONLY ONE TRUE REMNANT religion denomination church which is SUPPOSED to SPREAD/ PREACH the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ ? What are you waiting for ? #4 LDS : Mormonism teaches that your sins are NOT BLOTTED OUT SAME AS....... SDA : Are your sins blotted out? SIMPLE Yes........or........no #5 Did Jesus REST on the Sabbath during his ministry on earth 🌎? SIMPLE Yes........or.........no Chapter and verse please #6 LDS : Mormonism teaches that Jesus did NOT FINISH his atonement on the CROSS at Calvery SAME AS........ SDA : Did Jesus FINISH his atonement on the CROSS at Calvery FINISHED PAID in FULL sins BLOTTED OUT FINAL payment paid in FULL , NOTHING ADDED NO SECOND phase of atonement NECESSARY ? SIMPLE Yes........or.........no #7 Who chose Judas to be an Apostle/ Disciple unto Christ? Chapter and verse please #8 The Bible tells us to pray without ceasing ADIALEIPTOS in GREEK does NOT exclude SUNDAY'S , praying and worshipping are interchangeable 1st Thessalonians 5 : 16 - 18 #9 Are you going to suggest that ALL Seventh day Adventists should NOT WORSHIP on SUNDAY'S or SEVEN days out of the WEEK ? SIMPLE Yes.......or.......no #10 Does one NEED TO be OBEDIENT to the LAW in order to receive GRACE ? SIMPLE Yes........or........no ANSWER 1st Corinthians 15 : 1 - 4 ( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ ( The CROSS ✝️ ) His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED ) His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY ! ANSWER 2 Timothy 1 : 8 - 9 ( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ ( The CROSS ✝️ ) His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED ) His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY ! ANSWER Jesus = GOD = YESHUA in the flesh set the PERFECT EXAMPLE of NOT being a vegetarian before and after his PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY and he ate HONEYCOMB and he ate FLESH EATING BROILED FISH MEAT in front of his Holy Apostles after his PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY ! Luke 24 : 39 - 42 ANSWER GRACE G - Gods R - Riches A - At C - Christs E - Expense Try it , Jesus = GOD = YESHUA in the flesh loves you and so do I ! AGAPE my friend !

[@rilosvideos877]

@@porfiriojohn5276 oh, thats a long liturgy, sorry, won't be able to answer that all. I never said i am (a member) of SDA, i just was born in a SDA family and visit their ceremons - but i have many doubts to SDA's believes, including the sabbath! I agree its the 7. th day and the bible tells to hold it holy (10 commandments). You can do worhip and pray everyday on saturday, sunday or whatever you want! Thats clear. Don't know why you are so irritated with my postings - what was wrong with them? And yes, we have sabbath right now, but i do nothing special now! I will probably go to church tomorrow. We use to have nice discussions about biblical topics in the first hour. Let me know if you want to join, bro 🙂

[@porfiriojohn5276]

@@rilosvideos877 10 - 27 - 23 #11 Regardless if you are an SDA or not you still haven't defended WHAT Adventism believes and WHY Adventism believes it in order to give an ANSWER to EVERYONE who asks 1 Peter 3 : 15 #12 You still haven't ONCE mentioned ANYTHING about SPREADING or PREACHING the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ ( NOT ONCE ) on ANY of these Threads / Comments NOR has ANY Seventh day Adventist #13 Are you going to ANSWER those VERY SIMPLE questions regarding Adventism ? SIMPLE Yes.......or......no #14 By the way YOU are the one who is irritated because you can't ANSWER VERY basis questions ....... ANSWER the questions ANSWER Romans 1 : 1 ( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ ( The CROSS ✝️ ) His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED ) His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY !

[@twentyfifthdui4717]

I think I recognize two of those ladies. I stopped attending in the late 90s. I've never been one of the people who is hostile to WCG though. I'm sure there were local abuses, and have heard things were bad in Pasadena in the 70s. But all churches are subject to major screwups as the Priest abuse scandal showed. Indeed all human institutions are fallable. But my congregation was made of good people doing what they thought was right. We had three preachers while I was there. They were imperfect men doing their best. I had much more emotional and spiritual peace when I was a member, but at a certain point my faith just evaporated. I don't get angry when people call it a cult, but I went for 15 years, I've studied cults for yeqrs, and it wasn't a cult. Just because a set of beliefs isn't mainstream doesn't make it a cult. To be a real cult you really need all the people physically present with the leader so they can physically control everyone. The only control WCG had over adults was the power of excommunication, which is a power many churches wield. Of course if you stop believing that power turns to nothing. The power they had over kids was just the power parents always have over children. Sometimes the adults get it wrong. That's life the world over, for both religious and non-religious people. If not for the church, would my life have been different? Sure. The church gave me structure and hope, but it also meant I couldn't play football or basketball at school, but it also helped train me to plan for the future which was good and bad in various instances.

[@joogabah]

You should do one about the differences between the United Church of God, the Living Church of God, Church of God, a Worldwide Association, and the Philadelphia Church of God. Those are the major offshoots of the Worldwide Church of God, and each seems to take a different emphasis in relation to the time they exited the WCG (from 1989 to 1995), although they all seem to adhere to the major points of doctrine.

[@Chuck44442]

Honestly..imo... if I was God... I'd be confused lol. But.. it kills me.. on Sunday.. wez b praying to the SAME GOD lol. That's so full of s-it. We have 1000s of G- ds. Including for many, they worship cars, careers, drugs, war, etc.

[@seannormandin8087]

Don’t forget Fred coulter. He left wcg. Rewrote the bible and teaches his interpretation

[@Chuck44442]

Rome made up the entire narrative anyway. No way. Way.

[@danielschmock6338]

Ive been trying to figure out where everyone went. Think it's time to write it all down. They all seem to believe very similar. With the web it's easier to find thier beliefs and what scripture backs it up

[@lisaeshleman754]

wow it really gets crazier and crazier as it goes on!

[@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts]

It is great that there are other denominations pursuing non violence.

[@TitusCastiglione1503]

Too bad you can’t run a society off of such beliefs. Works great for monastics or outlier sub-cultures though.

