Forza Motorsport 4 Retrospective: The Franchise's Peak

Forza Motorsport 4 was the peak of the franchise, for so many reasons, and it still holds up today. Stick around til' the end for a channel update.
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[@saleth9]

I was stationed in Okinawa, Japan while serving in the USMC and had an internet connection with latency so bad, playing online was impractical. FM4 was my go to game during that time because it was the only game that I could enjoy online functionality with friends and family sending paint jobs and tuning setups back and forth. It was also the last Forza game that I truly enjoyed and would not hesitate to purchase DLC for. There was something odd about that game and it's DLC, it felt like it was some kind of Premium product I was purchasing and was excited by each new release.

[@Kaceydotme]

Love stories like this. Sometimes it’s the circumstances of how and with who we play something that make it special.

[@tnkl_4254]

Thank you for your service mate, I'm glad FM4 helped you enjoy your time over there.

[@Exponaut_R-01]

I had some DLC for FM4 but since the servers well and truly died it gives me an error every time I try to select my Sauber C9 which was honestly one of my favorite DLC cars for having F1 performance before any open wheels touched the series.

[@salz_]

"Not all dreams come with six figure price tags." That pretty much is the best thing you've said for the Forza series

[@dustojnikhummer]

I wish Motorsport 4 was on PC

[@TheJakeMG]

Xenia is getting better fast.

[@dustojnikhummer]

@@TheJakeMG Unfortunately only for Intel+Nvidia users. I’m AMD+AMD

[@stepladder3257]

Yeah, it’s a microsoft title, I don’t know why they don’t want it

[@TheJakeMG]

@@dustojnikhummer That's a shame. I heard Dolphin has similar AMD issues

[@Ce0ammer]

@@stepladder3257 It´s because the want you to buy new things. They could have made it backwards compatible on the XBone if they wanted ...

[@404eitch]

I can see how Turn10 thought it might have been interesting, but the switch to "Drivatars" made AI opponents much less fun to play against by making them both (subjectively) worse and less distinct. I knew exactly that M. Rossi was going to squeeze me to the very limit at every hairpin corner, but I have no idea what kind of driving style NoobScoper2004 is going to have.

[@McDonaldsWiFiHashiriya]

Lmao M Rossi and P Muller were the legends. There was also a G. Esposito or something lol

[@michazmuda1477]

Forza 4/Horizon 1 AI was way better. Especially that Forza AI become more agressive in season world tour.

[@m-seb]

They made a video on Ars Technica about how Drivatars use neural networks to improve and I genuinely don't understand why they would do that considering that they're still dumb as bricks on pro difficulty and straight up cheat at unbeatable.

[@SicSemperBeats]

drivatar is fucking stupid. i hate it lmao

[@saadhasan2518]

Yeah the AI drivers in Forza M4 provided fun and challenge and I loved to race against them

[@austinbaccus]

I used to work for Turn 10 (through a vendor) a few years ago as a software tester, and everyone I knew there would probably agree with your sentiments in the video. Hopefully the team at T10 will remember how awesome FM4 was and make the next FM game like that

[@ThaDutchDK1989]

I am a longtime loyal Forza player. Bought every Forza from 2-7 and all horizons. Forza 2-6 where great and horizon 1-3 two. But with horizon 4-5 and fm7 they changed the physics to sh*t physics. Hope fm8 is gonna be good otherwise I’m done with t10. I 2 want thank you for your great work on the older Forza’s

[@DerickZ28]

And they didn't. At least when it comes to progression...

[@OdysseyTag]

I know I'm an outlier in saying this but I have a profound admiration for car games and sims which put effort in licensing and including regular, run-of-the-mill, pedestrian cars as well as lesser known international car brands. There is a charm to being able to drive a subcompact hatchback you actually have driven or seen in person, to drive in a grid full of MPVs, to bare through the excruciatingly long 0-60 time of a FWD mid-00's Euro station wagon. I know some may say "why would you want to drive something as bog standard as a VW Polo or Toyota Corolla" but that's just it - every arcade racer is lined up with your 200mph+ exotics. The charm of a sim is in attention to driving dynamics, vehicle detail and authentic racing experience - all with an abundance of different classes and types. Same way you don't only expect to fly 787 Dreamliners in Flight Simulator, you also appreciate what a Cessna might have to offer. Totally get your love for Forza 4 Kacey.

[@BudgetBuildsOfficial]

You have fully encapsulated how and why I love Forza 4 as the best BEST Forza game. Also I loved that you could very literally turn off the entry requirements and enter any car, in any race, in any category. Didn't matter if it was woefully over or underpowered you had that freedom. If you've ever heard of Sega GT2002 it has ALOT of the aspects that I love about Forza a solid few years before it was even a thing. Awesome Stuff mate 👍

[@Kaceydotme]

Glad to hear from ya Budge. GT2002 is fun as well, I’ve played a bit of it online. I like that the rerelease has an Rx-8 on the cover

[@OverTheHillsAdventures]

@@Kaceydotme am i wrong,but some who worked on SGT ended up starting T10?

