Gran Turismo 7 vs GT Sport: Driving Physics Comparison

UPDATE! This is now outdated as the physics have since been modified in Gran Turismo 7 in the latest 1.31 update. Check out my thoughts here: • Gran Turismo 7: New Ph...
A direct comparison between the driving physics on Gran Turismo 7 and GT Sport. Is Gran Turismo 7 really a new game? Or does it rely on the same physics model as GT Sport? I'm on a mission to find out.
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[@Kenz1221]

Honestly, the driving physics are much more enjoyable on GT Sport than GT7. The oversteer/drift control on sport was great fun with the right setup, you could hold some really nice slides and realistically aswell. You’d still spin out if you pushed too far. The flat cornering was much better aswell in sport because you wouldnt go spinning and flying off the track by going anywhere near the throttle mid turn in a track car🤣. If they released a physics update that made the gameplay behave exactly the same as sport did I’d be so happy. Surely it can’t be that hard to copy and paste the physics from their last game?

[@OllieRacing]

I think if the physics were exactly the same as sport, we’d then have everyone complaining it’s the same game 🤣. I’m sure they will update it and it will improve

[@jkclassy3643]

@@OllieRacing True, this is the era of complaining as we seem to get offended by almost anything and focus on negatives rather than positives.

[@istoleurfaceha3527]

New physics update came out. Hopefully it’ll play much better now. I already noticed lowering suspension and increasing downforce on some cars actually work properly now

[@maksimd9454]

100% agreed

[@darknez09240]

i really like the physics of gt5 and gt6 they feel more fun and natural balance over under and oversteer, you can control a spin into drift very easily, the understeer of FF cars and 4wd, awd is very noticeable, then in gt sport the physics is changed completely but the grip and overall feel is still ok, although some cars like huracan act very weird in handling if you fully upgrade it the huracan became very unstable every turn, but still gt sport you can control a spin or a drift easily, but in gt7 i feel like they screwed up the handling physics way too much, you spin too easily doesn't matter if you a re driving a track built gt cars or normal cars, they can snap and feel twitchy for no reason, and the stiffness of the car movement is weird when you are trying to control a spin or oversteer, the car animation is weird and the steering animation as well, it's so frustrating being a long time gran turismo fan and this is what we got in the newest title, i would rather go back and complete the single player of gt5 and gt6 and even gt sport, gt7 handling is too weird and unnatural and not fun at all, i really hope people start to tell polyphony digital about this handling model's problem, it's definitely not this hard to drive and control any car like the bmw m4 in your video in real life, it's a sports car for god sake and yet they felt like dangerous unpredictable car in GT7, it's very unenjoyable

[@OllieRacing]

I haven’t played GT5 and GT6 for quite a while so can’t really remember exactly how the handling felt - although definitely not snappy. 100% agree with everything you said. As far as I’m aware, polyphony are looking into it and the reason we haven’t had a BoP update is because they are looking into the physics first before changing the BoP as if they adjust the BoP first they may have to do it again if they adjust the physics. 🤞🏼we’ll have a fix soon

[@darknez09240]

@@OllieRacing try to get gt5 or gt6 they felt awesome to drive and cruise, my favorite thing to do is to drive a honda or mazda on the de la sierra circuit, it's longer than nurburgring and the view and the corners are awesome, i really hope they add that into GT7, anyway GT5, GT6 has a very smooth understeer and oversteer reaction they felt realistic to me and fun, only muscle cars tend to spin easily , rx8 felt accurate on stock they hardly spin with enough grip, with upgrades the rx8 is super stable and can spin if you throttle too much seems about right even if i have never driven a real rx8 but i can feel like it's the true characteristics of rx8, and 4wd, awd, FF cars you will feel the understeer immediately, and you can reduce the understeer by tuning your suspension, the old handling works perfectly fine until they change it from sport

[@darknez09240]

check this out GT5, GT6 has better camera shake you can fell the car struggling to turn and braking gforce kzbin.info/www/bejne/fYHZkKWOlLScfdE

[@OllieRacing]

@@darknez09240 I remember really enjoying the Nissan calsonic GTR Super GT car in GT5. That was when I first started playing racing games online 👌🏼

[@maksimd9454]

100% agreed. I thought its just my impression. GT6 was perfect, than Sport came out - it was worse but still okay. GT7 is undrivable. I mean I can easily control real life drift on something like m4, but in game this became totally impossible. So how is this a "SIMULATOR"???