[@jdmbraceyourself9860]

Awesome

[@thelasthandbook6704]

How can anyone possibly take British Israelism seriously? Absolutely nothing about it makes sense.

[@TurtleMarcus]

British Israelism, Nordic Israelism and Black Hebrew Israelism don't make archeological or historical sense. But it does make for a compelling and powerful story. Lots of peoples throughout history have identified with the Biblical Children of Israel, their struggles, and their blessings. Israelism just takes it one step too far, by turning spiritual and emotional kinship into a genetic one.

[@followingchristalone]

I attended a United Church of God for several months after I began to keep Sabbath. It was their ambiguous stance on allowing people to "eat out" on Sabbath that ultimately led to our decision to leave. I believe they have a lot of correct doctrines but I question their "God family" and British Israelism mostly. As far as "established denominations" I personally feel this group is closest to my own beliefs.

[@alehug]

I moved from the Salem conference to the Denver Church and "eat out" and going to restaurants on the Sabbath is a turn off for me, but not a deal breaker I just don't do it.

[@followingchristalone]

@@alehug Yeah, at the time I was very young in my walk to follow the example of Christ. I didn't need lacks adherence but people who rested and didn't cause others to work on the Sabbath. If the fellowship I'm currently a part of dissolved I'd probably go to my local United Church of God again for a time.

[@marcodesalud7034]

The sabbath was a shadow that pointed to Jesus - which made the mere act of preparing a meal a violation of the sabbath. Col. 2:16 and 17 seem rather clear that the Sabbath was a shadow that pointed to the reality of Christ (which is why 1st generation Gentile converts were not Sabbatarians).

[@followingchristalone]

​@@marcodesalud7034 I fully understand your conclusions as I was raised in a similar teaching. However, as I have studied the bible and history I have come to a different conclusion. Sabbath and other festival days are mentioned all over the New Testament as being kept or as important. One is coming up called Pentecost and that is when the Holy Spirit came down in power upon the disciples. You can read all about it in Acts 2 if you like. To be a little facetious I suppose they had not heard Paul's gospel yet. I suppose Paul had also not fully understood what the truth was when he told the church in Corinth to keep the feast of Unleavened Bread either. As far as history goes I believe you are either skewing the facts or you do not know the history of the early church. Even the bible plainly says the early church was meeting on the Sabbath. After the last book of the bible the commandment to keep Sabbath was still held by the fast majority of churches till the 500s. But that history doesn't get talked about very much because it goes against some sort of perceived unity in abandonment of the Sabbath. No, the churches of Rome and Alexandra might have abandoned it pretty quickly but thats about Par for them as they have done whatever they wanted for several centuries now. But I do not with to rant and rave because it took me years to wrap my head around all this. Please, if you have never actually looked then I suggest looking into history to verify my claims as well as looking into all the times Sabbath and other festival days are mentioned in the New Testament. It might just shock you.

[@marcodesalud7034]

@@followingchristalone Given your prior affiliation with a cult, please forgive me for not taking your self professor credentials as something to value. The passage I cited above most clearly refutes the belief that Sabbaths, New Moons, or yearly Holy days continue. They were shadows as Paul said. Continual observance is a functional denial of the cross, the fullfillment of those shadows. The church's first council was clear on the issue of the perpetuity of OT ritual ordinaces (Acts 15, Gal 3.24,25). Consider the texts presented and not the fact that I may be many decades older and more studied on the subject (as that would be irrelevant).

[@ruthyedgers5312]

Thank you for a very good report on UCG. The only correction I would add is that we acknowledge we are living in the Ladeocian era. There is dual meaning in the Revelation letters. We also acknowledge that all conditions are present at the end time according to Revelation. It is also a warning to the church on the human condition and is a personal letter from Christ to His church to wake up and prepare for His return before it is too late.

[@mariandycus]

We should keep these people in prayer,we all have some of the gospel and commandments understood.Lets pray Lord God Almighty removes the eye scales and plugged up ears for more true understanding.

[@thylawismydeligh]

WHERE IN THE OLD AND NEW COVENANTS YAHWEH PROMISED TO REPLACE THE TWELVE TRIBES OF ISRAEL WITH A MODERN DAY RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION? WHO ARE THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL YAHSHUA THE MESSIAH HE WAS SENT TOO?

[@bradleycombs2626]

Another great video. It’s so interesting the twists and turns these churches take after the original “creator” either leaves or passes away. The Grace Communion pretty much looks like a evangelical church now days whereas UCOG seemed to have doubled down on some of the “core” teachings but also loosened many of the original teachings. It is just always the cherry on the top when after all these changes they still claim to be the original Church lost throughout history lol.

[@polycarpsmith1419]

*Rev. 18:20 and the Martyrdom of Polycarp proves Adventism..etc., is false* Notice the quote below from 117AD. The Martyrdom of Polycarp (AD 117): Here's a direct quote The *CHURCH* of God which sojourns at *Smyrna* (Rev. 2) , to the *CHURCH* of God sojourning in Philomelium, and to ALL the congregations of *the Holy and CATHOLIC CHURCH* in every place: Mercy, peace, and love from God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, be multiplied. For, [Polycarp] having through patience overcome the unjust governor, and *thus acquired (the past tense) the crown of immortality*, *he NOW, WITH the apostles and all the righteous [in heaven], rejoicingly glorifies God, even the Father, and blesses our Lord Jesus Christ, the Saviour of our souls, the Governor of our bodies, and *the Shepherd of the *CATHOLIC CHURCH throughout the world* .[28] *(The placing of Polycarp's immortal soul in heaven after his martyrdom is exactly what we find in Revelation 18:20 with the Apostles and ALL the righteous)* Notice how the author, says *Christ is the Shepherd of the Catholic Church THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE WORLD" In other words, the entire Christian world in 117 AD understood 2 things: 1.That Christ was the Shepherd of the Catholic Church and 2.The doctrine of the immortality of the soul and teaching of the righteous souls went to heaven after the death of the body was taught by Christ and the Church *throughout the whole world!* Another Armstrong and Adventist heresy on soul sleep and annihilationism bites the dust.

