Gran Turismo 4’s Secret Online Multiplayer

Gran Turismo 4 had official online multiplayer. And it still works.
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[@sasharedd6984]

Shout out to the hobbyists for keeping old games online.

[@RoninChaos]

Hahaha I was a part of this beta and I’m pretty sure I still have the disc around somewhere.

[@Kaceydotme]

I'd love to hear more about the process-- provided you're confident the NDA is a nonfactor today. How did you give feedback? What did they ask you to do besides just play?

[@RoninChaos]

@@Kaceydotme I don’t recall them asking us to do anything specific. It was pretty much like all of the other Playstation betas I had participated in. Disc shows up and play until there was no more access. Then I would just fill out a questionnaire. Pretty simple. I just remembered being surprised at the time that they didn’t just give us a handful of cars and tracks.

[@fatfurie]

@@RoninChaos yep.. i dont remember an NDA or anything. i just remember signing up.. getting a disc.. and the beta ending pretty quickly. i didnt know so few people were chosen.did you still have your advisory panel card and cd case they sent us? lol

[@scrustle]

I know it was only on screen for like 3 seconds, but that footage of Tron Evolution reminded me of how when I played that game, it seemed to be pushing the online progression weirdly hard. So much that the single player story almost came across as being simply the introduction to what the "real" game was. I played it way after the online lobbies died, and I wasn't impressed with the campaign. But I could see some potential in those mechanics, and wondered if maybe anyone had ever managed to mine something out of it by playing a lot of multiplayer.

[@Kaceydotme]

I wanna play it online still-- i believe it's still possible on console. PC would be if not for the broken DRM

[@ram_taka3436]

Fellow Tron enjoyer eh?

[@RexcorJ]

Tron fans!

[@GaiaGoddessOfTheEarth]

I played this game with friends for a while after it was free with gold on x360 and it was actually a lot of fun. I ended up using horizon to max out me and some of the friends levels and the gear you got from being maxed was actually really good. Don't remember the specifics of it much but that game was surprisingly good multiplayer.

[@moehouse_thegxldenboy745]

@@Kaceydotme If you have the original ps2 (or slim), you can always connect it to your pc and play it through xlink kai

[@touku3631]

I remember discovering GT4 online a few months ago when I started collecting my GT games physically. Was in the market for a GT4 copy and found it listed for like nearly 200 usd. But what I really wanted was the GT memory card for the PS2

[@eddieru]

$200? was that shit sealed in plastic still?

[@touku3631]

@@eddieru as the video says, only 3k in Japan and 2k in America were given out. So owning a one in 5,000 game is really rare

[@mistamontiel00]

GT did a memory card? Features?

[@touku3631]

@@mistamontiel00 nah just a normal memory card, it was white with the GT logo so it looked clean

[@mistamontiel00]

​@@touku3631 Dope, also reading above it jus dawned on me how curious it is such a limited beta online release employs the DNAS roadblock, comedy

[@Hello_Cheesecake]

Nintendo could learn a thing or two from GT4O. mainly, stable online play.

[@NickJerrison]

You could say that about PS3 in general. MAG and Resistance 2 had very sizable player counts and without any paid subscription services either, all runnable smooth by enabling a 3G hotspot from an iPhone 4.

[@krusher181]

@@NickJerrison meanwhile in 2022… we can’t play smash brothers without wanting to die from the lag

[@Lollllllz]

Even GT7 on launch could have reviewed this one.

[@awii.neocities]

@@NickJerrison Honestly, I hate how we have to pay a monthly fee for online play now. Why? Most servers are managed by the developers, so the money doesn't even go to supporting the servers.

[@boblikepie]

It always impresses me how much dedication and skills these hobbyists have to bring back these old games

[@endmiee35816efqe]

Hey, i'm the one who had the desync problems. Just to clarify, my emulator settings were honestly fine. pretty standard, no speed hacks, and overall balanced between performance and quality, only main difference being resolution. My specs were fine. The game itself ran perfectly okay, but my car would suddenly spike in speed and throw itself forward. It's not like my emulator lagged, it was just as if you turned on turbo. Whether or not this was an emulator bug or the netcode itself is a mystery to me at least, as I actually disabled my turbo button for this reason.

[@scordatura9259]

Did you fix it?