[@kelvingomersall7460]

Great video! I've been waiting for someone to post a video that is an actual experienced track driver. I said from launch that the cars need an extra 5% grip at the rear accross the board. I've never seen a Gr3 car spin out doing 115mph on a slight bend at full throttle in perfect conditions. I hope it's something that they fix in the next update. I've gone from fighting to be in the top 10 weekly to being glad I can do one lap without spinning off because of the snap roulette physics model.

[@OllieRacing]

Thanks mate! I really hope they fix it too. I feel like it’s not even a grip issue, it’s just the way the physics model results in a snap. Like you said, it does feel like snap roulette sometimes!

[@goncalomoura3410]

Yeah, it feels good when you’re asking just for lateral or longitudinal grip, but way too snnapy when you ask for both at the same time.

[@OllieRacing]

@@goncalomoura3410 exactly that

[@Gaming-Enthusiast]

Great comparision, i bought Gt Sport for the Ps4 and never played it , though i have jumped into Gt7 now with Vr2 and must say what a awesome game ive been missing out on Ps5

[@OllieRacing]

It does look awesome with VR2! Since making this video the physics have also been improved too

[@samanthasoares4806]

I got a racing wheel specifically for gt7, and then subsequently used that racing wheel on sport after realizing it really doesn't feel good in gt7, it's unrealistically unforgiving with snap oversteer and not being able to counter oversteer without it snapping at the end, tbf I got a wheel for drifting and drifting in gt7 is iffy at best and impossible at worst, even asseto corsa and beam ng is easier and that's closer to real life, really sad when your arcade sim is less fun that legit sims

[@OllieRacing]

Yeah it is unrealistically snappy on GT7 unfortunately. Definitely snaps more than a high performance car does in real life

[@iHecta]

Great insight! Ty for the comparison!

[@OllieRacing]

No problem mate!

[@gracegerrard1903]

Another great video! Thanks once again

[@OllieRacing]

Thank You!

[@OllieRacing]

UPDATE! This is now outdated as the physics have since been modified in Gran Turismo 7 in the latest 1.31 update. Check out my thoughts here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/lZDTnXqjaKlojac

[@Afura33]

To be honest the feeling of driving in gt sport is better than in gta7.

[@OllieRacing]

You’re not the first to say that. Have you tried the new update on GT7 with the physics change?

[@Afura33]

​@@OllieRacing I haven't tested the new patch yet :) . However lol I think I am in the minority that thinks that gt sport is better than gt7.

[@alexg9155]

@@Afura33 Nah bro I'm totally with you. GT7 is exaggerated and unnatural. I'm sad I threw 80€ at it. I wish I had a time machine to undo this silly decision I made.

[@Afura33]

@@alexg9155 Same her, I wish I would have kept playing gt sport instead of having bought gt7. I don't know driving in gt7 doesn't feel as good and real as it does in gt sport.

[@siaeliae4231]

I'd be interested for the comparison now.

[@OllieRacing]

I’ll try and get on the new update this weekend!

[@siaeliae4231]

@@OllieRacing that's be amazing! Thanks.

[@ScottPC]

GT Sport was so predictable, I don’t like the sudden snap of GT7.

[@OllieRacing]

A lot of drivers have complained about it. Hopefully we get a fix in the future 🤞🏼

[@ScottPC]

@@OllieRacing yeah! The detail there is great, it’s just making it more realistic but not too easy!

[@OllieRacing]

@@ScottPC 100%. It’s not far off being great, it’s just the snappyness that needs solving

[@ertugrulbae46]

I hate the understeer and snap lock oversteer

[@MagnumLoadedTractor]

Acceleration sensitivity is key to lower oversteer

[@OllieRacing]

💯 Although you can’t adjust the differential in a sport mode race unless tuning is allowed

[@MagnumLoadedTractor]

@@OllieRacing that sucks tho

[@OllieRacing]

@@MagnumLoadedTractor It’s not ideal. I hope they tweak the physics a bit to make it less of an issue

[@MagnumLoadedTractor]

@@OllieRacing from what I heard on KZbin and reddit the car just understeers then bam snap oversteer

[@OllieRacing]

@@MagnumLoadedTractor yeah it’s the snap that’s the problem as it’s very tricky to save it sometimes and comes without warning

[@matthiasgrunwald895]

What do you think about difference in FFB between both games?

[@OllieRacing]

It’s definitely similar to GT sport FFB wise. Jumping from one straight into the next, the differences felt like they were in the handling model and car differences rather than the ffb. I used the same wheel settings for both games when comparing.

[@matthiasgrunwald895]

@@OllieRacing I also did comparison with my T-GT II, in my opinion GT Sport FFB feels more crisp and superior, and GT7 more "washy" with less effects.