[@marcodesalud7034]

and 3. "Catholic Church" in no way meant "Roman Catholic Church" (an oxymoron and an institution that didn't exist until the 4th century).

[@bradleycombs2626]

@@polycarpsmith1419 I don’t exactly see what the point of this comment was?

[@bradleycombs2626]

@@marcodesalud7034 well I’m not Catholic and I don’t think any theologian would understand that to mean Roman Catholic

[@polycarpsmith1419]

@@marcodesalud7034 Obviously, you have no clue of what you write. There is no such thing as the "Roman Catholic Church" , there is and always has been *"ONE HOLY CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH"* . And, who would be so foolish as to say that the Church of Rome didn't exist? The epistle called "Romans" is written to the Church of Rome. The Apostle Paul wrote to the Church of Rome under inspiration of Holy Spirit these engraved words forever in scripture, which cannot be broken! 1 The Church of Rome's faith was " *spoken of throughout the whole world* ". Rom.1:8 2. God is Paul's witness *Paul prayed without ceasing* for the Church of Rome. Why don't you pray like Paul??? Also, "Making mention of the Church of Rome always in his prayers" . 1 verse 9 3. Paul extended ' *Grace and Peace from the Father and Lord Jesus Christ to the Church of Rome* . (vs 7) 4. *Paul thanked God for the Church of Rome* and calls them the beloved OF God!! (vs. 8) 5. Paul prophesied, *"The God of Peace will crush Satan under the Church of Rome's feet"* Rom.16:20 *At NO time did the Christ, the Apostles or Apostolic Church EVER refer to the Church of Rome as a Harlot* Sabbath keepers murdered their own prophets, Christ and the apostles! 13 times the Sabbath keepers are called “Harlot” in scripture, the Church of Rome NONE! The scriptures express nothing but love, affection and admiration for the Church of Rome. *TO ALL WHO READ THIS: Please understand, these people have never kept the 10 commandments. And, Neither do they keep the Sabbath. It's never been about keeping the 10 commandments, it's about GETTING MEMBERS. Lastly, Had Christ, HIMSELF had the proper name *“ROCK”* everyone in the Bible would have called Christ “PETER” Or “CEPHAS” because the ONLY way to pronounce the *proper name* "Rock" in the bible is PETER OR CEPHAS!! The Protestants are caught in their desire to deceive themselves and others!

[@csg9095]

Excellent content, as always. However, I don’t care much for this new format. I prefer the “older” videos.

[@jerrylclement]

So close!

[@matthewterry9413]

Was not ready to hear that amount and level of heresy. Lord have mercy…

[@Maranville]

I'm guessing you might be evangelical? Or perhaps Catholic? I was born into the WCG, and as far as I'm concerned, "heresy" is the least of Armstrongism's problems (I spent a little time in an evangelical megachurch in my teens, and grew disillusioned with that as well). Anyway I think the cultish structure/dogmatic certainty is the real issue.

[@jamesmckinley6090]

Thanks for al the information and your hard work in gather it. Can you tell us something about FAI and the maranatha movement. Are they a denomination or closely associated with one? I see from some of their videos that they are pre-mellinial, post-trib, but they divide the tribulation from the wrath? Is this a common teaching among post-trib teachers? 3 1/2 years of tribulation then the rapture followed by 3 1/2 years of wrath?

[@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts]

I do like the emphasis on the resurrection and rejection of the rapture, as well as Annihilationism. I am British however, not a Jew or Ephraimite. In Christ there is neither Greek nor Jew.

[@geordiewishart1683]

In Christ there is neither male nor female. So, are you non binary? I take it then God lied when he made eternal promises to Israel?

[@spiritedtoday]

But you are a Jew inwardly, if you have the Spirit

[@bergeronwb]

Is it safe to assume that your next video will be on the other widely known splinter group of the WCG, the Restored Church of God led by David Pack?

[@ReadyToHarvest]

I generally try to avoid doing too many videos on the same general category close to each other. I probably won't make another video on an Armstrong-related group for a while.

[@theplaintech]

Does anyone want to tell us why the UCG believes the Spring Equinox occurs on April 9th this year?

[@Ggdivhjkjl]

They appear to believe in 2 distinct deities, just as the Philadelphia Church of God plainly states that they believe in 2 gods.

[@mercster]

I'm not a member of this church, and there's certainly a lot I disagree with... but they get a lot right, too. It's curious how sometimes great discrepancies like that can exist within one "church." Ahh well, they're tryin'. Thanks for the video.

[@jamesparson]

I don't believe the one church claims for one minute.

[@mercster]

@@jamesparson Ya don't say.

[@mistyhaney5565]

I always find it curious how much of a denomination's doctrine is based on the teachings of Paul versus the teachings of Jesus.

[@claryp1509]

These people wrote an article about why they don’t celebrate Christmas. I agree with them on that.

[@Eric777-71]

I'm familiar with these teachings and I must declare that this is ridiculous legalistic insanity! Absolutely ridiculous! Of course as with everything they get a few things right but are way outside the pale, and contrary to the New testament teaching

[@user-vs8fq4ne6z]

I wonder if you have a topic on Bethel Church @Redding.

[@roniecarino2987]

actor Eric Close Herbrews 9:28

[@marthaestevez17]

Quiero encontrar una congregacion en español Chicago IL 60617 porfavor

[@ThumbKnuckle]

Athanasius and theosis are often skewed to produce such heresy as becoming equal to God, however it is partaking in the divine nature as scripture clearly says.

[@williamchappell6562]

How come with all the men and the massive income of the UCG that they haven't bothered to do an accurate copy of the Holy Word of God but rely totally on the KIng James and other defective versions? The CBCG has done a great job with their Holy Bible in its Original Order and their pastors seem to know how to teach in depth. The UCG needs a boot to wake up from their slumber.

[@viz8746]

Actually, there is a lot in here that makes sense.