[@machinehl]

desync problems happen when your loading times are slower than host's and that speedup bug happened to me many times, usually after my emulator lags a bit.

[@babysaleem1]

I recently came back to GT4 12 years later at the age of 22, one of the only games that's as good, if not better than I remember. Thanks for helping people play this game together again

[@KamikazeXero]

Thank you for posting this! I was a part of the PlayStation Underground "Gamer Advisory Panel" you mentioned back then, and they reached out to me via email to sign up. I think I remember answering a quick questionnaire (though I don't vividly remember an NDA. I unfortunately lost the disc when a game store I asked to look at my PS2 kept it (the store has long since went out of business.) I do still have the leaflet that acted as the manual though! I also have the public beta for Jak X: Combat Racing, which is far less cool!

[@huuishuu]

A game series I'd love for you to cover one day would be the Midtown Madness games. The impact the first 2 games had on early PC gaming, especially considering their online features that are still being kept alive today by the community, and the absolute robust modding support those games had. And then the awkward 3rd child that only ever released on the Xbox that most people have forgotten about. Really, really would love your take on these forgotten gems.

[@minignoux4566]

don't forget about their successors, the midnight club games

[@lordmegatron65]

I'm just so happy this exists now! GT4 is my all time favorite GT game! I love seeing it still appreciated so much to this day! 😊👍

[@dopey473]

I'm definitely joining the server, I've been dying to play MC3 and GT4 online with someone.

[@Trinity_Primaris]

6:27 oh MAN I LOVED THIS GAME SO MUCH and would kill to play it online again! I'm so shocked that few people actually played tron:evolution. What a fun game!

[@Kaceydotme]

I wanna get people together for it, look me up in the discord

[@Toupycat]

Damn, that's so interesting, great video! I forgot about the DNAS logo. What a great piece of graphic design.

[@gokartmozart9430]

I remember getting the invite to participate in this beta, but it was first come first serve and I didn’t read the email for a cpl days. I was sooo bummed I missed out! email wasn’t just in you’re pocket back then, it was on the one PC the whole house shared lol

[@MiloTheMightyDude]

2:18 Why does the logo look like you're supposed to type the letters to prove you're not a robot?

[@Frapskillar]

Another wonderful Video essay! Well i have to try to play some more "big house" and would love to help with some footage

[@RogueBeatsARG]

Imagine the variety of races with the car list GT4 had

[@LoneWolf0648]

its funny that an unreleased gt4 multiplayer beta has more lobby features than gt7 like the ability to change the track...

[@RowdyGT]

The PS2 Online discord server is the main hub where GT4 players look for races as well as almost every other PS2 game online. New servers just split up the already small player base. Also it would be fair to point out that the GT4 Online setup is VERY hit/miss for everyone. Some people get it first try with zero issues, others can never get it to work for a myriad of different reasons.

[@Kaceydotme]

This new server has gotten people from who had no idea this existed to dive into it.

[@Rarexpl]

Love it 🤩 personally waiting for GT5 back online because it's my favorite

[@Kaceydotme]

it's been back online, there's footage of it in this video. look up GT5 Master Mod.

[@thegloobster]

Good ol' Kerb and 1UP. Gotta appreciate all the games they've revived for PS2, and putting up with all those guys in Socom 2 lol That being said, I could probably count the times I've played with both of them on 1 hand, rarely see em' on, so it's like they're really just doing this for us at this point, gotta love em. Time to hop in this Discord now and see what's up!

[@FunGameClips7]

What are the current dns settings?

[@Atilolzz]

But when will we get GT 2000 online?

[@nergimmm8308]

I tried on my super slim making it as a ps2classic package file, it doesn't work 😔

[@bobthebuilder9509]

Huh. A stream just popped up into my feed over GT4 Online, and I thought it was just an emulator emulating LAN. That’s… kinda cool to learn about!

[@mirceta3637]

how to get the primary dns

[@fhjunior6183]

Thanks for the vid

[@spanishginger]

I used to play halo 2 on and Star Wars battlefront on Xlink kai a ton. This will be great

[@DankRedditMemes]

That reasoning for making the Vintage Online Discord is amusingly the exact same reason Zophar's Domain was made in the late 90s, except with emulation instead.

