Great Guitarists In Bad Bands

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[@TimmyTickle]

Reb Beach?

[@ChaiElemental]

The extremely talented Joshua Travis, formerly of Glass Cloud, now plays for fucking Emmure. This still breaks my heart.

[@eeyorehaferbock7870]

Can you do a list of guitarists who are good but whose talents are/were overshadowed by the other members of their respective bands? Alex Lifeson and Greg Tribbett (when he was with Mudvayne) come to mind.

[@martinhroch344]

@@eeyorehaferbock7870 Larry LaLonde from Primus comes to mind first.

[@jimmy3people0]

@@martinhroch344 it's a shame, he'd probably get a lot more of the praise he deserves if he didn't share a band with the immortal god-emperor of bassists

[@davidnissim589]

The other members of Limp Bizkit are actually really talented too. John and Sam are both jazz-trained, and DJ Lethal spent more than a decade in the Brooklyn hip-hop scene before he joined Limp Bizkit (he was also in House of Pain).

[@scramblesthedeathdealer]

Thank you, I was thinking the same thing.

[@0ldSch00l13]

You can't write off Durst either. No, he wasn't talented as a rapper (God, no.) or as a singer, but lets not forget the entire band was his idea. And this was back when rap metal was an almost a completely foreign concept to most people. He was also a good enough judge of talent to put that group together and astute enough to realize the time was perfect for a hip hop/metal fusion. If he'd had half the lyrical talent Zach De La Rocha had, Limp Bizkit would have had even more staying power than Rage had. They probably would have had a better name, too.

[@davidnissim589]

@@0ldSch00l13Wes deserves some of that credit too. Rap metal was mostly an American thing at first, but Wes’s experimental style and weird outfits helped make LB stand out from the other rap metal bands

[@LuisLopez-id4zc]

@@0ldSch00l13 I think he is a good singer and rapper too,he has the flow and good rhymes and even live his voice sounds pretty well

[@Th3Xp3rt]

John 5, he's a super hero in a slew of rotten projects.

[@JV-rx3ov]

At least John has his solo career to let loose on.

[@perryswift9378]

Thats exactly who I was gonna say!

[@evandonaldson4986]

At least with Rob zombie he gets to show his talents off. He was totally repressed playing with Manson. For that matter Ginger Fish as a drummer going from. Manson to zombie as well.

[@piccolobolding5059]

That reminds me that Marilyn Manson's first guitarist was a great guitarist. Portrait of an American Family is a great album but then again, Manson wasn't a bad band then. That all started on Anti-Christ Superstar, when Manson started thinking he was the late 90s version of David Bowie. But by then they already had a different guy on guitar.

[@phillipmangus9946]

You got that right

[@TheCivildecay]

Not only is Wes Borland a great guitarist in Limp Bizkit, the drummer is also really good.

[@JacksonOwex]

He basically said get rid of Fred and Limp Bizkit(maybe change the name too) is a good band, and I have to agree!

[@R0B3RTP4UL50N]

JOHN OTTO, HIT'EM WITH THE MATTHEWS BRIDGE!

[@davidnissim589]

And the bassist and the DJ. Bassist is jazz trained, and the DJ spent a decade in Brooklyn's hip-hop scene before joining LB.

[@TheCivildecay]

@@davidnissim589 there might be a chance that this is band band with great musicians but a horrible taste in music;)

[@davidnissim589]

@@TheCivildecay I call it the Red Hot Chili Peppers effect, where a band has a shitty vocalist, but every other member is wickedly talented

[@jackknight1065]

I feel like Limp Bizkit deserves way more credit. That comeback album kicked ass

[@OGYouTubeEnjoyer]

Hating Limp Bizkit is just a meme. The media hated them (along with NuMetal altogether) Trend losers follow media trends. Same with useless KZbinrs for views.

[@thepro08]

also i cant believe people dont give the drummer any credit..... i mean the drumming was epic.

[@gonzalojose9255]

Bandwagon bitchyness won't ever give that credit

[@JamesBoydstun]

Warrent didn't even like Cherry Pie. It was written as a joke because the record label wanted a poppy song. So they wrote something they thought was horrible and the label loved it.

[@connorlee478]

Reminds me of a video project I did in school with some friends. We intentionally made it as cringey as possible and everyone loved it. Oh well

[@Iyashikei-t4u]

Cherry Pie is such a guilty pleasure song though.

[@ignoblesavage5559]

But they did such a GREAT JOB at making such a shitty song! Making so MANY bad songs...they really picked up that baton handed to them by said record label and ran world-record speed down the shitty music race track. If we're blaming it on, you know, the label. ;)

[@ignoblesavage5559]

@@Iyashikei-t4u only pleasure I get from that song is hearing it and hating it still, reaffirming my original take on it way back when. Or better yet, NOT HEARING IT & hating it.

[@eddiekalista3222]

It’s amazing how many hit singles have the back story of “the label wanted something specific, and I thought it was dumb, so I wrote the shittiest song I could think of”

[@siggy32]

"Eric Clapton in Eric Clapton (solo)" - Ok, that got me good xD

[@sayethvexus8332]

Eric Clapton is like coffee - both are much better with Cream.

[@robbmars1686]

@@sayethvexus8332 agreed

[@jasonbrentongore]

@@sayethvexus8332 😝

[@Squirrelconga]

@@sayethvexus8332 or, with a little Blind Faith

[@KarklinPumpkin]

Clapton pays very good blues. Does he write good songs? To some blues enthusiasts, he'll no. He tried his hand at the pop music world after cream but settled back into place eventually. The b b king album was good blues. He's restrained, so he's allowed to hang with the blues purists. But he wrote some cheese pop banana rock for sure.

[@valentino2885]

Mick Mars; I don't think Motley Crüe is a bad band but it's clear how much he "carries", his live playing is amazing as well.

[@larshansson1953]

Yeah, I was going to say Mick too but in Motleys heyday even Vince was good.

[@TheHappySpaceman]

@@larshansson1953 Plus Nikki Sixx did 90% of the songwriting, and IMO a lot of the Crüe's stuff still holds up really well, particularly from the first two albums. So while Mick is really talented, the other members weren't slouching either, regardless of whether people like or dislike their kind of music.

[@Brandonmtlhd]

I don't think Motley Crue started out being a bad band. Their first 2 albums were really good. Then though, they became more interested in becoming the next big thing on MTV. Now, they are pretty much a joke. Mars you can't deny but Tommy Lee is also a really good drummer, even if you don't really hear it much on the albums.

[@TheHappySpaceman]

@@Brandonmtlhd Their 2008 offering _Saints of Los Angeles_ was surprisingly good. I wouldn't call them a joke, although personally I've also never understood the hate toward anything and everything glam metal, so IDK.

[@larshansson1953]

@@Brandonmtlhd I actually like their albums up to 1994's self-titled one. After that though, not so much.

[@ArtemyMusha]

The best thing about Creed is that it set Mark up with enough clout for his other bands, which I collectively refer to as "Tremonti Python's Flying Circus".

[@Replicaate]

God how I wish I could slap a gold medal on a youtube comment like on Reddit.

[@Dangeresque300]

Take my like you magnificent bastard.

[@davidslaughter8806]

Tremonti's solo stuff is pretty great

[@piccolobolding5059]

You are a goddamn genius, boss! If I had a reason to talk about Mark Tremonti I would definitely say that. I'd give you full credit as the inventor though.

[@bobthebear1246]

I see what you did there.