[@chriscochran8971]

I agree

[@carlknaack1019]

This was a great video! But as what might be called a non-conformist UCG member, there are a few slight nuances you did not have the time to go over. Church eras are no longer taught at all, really, and US&BC is no longer viewed as necessary, especially by younger members. I don’t believe it at all, really. Also the notion that to be a part of the Church you have to have the name ‘Church of God’ over your group is viewed as a highly antiquated belief. There is currently a conceptual divide between the older generation who are more in line with older WCG beliefs wholly, and the younger generation who believe the core teachings without the baggage of weird secondary views.

[@maraaischoeman6576]

Where are the nearest church at me? I am in MIDSTREAM Estate nearby Centurion

[@VusiIrvinMthimunye]

30 Fiskaal Street Kempton Park. It's also on the website. Thank you.

[@jenna2431]

I wasn't UCG but did go Messianic/Hebrew Roots. The feast problem is you either go on the tampered with rabbinic schedule OR fight over when is the start of the year by the moon and 14 days or 15 and do you count Sabbaths and a whole slew of indie arguments and fist fights over when the barley harvest is where. No, thanks. If 'God' wants feasts he should have made the date iron-clad.

[@Ilana_bornagaininChrist]

I just read on the LCG website, they don't believe in the Trinity...that goes against my beliefs.

[@drpepperenjoyer42069]

Hi Joshua

[@ABLEARC]

Only 5 mins in but this sounds strangly...Mormon...so far. Humans able to be gods...

[@NikoFinn]

Mmhm, one cult and satanic to be precise. God is binitarian? Salvation is a free gift but God gives it to those who yield to His law? Contradiction!! All of christendom is in apostasy? Mmhm. Sounds like one big isolated cult that is for some christian, biblical doctrines

[@mercster]

Many churches share many different aspects that, taken in isolation, may make them sound "similar", but they aren't at all. The nature of denominations isn't so simple that you can get up a chart with checkboxes and compare like that...

[@rexjamerson9316]

I have personally attended the UCG and I know what they believe. As far as comparing them with the Mormon church, they are far different as the Earth is from the Sun! My older brother, which I would call a religious hobbyist at the time, read the entire Book of Mormon. Ucg doesn't add spurious books to their belief system. Your comment, is at best, disingenuous.

Mormons, Stone-Campbellites, Darbites and other restorationists were raised up just in time with the Millerites/Adventists, as rival claimants to the title of last Church period. Churches of God, Holy Flesh Movement (turned into Pentecostals and Charismatics), Free Adventists, First-Day Adventist, Jehovah's Witnesses, Kellogites and others were later created from within Adventism as rivals to Ellen White followers. Many of these people concern themselves with the gathering up of the scattered Jews, 144,000 in number. Some believe that the Bible teaches that the 144k are biological descendants of Abraham (those influenced by the Darbites believe that, which are nearly all), while some believe that the Bible teaches that the 144k are Christians graffed to Abraham (Seventh-Day Adventists, mainly). One thing is clear in the Bible: the 144k must be people who keep God's Commandments and the faith of Jesus, according to Revelation 14:12. Strive to be among this group. Study, comprehend, obey; in this order. Pray without ceasing.

[@dvdbeattie]

With the caveat that, while not a "member" of UCG, I attend there regularly and agree with most of their larger doctrinal positions (just not every small one... but you can still call me biased if you want)... there is a superficial ring of familiarity between the afterlife descriptions of Mormonism and UCG's teaching, to be sure. But it's just superficial. UCG's teaching is that those who are saved will be God's children, elevated to the same nature of God, changed from flesh to spirit in a future resurrection, and then will live forever with God, having received the gift of eternal life. Mainstream Christianity strikes me as just focused on the eternal life, but is completely vague as to what our nature will be in that eternal life, just that we will be "in heaven". UCG's refinement is to add interpretations of various New Testament teachings to explain that we will be gifted the same nature as God. But the details of what we will "do" in eternity are almost as vague as mainstream Christianity. UCG is premillennial, and teaches that the saved, resurrected saints, changed to be full children of God (including inhabiting the same realm of existence as God does) at Christ's return will assist God in ruling the Earth, to create a peaceful world, with all living humans at that point fully governed under the moral code of Christianity and direct authority of God, for 1000 years. Those select literal children of God (the saints) will be "kings and priests", subordinate to but ruling with God and Jesus, helping to create that peaceful human-populated Earth via teaching, positive reinforcement, and potentially other techniques. (What I'm saying may sound foreign to some Christians, but it's all taken from various prophecies.) But that's only for those saved prior to Christ's return. After that, there remains a post-millennial judgment of all humanity, including an opportunity for salvation and eternal life for those previously unsaved. And then... eternity is much longer than 1000 years, and UCG recognizes the Bible as essentially ending at that point with no further information. A common speculation within UCG is that God's nature is "creative", and reasoning from the inherent creativity that humans obviously have, that creative endeavors of various kinds will likely continue into eternity. But UCG does not have an official teaching extending beyond the post-millennial judgment of all humankind. I don't have the same level of familiarity with Mormon teaching, but I do have friends and extended family who are Mormon, and I've watched KZbin videos, and I imagine this summary won't be disputed? Mormonism teaches three different levels of heaven, and also promises that family units on the earth will be intact in heaven somehow, and will also continue to reproduce in heaven in the spirit realm. In addition, Mormons believe God the Father was a man with flesh and bones just like us, but was then exalted to be God like we will be. In contrast, UCG teaches none of those things, leaving all of it as unknown and speculative, and in terms of God's nature, proclaiming the Father and Son to be eternally preexisting and supreme. So in regards to God the Father, Jesus, the afterlife and heaven, while the language of eternal life being in the "God" nature and family does sound like Mormonism, if you look at the details, UCG's teachings are much closer to mainstream Christianity, than they are to Mormonism. UCG teaches individual (not family) salvation, an afterlife for the saved as Jesus taught where marriage is not important and all are in love and communion with the Father and Jesus, and that anything after that is just guessing.

[@robertcain3426]

Isn't just being a part of the church, the body of Christ, the body of believers, enough for you?

[@melissawaggoner7509]

How would someone know if someone fully comprehends what is taking place in baptism? Does that mean someone with a learning disability and comprehension issues can’t be saved? Does that mean people all the people with intellectual disabilities can’t be saved?