[@Cascroft-lp6ir]

Never thought I'd see you on this channel. Neither did I think you'd play Forza 4 😂

[@mattiapresti7295]

The greatest defect? Basically, it's compatible only with the Xbox 360 wheel and there's no PC version. But actually, for someone who is into simracing, like me, was beautiful having every, perfectly settable, car in arcade mode. By this way, I used to plug ny joypad, choosing a car and a track and I started hotlapping. Offcourse, physics and graphics were already pretty good, bots were better and was introduced the rivals mode, that let me to enjoy online game. Guys, I'm sorry, but someone who plays computer sims, isn't interested in growing a carreer on console, and the online races of this kind of games have too much airborne cars, or eventually noobs

[@Darek225Army]

Yeah I love sega gt 2002, sucks that the only way to play it is on the original xbox though

[@BIGDVG]

Get your money bud! An add is not going to hurt your content. You make top notch content and you deserve anything you can get from it. Thank you for all the joy. P.S. Did you ever touch Midtown Madness any of the midtown madness games? Midtown Madness 3 was my childhood.

[@Kaceydotme]

Thank you for the kind words

[@BIGDVG]

@@Kaceydotme As you mentioned with slow car fast. MM3 was the first time i learned that. I was too young to know the cars but driving the Flea or the cement truck was just childish fun.

[@icky_thump]

Midtown Madness 1 and 2 were my childhood on my old family PC! I loved free roaming. DEF cover that series sometime!

[@zachhatten261]

I used to rent Midtown Madness 3 from Blockbuster as a kid. That game was awesome. My first time ever playing an open-world driving game. That and Midnight Club 2

[@that_camo_bronco_guy]

Completely agree with the complete statement you said. Even midtown madness 3, I remember booting up my Xbox daily to play it. I sucked at the challenges so I just free roamed. Still have my original copy, however it broke probably 15 years ago.

[@Under10Hours]

They really should have named it Fourza and called it a day

[@krishacz]

4za

[@Kaceydotme]

@@krishacz thst sounds like a Pizza Hut special

[@fathersunglasses6085]

Haha

[@Under10Hours]

@@Kaceydotme Four flaming hot and fresh Zas right out the brick oven!

[@andyward8430]

At that time there were so many games and movies that had names like that too. It would have fit right in.

[@jktwice8235]

Ah yes, Forza Motorsport 3 and 4. I honestly can't tell which I liked more, because they're just both great games with different sets of content. I wish Rally di Positano came back in 4 with the full layout for example. The soundtrack is also fantastic. Lance Hayes did a great job with pushing this unique style for these few entries that the later games didn't really have, starting with Forza 5. Now Forza just doesn't feel special anymore, and I think you did a great job of explaining why: because there's more sports cars than just cars.

[@Sunny2456-]

"Where dreams are driven" - That is the truest statement. Forza 4 is where I first got onto the skyline train, and I spent the last 5 years working towards learning and importing an r33 gtr to the US and it's funny when I go back to my old saves and see the liveries I had created on the skylines saved in my garage. I just loved the cars, the tracks, the music, and I'm really sad my save got corrupted but I think one weekend I'll just sit down and play a whole lot of it and relive the good old days. Really fantastic video man, it was a great retrospective.

[@goobwilliams]

The only thing I dislike about Motorsport 4 is that an ultimate edition was never released with all of the DLC on disk like with Motorsport 3, meaning its nearly impossible to play with the full car roster anymore if you never owned the DLC previously. I've just been stuck with the pack-in version so its worse for me too.

[@Cascroft-lp6ir]

Bundle copy? Full game is only a fiver from CEX, you'll usually find a unused Launch Bonus car park dlc code inside too haha If you get lucky and find the GOTY edition, you'll get the above + the September Penzoil Pack and the American Muscle Car Pack. As you say, the Ultimate edition was DLC codes for the cars which 9 times out of 10 have been redeemed. Very rare to find one that hasn't as you paid more for it just for those DLC's lol I did have some unused DLC codes for sale awhile ago so they are out there still.

[@goobwilliams]

@@Cascroft-lp6ir The bundle copy is the Essentials Edition, which was bundled in with some Xbox 360 S packages and is the full game, just without the second disk for more cars. Didn't realized that other versions existed outside of the regular, essentials, and Limited Collector's Edition, but there was a Platinum Hits release which was just the base game re-released. On eBay the GOTY edition only had listings in the UK and Germany. I'll probably just pick up the regular or Collector's because they seem to be pretty available, even without any of the DLC codes. Shame it isn't backwards compatible properly (I guess it works if you claimed it for free as a digital download through Xbox Live Gold in the 360 days but I'm not sure) because playing with a wheel would be nice without having to buy a specific 360 enabled one

[@DarkKnight2845]

@@goobwilliams I did see a launch bonus track and car pack on sale on eBay before.