[@dusterpl6093]

1:42 yo what, how is it possible to play all these ps2 games on a ps3? do you own the backwards compatible model or it's a modded software running on a later ps3? i'm really curious

[@dusterpl6093]

i'm a cretin you literally said its a launch model aughggh

[@Kaceydotme]

lmfao it’s okay. you can actually play PS2 games on later systems with mods but you can’t go online & your mileage is gonna vary wildly in terms of compatibility.

[@acquire8658]

GT4 online is like a dream come true...

[@toone1562]

You should make a video about MGS 3's online. IDK if you are a MGS fan but it released around the same time as GT4 online and I think that it would be very interesting to hear you cover it

[@konigvonpreuen8065]

This is so cool!

[@TheDJLogy]

Dude, these servers run better than GT7 servers..

[@JimmyProductions]

Well, I don’t have a PS2,3, or a good PC, but I have a jailbroken PS4. Let’s test it out!

[@megacherv]

Yo this is rad as heck Also this has re-kindled my want to try and acquire and soft mod a launch PS3

[@TheBrandonn]

Yo dude, I have a launch PS3. Still looking?

[@xan1242]

Now that I look at your NFSHP2 footage I think I fixed that connectivity icon position, but I could be wrong...

[@Kaceydotme]

That video is about three years old, haven’t gotten another chance to play yet

[@gearoidnyhan9226]

This is a video I been years waiting for I have a backwards compatible Ps3, but can the files for this be got online without getting one of those discs? Would it be required to dump this onto a hard drive first ??

[@bongoman9578]

Using a PS3 with cfw and managunz to launch it, it is possible to play it online

[@Kaceydotme]

You just need CFW to load the patched iso. That’s it. No other mods required. The patch is in the Legacy discord

[@lightyagami-qj7ix]

I always get "Failed to join race." No matter if I was the one who created the race or not. If I'll join my friend who created the race, I still get the same error. Any solutions?

[@Kaceydotme]

Done port forwarding?

[@matirodr]

@@Kaceydotme i get the same error, how can i do that?

[@SEGACD32XMODEL1]

I remember learning about a new exploit that lets anyone burn PS2 ISOs to a DVD-R without any mod chips, and that's when I got lag free gaming

[@bongoman9578]

Freedvdboot

[@agit5270]

That shit saved my life

[@TheBrandonn]

Or just try not being a broke bch lmao

[@TheBrandonn]

U sound like someone in a hut in a 3rd world country lol

[@AKK5I]

4:30 hey look they even got the Group 3 BoP lobbies in GT7 all the way back then

[@alansanchez6952]

1:45 i noted that in order to run PS2 games in PS3 via the PS2ISO folder you must have a CFW firmware and not with HEN 4.88 and instead you should convert PS2 iso to pkg format and then install in the PS3.

[@Kaceydotme]

that is a very stupid way to do that, you should just use proper CFW.

[@Wheagg]

Wonder how much they could actually bring over to CELL. Netcode and CELL at once is probably hell on earth.

[@neo1711]

why do i always find out about this stuff so late

[@LupineTendencies]

Kacey fursona when

[@Kaceydotme]

It exists, and you're never going to see it.

[@LupineTendencies]

@@Kaceydotme Now I want to see it more!!

[@Tokyoracer247]

@@Kaceydotme might as well make an OC RX-8 Transformer as a “mechsona”

[@inalone]

Amazing as always, Kacey.

[@ZedNinetySix_]

Legacy Online is what the world needed to be a better place

[@wiediantosuwarsono6301]

You don't play outrun 2006 online on your pc because will great if you play it and i'm fans of outrun 2006 and already join on legacy online

[@StevenReviews]

I sat through all the ads, Great video please make a video about driver renegade for the 3ds underrated and the 2 devs that made it did so much other impressive gta style ports gba ds and 3ds

[@Kaceydotme]

all the ads? There shouldn’t be any midrolls

[@StevenReviews]

@@Kaceydotme I watched the video earlier and finished it this evening, So when I went to finish I got the 2 ads but I watched them both over 5min :)

[@Kaceydotme]

@@StevenReviews I appreciate it but were they prerolls or mid rolls

[@StevenReviews]

@@Kaceydotme 2 prerolls

[@Kaceydotme]

@@StevenReviews ok that is normal. You don’t gotta watch em

[@farofrusiante6526]

Where are you played it, emulator or OG hardware?