[@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts]

Certainly, interracial marriage is not a sin.

[@khankorpofficial]

IF someone is part of the United Church of God What would they be called? Ex: People who follow Latter day saints are Mormons

[@theresawilliams1323]

Christian

[@khankorpofficial]

@@theresawilliams1323 I know that. But what specific denomination name

[@2Cor10five]

The Bible forces the reader to see that God is tri personal. The trinity is as clear as looking up in the sky at noon on a cloudless day and seeing the sun. This church would say they can't see the sun.

[@mistyhaney5565]

Citation please, it took early Christians centuries to see it, and I still don't.

[@2Cor10five]

@@mistyhaney5565 Only 1 citation? You kidding! There's plenty in the bible but you will just explain it away. Like for example the Spirit of Yahweh/Jehovah being distinct from him. Gen 1:1-2 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. HIS SPIRIT was hovering over land not him. Let's see what David says about the Spirit. 2 Sam 23:1-3 Now these are the last words of David: The oracle of David, the son of Jesse, the oracle of the man who was raised on high, the anointed of the God of Jacob, the sweet psalmist of Israel: 2 “THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD SPEAKS by me; HIS word is on my tongue. 3 THE GOD OF ISRAEL HAS SPOKEN; the Rock of Israel has said to me: When one rules justly over men, ruling in the fear of God, According to David centuries before the New Testament was written, the Spirit is the God speaks, is called HE, is the God of Israel. When the Spirit speaks God speaks. You can easily show the Holy Spirit is aware, has a mind, has cognition, can speak and be spoken to and has divine emotions and will. All in the Old Testament. I won't even have enough room to show where there is an angel that claims to be the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. There's 3 for you right there.

[@logicaredux5205]

😗 Whew!

[@robertrendon7128]

Amazing How Good He DESCRIBES THE TRUTH it will be a Witness against Him HErbert W Armstrong was a REAL Minister of GOD !!!!

[@murtlandjardine8716]

GREETINGS FROM GUYANA!! I ENJOY LISTENING AND LEARNING THE TRUTH IN GOD'S WORD. THANKS UCG FOR TEACHING AND PREACHING THE TRUTH FROM THE BIBLE

[@UnreelAce]

What denomination are you I’ll go first, Church of Christ

[@dabiededoo]

why is almost no church using the oil on the sick anymore?.. or are they?

[@moolak9875]

UCG does...

[@user-jc4zg4gd6j]

Armstrong religion they broke off from and I remember him preaching when I was little on the radio and he didn’t believe all the Bible. My mom would shut that radio off.

[@asheisadora]

Anyone here remember Jeff Calkins?

[@Losttoanyreason]

I used to enjoy listening to Armstrong in the mornings when on first shift while getting ready to go to work, not that I believed in the stranger parts of what I concider cultish. Many times his teaching was spot on Biblical. Other times not so much at all. I didn't agree with them that Christians must to follow the Law like they were Insraelites though. Paul and Peter in Jerusalem settled this issue. The contention being that some the church members that had been or were Pharisees prior to conversion were going about telling Gentile Christians that for Gentiles to become Christians they had to first become Jews(be proselytized), be circumcised and follow all the cerimonial laws, regs and Sabbaths which biblically only applied to the Israelites who were called out and separated by God to be a shining example to the world which they failed at miserably. To the contrary, it was decided in that Jeusalem council of the original Church that the Gentiles need only avoid food sacrificed to Idols, blood, strangled meat , and fornication(Acts 15:29). They did not in fact need to become Jews to receive salvation. One can not be saved by following the cerimonial law. Failing in one thing meant you failed in it all. Only Jesus was able to fulfile the law perfectly. People were saved the same way before Christ came as we are today; by faith. Prior to Christ it was belief in God and faith that he would send a redeemer as promised in Genesis 3:15. After Christ was crucified, it is faith in God and his revealed redeemer Christ Jesus.

[@polycarpsmith1419]

In Phil 3:18, the Apostle Paul was specifically speaking about the Judaizers as the Adventists and the Armstrongites. Jesus Christ is only a name abused by the Adventist's and the Armstrongites *to teach Moses* (Acts 15:-16) . *The Adventist's and Armstrongites have simply *sorely abused and misused Christ's name to teach Sabbath keeping, something Christ nor the Apostles never taught!* The Apostle Paul condemns the Judaziers. Phil 3:18 *"For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:"*

[@geordiewishart1683]

You are well named cos you don't half carp on

[@polycarpsmith1419]

@@geordiewishart1683 That's all empty rhetoric for lack of any defense for your Judaizing heresies. You all have never kept the Sabbath according to the commandment or your other holy days.

[@lindataylor8302]

Yup keep the Sabbath it’s part of the Ten Commandments, it was changed by the Catholics. 😊

[@Urfavigbo]

Apart from their teaching on the trinity and their beliefs in humans becoming God like( we should strive to be perfect like our father in Heaven is perfect. That does not mean that we are gods or that we are one in essence with him,) their doctrines are sort of sound. Unfortunately, where they do miss out on is too huge to just agree to disagree. Not just these two points, but their infrequent participation in the bread and wine is also an issue.

[@georgewashingtoniv8745]

John 4:24. It's funny and scary to me that people try to find truth in intellectual capacity when the Bible says directly that God operates in the spirit as well as matters of the heart. Yet, we try to mingle together in terms of intellect. Spirit > intellect. Isn't it "obvious" that without the spirit the intellectual realm wouldn't/couldn't exist? *Edit* I'm also not claiming or implying that we shouldn't use intellect or our intelligence. I just find it odd that it seems to be the leading authority. It makes sense that there is so much contradiction though as well as conflict especially in the religious sectors. This is like trying to run before learning how to walk. The mind, just like our bodies I think God gave us in order to serve us as sort of a tool or utility. I don't think it was given to us to be used as a means to supersede him in spirit, or our own spirit, since we are all spirits. Religion is nothing but a depiction of the real thing. Why not just call it what it actually is? God's word? Isn't this what is taught in the Bible? No need to put anything in front of it.