[@markymark5352]

You cannot call Limp Bizkit terrible. Fred Durst headed that band better than anyone else ever could. He is the heart and soul. Wes is a fantastic guitarist and they fit together and it works. That's what matters. It's like people who say Anthony Kiedus can't sing. But his voice is the heart and soul of RHCP and can't be replaced. Significant other by limp bizkit was one of the biggest albums of my era. it was incredible. So was Human Clay.

[@HuntingNPCBOTclowns]

Limp Bizkit is terrible

[@markh1011]

I agree marky mark. Not saying he's an amazing vocalist but without Durst there would have been no Limp Bizkit. Listening to the new CD is a reminder of how important Durst is to the band.

[@SonofSethoitae]

Yeah, no, I definitely can call Limp Birkin terrible

[@tkdtrickster2]

fred is the heart, but wes is definitely the soul

[@benmorris118]

Durst and kiedis are both the worst part of their respective bands. It's true that without them, they would have been different bands, and what a shame they werent

[@daveminion6209]

huge fan of Wes Borland, true genius and talent, Wes has always played to his "own drummer " , and always been a consistent performer and historical riffs.

[@justinsundstrom8976]

Like him or not, Borland is indeed a great riffster.

[@RockedNet]

He's earned that title.

[@KAlexanderTheGreat]

Oh I hate LB, but Borland... that man has my respect

[@jeanpaulmichell7243]

Glad someone said it. It's really too bad Mr Durst's repulsive attitude brought the rest of the band down with him.

[@chestersmith2886]

Agreed

[@punkindonutguy]

I would only listen to the song Rearranged just for Wes Borland's guitar work.

[@philipb3030]

The bassist in limp bizkit is awesome especially for that era.

[@blasphemy133]

He's super underrated. Honestly those three guys (Wes, Rivers and Otto) are a perfect match stylistically.

[@diegomazzaron9191]

@@blasphemy133 i agree 👍

[@43captrexkramer]

If your gonna talk bassist I'd have to say Fieldy, Korn is fuckin' awful. But Fieldy sound is earth shaking with good lines.

[@lounasty69]

@@43captrexkramer ur opinion

[@David_Theisen]

I STILL LIKE LIMP BIZKIT!! They are 50X greater than any of the newer wannabe rock groups are!!! Kings of Leon?? Neon Trees? The new version of Green Day??? LOL Imagine Dragons?? Give me a break!! I’d rather rock out to the Nookie over that shit!! At least Bizkit was vulgar that they muted or bleeped when they swore! And they still swear!! They never cleaned themselves up like the rest of music after the attacks! Everything else got watered down! System of a Down never watered their shit down either and the same with Korn!!

[@BlinkPS2]

Honestly, all the musicians behind Durst deserved better. Sam Rivers, Wes Borland, and John Otto should have done the Alter Bridge thing at least 15 years ago.

[@WarMonkeyPlays]

Beat me to this. Limp Bizkit had a bad front man/vocalist. Limp Bizkit was mostly fantastic otherwise. God, those fucking bass lines!

[@vapordreams983]

Counterfeit is awesome. Best bassline in nu metal. So much talent wasted with they went mainstream.

[@kitoyobeni1]

Disagree. Odds are, without the spectacle of Fred Durst in front, those guys may never have even gotten a record deal. How many people would even know of Black Light Burns if not for Limp? While I think their material jumped the shark after the first 2 albums, Limp was very much a band of their time and gets far too much hate. You know you liked them back in the day everyone, stop with the self loathing lol...

[@BlinkPS2]

@@kitoyobeni1 Honestly, I’ll admit, I am a Limp Bizkit fan, but I’m just saying, if the musicians did a thing in a similar way that Alter Bridge was formed, they would have got more props from the Limp haters. They all had talents that could have taken them to many places

[@l.g_splitz3637]

@@kitoyobeni1 dude you liked them. We didn't

[@CT68]

Back in the day when people wrote and read blogs, someone said the same thing about Wes Borland, and Wes actually emailed the guy back, and said that he was wrong. He said that Fred was an essential part of the Limp Bizkit sound, and that it just didn't work without Durst. This was after Wes had done a bunch of solo/side projects, so I'm just guessing that he has tried to do the "Limp Bizkit, but without Fred Durst" thing. It's the same with DLR and Van Halen, Van Hagar was honestly good, but it just wasn't the same without DLR.

[@northpaul3276]

People who can't see this are truly blind. I mean just watch them on woodstook and realise who made it all click (its Durst)

[@yaboi2500]

Fred is a god awful vocalist, but Borland is absolutely right. Without him, Limp Bizkit just wouldn’t be the same. If they had better lyrics, I’d imagine that people would see his vocals as more of a gimmick rather than something to mock.

[@SophiaAphrodite]

VAn Hagar was a better band than Van Halen. Van Halen had a great sound but was not a great band. It is why They made the most money with Hagar. Better vibe all around and a lot more fun than dramatic.

[@CT68]

@@SophiaAphrodite Well, according to Sammy Hagar, when he first joined Van Halen, their contract with the record company sucked. He helped re-negotiate it and they made a bit more money.

[@bryanbarwick5351]

Van Halen is definitely much better with David Lee Roth. DLR has a very distinct voice whereas Sammy Hagar, while not a bad vocalist at all, just sounds generic.

[@JacobRobergeQC]

For me, easily James Valentine in Maroon 5. They've never been a big guitar-centric band, but for like 10 years now, it's rare you ever hear guitar in their songs. And the dude is an amazing guitar player that even has a signature guitar model with MusicMan

[@abohsukampret]

Maroon 5 is basically Adam Levine Band, lol. I wonder why he kept adding new members to the band when they add almost nothing to the complexity of their musical arrangements.

[@TonysMusic1974]

@@abohsukampret They've only added two people since 2000, so I'm not sure who you are referring to.

[@armandomorales3809]

I love the riffs he played on songs about Jane. Especially not coming home!

[@thatsjuancooldude9409]

@@armandomorales3809 I also liked the solo in harder to breathe

[@fredericm9465]

I wouldn't call them a bad band

[@kolbykauffman4180]

I got to meet Mushok through their manager (in the mid-00's, there was an A&R guy who managed PR for Staind, Cold, Jimmy's Chicken Shack, and a few others; he was showing me the ropes when I put out an EP in '09), and while Aaron refused to talk to me, Mike was ecstatic! We talked about musical influences, new bands we loved at the time, like Karnivool and Fair to Midland and he was just so excited. Like a puppy. Showed me his gear and gave cool anecdotal stories behind certain guitars he had and why he was such a die-hard fan of Dean Markely strings. I treasure that day a lot. He took time out of his day to enlighten some dumb 19 year old from PA. And I took that with me when I started touring soon after.

[@RockedNet]

I can see that. He seems like he loves the craft.

[@ThePhoenixw68]

Fair to Midland..criminally underrated fusion prog band. They even still putting out new music?

[@kolbykauffman4180]

Definitely a pretty cool guy. He's always struck me as just a dude who knows he has a really cool job and really basks in it. And RIGHT??? Fair to Midland were insultingly underrated. And it is a shame that we only got a few EP's and two LP's out of them before they split. Darroh ended up getting married and started a family. The reality was that they were as broke as when they started and they were struggling to keep the band together, let alone get secure touring schedules down. It really sucks that they never got the recognition they deserved, even with Serj Tankian's help. Darroh released some solo material on Bandcamp and Myspace but after that, FtM kinda just ended, around 2013 officially. Got to see them one time with Twelve Foot Ninja and that was it. Such an inspiring musical act.