[@lillexus5589]

@adam_odell 'official' you can edit your profile through Horizon to manually change money and XP, that's how I test drove every car in the game. Takes some hassling with profile signatures and other nonsense but certainly worth if yo complete your car collection in game. You need about 400mil to buy every car available in career mode.

[@RaceDefendImportTunerTeam]

Just get the version with the 2nd disc, go look at the dlc cars we can't get, there's like maybe 8-9 good ones, mainly the unicorn cars like the mines skyline, top secret supra, Mugen integrals and a couple more. Those are the only cars I wish we could get, but I'm good with the 2nd disc add on cars, just the cars on that 2nd disc are better than all the cars from turn 10 2013-2024, absolutely wild.

[@weakling9140]

I think one of the best parts about this game is the diversity of the car list. It's not just a shallow palette of normal cars, historic cars, and supercars. There's actual depth in the car list. The inclusion of low-powered commuter cars is something you normally don't see in racing games. What makes it even better is that they expanded on it rather than just adding 1 or 2. Examples include the Chevy Volt, Nissan Leaf, and Ford Ka. This was also demonstrated for classic cars. Along with icons from Chevy, Ford, and Dodge, FM4 had cars like De Tomaso, the Abarth 131, the 330 P4, and the Saab 99 turbo. Also, they didn't just add all the generic Lamborghinis and Ferraris that most know about. FM4 included lesser known brands like RUF, Spyker, Lotus, and Weismann. Even coachbuilt cars were included (Bertone and Spada). Overall, the developers clearly made an effort to do more than just scratch the surface of each type of car. I feel like that's missing in most of the modern Forza games. FM4 is my favorite Forza by far. My affinity for this game is enhanced by "Legendary Ratio" and "Paris Rouen."

[@KhanCipher]

>lesser known brands >RUF ah yes, the totally not porsche brand that got used because EA at the time had an exclusive deal with Porsche. >Lotus You know, both RUF and Lotus have been featured in Gran Turismo since 2, which was released all the way back in 1999.

[@bluwusky5167]

To put into perspective the "Japanese bias" in Gran Turismo's car list, consider this- GT4 had about 750 cars in total, and 121 of them were Nissans. And that's not even counting all the tuned Skylines and 350Zs, or the likes of Infiniti. That's at least 16% of the list dedicated to one manufacturer.

[@Kaceydotme]

God, written down like that.... It sounds so much worse than it is.

[@kylehyde215CA]

I feel like GT6 was worse about it. I remember there was possibly every single option for a Toyota GT86 you could buy. Scion, Toyota and even Subaru versions that were the same car. Stranger still, there was a C7 Corvette prototype that was still under a tarp.

[@x-90]

There’s 32 different types of Miata’s. Only two generations of Miata’s were out

[@vandelayofficial492]

@@priyapepsi I know, right?? Why can't it work like a configurator on a company website or something?

[@FarmYardGaming]

Good L O R D.

[@JustcallmeGnarly22]

I'm glad someone else shares my love for normal cars. I could really care less about the exotics. Give me a Cobalt SS or Neon SRT-4. I still play Forza 4 to this day because of the great car selection.

[@JustcallmeGnarly22]

@@TheFurryInShambles I don't own a PlayStation though.

[@kirbyswarp]

Does Forza 4 have a Cobalt SS? I just beat NFS carbon in a Cobalt SS (modded in).

[@JustcallmeGnarly22]

@@kirbyswarp yeah it's the SS turbo.

[@JZStudiosonline]

Tell me about it. I'm on PC, I even have a toy steering wheel, but the only really available racing games are the terrible NFS titles and the woeful to drive Crew series and "hardcore simulators" that collectively have about 15 road cars. I've resorted to using a PS2 emulator for GT4 and Enthusia. The other bit of fun with Forza was upgrading the cars, something absolutely none of the PC titles do.

[@skyscall]

@@JZStudiosonline I'm in the same boat. We really need something like Forza 4 for PC. As for myself I've just stuck to BeamNG.Drive. While it may not be a good *racing* game it still encapsulates that idea of making normal cars special

[@ESVGriffin]

It’s sad that due to licensing issues Forza 4 will likely never be backwards compatible. I went back to FM4 earlier this year to do some races and leaderboards. I had even more fun than I thought I would. These days I still play 7, it has its moments. It’s the missing community features that bothers me the most

[@Davo_1991]

4>all other motorsports, 6>7>3>5

[@user-mf7jy3on3z]

xenia on xbox be like

[@Cez-ario]

4 Seems to be the magic number for both Forza Motorsport and Gran Turismo

[@HisameSymouri1995]

Except GT5 and GT6 expanded the series with more "boring" cars, FM5 and FM6 just added more and more simulation features and hyper cars. To me, GT5 and GT6 were way more fun than FM5 and FM6, both the single player and multiplayer. I remember getting excited to get my free birthday car on GT5 and my friends would all send me a car for my birthday as well with the car trading system which is way better than an auction house.

[@emdotrod]

Forza Motorsport 4 was the game that led me to purchase Xbox 360. Simple as that.