[@Kaceydotme]

Back compat PS3, so og hardware.

[@paddy8170]

What house?

[@massive2341]

2:46 (sees Nyoomiroquai) “THERE I AM GARRY THERE I AM”

[@lostkaiser1995]

Crazy how smooth the player cars run smooth Forza horizon 5 isn’t even this smooth

[@yellow13_]

This game was the peak GT

[@naplam11]

So that was ther prototype of Sport when we spot GT4 Again and again, it become even greater and greater

[@THANOS_SPA]

I have a cfw ps3 will it work ? Ps3 slim btw

[@Kaceydotme]

No

[@javianbrown8627]

I guess my regular version of GT4 can't be played online then. Would be nice to try Rayman arena 3 online too

[@zviko4351]

Am I bugging or are some of those menus in the video gt3 menus?

[@Kaceydotme]

Nope, everything was GT4 Online.

[@squirrel_disaster]

I actually watched a video about GT4 online a few hours ago and it looks really well, also, do you know if there's any way to play GT5 online again?

[@p_Hak]

I think there is a way of playing GT5 online if you have custom firmware on your PS3. Look up the GT5 master mod

[@Kaceydotme]

^yep, master mod.

[@bongoman9578]

Yup if you use the master mod and xlink Kai, online is still possible through Lan tunneling

[@spont24]

You gotta make a video on Midnight Club 3 online, another obscure PS2 multiplayer experience that still has a community

[@user-sn8zx5mv1x]

Don't forget Burnout 3 online.

[@TheBrandonn]

Played that game local multiplayer with my dad SO many times summer 07

[@havoc3-243]

Kacey will you ever do Call of Duty on the Wii?

[@danalabomme968]

Props to you..

[@R3AL-AIM]

I probably have well over a thousand hours into this game.. Unfortunately, that was during it's prime of the early 2000's and getting and internet expansion pack for the PS2 was never a huge deal for my parents lmao EDIT: AHHHHH I SEE I SEE

[@1BergerVongSchlauigkeitHer]

A game with a really big house? Sim Tower?

[@ismaeelkhan9511]

please can someone tell the name of this game 6:52

[@Kaceydotme]

EA Seattle's version of NFS Hot Pursuit 2

[@maher496]

how do i get a rom of it without getting a virus?

[@Kaceydotme]

the one in the PS2 online discord is good.

[@maher496]

@@Kaceydotme where?

[@yunarukami974]

I would like to play the OG Monster Hunter from the PS2 online.

[@bongoman9578]

Monster Hunter and monster Hunter g work online

[@jonnywalker3208]

Erm yeah I held the record on de la sarthe and tsukuba back in the day! In the pal region if we had lan and modem for the Ps2 we had this and it was far from a secret

[@Kaceydotme]

You are mistaken. This was only released in extremely limited, NDA numbers for Japan, South Korea and the United States. You've conflated GT4 Online with another Gran Turismo release.

[@isaacsrandomvideos667]

I did. Know it existed…

[@TallTapper]

car

[@s20ultralife7]

Truck

[@shawklan27]

Cancer

[@emperorfaiz]

Bicycle

[@itryen7632]

Oh my fucking god what is it with this game being so ahead of its time next you're gonna tell me that it predicted the results of the paris olympics

[@Kaceydotme]

Well now that you mention it….

[@mirceta3637]

primary dns . is this my ip or what

[@Luchingador]

Cool

[@KatAspen]

Just checked out your Twitter for the first time (I never use Twitter so that’s why) and found your profile pic to be a super cute and accurate anime portrayal of you! Where did you find it/get it?

[@Kaceydotme]

My girlfriend drew it!!!

[@KatAspen]

@@Kaceydotme that is so cool! She is amazing!