[@OllieRacing]

@@matthiasgrunwald895 I understand what you mean. There is no real way of telling if that is inherently the FFB or the physics causing the differences, as in a way they are one and the same - everything different is felt through the wheel. I’m on a Fanatec CSL elite by the way

[@USMCKong0311]

What’s snap oversteer? I’m a casual player so I donno.

[@OllieRacing]

Essentially it’s the rear of the car “snapping” on you, often resulting in a spin. Usually oversteer is a bit more progressive, so you’re able to use it to your advantage to help rotate the car, and if you slide a bit too much you can turn into the slide and correct it. Snap oversteer usually occurs when lifting off the throttle too aggressively mid corner, however on GT7 you get a snap on corner exit too with some cars

[@butapingvin4480]

"Understeer is when you see the tree you are hitting, if you only hear the tree then it was oversteer.“ - Walter Röhrl

[@OllieRacing]

👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼🤣

[@akioasakura3624]

good video!!! i prefer gtsports, not just cuz i think the physics are better, but the game as a whole is also better. the only reason why i got gt7 was bcuz it had the MP4/4 car that Senna and Prost drove in F-1. Aaand it turns out, that in order to get it you have to wait for very specific days, for the car to show up in the "historic car collection" menu. I played it with my cousin for a bit when I got it. Haven't touched it since. And the physics are just weird. Sometimes they feel forced, like it's an "effect" being applied on the car, instead of that "effect" being a natural reaction of the car, road, etc. Especially the braking, it's just so weird and unpredictable. The self steering for drifting (ackshually"powersliding" if ur a nerd) is very bad and weak. I have a G29, and it simply doesn't self center. I'm having to do super violent wrestling with the steering wheel to barely avoid spinning out. I've cranked the FFB force all the way up and that has made no difference at all. And it's not a problem with the G29, bcuz although these wheels are "weak" compared to the real steering forces of a car, in GTSports and Assetto Corsa (especially this one), the self steering force of the G29 works perfectly fine, and you can "drift" as usual. I've been playing those games for years now!! but hey i think that maybe they'll update it as they go. just look at how GTSport started back in 2017. i got it on day 1, and I didn't play it at all until the porsche 930 update that was in 2018 or 2019 i think. so maybe in a few years, GT7 is going to be a fantastic game. hopefully lol also happy new year sir!!

[@OllieRacing]

Since I made this video GT7 has had several physics updates and it has definitely improved. I imagine they’ll continue to update it in the future and the game will continue to evolve and get better over time

[@alexg9155]

Please forgive me for copy pasting this comment I already left on another video, but I would like to hear your opinion on my thoughts. I bought GT7 today, after playing GT Sport for a few months after getting my PS5 (was offput by MTX and other silly stuff and decided to try Sport first). I had a blast with it. I own almost every car, bar a few of those 20 million ones, ranked 123rd on Nurburgring GP Time Trial, won all the daily races multiple time, I really enjoyed it. It's a polished game. Not 100% true to its predecessors (I played all GT games before Sport) but a good game nevertheless. Physics seemed "artificial" or forced at times, but nothing you couldn't keep under control and learn. Proper braking and racing lines were really rewarded, throttle control not so much (mash and go basically) but still enough to create a skillgap. Now GT7... I've played for 4 hours I believe, reached the Tokyo Parade, got all gold licenses except S for now, golded all the cafe crap as well. The physics in GT7 are... Unpredictable to say the least. You understeer if you steer too much (which is realistic, don't get me wrong) but there is no telling when it's too much. Braking is crap, all cars seem to have unevenly worn drum brakes, pulling left and right under braking, exaggerated braking distances. Steering is junk, Lap 1 you make it through a fast corner, next time same inputs you oversteer and explode into the barrier, every car feels like it's on the shittiest 20 years old tyres you could find. Unpredictable, forced, artifical. Weight transfer is exaggerated, cars dance around like they are all pulling a badly loaded 750kg trailer, it's just stupid. TLDR: I think the physics do indeed suck. PS. I almost forgot how utterly idiotic catching a slide looks in this game. You oversteer, turn into the sllide to catch it, slightly lifting the gas if needed, proper technique and all that, and what happens? The tyres are magically sucked into the ground by some mysterious force, suddenly becoming racing hypersofts and the car jerks into an unnatural looking overcorrection. I overcorrected cars IRL many times, but not a single time have I been teleported to the opposite side like GT7 does. Probably related to the exaggerated weight transfer "system". PPS. I just have to... I'm sorry but the disappointment is too much, maybe I'm just shit... Rain is... Artificial at best. On the License test with the E30 I believe it was, IB 5 or 6 whatever. It's just soooooo fake! You slide in the same places everytime, lateral grip is non existent but somehow you can floor it in 3rd, it just doesn't make sense. I'm done for now, sorry for the very long rant...