[@pizzaman231]

UCG should be releasing a new paper on the Hebrew calendar. They had a whole session on it at the GCE. Also some UCG congregations own their own buildings or have even built them.

[@AnilKumar-sl1of]

Hi sir how are you iam from india iam the church member my poor rent house prayers every sun day not available church p you can help my church baptis church near village

[@user-kp2zm7xg7z]

Is Jesus true God or false god??

[@solascripturamjc9681]

So The Almighty God must not have said He will not share His glory. The serpent's lie to Eve- you shall shall be a god.

[@IfSoFactSow]

The Holy Spirit is a seperate person. Nothing will ever change that fact. Scripture says to not grieve the Spirit. Thus it is settled. The false teaching by Satan always gives half truths to fool those he seeks to steal.

That's right. There are three living persons of the heavenly trio. In the name of these three powers,-the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized, and these powers will cooperate with the obedient subjects of heaven in their efforts to live the new life in Christ. - Ellen White

[@mistyhaney5565]

Okay

[@SantaFe19484]

Talking out of two sides of their mouth in regard to salavation.

[@johnswanson7504]

I used to live near the college that Herbert Armstrong ran. He lived in a huge mansion on the campus. He was rolling in dough. When they wanted to put gold plate on the walls of the Ambassador Auditorium on the campus, he told his followers to mortgage their houses on send him the money for the gold. He was a horrible, greedy person.

[@NikoFinn]

So... according to them salvation is a free gift of God which cannot be earned, but.. God gives it to those who yield to His law? Hmm... CONTRADICTION! They should read Romans 3-5 and Galatians 2-5 at leaat 10x. I am a personal trainer myself. That above is like saying, " Hey man, you can join our gym one month for free! It is all free, but... if you are TRULY a member you will pay 30 bucks starting from the first month. What do you say?" Lol! That ain't free, just lip service for free membership for getting the client's money. And salvation IS a free gift of God in Christ Jesus ALONE, 0% of our works involved, by heart's faith alone.

[@americanswan]

"Faith without works is dead." Deal with it.

[@NikoFinn]

@@americanswan James 2 is aboit profitability of our faith before man. Our faith is justified before man by our works, our faith is justified before God's law by it alone in Christ Jesus alone. Just read Romans 4 and Romans 5:1. If you deny we are justified before God's law, saved from hellfire by faith in Christ Jesus alone you are a heretic. It AIN'T about us, all about Jesus and what HE did for us. If I go to work and get a salary then I DID IT! If a person goes to work and gives me the money even when I do not deserve it, I just take it as a gift, then HE DID IT FOR ME and I thank HIM, not myself. There is no heretical faith and works to be justified before God's law. ONLY Jesus is to be praised, not us. Ephesians 2 is so abundantly clear: NO BOASTING of us. Why? Ain't go anything to do with our works

[@americanswan]

@Niko Raipale 🤣 If you're faith in Jesus and Jesus's ways and Jesus's sacrifice are genuine, your life will be righteous. That's what James is about. If your faith in Jesus is in name only and only to fit into a group, it is not genuine, and the life is not changed. It has nothing to do with boasting or our standing before men. You went off on some long tangent.

[@NikoFinn]

@@americanswan Unfortunately you are wrong. Have a nice day

[@Urfavigbo]

@@NikoFinn So James is wrong?

[@PedanticAntics]

00:16 _"ang-chent"_

[@k-v-d1795]

Just a few seconds in and they are already wrong. 'The original opostolic church faded from view as a great false Christianity'. Jesus told Peter 'And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it'

[@mercster]

Alert the media.

[@geordiewishart1683]

Do you actually know what this phrase about the gates of hell means?

[@k-v-d1795]

@@geordiewishart1683 well, after 1000 years of Church unity, the Church then splitting in thousands of fractions with complete different interpretations is damn close to it. But I'm sure you, a protestant, understand the bible better than any Church Father.

[@k-v-d1795]

@@JohnnyRep-hz5qh I'm not Roman Catholic. But thank you for your explanation, protestant! I will continue listening to my Greek Orthodox priest as I'm sure he is well versed in Koine Greek. Probably not as much as you tho.

[@GitzenShiggles]

Indeed. This was their attempt to become singularly absolute.

[@LyleFrancisDelp]

Be honest. There is NO united church of god. In fact, it has NEVER been fully united.

[@ianbowden2524]

Sounds like theosis from the orthodox

[@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts]

I really like the word "Tabernacle". Teachings of Armstrong, don't like quite so much.

[@jakedubin8219]

how come?

[@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts]

@@jakedubin8219 One big point, the emphasis on tithes seems to conflict with Second Corinthians 9:5-7: "So I thought it necessary to encourage the brothers to come to you ahead of time and to get your promised bountiful gift ready in advance, so that this might be ready as a generous gift, and not as something extorted. But as to this, whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. Let each one do just as he has resolved in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver." If everyone is to do as they have resolved, then their giving must be voluntary, not obligatory, as tithes were. Tithes were part of the Mosaic Law, so for them to continue after that system of things ended we would need a specific command, which doesn't appear in the Christian-Greek scriptures, rather we get the above verse, which seems to contradict the idea of tithing. Also, as Christians held so things in common at first, they would not have been able to tithe as they would have had nothing to tithe with. Secular history agrees that early Christians did not tithe: www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=500100102&srcid=share While it wouldn't be wrong to tithe nowadays, it is going beyond what is written to require it, since it is not required.

[@debhenry8159]

You are incorrect in saying that UCG teaches all World Wide did. There were corrections to things as needed. They are scriptural. I also perceive that there are parts of the doctrine that you do not fully understand and speak in error on. What is the purpose of this post? Your motivation?

[@Dank-gb6jn]

The variety of churches is nice, I really mean that, but the animosity and hypocrisy amongst churches is a turn off; and that’s coming from a self-admitted hypocrite. Based on that, I feel that it’s more appropriate to practice Christianity by yourself. Read the Bible and other ancillary works, pray, and live a godly life; don’t worry about what institution or denomination you assign to yourself; just live as godly and as righteously as you can. Beguines of the 13th-16th centuries were great embodiments of Christ’s love for us, though the Orthodoxy despised them.