[@dusterpl6093]

The first time I played FM4 was back in 2017, years after the game has been deleted from Microsoft Store so I couldn't buy any DLC's, and that's the problem. Way too many cars are hidden b ehind the paywall. It got to the point, where cars that were available in FM2 or FM3 had to be purchased by real money to even have a chance to drive them. That completely destroyed all enjoyment from the game, and I left it and played first Forza Horizon instead.

[@Infamous.07]

Did you buy the essentials edition? That stuff was bullshit. Too many cars are dlc. Sucked a lot of the enjoyment out of the game.

[@dusterpl6093]

@@Infamous.07i got it as a christmas present. i thought that this is the standard edition. are there some other editions of fm4 out there? is this the worse one or something?

[@Infamous.07]

@@dusterpl6093 every edition of fm4 except the essentials edition came with a disc 2. That disc 2 was what would allow you to enjoy the game a lot.

[@JZStudiosonline]

Also means you can't play with any of the Porsche DLC, which is like 30 cars alone.

[@dusterpl6093]

@@Infamous.07 well, looks like it's the time to look for a new fm4 copy to buy and enjoy

[@spongebelt]

The only KZbinr I’ve seen to mention Saturn lol

[@Kaceydotme]

dude saturn is UNDERRATED.

[@lambov1053]

@@Kaceydotme Totally agree, Saturn is extremely underrated! I've always had a soft spot for Saturn ever since i bought a yellow Saturn Sky on Test Drive Unlimited! Speaking of TDU, are you going to make a video on it? I think TDU1's PS2 version deserves some love

[@Kaceydotme]

@@lambov1053 I actually reviewed TDU1 a few years ago. But it was my first long form review and it was so bad that I’ve since unlisted it. I plan to go back to it one day when I’ve got the mood to play it again

[@lambov1053]

@@Kaceydotme Nice, that's good to hear! Take your time!

[@icky_thump]

@@lambov1053 i played the hell out of TDU1 on PSP and loved it. I heard the PS2 version was inferior?

[@PaneledPear]

FM4 really was that good of a game and to this day it's still my favorite racing game. I went back to it recently on a fresh profile and quickly noticed the game's amazing progression. In newer Forza games you can do something RNG based and immediately receive something that just takes away from reasons to continue playing the game. As an example, in FM6, the first level up reward had a chance to be a Veyron SS. By contrast, in FM4 your choice is between some hatchbacks that are slightly faster than the city cars you start with. Even better though is driver level 2 reward where you're given a choice of tuner cars. In order to compete in events from the event list in them, it seems like the game incentivizes you to upgrade them to a higher class. I feel like little aspects of the game show how much care went into making the game. I mean, mic recording vehicles when newer games typically have much less realistic synthesized car sounds? The series has turned into more of a cash grab imo. That's not to say the newer games are bad- definitely not. However I don't see the subtle details in the places that really matter. What's the point of having a beautifully crafted open world with lots of content if there's barely any reason to do said content along with driving and progressing through the game just not being satisfying? I'm sure some people can get some of that from newer Forza titles but at least personally it's not even close to the same feeling as FM4 conveyed. Don't really have high hopes for FM8 to fix modern Forza problems, but I'd love to be wrong.

[@ld9387]

Yea FM4 had really good progression. FH4 doesn't even give you an overall percentage for completion. So what's the point?

[@vulrect8176]

@@ld9387 There's star cards section though

[@finn14henry]

the memories of M. Rossi right on me throughout the 3 laps of the bernese alps i still hold closely. finishing the race and realising you’ve levelled up and now you can choose a new car to max out and see how fast it can go down the le man la sarthe track. memories man

[@thelockenbubi7117]

Dude, there are clips of Horizon 2 on Xbox 360. That version still haunts my nightmares.

[@michazmuda1477]

ah yes, famous money glitch i did, AI in final race was not even hard to beat.

[@zachhatten261]

Horizon 2 on 360 was an abortion of a game. You could slightly press the brakes and 150 mph and come to a dead stop in like 3 seconds. I also fell through the ground multiple times

[@michazmuda1477]

@@zachhatten261 indeed, plus glitched instant travel which give you max money.

[@paulclynes9865]

And yet still has a better MP than FH4's constant waiting around driving aimlessly in the world + stuttering menus + loading screens with awful music + disconnections.

[@Cobra_427]

there was a patch of grass up north that acted like ice, also there was an unbeatable head to head race that ended outside the map, right by said ice grass patch, it was by a dirt road, and the race finish was on the other side of a guardrail that you couldn't pass, and no tuning menu, also don't know why the docks were cut from that version I feel like the 360 could've ran the Xbox One map

[@amazingamer360]

I can't believe the Prius was never brought back to a Forza game ever.

[@fuze3522]

Or the nissan leaf and chevy volt.