[@chrisslaughter-mudsliide7050]

@@kolbykauffman4180 Omg im so fucking happy someone mentioned Fair to Midland. SUCH A GREAT BAND, so fucking underrated. I like to think Nothing More is the modern day equivalent, sort of. I wish FtM would release new stuff, but so be it.

[@jasonweddington3782]

wow, fair to midland. love them, saw them quite a few times when they were just playing local shows at the curtain club in Dallas... wish they wouldve gotten bigger.

[@quentinbringthenumetalchil5125]

Knew Wes Borland would be on a list like this.

[@RockedNet]

Sooooo many people suggested him.

[@lumorowenamooncaller9811]

Haven't watched the video yet. Guaranteed Wes is number 1

[@kushalbhattacharjee2252]

That’s a no brainier

[@stejones5023]

I will die on the hill that all the guys in lb were amazing bar Fred...I mean he was a great front man but shit "singer"

[@n1nj4l1nk]

I mean, he is the thumbnail.

[@ArmageddonisUnleashe]

I personally actually like what I've heard of this band, but there are a lot of people who are...less than fond of the hair metal band Extreme. Even with that, however, Nuno Bettencourt is an amazing guitarist. His solos on both "Play With Me" and "More than Words" are fantastic, and the man warmed up for concerts by playing Flight of the Bumblebee. THAT WAS HIS WARMUP.

[@larshansson1953]

Extreme is good though.

[@fuzzywarble]

Extreme is awesome and they are NOT hair metal. Sounds like you are not familiar with them

[@TheDude044]

Nuno is an absolute monster on guitar. Unfortunately he got over shadowed the at tail end of the 80's rock guitar era.

[@greenghost-xi5jp]

@@fuzzywarble ha correct they were not even cool enough to b considered that. Lmao they were the adult contemporary ie vhi hair metal for the over 35 crowd back in 88. Not bashing anyone over 35 as i am myself im just saying they were for the people who liked R.E.M (everybody hurts) and white snake. Not saying those bands didnt have a song or two that was alright but as a whole they made music for a different crowd (mostly minivan driving moms) they didnt make music for people who like searing riffs and fast building solo driven songs. They made overly polished serious (hard rock songs) which is funny as they were more soft rock if you looked unbiased at there entire song lists.

[@neilweir-smith8228]

The thing that makes me most sad about Extreme is that a guitarist as good as Nuno has More Than Words as their biggest seller. I mean it is a decent song, Nuno is just way better than that and as a guitarist I find it sad.

[@jaydenspencemusic]

Not that they’re a bad band, but John Frusciante in RHCP is definitely way more underrated than he ever should be. Everyone talks about Flea, because he’s a great bassist, but my man John’s got it going on

[@SophiaAphrodite]

Agreed, he is definitely an under appreciated guitarist.

[@francotamayo94]

(Long text) Really? Most people I know talk more about Frusciante than any other member, even in early 2000s Flea thought Frusciante was overshadowing him, he even tried to leave the band (but at the end John did) and even in the Josh era, everyone just ask to bring back Frusciante and many didn’t accept Josh. However I understand why, Frusciante is a killing machine with his guitar. I don’t think he is underrated as most RHCP fans are very aware of his guitar, composition and backing vocals skills, some of them even became toxic towards Josh. Well at the end Frusciante is back, however I feel kinda bad for Josh because even he was a great guitarist he had to fill some huge shoes.

[@MvsG18]

This is often said by people who don't know about the theme at all, John isn't underrated, in fact he's often called and the number one contender for the title of Jimmy Hendrix of our era, so it doesn't apply.

[@yogamabayu]

Underrated maybe because the man doesn't shredding

[@I_like_turtles_67]

Some of his riffs are stupid technical to play.

[@LydianMelody]

Oz Fox was one of my guitar teachers. One memory that stuck with me is going to an open mic at a bar in Claremont and while my dad was talking trash about people, Oz was cheering on and encouraging *everyone* no matter their skill level. Oz is a monster player, great teacher, and most importantly an amazing human.

[@hellonurd8957]

Mark Tremonti deserves more love.

[@dclong693]

I couldn't agree more. Tremonti is a phenom. He may not be the Goat but he has earned his place at the table

[@Logan912]

Even though I shamelessly like Creed, he sadly never got much of a chance to shine, and when he did it was always an album song.

[@VJAllison1974]

@@Logan912 Same about liking Creed, and agreed that Tremonti didn't get much of a chance to shine. He's one of the best of the best in my opinion.

[@dclong693]

I have to just take a stand, I like em. Stapp and all. Mark is the reason I found D5 tuning and never looked back. Sure Stapp could be borderline cheesy at times but as a whole they cant be ignored. Least they aren't Niklbk

[@Firebrand1967]

@@Logan912 No shame in liking Creed's music.

[@Dominic-Noble]

Why are so many guitar players so scary looking? :O

[@RockedNet]

It's like the Nazgul. The scarier you look, the more powerful you are.

[@DeathMachineJoe]

A lot of metal guitarists are kinda like that to be honest

[@swxtchblade7707]

@@RockedNet tim henson has entered the chat 😂

[@NoBody-tf7ib]

Don’t diss my boy Martin Friedman like that.

[@deadheadliving]

@@swxtchblade7707 lol...that babe sure is unmetal af!

[@lena7623]

Man, some of these instances look like toxic relationships. You just want to grab those guitarists and shake them while screaming, "YOU CAN DO BETTER!"

[@DeannaJacksonDJsDelectables]

I know, right??

[@mblund8711]

Yep it's almost seems like the shitty front man are holding them back from their true potential so they don't get upstaged by them.

[@samsonslmpson1986]

To be fair, Wes's side projects where he had full creative control were pretty mundane. For some reason LB brought out the best in him IMO.

[@ideitbawxproductions1880]

🎶 he's the son of man and God and li-onnnn... he's the one that keeps the good from dy-onnnn... we've seen the rest, and he is the best he's the best and his name is Duke Li-onnnn!!🎶

[@samsonslmpson1986]

@@ideitbawxproductions1880 I swear in my original post, I said with the exception of Duke lion lol. Jus didn't think anyone would get the joke

[@angelalmaguer311]

Ya know what…I’d say the same thing about John Frusciante of RHCP (still both him and Wes are my favorite modern guitarists).

[@davidnissim589]

I think because he was the lead singer in most of those projects, so he wasn't able to focus on the guitars as much

[@TorqueKMA]

Vito Bratta. He was the sound of White Lion's hits, and the band came to a screeching halt when he left. I would have loved to see him stand next to EVH and fretboard tap their hearts out.

[@kwantoon]

Vito was one of the most original guitarists to ever play. Although I like White Lion, Vito was the insanely talented one in that band. It's a crying shame that he stepped away from music

[@Searchin4tone]

Zakk Wylde loves Vito. Enough said lol

[@Nuclearzoo1]

Vito Bratta actually disappeared from the music biz.

[@lyleswann6296]

Agreed on Vito. Always loved the guitar work of White Lion but the vocals always made me cringe.

[@andybovee827]

Hell yeah!!

[@karahitto]

The irony of Wes is that he has a lot of sideprojects.... but his tastiest riffs are in LB.

[@ianwebb8066]

Bull his best work is BigDumb Face

[@karahitto]

@@ianwebb8066 b e s t r i f f s a r e i n L B

[@一本のうんち]

So true.