[@AgainstFables]

The "unchurched" Christians are 65 million strong, largest denomination, and God is moving them in unison, you're in good company, my friend.

[@AnilKumar-sl1of]

My paster name joshep Paster

[@lindataylor8302]

Wow, sounds like the life of Christ when he walked the earth. Christmas is a joke along with Easter eggs😊

[@StreetsOfVancouverChannel]

Sounds like they embrace a quasi-version of theosis (loosely speaking) that's wholly absent of any critically discerning but crucially vital exegetical-etymological nuances...

[@obscuredictionary3263]

Yeah this is true.

[@obscuredictionary3263]

The Armstrongists do this thing you sometimes see Muslims do. Where they lay out the similarities between Islam and Christianity and then shortly after attempt to show why they are right (the similarities serve more as a draw). I have heard Armstrongists do a similar thing with Eastern Orthodoxy.

[@k-v-d1795]

No, what they believe has nothing to do with Theosis. You might need to start researching more before comparing an ancient tradition to this.

[@obscuredictionary3263]

@@k-v-d1795 The guy is completely right the Armstrongists have compared there belief to theosis for a while. All it takes is to go on a few websites to find this. This is a perfect summary actually. Hes basically saying although they may believe in something vaguely similar (and some Armstrongists even compare it to theosis) its "absent of any critically discerning but crucially vital exegetical-etymological nuances...". Look mate I'm Eastern Orthodox. And yeah there belief is far from biblically and patristically grounded theosis but the commenter was literally saying this. Your reply did not add anything to the conversation.

[@obscuredictionary3263]

The fact that some weird sabbatarian religious group is even comparing themselves to Eastern Orthodoxy is strange. I have been reading about these guys for ages and they are completely crazy. One of the sects even claimed to have apostolic succession 🤣(it reminded me of the landmarkist trail of blood rubbish ).

[@thylawismydeligh]

WHERE IN THE OLD AND NEW COVENANTS I WILL FIND THE SCRIPTURES WHICH SAYS , YAHWEH WILL CALL HIS CHOSEN PEOPLE FROM EUROPE ? YAHWEH SAID HE WILL CALL HIS CHOSEN AND DISPERSED PEOPLE FROM BEYOND THE RIVERS OF ETHIOPIA . ZEPHANIAH 3 : 10 MEV . NOT FROM EUROPE . FROM BEYOND THE RIVERS OF ETHIOPIA MY WORSHIPERS, THE DAUGHTER OF MY DISPERSED ONES, WILL BRING MY OFFERING. ZEPHANIAH 3 : 10 MEV. THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS AND THE ISRAELITE DID NOT SHOWER WITH SUNSCREEN 🧴 BEFORE THEY GO TO THE BEACH. THE ANCESTORS OF THE MODERN DAY EGYPTIANS AND EUROPEANS , DID NOT MAKE BRICKS AND BUILT PYRAMIDS 4000 YEARS AGO IN ANCIENT EGYPT. THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS AND THE ISRAELITE DID NOT USE SUNSCREEN 🧴 4000 YEARS AGO.

[@rms-vp6hf]

Mr Armstong prophesied the Communist Eastern European nations were the Beast, then a United Europe. He prophesied the lost tribes of Israel were the white European nations. Mr Armstrong also said his time was the era of Philadelphia, and if Christ did not return in his generation then the Bible was a lie and him a liar. He exclaimed he was “Elisha, a voice crying out on the wilderness!”. The list goes on and on from the 1930s until his death. He was by his own and any biblical definition a false teacher and false prophet, not a new Apostle. He was an absurdity who tolds us if we payed (him) tithes and kept the Holy Days we would “be as a God is” with the power of creation and rulership over men (Millenium). Mr Armstrong preached horribly unbiblical racist sermons as late as 1975 before changing “the one true Churches” teachings on that, divorce and seeking medical care. All about the time he had to experience scrutiny about his own medical needs, divorce and nation sentiment about race.

[@WilliamCarterII]

As an anthropologist, I always wonder what these fundamentalists mean by "change in kind" lmao They didn't even read what we found. I'm Coptic too. There's no contradiction between the bible and knowing that evolution is real

[@GitzenShiggles]

2:44 Our souls are eternal and immortal, yes. But, we are not gods and cannot become so. This is not scriptural at all.

[@NikoFinn]

Amen, Xan

[@bergeronwb]

Not that I support this belief, but how do you explain Romans 8:17 and it's relation to this teaching?

[@wendyleeconnelly2939]

Their teaching is that souls are not eternal or immortal, hence the teaching of conditional immortality. It is only those granted eternal life who are somehow on the track to godhood. They were probably influenced by Mormonism

[@geordiewishart1683]

Show from scripture that souls are immortal

[@crystalaldrich]

1 john 3:2. We will be like him

[@justinhadley2583]

Pnemuatomachians

[@keithwilson6060]

They actually sound pretty biblically orthodox, especially compared to a lot of the heretical groups these days.

[@lisaeshleman754]

what???? they dont believe in the trinity...believe we are going to become God beings and believe angels bodily inhabited the earth before the creation. none of that is remotely biblically orthodox. sounds almost mormon.

[@user-jc4zg4gd6j]

Strange religion

[@marcodesalud7034]

This is what happens when you use a black marker to highlite passages such as Col. 2:16,17

[@Harvey307]

The same holds true for these passages Exodus 20:8-11 and Deuteronomy 5:12-15

[@marcodesalud7034]

@@Harvey307 Yes, those were ritual ordinaces given to Israel that pointed toward Christ (Heb 4). The fullfillment of those shadows arrived, which is why Paul instructs the continual observance is no longer binding. Now cooking food on Saturday is no longer a sin - as doing so is no longer a denial of Christ.

[@marriage4life893]

@@Harvey307 Do you believe the Sabbath is to be observed today?