[@itsonlymeactivitor1965]

i saw ThunderTHR in the server 💀

[@ThunderTHR]

That Thunder guy sounds like a twat. :)

[@suntannedduck2388]

Well this will be good. Are you going to cover GT4 For Boys (that or I assume mention it in the video briefly) also as I think it was around the same time. Either way 6 hours from now. 3 hours later I'll be ready. Hopefully. XD While it's not much from what I've seen of KZbinrs use of GT4 Online or checking the difference of things besides the online mode focus and what was cut I think it was a fine attempt of sorts with the menus, what they have for setting up sessions and so on. I have never played any GT game online (or most games online in general) but I assume they are improved or have similar elements (that or the obvious of online expected features for the time for private/public matches, pick a car, track, no clue if penalities are a thing in later ones for how strict races could be or whatever I can only guess). Sucks they removed the campaign and replaced that whole mode with only the online and arcade modes but still makes sense of course as online is the focus I just find it weird it wasn't an extra mode as an add-on of the build (no clue how Sega GT 2002 Online is but I assume similar and adds the Online mode/Xbox Live support to the previous game but on a new disk of course. Never played it or seen what it's like footage wise I can only guess what they did) to the whole package but eh it's a minor thing. I know they had to release new disks for such an experience but still surprised. At least it has the arcade mode though but kind of pointless if the original GT4 has all that unless if people only had a GT4 Online disk. Either way most of us that know about it know it had a test and never released widely to the world but the build has been accessible to those that know people are using it and where you can get it. I mean most ISOs I see have barely filled up the disk (even if yes compressed they still barely do) anyway so I always find it ridiculous. No clue if it would have been too much or used the highest DVD storage size with more layers available but still.

[@Housesider]

There's not really anything out there about GT For Boys, beyond the fact it was a concept that Kaz wanted to make. It essentially got turned into what GT PSP became.

[@suntannedduck2388]

@@Housesider Good to know thanks. Makes sense now that I think about it.

[@bronwaith]

Hey just thought I'd let you know, youtube unsubbed me from you:( I just refound you and glad I did!

[@KevinAbillGaming]

I knew this already from a KZbinr named Rowdy.

[@RowdyGT]

I love that guy

[@KevinAbillGaming]

@@RowdyGT Who? Kacey? Yeah, I love him too. (no homo)

[@TheBrandonn]

Too bad gt3 doesn't have an online mode. SOO much better than the 4th game!!

[@ScReamOut93]

5:04 IS THAT DAMAGE? GT4 had no damage model or ist that a homebrew feature?

[@NorexGG]

My brother in Christ that is Gran Turismo 5

[@ScReamOut93]

@@NorexGG Well, thanks for the info

[@machinehl]

@@ScReamOut93 it looks bad 'cause that's a gt4 track on gt5 (gotta use 'hacks' to race on it)

[@ScReamOut93]

@@machinehl ty for the enlightment.

[@machinehl]

@@ScReamOut93 np

[@p0werfu11]

Is there a room in your community for reviving multiplayer in GFWL games, or is it too basic for this topic?

[@Kaceydotme]

Absolutely! While a lot of it is technical, I also want to help people find players for games that still work but are just dead. What are you looking to play?

[@p0werfu11]

@@Kaceydotme currently: The Club; Juiced 2. There is a technical aspect in this system though, which gatekeeps people from trying it, but there are good guides for making it work (too bad the guide about shutting GFWL down became infinitely more popular)

[@cloudy_shane]

Why does your discord server require having an account with a phone number connected to it?... Can't do anything, even grab any roles. It says that the security level is too high. *Sigh*

[@Kaceydotme]

Anti-troll and anti-spam measure.

[@cloudy_shane]

@@Kaceydotme Don't you think it's like shooting ducks with a cannon? This server is the first one I've encountered with such a big verification level. You would be better off using an account verification bot than this... Anyway, for me personally this measure ruined my interest in the server, yet I'm no troll and never spam anywhere. It's just sad. Some people simply have no interest in giving discord their phone number information, like me.

[@xnyxiee1784]

@@cloudy_shane Then, quite frankly, you'll need to deal with it.

[@Spawned4Dinner]

Whats the game at 7:33?

[@Kaceydotme]

Forza 4

[@Shinny1338]

A game I'm debating tracking down a 360 for. God is it a good one

[@rotarydude9737]

There's only one HUGE downside of it, you NEED lan or else it won't work. That's the only reason I don't do it often, I have lan myself, but literally none of my close friends who'd id want to play with do. So until a workaround is found, sadly im not interested.