[@SophiaAphrodite]

Which means he should not be on this list. If his best work was in his worst band means he was not better than that band.

[@Skibble838]

Eat the Day is his best work

[@joshhale9355]

Jacky Vincent when he was in Falling In Reverse. Dude’s got an insanely high musical IQ and he was wasted in that band

[@paulfromjupiter]

Saw him live solo when he opened for Nita Strauss and Angel Vivaldi. Just him up on stage playing to backing tracks. Even in that situation, I was impressed.

[@Jakew9810]

He's great but has no feeling In his playing, he's all technical and speed but no soul

[@Cthulu1985]

I just commented that. You beat me to it, but I´m glad Jacky´s getting more VERY deserved love.

[@tomatobhutan7164]

To be fair, an earthworm daintily laid across the strings of a guitar would have its talent wasted in Falling In Reverse.

[@knotletis]

I can’t not picture “IM JACKY FUCKIN V” when I read that I’m sorry

[@wesleytrott6397]

John Mayer in John Mayer 2001. You know, back when "Your Body is a Wonderland" was playing on like every radio station. When he first came out, I dismissed him as a frat boy who learned how to play guitar to get laid. But then I saw him on the Chappelle Show playing some legit blues and was like, "Wait, what?" Now I have mad respect for the guy.

[@David_Theisen]

I love how he does Gravity and the Father Daughter song

[@eddiekalista3222]

John is insanely talented. He also hates playing Wonderland, and there’s a few videos of him live, where he says something to the effect of “look, I have to play this song. Let’s get it over with so we can go back to having fun”

[@jamesdavison2927]

CANNNNNNNNNNNOT STANNNNNNNNNND JOHN MAYER altho hes got more guitar talent in his pinky finger than i will ever dream of

[@ideitbawxproductions1880]

never been much of a fan of his songwriting (I was the same as you with Wonderland, I still hate that song), but I'd be lying if I said he has no chops. he's like Rik Emmett from Triumph: amazing guitarist who just wants to write cheesy garbage

[@Meatball2022]

He’s known as the singer songwriter type, but he’s an amazing guitarist.

[@paulpyles6650]

In all fairness… Warrant hated making the “Cherry Pie” song. Record company refused to release the album originally titled “Uncle Toms Cabin” because they didn’t hear a hit. So Jani Lane sat down and busted out the “Cherry Pie” single. Great singer, great band, stifled by the record company.

[@streak9381]

Such a shame that that's what they were most known for.

[@tomservo5347]

I think it ended up killing him because he put a lot into 'Uncle Tom's Cabin' and felt it was his best-only to have it all blown over by 'Cherry Pie' and turning into the lightning rod for all things grunge hated.

[@cjc2611]

And nobody is going to mention Jeff Loomis wasting away in Arch Enemy

[@zander3100]

All of arch enemy are wasting themselves out in exchange for crazy racks since gossow joined. And to think Ammott was one of the brains behind genre-landmark Carcass in the early 90s.

[@lichkrieg4898]

I mean arch enemy is a great starter band for most people because they're all talented and the songs are simple.

[@cjc2611]

@@lichkrieg4898 yeah I listened to them for like half a day when I started discovering bands. I dont understand how they still have a following. They're so blah. The one good part of that band left many years ago.

[@cjc2611]

@@lichkrieg4898 I'm also just a super jaded Nevermore fan.

[@lichkrieg4898]

@@cjc2611 I feel you. these are the real issues.

[@bensappliancesandjunk]

Now do one for bassists because you know #1 is going to be Ryan Martine of Mudvayne.

[@IllusionaryFuneral]

Br br DENG

[@bigempty9975]

Mudvayne’s first album is fucking fantastic though.

[@19DrumFreak89]

The whole band is very talented. Matt is an amazing drummer as well

[@ObsidianLife]

Mudvayne's first 3 records are great! The last two are still good by Chad (Singer) was clearly running out of steam. Greg was a great song writer and Matt is an amazing drummer...Ryan is obviously a beast. If you don't think tracks like "Death Blooms", "Mercy/Severity", "Not Falling" or even their hits like "Happy" aren't great tracks its because you have bad taste.

[@tehdogefather6546]

Mudvayne is a great band and unlike most metal bands you can actually hear the bassist.

[@LexDicksonEverything]

'Boiler' is easily one of the best riffs of the nu-metal era.

[@nicproctor4818]

I've always felt that C.C. DeVille's talent was squandered both by his band....and himself.

[@EricHonaker]

Randy Rhoads was originally in Quiet Riot. They're not Creed bad, but it was sort of like Pagianinni playing in your high school concert band.

[@johnstrika9170]

Ridiculous comment because Carlos Cavazo was just as good as Rhodes and Rudy Sarzo and Frankie Banali were beasts(check out Banali's work with WASP on the Headless Children)

[@Heropsychodream]

I feel that noize and it rocks my boys.

[@hieinh]

yeah and you listen to the live shows. No one is holding back Randy Rhoads

[@DeadRingerMachine]

@@johnstrika9170 "Carlos Cavazo was just as good as Rhodes" First of all you don't know how to spell the man's name. Second, this comment takes you out of serious consideration in this discussion - or any musical discussion for that matter.

[@sirkayda7205]

Creed were good.

[@davidnissim589]

Chris Linck's presence in Attila is like Eddie Van Halen jamming with a bunch of high schoolers

[@DanielDova]

"Pauk Gilbert. Mr Big is ok, but not like amazing." Looks like someone only listen to 'To be with You' and 'Just Take My Heart'

[@marctreglown2503]

Billy Sheehan is an amazing bass player.

[@princeofpcos9804]

It is pretty poppy, especially when put side by side to Jason Becker and Marty Friedman's Cacophony that was out there.

[@biffschlaffley7847]

Long before Mr.Big,Paul was really tearing it up in Racer X.

[@kwantoon]

Mr Big was light years ahead of the most of those bands of that era in terms of talent. While I'm at it, Winger was another phenomenal band that got caught up in the crap of that era. Those two bands had top notch talent, like em or not there's no denying that.

[@theopinson3851]

Consider how important a guitarist Gilbert is (and Sheehan) and weigh that against the quality of Mr Big. It just doesn’t add up. They’re fine…but those two are among THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE WORLD, lol. It’s criminal!

[@masterknife8423]

Wes Borland should've definitely got more recognition. Given how nutty and creative his outfits and makeup are, he should've joined Primus or done a solo album with Les Claypool

[@Spthomas47]

I'd totally listen to a Claypool/Borland project.

[@tomgreenfan]

He would've been great in limp bizkit

[@Spthomas47]

@@tomgreenfan no, no he wouldn't have. What, because he was on a hidden track? lmao But... Given his novella, South Of The Pump House, he'd have been great in The Fanatic or The Education Of Charlie Banks.

[@tomgreenfan]

@@Spthomas47 three dollar bill yall is fire af

[@Spthomas47]

@@tomgreenfan agreed. But let's not forget that your "namesake" was 25 when that shit dropped. His lyrics are whinier than most emo-core and always put blame on others.

[@Noah-dq9bd]

Huge respect for the Deafhaven record in the back

[@RockedNet]

It's GREAT on vinyl!

[@garycoates4987]

Warren Demartini back in the hair metal days,, actually made RATT stand out and above other bands

[@michaelcallaghan3070]

Absolutely, Gary... A fantastic guitarist . 👍😎

[@JayBigDadyCy]

Dude is absurdly underrated. Rick Beato openes my eyes to that fact. Absolute monster.