[@TallTapper]

or the Chrysler 300C (was also on 3)

[@jordanwardle11]

the manufacturers want to show off their high end products instead of their regular cars

[@nathanbrisebois8756]

I loved all the weird, obscure cars, like the Spada Vetture Codatronca, Spyker C8 Laviolette, all the economy class A-to-B hatchbacks and sedans upgraded to S class with turbos and superchargers dropped into them

[@TheStigHCE09]

FM3 was the first racing game that actually made me cross over to Xbox having been a diehard Gran Turismo fan for decades, but FM4 is to this day my favourite racing game of all time. I miss my ABC'S multiclass hopper. I want to experience that again.

[@YouMystMe]

Did I just see a GranTurismo PSP clip? Great game, I spent a lot of my childhood collecting cars on GT PSP.

[@TeardropSidemarker]

Nice work with these reviews! My fondest memories of the 360 generation were GRID and its sister DiRT (specifically 1 and 3. 2 was weird). Even though the simulation aspect was more arcade oriented and stylistic, the fun factor and creative variety were so refreshing, over the Forza series’ more consistent, perhaps even stagnant, evolution between 2-4. Loved all these games don’t get me wrong, but Codemasters’ entries to the GRID and DiRT franchises leave only happy memories in my mind.

[@russell1617]

I enjoyed forza motorsport 4 because of the Auction House, the Top gear announcers the Track and Car list (Still no Subie Bugeye) and Most importantly the Ai racees and Interior Cabin Views Fully Utilised in Split screen!! The newer and even the older forzas except "FM3" had no such features in it's split screen offerings....but i do miss the FM2 and FM way of picking a region of cars and making some cars rarer and more expensive depending on the region you chose...and also the ability to trade cars between profiles on the same Xbox! Man i miss that Feature a whole lot! Me and my dad and now even my roomates always use the feature, selling and buying other cars and having our own little private stock market for cars, locally on one console.

[@McDonaldsWiFiHashiriya]

Man these are genuinely good... You deserve more views

[@RacerC45]

I'm still pissed that cars that I've grown attached to in Forza 4 haven't returned in later games. RIP 2010 Camaro SS, '97 Acura NSX, '06 Koenigsegg CCX, '99 Ferrari 360, '05 Mustang GT, 2010 Shelby GT500, 2010 Corvette Grand Sport, '03 Viper SRT-10. You'll be forever missed.

[@slideways8022]

The NSX is now under the Honda name.

[@AppleSlipper]

The 2006 Koenigsegg CCX is in Forza Horizon 4 as well.

[@RS-nq8xk]

@@slideways8022 FM4 had 2 Acura NSXs and 2 or 3 Honda NSX-Rs...

[@robadoba]

Thank you, you literally put my thoughts about FM4 in words. The reason I don't love newer racing games as much as I loved FM4 is the car list. It's always the same kind of cars, no diversity. In FM4 you could drive the most "normal" and unspectacular cars like the Peugeot 206, Chevrolet Spark and even a VW Fox, like seriously, which other new racing game lets you drive a VW Fox? I'm just tired of always having to choose between 70's-90's icon cars and 2020's super cars. It's getting boring at this point cause the car list's always the same in every game. I don't want a Mustang or RX7 as a starting car, just give me some standard, cheap commuter cars!

[@haaxxx9]

You put my words out on paper why I don't like the newer Forza games! Everything just became more multiplayer focus and needlessly need to give you the best cars for the game to offer for just breathing. The events are there but there is little to no motivation to play em cause you get nothing in return... I dropped FH4 after 30+ hours and people get mad at me why I don't like that game (Played FH3 for over 300+ hours and enjoyed it for the most part.) I despise multiplayer in Forza (Beside getting into groups that do care about the game) cause people drive horribly that ends up getting me slammed or punted into a fucking wall and the assholes drives off like it's nothing... Over 100+ hours dealing with that and I am done with that bullshit! Top it off most people who have those high HP cars reaching the Class level cap can't control them what-so-ever and need to use most/all the assists to barely tame them. It's fucking embarrassing that I can pass em and get a good gap behind me with a car that's 1/2 the HP that I used. Wanna curb stomp those causals out of spite... Piss me the fuck off. I'm glad I had friends who DID cared about the racing aspect and didn't treat FH3 like it's burnout. Even though I didn't play FH1 yet I adore the enjoyment of that game starting yourself in a Volkswagen Colorado and working your way up into the ranks EARNING more Money/Parts/Events for you. You HAD to work for it and that was the best thing about Forza! Now it's gone replacing to Normie causal shit... So boring... Also the Forza Community is bias as hell and can't form an opinion that is negative about the new games... Or else you get deemed at a "hater" and backlash saying all kinds of dumb shit. Hope almost every community get a permanent shutdown one day, Can't STAND those asswipes!

[@JustDevon]

BIG AGREE. On the handling front: the newer games are more understeery feeling to be less intimidating to casual players. That's my theory anyway

[@ttp_danny6395]

@5:39 that’s me!! 😂

[@SiMBol10]

Genuinely loving these shorter videos, this was one of my favourite videos of yours yet!