[@1updev]

The GT4 online beta isn't done over LAN. Not sure where you picked that up considering the title of the video even states that.

[@rotarydude9737]

@@1updev Mans really put lan, whoops. Meant Ethernet. If I didn't say that already.

[@Kyush4]

we're on this channel, do you really think we know this does not exist? haha

[@Kaceydotme]

A lot of people commenting didn’t.

[@1988Demien]

You sold me on it

[@loks2569]

need GT2 online

[@Tinfoilpain]

Community Car

[@erickschusterdeoliveira2662]

I'm sorry but this honestly just reminds me of the USB xkcd

[@Kaceydotme]

the goal is not to compete- it’s to act as a hub that, yes, plays games together, but also refers people to all of those other servers and communities. That xkcd implies that my server would replace the ones I refer to in the video, not that it would just organize and facilitate information and education about these widely spread topics while also establishing a community that brings those hobbyists together.

[@Kaceydotme]

also a lot of gaming communities are really shitty to trans people including a few I’ve played old games in previously so I want to create a space that is vigilant about keeping the community friendly for other people like me.

[@erickschusterdeoliveira2662]

@@Kaceydotme fair enough, just wanted to point it out in case this was a spur of the moment thing. I wish the best of luck to your server!

[@maxsaldana2027]

Yo, Burnout vid? The better racing game than nfs. JK but really burnout vid when.

[@BlueShift2000]

I rather would play Motorsport 4 online, was way superior to any GT title (except 6 and 7, never played them).alone mount Fuiji was a blast.

[@stillhaventcomeupwithaname9371]

This video was an ad for his discord lol. Memes aside, this is really cool. I always wanted to experience old vintage online gaming since it shows how old hardware can still be used in today’s completely online world

[@Kaceydotme]

This video was not an ad for *her discord. there just isn’t much more to say about GT4O. 80% of the runtime is not about Legacy. The server plug at the end was supposed to be a small mention to hopefully get a small boost of people to soft launch and develop the server.

[@char4854]

jaming

[@TheGamingBadger2]

gaming

[@lord_vwphaeton1883]

gaming

[@Birdknives]

gaming

[@hotdog_kid1234]

gaming

[@AdamHemi]

gaming

[@dusterpl6093]

gaming

[@Ant_105]

Comment for the algorithm

[@awii.neocities]

2 years later and legacy online is dead asf so much for that

[@Kaceydotme]

Two months after this video came out I had a major negative life event that I’ve still not recovered from, and haven’t been able to deal with my existing commitments much less this large one I had just taken on. I’ve wanted to get it back on track but haven’t found myself in a place to. I’ve considered handing it off or closing it

[@awii.neocities]

@@Kaceydotme Id recommend handing it off if you really can’t get it back on track, the main people active there are me, Yuriko, ogi.vxz, LuckyTechGaming, Catsame, nya catboy mk 1, Paul, and Birdknives. Good idea, but it wasn’t able to hold many people.

[@awii.neocities]

@@Kaceydotme all good, i’d personally recommend you hand it off if you really can’t do it

[@brawler5760]

Better online experience than in GT7.

[@SDRIFTERAbdlmounaim]

having more asians than American testers and no European testers is not racist whatsoever 👀

[@Kaceydotme]

This is one of the stupidest comments I’ve ever read

[@ThunderTHR]

The fuck is wrong with you?

[@catfree]

Why is everyone trying to copy Scott The Woz's speaking pattern?!?!? unintentional or not this is both annoying and scary :(

[@Kaceydotme]

I’ve literally been doing this longer than Scott The Woz has.

[@catfree]

@@Kaceydotme KZbin is off the wall today I was commenting on this video "kzbin.info/www/bejne/qITaipiJr55kerc" dunno how it ended up here good video btw

[@Kaceydotme]

That dude has also been around longer than Scott and ALSO sounds nothing like Scott

[@FranciscoFJM]

@@catfree Ok so i sat down and watched Kacey's video again, then watched the link you shared, and then i went and watched Scott's latest video. Conclusion: These 3 people sound NOTHING alike, what the hell are you even saying?

[@catfree]

@@FranciscoFJM I only meant to comment on Great Blues video but KZbin bugged out and made me comment on the previous video I watched and yes Great Blue doesn't sound like Scott but he has the same speech patterns