[@danachappell9783]

Yep. Without him, they’re another middle of the road band with a slightly interesting singer.

[@h.9089]

If you put a guitarist like Wes Borland in to a band like Linkin Park, that band wouldve been unstoppable.

[@villiannewyork]

Absolutely. Wes Borlands gutair work paired with Chester Benningtons vocals alone would've been a powerhouse.

[@flibbidyx2]

The entire hair metal genre was full of crappy bands with talented guitarists.

[@spd7693]

Not really. Bon Jovi are still quite good. Well, were great until 10 years ago, John is old now and has lost his voice. But they were one of the greatest hair metal bands. Def Leppard also were quite good. Twisted Sister not that much, but still had some talent and we'll never forget what Dee Snyder did for the music at all. Although Eddie Ojeda is truly the band's selling point. Some hair metal bands also managed to adapt to some new times to make themselves stand out like Pantera did after replacing Terry Glaze with Phil Anselmo. Hair Metal wasn't that bad. It just... Wasn't metal. I'll always refer to this stage as Hard Glam Rock.

[@SophiaAphrodite]

@@spd7693 Right but the general argument stands up to scrutiny. That was the generation of guitarists on the heels of the sounds pioneered by Eddie Van Halen. It was a blossoming of skilled shredding and great riffs at a time where that kind of skill was bound to blues. A large portion of that genre was known for 2 things: trained vocalists and/or great lead guitarist. It was a sea of garbage with small islands of talent in that genre.

[@freeparking301]

I’m not a fan of Buckcherry by any means but “Lit Up” kicks some serious ass. When I first heard that single on the radio and that slide guitar playing I thought this band could be around making great music for years. Damn I was way wrong about that.

[@dclong693]

Totally agree. Is it just me or does it look like you could catch a few jumping crotch crickets from Josh Todd if you were to get too close to him. Dude looks like the Herp Club for Men president

[@john0691]

More of a indie rock fan but lit up just screams great tune

[@darksu6947]

Buck Cherry has been around for a long time, and they're still around now......I don't see how but it's true lol

[@joelhorton5895]

You could get hepatitis just listening to it

[@zls9890]

"Lit Up" is nothing more than a ripoff of KISS' "Shock Me"

[@stevenbaksh5545]

Here is a video idea bad musicians in good bands

[@RockedNet]

Do you have any suggestions?

[@stevenbaksh5545]

@@RockedNet definitely Lars Ulrich after the 80s

[@jonaha.k.ashazam2535]

Might be controversial but James “J.Y” Young from Styx. Can certainly play the guitar but his singing is so goofy and can’t really be taken seriously. I would say Dennis Deyoung too but he has since left the band in 1999.

[@soxandbears]

my brother-in-law gave me the the hardest truth one day - great guitarists are a dime a dozen. a harder list would be bad guitarists in otherwise good bands

[@toddmichaels42]

CC DeVille

[@toddmichaels42]

CC DeVille

[@steviea427]

So true. There is always a better player in the room. The money in the music business is in publishing.

[@thewestcoastmexican]

Synister Gates from Avenged sevenfold. He doesn't suck at all. But the excess speed run solos feel underwhelming at times.

[@Oh_I_Will]

Too hard to measure from Studio recordings. If a said guitarist can’t get it right…just bring someone in who will ghost play on the album

[@H3llboundHero]

Not that Bon Jovi is an awful band, but Sambora absolutely carried that band

[@splinter8353]

David Bryan is one of the most talented musicians ever, the dude writes musicals so although Richie is a beast of a guitarist David is definitely on the same level as him, plus Jon Bon Jovi is a fantastic song writer but he does stuggles without Richie, they suck since he left

[@ElectromagneDikk]

And now it's happening again with Phil x hahahahahaha

[@splinter8353]

@@ElectromagneDikk I seen them 2 years ago and wasn't impressed with Phil X, he's a cover band musician and a bit of a poser to be honest.

[@craighenry2351]

They are also massively overrated.

[@davidnissim589]

@@splinter8353 plus he can't do the talkbox like Sambora could

[@sethmaki1333]

Michael Angelo Batio and Nitro ought to be on this list.

[@steveblais3583]

100%!

[@davidnissim589]

Ryan Peake from Nickelback. I know not everyone likes them, but Ryan's playing is amazing. Heavy riffs, bluesy solos, occasional shredding, he can do it all.

[@MikeyTheCartoon]

I agree. To be honest, all the members can play really well. Their early albums and live shows show that they can play some great stuff. I wish they showed more of their abilities on later albums cuz to know they have that skill but don’t really show off it is a bummer.

[@davidnissim589]

I love the raw grungey energy of their early stuff, it's a shame they didn't keep that sound@@MikeyTheCartoon

[@robertillidge6208]

John Otto and Sam Rivers were also really solid musicians in their own right as well.

[@metalboy27]

John Otto! Take 'em to the Matthews bridge!

[@David_Theisen]

@@metalboy27 Cuz You don’t don’t give a fuck about me and my generation!!!

[@AaronPharaoh]

Tremonti is one of my favorite guitarists however people often get Creed wrong. Stapp is obviously the weakest link but not because he's a bad singer. I'd say he's an above average rock singer, he just has a cheesy wacky personality and often cheesy lyrics. However those wet blanket ballads that Creed sometimes has are written by Tremonti. He wrote all the music in that band. Stapp does the lyrics and Tremonti does the music, so Mark is half to blame for the sometimes cheesy sound of the band. Even Alterbridge still has some wet blanket ballads but Myles Kennedy seems better on the delivery. Obviously Mark is a top notch musician along with Scott Phillips and Brian Marshall. Alterbridge is a power house and those guys skill is unquestionable.

[@eddiekalista3222]

Yeah, Creed gets some unfair static. I think what makes it worse is that if Stapp could have had some subtlety and wit in his lyrics, or maybe if he wrote something other than “god gives me the power to stand in front of industrial workshop fans”, they wouldn’t be hated on as much. Stapp is a 1 trick pony in his lyrics, and by Weathered, everyone was wise to it. You can even take any of their songs in isolation, and it’s a solid B for music and vocal talent, and the lyrics are a little cheesy, but not terrible. But when the lyrics of every song feel like a kid changing the wording of last years essay, it really ruins the facade.

[@scottricci5063]

Stapp's lyrics aren't cheesy, they come from a place inside of his personal affects like so many other singers; Layne Staley, Chris Cornell and Aaron Lewis. A brilliant and phenomenal singer who has worked with the Metal genre's top guitarists who writes some of the most cheesiest generic lyrics is Tim Owens. Ripper is the best out there vocally, including his predecessor in Judas Priest, but not so much lyrically. But he sells it well with his abilities. My point being can't judge books by their covers, literally!🤘👹🤘

[@craighenry2351]

Stapp was not a weak link based on talent. Now, his personality and mental state did cause issues, but I say this today. I think he wrote some phenomenal lyrics and his future problems didn’t change that. They are still phenomenal. I am happy for the rest of Creed, though. They moved on and did well.

[@bigrig4385]

I don't know why anybody has a problem with ballads, everybody has written one. Some are amazing, some stink. I think Creed and Staind have above average ballads. Aaron Lewis is a better lyricist for sure.