[@ToyotaCamrySEv]

I was in 1st grade when this game came out, and I would go to my cousin's house to play it at the same time I was learning to read. It was so cool hearing the Top Gear guys and getting to drive "the cool cars from TV" I credit this game to why I love cars, racing, and video games (even though Im a playstation/gran turismo guy now)

[@anthonyquattro584]

by far my favourite racing game of all time, here are my top reasons why its my favourite. firstly, the handling dynamics are such a perfect blend of sim and arcade, I especially love the way my 800kg Miata feels when being absolutely ringed around rally di positano. secondly, the addition of consumer and low level cars such as the Toyota Aygo or Ford Ka even the car my brother used to own was on there a very slow but fun ford fiesta zetec (not an ST model) third, the game had a great selection of tracks, in particular Fujimi Kaido a Japanese mountain track. A Japanese touge track is absolutely yearned for in not only forza but other racing games like Gran Turismo. I could write much more but ill keep it short and simple, I cant find another game that satisfies my need for a good simcade as much as this game did.

[@jornthree8881]

Why is it the best game in the series? You can pit a Smart Fortwo against a Porsche.

[@4n0nym0u5]

I really love this type of channels. The information, presentation and execution is insanely good. Very high quality stuff. Sub earned!

[@boldlygoingnowhere366]

After FM4,everything never be same again.

[@Wubsy96]

Dude, take all the time you need. Your videos show the effort you put in your work, and that's all the assurance we need. On a personal note, your videos are amazing. Content from you, Raycevick, Scott the Woz and other KZbinrs maintain my drive for being creative AT ALL. I'm trying to establish a channel myself, but I'm equal parts lazy and lack the proper time / 'opportunities'. Just so you know, your work is having a positive effect on others like me.

[@fathersunglasses6085]

Salaam, bro Muhammad 💯

[@sweetsclifton4667]

I really enjoy your content you make things interesting and fun to listen to and help me get a better grasp of whether I should play a game or not keep it up you're doing great and I have a feeling you will get passed 50k subs in no time wish you the best of luck! : )

[@ntnyjskf7872]

Good luck kacey. I'm sorry for your current situation, and, even if I'm limited, I'm trying to support you as much as I can

[@indelaxiom]

Absolutely! I miss driving my '57 Ford Thunderbird in Forza 4. Those were great times.

[@LeweMan]

I really, really appreciate how you've stayed true to yourself even in difficult times Keep it up my dude, the quality of your videos is great and getting better with every upload ♥

[@IIUzzymanII]

Thanks for what you do dude. I appreciate it and enjoy your videos

[@christopherwilliams9418]

GOD, I FEEL THIS SO MUCH I was really sad when I found out the New Beetle Turbo S wasn't returning for Forza 5 and I haven't played a Forza since the 360 version of Horizon 2. They could at least throw me an RSi and I might pick up one of the newer Horizon games... XD Hope you get your RX-8 someday! Attainable dream cars are the best dream cars, I'm saving up for my own New Beetle Turbo S now. You gonna' go for the pre or post refresh model?

[@Kaceydotme]

Pre, so much better looking imo. My plan is to get a Lexus CT200h first then buy an RX8 as a secondary car so I’m not worried about being stranded if (when) it breaks.

[@christopherwilliams9418]

@@Kaceydotme It's kind of a shame there's not really a daily driver friendly RX-8 engine swap for the clean ones with blown engines, I bet a Speed6 engine in an RX-8 would be a blast... As much as the rotary folks might find it to be sacrilege. :P The CT200h is kinda' cool too in its' own way, kind of fun that both of these cars were in Forza 4 IIRC!

[@Medocproductions]

love what you do fam and i'll never mind if you put ads on your vids. Quality content and work MUST be rewarded. :)

[@thebornelazer6435]

damn bro proud of u for growing ur channel so well. I remember when i talked to u at the unf gameroom a few years back u just started it

[@Kacpa2]

I always wanted to try Forza 4. Now i will go and buy it to play on my friends X360.

[@SkylineLofe]

"And I can only hope that one day Turn 10 remembers that all dreams don't come with 6 figure price tags" Fucking thank you. Holy fuck, I cannot begin to describe the amount of times that I have screamed at a wall saying the exact same thing, while playing FH4

[@haaxxx9]

"You want an La Ferrari via wheel spin? Well you got one as well as the Aventador and the Veryon for free as well!" *Uninstalled FH4 off my PC* I want to earn my shit, not be giving to them for just breathing.

[@zorb7171]

keep these videos up! you are doing great man. i hope you can make this channel a career for yourself. you deserve it for sure the content is amazing.

[@naturalborndylla]

Honestly my favourite game is still Forza Motorsport 2 idk if its a nostalgia thing but I absolutely miss that game

[@KudosMSGP]

Same and I still have it

[@ColorMeDoubleZ]

Loved the vibe of 2 so much, the soundtrack was killer.

[@jeffo1017]

Dang i gotta watch this tomorrow, i don’t have my 360 anymore and it’s not a backwards compatible title on the one, but i still own the steel book version i got in 2012 and it’s my favourite forza

[@JustcallmeGnarly22]

360s are cheap. I think it's worth picking up one just to play Forza 4.