[@OllieRacing]

So I do completely understand your thoughts and frustrations. I myself spent a lot of time on GT sport, even had a star player ranking at one point, however have found myself not really enjoying the physics on GT7 and now predominantly play ACC on PS5 because of the more realistic physics. Before the recent physics update on GT7, the weight transfer and loss of traction from the rear was definitely off, resulting in a complete loss of control at times. Like I said in the video - I’ve driven an M4 on track and it doesn’t behave much like it did in the game. I do think the recent update has improved this aspect quite significantly, however has added an extra element of understeer. I think the experience does vary car to car though - some do feel quite good, whilst other feel terrible (the Audi R8 Gr.3 for example). The online racing is still the best of any racing game on console IMO in terms of being able to jump in a full race full of players of a similar level at any time of day, and having the GT World Series if you want to take it a bit more seriously. However, I would still rather play ACC simply due to how the car feels to drive, despite it being much more difficult to find a race, and having to faff around with leagues etc.

[@alexg9155]

@@OllieRacing Thank you mate, really appreciate it!

[@OllieRacing]

@@alexg9155 no problem mate!

[@fountedakis]

GT7 has more single player content lol > GT Sport beginner league has more races than the whole world map of GT7

[@Cofimaslisa]

just use 5 instead of 1 and there is no oversteer

[@OllieRacing]

Generally though, you’ll be faster with it lower / off

[@Cofimaslisa]

@@OllieRacing yes, but if you are bad with 1, you can do with 5, i was A in gt sport with 5 and automatic

[@mwdfinch76]

GT7 was just harder. Not anymore. Oh well. It's still a fun game. I'll go back to AC for a challenge.

[@OllieRacing]

Harder doesn’t necessarily mean better. Take the M4 for example, extremely hard to drive on the game, but easy to push on a track in real life (I’ve done it!) - it’s a great car. I haven’t tried the new physics just yet though

[@lv407]

Yeah! Your rubber dinghy racing simulator! 😂

[@farihinhajimohdlisa9017]

0:09 GT 7 have more single player content 🤔. I hear the game is lacking of single player content when compare to gt Sport . Plus Offline mode in GTsport are better than zero purpose gt7 offline mode.

[@OllieRacing]

Referring to the Cafe Menu book, used car dealerships, gt auto, tuning, licenses etc. At release, GT sport had no single player races and the GT League was added as part of an update, with races added over the course of 4 years.

[@thomastrotta7859]

Just uninstalled gt7 and reinstalled gt sport. Easier to make money and you can drift better in gt sport. Gt7 is too snappy, hard to drift, very unrealistic

[@OllieRacing]

It’s a shame they didn’t nail it with GT7. They do continue to update it though so we may have a very different handling game in the future

[@RAY_FILET]

GT7 feels great at times but then seems ridiculously easy. Steer back and forth quickly and youll see what i mean. You can totally mess up your line, but still b able to adjust the car mid turn...Car just moves like jello...game needs to far more simuated,but i think sony realizes its now catering to a mote or less lazy generation, that have little patience for activities that require effort. GT7 makes you feel like a champ when you drive, which I'm not 😆 UPDATE: Not easily winning races or earning gold anymore...or silver lol

[@OllieRacing]

Overall, the players who want an authentic driving experience and use a wheel and pedals are actually the minority of players. The vast majority of game sales are from controller users who simply want a car game on the PS5, so the devs need to create something that they will be able to play and enjoy

[@RAY_FILET]

@@OllieRacing yeah, I think you're right. I had to play it a bit more before I came to a similar conclusion. I think I judged the game based on my own selfish expectations, and overlooked what the designers were trying to accomplish. That being said- GT7 is a masterpiece.

[@lv407]

If you want to talk about physics, play without driving aids please.

[@loganm2766]

I prefer forza Motorsport 7 physics

[@OllieRacing]

I’ve never played Forza as I don’t own an Xbox but would love to give it a go in the future. Looks very good visually

[@ertugrulbae46]

Forza Motorsport physics is still in Arcade territory. It lacks so much sim features

[@loganm2766]

@@ertugrulbae46 Sim features and physics are different. Yes forza does lack that but I prefer it’s handling/physics over GT7

[@lv407]

😂