[@eddiebranden1]

Andy Timmons of Danger Danger. Total by the numbers hair metal, but Andy is an absolutely brilliant player. Steve Vai is one of his biggest fans.

[@dsmith9626]

Andy's Ear-X-Tasy debut instrumental guitar album is a must-have to anyone who loves outstanding instrumental guitar. He's one of the most melodic guitarists on the planet . Think Neal Schon with a fraction of the acclaim but all of the talent and melodic sensibilities.

[@infelicitas]

I am surprised to have seen this xD Andy Timmons is Phenomenal

[@DSchea]

That's my favorite guitarist, well... dude in general. His music gets under my skin and hes such a humble guy.

[@georgesawtooth]

Danger Danger was a great band. Timmins is an amazing guitarist.

[@Brandonmtlhd]

It's funny how you mentioned 80s hair bands but left out Reb Beach (Winger).

[@sean67854]

Probably because no one really considers them a bad band.

[@Brandonmtlhd]

@@sean67854 I haven't met anyone that thought they were a good band.

[@sean67854]

@@Brandonmtlhd you have now. Nice to meet you. 😁

[@diegomazzaron9191]

I agree Winger are a good band and Reb Beach is a great guitarist 🤘

[@princeofpcos9804]

Very underrated band. Videos all unwatchable today, though. Haha. They all had talent, chopped up the beat, etc. Go listen to 17 again with a musical mind.

[@SlyHikari03]

Wes Borland is underrated. So is Mark Tremanti. Both are my favorite guitarists and influenced most of my most used techniques.

[@RockedNet]

Can't argue.

[@mdrstudios7067]

@@RockedNet Carlos Santana and Mark Tremonti were my top two guitarists from my childhood.

[@SlyHikari03]

@@mdrstudios7067 same

[@mdrstudios7067]

@@SlyHikari03 Neat.

[@thunderstruck560]

Nuno Bettencourt was so much better than everyone else in Extreme. And the songs they let him just cut loose on shred like crazy. Extreme should have been the next Van Halen, but then uhhhh. More than words....

[@IvyLeather13]

The solo for "Get The Funk Out" is just exceptional.

[@kensurrency2564]

They just needed another singer. Pat and Paul were awesome. Keepin it honest.

[@jwaller1327]

Pat Badger, the bassist, is criminally underrated.

[@mooknick242]

eddie deserved better than that goofdick Roth

[@raystinger6261]

Extreme has some great songs and some terrible songs. I think their problem is the same one as Mr. Big - they started a hard rock band when, at the time, hard rock was going out of fashion.

[@michaelmoore8680]

Mark Tremonti was the public face and sound of Paul Reed Smith Guitars back in the day, and probably did just as much for that company as he did for Creed.

[@Skunginoggin345]

But didn't Carlos Santana play a PRS, too around the same time?

[@IJIIKY9192]

@Skunginoggin345 yeah. Santana has been playing them since the 80s, but Tremonti had the first single cut, and played (compared to Santana) much heavier riff based guitar

[@morgancorey982]

Prince… Though it is not really that his band was bad, just that he almost never let himself go, however, when he did (such as the end of “Let’s Go Crazy”), he ripped your freaking head off!

[@geraldfriend256]

Batdance..great crazy solo in a meh( for Prince) song.

[@sinocte]

I never really appreciated Prince as a guitar player until I saw the George Harrison tribute where he absolutely kills it on While My Guitar Gently Weeps, while on a stage full of damn good musicians.

[@morgancorey982]

@@sinocte He is a monster, albeit a sneaky one. He almost never showcased is guitar playing, which was a real shame, as he was an astounding player. I always liked him as a guitarist, I just wish he would have given himself more room to let others know he had chops.

[@MeatisMagic256]

While not the worst band, Reb Beach is miles beyond the rest of Winger.

[@jdh21403]

I can never defend Chris Linck because even outside Attila he still plays alongside groomers, he has a “supergroup” with confirmed child groomer Tyler Carter

[@Funnivids100]

Also multiple interviews where he says the N word

[@corylim7351]

Good lord.

[@patricklauer4452]

@@Funnivids100 yikes

[@snazzrin.7185]

@@Funnivids100 i wonder if he'll predict when the day of reckoning will come

[@betts12220]

I heard about the accusations, but has that case been resolved?

[@mikethegrunty5968]

Mark Tremonti doesn’t get enough credit for his guitar work. I think my fav example is the main riff in pitty for a dime off my own prison. It is such a pretty riff

[@RockedNet]

Killer deep cut track on their debut.

[@mikethegrunty5968]

@@RockedNet it really is. I love that tune

[@VJAllison1974]

@@RockedNet Understatement. Tremonti is a bloody genius.

[@forsakenpainbal]

I really liked Limp Bizkit, Staind, and Nickelback. There, I said it.

[@DanielRodriguez-eh1qd]

While I don’t like Aaron’s political side I wouldn’t say he sucks at all. I was very surprised to see him on this list. The guy can sing and his lyrics aren’t bad.

[@forsakenpainbal]

@@DanielRodriguez-eh1qd I agree 100%

[@MajesticDemonLord]

We can't be Friends.... I'm kidding...

[@Mrsambooki]

Well admitting you have a problem is the first step bud.

[@manifestationsofasort]

@RedStrickGamingRSG This reply made me cackle

[@siltstrider6812]

say what you want about Durst. how can you deny, he knew/knows how to lead a crowd. Woodstock 99.

[@David_Theisen]

He wasn’t the actual reason why the crowd started the riots and fires!! If I remember right they ran out of water or bottled water and the people were parched and they started going nuts

[@wolvie1973]

Indeed, but when he was asked to hold the music and try to ca'lm down the crowd it's100% his fault if he chose to unleash a ton of insults on the guy who asked and proceed to play Break Stuff.

[@craighenry2351]

I saw that footage and thought any song that started a riot (Break Stuff) has to be pretty good.

[@ramofusang390]

While I am a Staind fan I agree Mike Mushok is held back by Aaron and his controlling nature.

[@justinmorey8340]

He's in Saint Asonia now though

[@jessedeleon4123]

@@justinmorey8340 and Adam Gontier gives everyone the musical freedom they want! It’s not all Adam they put out some really good stuff, I haven’t heard Mike have riffs like that since the early days of Staind

[@toyotaecw]

Saint Asonia’s first album was loads better than the second IMO.

[@brandonhaines1920]

Mark Tremonti doesn't get credit where credit is due because of Creed. If you watch any interview with him, he takes pride in his legato and melodic style of playing. That being said, Stapp literally took all of the credit on My Own Prison lyrically, but ironically forgot to mention that it was Mark who wrote the big songs off that album.

[@DokkaChapman]

I met Wes years ago when he came to the UK touring BLB. He is such a nice, down to Earth guy! Sold me a rare t shirt, did a doodle in my notebook and was basically a non dickish version of Maynard James Keenan lol.

[@Boselectatribute]

I was so happy to see mike mushok on this list! Learning Staind songs and watching interviews of him show just how good a guitarist he is! Criminally underrated.

[@AdmiralM]

Gary Richrath from REO Speedwagon. I personally dont think that the band is bad but Gary is an amazing guitarist who I believe is left heavily underrated and unknown in the rock world because of the band he played with.

[@craighenry2351]

Gary suffered from what happened to REO after 1980. Just like with Journey and Neal Schon, when REO went pop, there was no room for Richrath. As an example of his brilliance, listen to the song Lightning and the fade out solo.