[@jeffo1017]

@@JustcallmeGnarly22 yeah i definitely will at some point, mainly for forza 4, but also nonbackward compatible games. but at the moment i’m not gonna buy one cause i ordered a game boy advance a few days ago lol

[@simonhudak3763]

1:52 The Fiat Punto Sport was driveable in the European version of Need for Speed Most Wanted 2005, you can tell its the sport version by the exahuast tip and front bumper.

[@AfroMyrdal]

One of the best videos about forza out there.

[@uppity12]

I think I feel like I like these games for the opposite reasons. Forza Horizon 4 has to be my favorite racing game of all time purely because of how much it offers. The map is huge and beautiful and changes with the seasons. It has team games which is some of the funniest and most exhilarating gameplay I've had in a racing game, and there's still plenty of racing to do too. The entire map is also complete filled to the brim with little speed challenges while you're just exploring. I feel like I could just jump into Forza Horizon 4 and drive around the map for at least an hour cause it's just stupid fun. This is a great video.

[@nikhilmink]

*mentions project cars 3* Me as a Sim Racer: *TRIGGERED*

[@Masterphr-og7db]

I enjoy your videos. Can my wait until the next one.

[@ze5258]

The writing on this vid is very good, well done!

[@subarusympathizer]

I'm not one to usually comment, and I've never commented on any of your videos previously, but I just wanted to join everyone else here and say you make great content. I've definitely appreciated the more consistent uploads, as your videos are very well made, and I enjoy hearing your takes on various games. I will say though, I guess it's a matter of preference but I still think that best car list goes to GT5. I see the multiple car variants as a positive, as I see it almost like a museum when I can drive and then read about the subtle differences between my 6 2003 Subaru Legacy's. And while the Japanese bias in the car roster is a plus in my book, the game still features enough obscure or ordinary European cars to tickle my fancy in that regard. I guess all I'm saying in this ramble is that I really appreciate the roster in GT5, and one of GT5's main themes surrounds the beauty of the automobile, in a manner that I don't get as strongly from the Forza games. Also if you ever get the chance I'd recommend picking up a copy of the Apex Ultimate Car Guide that came with the collectors edition of GT5. It's a good read and again puts into perspective GT5's reverence to the automobile.

[@ali._.hallani]

Did anyone else fall in love with the music from this game?

[@BayAreaMike99]

EV the 1st song in the menus is B L I S S

[@ThomDorke]

Fantastic video! My 1st Forza game was Motorsport 3 and I have a soft spot for this era of the series. Outside of the difference in the car roster, I think you hit the nail on the head in terms of the driving model of the newer games. I've been playing a bit of FM6 as of late as I think it's the most complete of the XB1 versions, however, I have difficulty at times with cornering and the like. I've gotten used to it, but I know if I went back to FM3/FM4 and then back to this one I'd have to re-learn how to play for sure. I think the older games nailed the handling and as a result the "fun" factor. P.S. I think Driver San Francisco would be up your alley in terms of car selection. A lot of "regular" cars you can teleport into and what not.

[@JamieDaywebsite]

NGL after the authors note I instantly become a Patreon. God speed dude

[@mrmcguru163]

Love em or hate em you got to admit, this was a great video!

[@Arrrash]

I might be the exception, but I like when youtubers get sponsors because I know how much work it takes to make videos for people

[@Bearcade]

Best of luck with money and really love your content. Take care. I love Pop N Music and IIDX.

[@ZetaRidge7]

FM4 is easily one of my favourite racing games of all time and I'm so very glad so many are still playing this game.

[@Octane_Rampage_]

My favorite in the series! The 68' Dodge Dart Hemi was my jam in this game. I was very happy to see it in the 5th installment. This game was a huge improvememt in handling with cars to drift. Drifting in F3 was difficult. Forza 4 for simulation, and PGR4 for arcade. Good ol' days!

[@dylanlumpe]

This is the most accurate Forza video I've ever seen, no childish complaining but straight facts and opinions, I hope Forza sees this. We need so many changes and we need to revert back to the Motorsport 4 formula, this is coming from one of the biggest Forza fans on the planet.

[@FoxRS]

6:36 you say "their focus..." and a Ford Focus appears. =D Well played! My path with the Forza series was a late one. I bought an Xbox 360 some 5 years ago only so that I could play some Forza games and other Xbox exclusives. I had a blast with Forza 4 and Horizon 1. F4 was a great experience and Horizon reminded me of the awesome TDU. Haven't played another Forza Motorsport, but after playing some 20 hours of Horizon 4 I just find it too silly for me, so I'm very excited about TDU Solar Crown. Thanks for the video, great work! Cheers from Portugal 🇵🇹

[@SFH_Jenkins]

I love listening to you. Great video!