[@Harvey307]

@@marriage4life893 yes I do

[@marcodesalud7034]

@@Harvey307 What do you make of Col 2.16,17 where Paul says it is not? Or the Jerusalem Council in Acts 15 which does away with Old Covenant ritual observances that pointed to Christ? Do you keep the New Moons and yearly festivals as well?

[@janellestoermer5479]

It's interesting this group is still cult-like, and yet they hold to biblical creation (even with a view of the Gap Theory) and yet the non-cult group Grace Communion International is open to Evolution.

[@micharlflynn4404]

Judizers they are. Observing the law is called being of Judea which I'd not part of Christianity.nNever was.

[@geordiewishart1683]

What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey-whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?” (Romans 6:15-16, NIV). Some people had assumed that grace meant they could continue in a sinful lifestyle. Paul scorns that idea, saying sin is a form of slavery that leads to death. But what does Paul mean by “under law” and “under grace”? When the meaning of a Bible passage is unclear, we should first read the context-the verses before and after. That will usually help clear up any confusion. At times we will need to read the entire chapter or even the entire book or how certain language is used elsewhere to see the context. Interestingly, the epistle to the Romans-the letter that misguided theologians cite the most in arguing that Paul dismissed the Old Testament as being valid for Christians-actually has the largest number of Old Testament quotes that Paul uses to support his teachings! Paul quotes or paraphrases the Old Testament 84 times in this letter-an average of more than five times per chapter! So it’s nonsensical to argue that Paul in Romans is arguing against the validity or authority of the Old Testament or the laws of God written there. In all, Paul quotes or paraphrases 184 Old Testament passages in his writings (not counting another 83 in the book of Hebrews, which he likely also wrote), and this figure doesn’t include his additional dozens of references to people, places and events in the Old Testament. Who in his right mind quotes from a source as a primary support of his teachings while simultaneously arguing that this source is no longer valid or authoritative? Clearly that makes no sense. What subject is Paul addressing? But back to the context of Romans 6-what subject is Paul actually addressing? In Romans 6:1-2 Paul tells us: “What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?” The issue or question he is addressing is simple: Can a Christian who has “died to sin”-by recognizing that his or her sin deserves the death penalty, and has sincerely repented, been baptized as a symbol of burying the old person in a watery grave and been symbolically raised to a new life as an entirely new person now led by God’s Spirit-continue in a life of sin? Paul’s answer is blunt and simple: “Certainly not!” In no way does grace nullify, invalidate or negate God’s law. As explained in this chapter, God’s law is actually another gift of God’s grace toward mankind-it reveals the thinking, character and mind of God and shows us the way He wants us to live! The longest chapter in the Bible, Psalm 119, is one long hymn of praise and thanks to God for the wisdom of God’s law and the blessings it brings to those who obey it. Grace and law don’t contradict one another, they greatly complement each other! After the first few verses of Romans 6, Paul goes into a detailed discussion of two ways of life. One is our old way of living that led to slavery to sin, suffering and death (sin being the breaking of God’s law, 1 John 3:4). The other, continuing in Romans 6, is to “die with Christ” (Romans 6:8), accepting His sacrifice to pay the death penalty we deserved, symbolically dying and being buried with Him in baptism, then rising from that watery grave “in newness of life” (Romans 6:4), now “alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord” (Romans 6:11). Now living a new life led by God’s Holy Spirit, we are to “not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts” (Romans 6:12), but to “present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead” (Romans 6:13). The crux of the matter Then we come to Paul’s pivotal statement in Romans 6:14: “For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.” With the background leading up to this, Paul’s meaning is clear. For a Christian, “sin shall not have dominion over you”-because Christians are freed from slavery to sin (from being under sin’s “dominion”) by Christ having died for us and are now “dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord” (Romans 6:11). Sin no longer has us enslaved. We have escaped its power and its penalty of death. “For you are not under law but under grace.” Throughout the chapter up to this point Paul has been comparing and contrasting a sinful way of life that leads to death and a way of receiving and accepting God’s gift of grace and mercy that leads to a new way of life that will ultimately be eternal life. Now he compares and contrasts two very different outcomes. “Under law,” in this context, is referring to being under the penalty of the law-which, as he has mentioned in nearly every verse up to this point, is death. The law required death as punishment for sin. That never changed. What changed is that through God’s grace, Jesus Christ emptied Himself of the glory, splendor, majesty and power that He shared with God the Father and came to earth as a physical human being to take that awful penalty on Himself in our place (Philippians 2:5-8; 1 Peter 1:18-19). Because of that supreme sacrifice on our behalf and His resurrection from the dead-also mentioned in nearly every verse in this chapter up to this point-we are no longer under the penalty of death, but “under grace.” In God’s grace He has called us to His truth, forgiven our sins by the sacrifice of His Son, and offers us resurrection to eternal life just as Jesus Christ has been resurrected to eternal life. Paul goes on to explain the only logical response in the lives of those who experience and recognize this great gift of God’s grace: “But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness” (Romans 6:17-18). In deep gratitude our response to God is to become “slaves of righteousness”-totally committed and dedicated to our new Master and totally rejecting our old master of sin and death. Thus, being under grace does not mean out from under obligation to obey God’s law. Being under grace means out from under the penalty of the law for breaking it so that we may be empowered with new life to live in obedience to it in following Jesus Christ as Ruler of our lives! Paul summarizes the point of this discussion in the last verse of the chapter, Romans 6:23: “For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” “Gift” here translates the Greek word charisma, closely related to the word charis, meaning “grace.” And charisma means “gift”-the gift in this case being “eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord”-the ultimate gift of God’s grace!

[@geordiewishart1683]

So you don't observe the law? So you must see no consequence in lying or stealing or murdering?

[@rexjamerson9316]

@@geordiewishart1683 Excellent summary. I noticed that no one has attempted to debate you?

[@mistyhaney5565]

Neither was Jesus.

[@micharlflynn4404]

Armstrong is in Hells fire

Ecclesiastes 9:5 - For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

[@davedanny9053]

😅😮SaTaN AR WORKK DWMINS 😮DEVIL AR QOEJ GI TI HWLK BIRCH 😮😅