[@danachappell9783]

His work on 1979’s “Nine Lives” make that album the band’s best by far. It hits harder than a lot of the other AOR and Arena Rock of that time and is where they should’ve tried heading musically instead of the ballads and poppier stuff they did.

[@toddscott9143]

Tremonti is recognized as a prolific writer and technically talented guitarist, whether it's Creed, AB, or Tremonti. I've had the pleasure of hanging with him backstage and he's always working on technique. He's also easily one of the most approachable, friendly, authentically cool cats. He let me try out his personally designed PRS guitar, showed me the guts of his prototype MT15, and talked about possibly writing another book. Great guitarist, great guy, cool person. 🤘🏻👍🏼

[@UseADamnCoaster]

I'm so glad you mentioned Mark Tremonti! Been a fan of his forever and Alter Bridge kicks ass. He can really showcase his talent in a band like Alter Bridge and his solo work is pretty good too from what I've heard 🤘🏻

[@Replicaate]

Wes Borland ALSO deserves a band with aesthetic flair enough that he doesn't have to look like the art student with a major in SFX makeup who didn't have time to change out of his thesis project before band practice.

[@christophercombs7561]

A band that would have been good for wes was Mudvayne even though chad grey isnt good the rest of that band would have been amazing with Wes

[@Replicaate]

ALSO, this is way after the fact but someone else just crossed my mind: Joe Trohman of Fall Out Boy. He's not a virtuoso, but he's waaay better than comeback-era FOB deserves, just put any song from Take This To Your Grave next to...anything after Infinity on High, it's night and day. He still gets to unleash his metal/hardcore skills in side projects but it still feels like such a waste. But pop rock pays the bills I guess.

[@RockAndRollBeMyFaith]

Also, Slash was the only reason Guns ‘N’ Roses was anything. It sure as hell wasn’t because of Axl “I quit” Rose.

[@LayMyBurdenDown]

Izzy wrote some great songs and riffs. Slash is a monster lead player but without Izzy.. Not so many memorable tunes.

[@imandan1966]

Utter nonsense. Izzy had co writing credit on every song. Slash is very overrated

[@Thor-Orion]

Izzy

[@DeadRingerMachine]

Duff McKagan was a highly underrated bass player.

[@imandan1966]

@@DeadRingerMachine not really

[@Junkhead_lol]

Im still on the ad before the video starts, I just want to say the fact you have Wes Borland as the cover is INSANE, great band- just an even better guitar player

[@beaniemeanie1998]

I saved an embarrassing amount of Bizkit songs only because Borland makes all the pain worth it. I knew Wes Borland was going to show up here and I'm glad he did

[@abohsukampret]

Please tell me Hot Dog was one of them, lol.

[@beaniemeanie1998]

Yes.

[@BCTTV_DTJ]

Don't sleep on Michael Sweet's guitar playing in Stryper either. He's amazing as is Oz and they work perfect together with Oz's blues influenced leads and Michael's classically influenced ones.

[@EduardoMano]

Was about to say the exact same thing. Many of the classic Stryper solos were performed by Sweet, not Fox. Both are extremely talented guitar players. Of course the band's lyrics may sound laughable for non-christians (and their early looks laughable to both christians and non-christians alike), but with the exception of Robert Sweet (who is an OK drummer, but was never on par with the band's skills) the whole band was/is very talented. Both vocally and instrumentally.

[@BCTTV_DTJ]

@@EduardoMano Yep, I'm a Randy Rhoads guy. Love the more classical side of guitar and that was Michael Sweet, all day long!!

[@EduardoMano]

@@BCTTV_DTJ YES!

[@normangeleri5579]

Oz fox helped Frank dimino with his solo project Frank dimino was the former lead singer of angel

[@craighenry2351]

What about his voice. That’s why his guitar gets ignored. He is easily a top ten alltime metal vocalist.

[@masonb9788]

Steve Lynch - Autograph. When I saw them back in the very late 80s he played in the opening band as well (with a wig).

[@randomguitarnote8887]

You forgot Vito Bratta … white lion is complete shit but his playing is to die for.

[@bobthebear1246]

True

[@jamesdavison2927]

Disagree on white lion Not the greatest, yes Not complete shit tho Vito was amazing tho

[@ciannolan9713]

Basically every musician in Mr. Big. They all could've been some of the most sought after session musicians in the industry if they didn't put their lots into that band

[@bobthebear1246]

Maybe, but they still gave us at least 2 great songs ("Addicted To That Rush" and "Daddy, Brother, Lover, Little Boy.") (R.I.P. Pat Torpey, that man was a beast.)

[@redvanmann]

I said as much to Wes and he basically called me a prick and said he has enough self confidence to not need to care about what others think. Cheers Wes

[@eddiekalista3222]

Makes sense. Just because LB is seen as a joke, it doesn’t mean those guys don’t pour everything they have into every track. They all come together to write they best music they can. There proud of what they do. I’d be kinda pissed, too, if someone said that shit to me.

[@nouieg667]

@@eddiekalista3222 not to mention most of them are super successful. Some people just love to hate on what's mainstream not understanding why they were such huge successes in the first place

[@jasoncharles9992]

Watch the truth from limp when wes first came back very reminiscent of 3$ i guarantee it will change your perspective

[@emakrox]

I don’t know if I’d really consider them a “bad” band, but arguably CC Deville is the most talented member of Poison. I love Poison, they’re my guilty pleasure, and CC’s guitar work is what puts them over for me

[@christineharrelson4831]

I thought of that too, with all his training. But to be honest about half, maybe more, of his solos don't even sound like they belong in the song they're in :) But watching him play live in concert like 20 years ago - he definitely is still into playing his guitar with all the fun of a little kid.

[@nathanrocks2562]

I had this conversation with a co-worker today. We all agreed

[@mainantagonist]

Gotta disagree. C.C. back in their best days couldn't carry a trash bag with his playing. Simple power chords that any 10 year old can do in their bedroom. Maybe he's improved since the 80s, but he was shit back then.

[@sketchyold]

@@mainantagonist Rock isn’t jazz. No reason to play more than simple chords when playing good-time rock and roll that appeals to the masses. It’s about partying and having fun, which is an escape from the day-to-day bullshit for most of their fans. Sure, “progressive” bands like Dream Theatre are great musicians, but the majority of their crowd is composed of video game playing-incels and amateur male musicians standing with hands in pockets or cross-armed. Woo-hoo! Fun times!

[@thewhitewolf7886]

Love CC

[@ydin9]

Some good shredder might solo the heavens a part but is that all we look for? Every town has a band with a great musician stuck playing with subpar band mates out of comfort or availability. It's not that they couldn't technically play with better players, is that they might be incapable of getting along with other band mates - I think that is underappreciated thing of what makes a good band mate or a player.

[@lorddeathspit1124]

Great musicians don’t necessarily make great music. That’s why virtually none on this list made a dime outside of their main project. That said I agree with the list. lol

[@miaferrari958]

Making good music doesn't necessarily equal making money, though.

[@MakilHeru]

Black Light Burns was an interesting band which deserves some recognition. Borland also wrote some solo albums that were quite unique as well. He's also a talented painter/artist as well.

[@RanterInShades]

Surprised Jacky Vincent didn't get mentioned from when he was in Falling In Reverse. He went solo in 2013 and started putting out some stellar neo-classical shred music, along with forming a power metal band called Cry Venom.

[@Iyashikei-t4u]

Maybe because Falling In Reverse isn't a bad band at all? Their recent output is amazing.