[@tonkinesenchill4240]

The most fun I ever had on a forza game was racing an evora v6 engine swapped exige round the Nurburgring. I remember the joy of being outclassed on the straights by super cars but wrestling my way back to the front in all the braking zones and corners. I remember at the time being really impressed with how the cars moved around on the road and had a very satisfying feeling of balance, that was forza motorsport 4

[@saadhasan2518]

Forza Motorsport 4 to me is the best Forza game in general and one of my all time favourite racing games loved the car list the career mode was amazing the online was great as well played alot of online especially in A,S,R3 and R2 classes

[@MrAeroHD]

Well done as always. :)

[@RoseVine748]

Thx for your entertaining content

[@dmomintz]

Audi S4 B5 w/ manual shifting @ Laguna Seca = Perfection. I can still remember every turn.

[@Nesserris]

I remember one time in Forza 4 upgrading a Prius all the way to A class, pairing me against Corvettes and Porschas, despite being equal classed, they were a lot faster. Despite that, I managed to fight my way to 1st. That one race was so much more fun then anything I've done in Horizon 4 so far.

[@haaxxx9]

2 hours out of 30+ hours that I played for Forza Horizon 4 was somewhat enjoyable, the rest was mundane and straight up boring... Always getting a hyper car, always upgrading it to the max, racing the same class cars OVER again, V12 swapped cars that everyone use in Mutiplayer, Ai (Driveatars) are so unaware that if there is a loud explosion going off they won't even The race that you did with the Prius was so ridiculous that it's note worthy of a race that you though you shouldn't won... But did anyways. Underdog races are often the best kind of racing for me! Besides driving a Prius in game or in real life, couldn't give me over $500K just to ride in those pieces of shits in my life.

[@Pc118Gamer]

I remember being utterly shocked seeing this Game on the Costco TV's back in 2012, this was only 2 years after my family got our first flat screen tv. The only racing games I had really played by that point were NFS 5 and 6 on PC. Seeing that jump in fidelity was insane.

[@R3AL-AIM]

awesome video man, I feel the same way

[@rad8078]

2:10 decade.... damn it felt like yesterday I got this on christmas morning. The intro still gives me shivers

[@maverick_578]

This video made me wanna go play forza 4. Great content 👍🏻

[@MrXaniss]

Yep, Forza 4 is my fav non-sim racing game EVER.

[@dannyreed7600]

Priuseses Pri-i-eses. (Love this channel too keep it with the content!)

[@dejiko]

You are my favorite racing game youtuber

[@toshineon]

Hit it on the nail. While I can appreciate a good Köningsegg or Lamborghini, what I really love to drive in games are the normal cars, the cars I've seen a thousand times in real life. I can drive the Volvo C30's and 850's, Saab 9-3's and Citroën C1's that are a daily sight here in Sweden, the type of cars that I'll probably drive in real life the day I get a license. I can drive the exact model of Nissan Micra my dad used to drive. Those are the things that make a racing game truly fun for me.

[@nilsdendekker1300]

A little time back i played FM4 against my sister and we raced against each other in a peugeot 107. It was the best race we had that day

[@Octane_Rampage_]

Great video!!

[@theomegadetra]

the best three hours i've ever spent in a racing game was in forza 4. it was my first day on the game, and as soon as i realized the prius was available to drive, i made that my primary car for as long as i could. i upgraded that little bastard to i think just below S rank before i realized i wasn't competitive with the cars around me anymore, but driving that little shitbox around the world racing the usual collection of sports and supercars was probably the most fun i've had racing on a console. so thanks for this video, because it made me think of that memory, and that's pretty cool

[@Caracatungas]

I've never played this game, I was always a Gran Turismo kid. The first chance I have to get this game, I'm buying it

[@CJ-gh4eh]

Wow this video actually gave me chills purely because of the nostalgia, long live fm4!

[@speedyblacksheriff]

Very high quality video, I like it

[@roideus]

You were kinda right about this being their Project Cars 3 moment.

[@ElysiumGD]

Played this on my Grandad's XBOX 360, I loved it! :)

[@foobar5057]

6:36 I see what you did there.

[@Kaceydotme]

OH THAT WASN'T EVEN INTENTIONAL. I'M A COMEDY GENIUS.

[@apexgt4]

My first forza game was 5 although I’ve always wanted to play 4 but never had a 360. I eventually got it and I agree with pretty much everything you said. It just feels better than the newer games. The Xbox one games are still good though. Also I’m glad you are uploading more but keeping the same quality in your videos. I hope this channel gets big so all the work you put into these gets the audience it deserves.

[@aidanpysher2764]

Forza 4 lead to both cars I've owned. I've had an E34 BMW 5-Series and a W212 Merc E-Class, both which I spent HOURS driving in FM4. I've spent hundreds of hours in FM4, and it is BY FAR the best in the entire series. Slow car fast was the best part of the game. It was an absolute riot getting an F-Class car up to an absolute monster of an A600 and using it in tag infection online.

[@raisinbran1421]

Honestly you’re so underrated

[@baku2461]

8:21 as someone who's dream car is the volkswagen golf mk1. that line rings so true

[@Dink-ss7wv]

Forza Motorsport 3+4 and Project Gotham Racing 3+4 raised me.