[@itsbosh3345]

4 out of 7 of these bands were Regretting The Past victims lmao

[@GTONeko]

Give it time for the other 3. X3

[@kylehegedus5498]

But that means he’d have to do an episode on an Attila album. We don’t want to put him through that torture!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂

[@GTONeko]

@@kylehegedus5498 ...or do we? *starts laughing typical anime villain-style* 😝

[@femali]

When I saw Creed, I was 12 in front row. Mark saw me, and had one of his tech give me a guitar pick. I can attest to how cool Mark Tremonti is!

[@mattkeen3811]

Reminds me that I saw Dream Theater live for the last time back in February last year and by some crazy luck I caught one of John Petrucci's picks. Gave it to my brother because he's a far bigger fan and introduced me to their music years ago.

[@vagabondwastrel2361]

Giving Guitar picks is/was fairly common and it is a simple move to create superfans.

[@natrixxvision6997]

Scott Stapp now has a solo career, also with a great guitarist in his band.

[@ArexSant]

man, to be honest. Limp Bizkit has great musicianship.

[@JodieBarbwireHeart]

I saw buckcherry live when they opened for steel panther and had never really heard of them ever before. I wish I go back to those days and forget them all over again 🙄

[@marionkidwell3030]

Saw Tesla open for others a few years back. Their guitarists were tremendous but their singer was a Raspy Squawking Skeleton that made you want their set to be over now.

[@stevend2666]

Totally agree with Keith Nelson! I saw him in Buckcherry when they played with Avenged sevenfold. I watched him play his guitar flawlessly while calling on a fan that was pushing women in the crowd to come up and fight him on stage. That dude was the only rock and roll part of that band.

[@AH-vt6hq]

Bro when the riff comes in on the bridge of Take Me higher "so lets go there" chug chug chug chug chug chug chug chug chug chug chug chug "lets make our escape, come on lets go there" chug chug chug chug chug chug chug chug that shit is so heavy and luscious!

[@fatelvishguy6386]

I’m surprised there’s no mention of Nuno. Extreme wasn’t THAT bad, but Nuno was one of the best players in that era, and Extreme did not measure up

[@Peregrine101]

I wouldn't say that Extreme was a bad band, but they hit mainstream with the wrong song. After More than words the general public expected more of that semi-acoustic stuff, but the band was way louder than that. To me that is why Extreme never really caught on. They are recognized for the wrong tracks. Mr. Big and Paul Gilbert are on the same page for that matter if you ask me.

[@craighenry2351]

Truly he was. When I heard Play With Me on the Bill and Ted soundtrack, I got the Extreme debut. They were, actually, as you said, a good band, but Nuno, being phenomenal, was so underrated.

[@ScottMosier12345]

Man, John Otto is great as well. Gets zero cred due to being in Limp Bizkit.

[@eeyorehaferbock7870]

I think Sam Rivers is fine as well. Seriously, if the instrumentalists in that band all split up and went to form their own projects like Wes did, they would probably do great. But because they stayed with Fred Durst, they ended up wasting all their potential.

[@andrewpappas9311]

Honestly, all the instrumentalists in Bizkit are super solid but they just get overshadowed by Fred Durst

[@demetrisloukas8586]

Saw Tremonti live and the dude was insane. Definitely an underrated musician who was stuck in an overrated band

[@slowmoleconquerant]

Wes Borland is respected in the rock World, bands like Marilyn Manson or NIN have ired Wes in the past beside the fact that they hate Limp Bizkit and Fred Durst. A lot of NIN ex-members have worked with him and Trent give him some help on Black Light Burns album.

[@SlyHikari03]

Nice. Never knew Trent worked on BLB.

[@slowmoleconquerant]

@@SlyHikari03 Trent gie some advices to Wes on Cruel Melody, osh Freeze play drum on it and Danny Loather produce the album if I remember correctly

[@davidnissim589]

Wes also joined Manson briefly as a touring member

[@poppaspank]

Ellen McIlwaine is a brilliant slide guitarist, singer, songwriter with a long solo career. Her original band Fear Itself always struck me as a quartet of musicians who all thought they were in different groups.

[@dvon1097]

Reb Beach. Winger wasnt good but god damn Reb is a machine on guitar

[@pearlspacejam8639]

My Own Prison is a solid album, this is non-debatable.

[@Firebrand1967]

Yeah it is. 👍🏻

[@brandonjohnson5732]

It is and I even liked some of their later work too at the time but then they got so big and over played that I just couldn't stand them. I was in a band at the time with 2 guys who worshiped them, all they wanted to do was learn creed covers and sound like them, I didn't stick around long, told them I didn't want to be creed jr and quit.

[@dsmith9626]

Human Clay ain't no slouch either. But since he met Myles, Mark has hit nothing but homers with Alter Bridge-who in my opinion-have consistently provided a curriculum vitae since their 2004 debut of "One Day Remains" that is undoubtedly and with little argument some of the greatest modern "hard rock/metal" out there. Name one other heavy band that can boast that kind of track record in the 21st century. Trust me...the list is pretty short and unremarkable. Alter Bridge AIN'T your brother's Creed. That's for damn sure. Creed has morphed into the best hard rock/metal band in the last two decades. Change my mind. Listen to the song "Blackbird". Listen to "Words Darker Than Their Wings. " Listen to "Calm the Fire." And dozens of others. Change my mind. Good luck.

[@jamesdavison2927]

A- EFFING - MEN so many underrated songs on there like "ode"

[@losferwords100]

@@dsmith9626 Easy, Sevendust. Been writing some of the best and most consistent hard rock/metal albums for the past 25 years. If you want heartfelt songs with anthemic chorus's and bangers that get the moshpit going nuts, look no further than Sevendust. The most underappreciated band of the last 2 decades and their live act is head and shoulders above most of their counterparts. Alter Bridge has been slacking since Fortress. Mark's best material is his solo stuff these days BY FAR.

[@Chord_The_Seeker]

Nuno Bettencourt. He’s an incredible guitarist, but Extreme, mostly Gary Cherone, were not so amazing as a whole.

[@bobthebear1246]

See, I disagree. Cherone definitely was the wrong choice for Van Halen, but with Extreme he was great. There wasn't a bad song on *Extreme II Pornograffiti* and Cherone's singing was great. I'd agree that each album was major diminishing returns, though.

[@darinmazzie3026]

@@bobthebear1246 When I First Kissed You is terrible!!!

[@bluepunk182]

Nuno is amazing...

[@jamesdavison2927]

Nuno amazing Not familiar enuf with extreme to know how awesome they might have been

[@darinmazzie3026]

@@jamesdavison2927 Try "Get The Funk Out," and "Decadence Dance" and "It's A Monster" Top notch

[@lucaslucena6306]

Tony Rombola of Godsmack and Jason Hook from Five Finger Death Punch are great examples!!

[@fuzzywarble]

The song "Bad Religion" nullifies Rombola's status as a great guitarist

[@diegomazzaron9191]

Yeah they are very good guitarists.

[@eddiebranden1]

Jason Hook has played with everyone from Alice Cooper to Hilary Duff.

[@lordiblees]

Everyone in Godsmack is very talented.

[@lucaslucena6306]

@@lordiblees Except for the outside writers Sully hired for the last album. IMO they've gone downhill since The Oracle, but When Legends Rise is their weakest effort by far

[@mikeoaster1935]

I absolutely love Alter Bridge and Mark Tremonti to boot. Nice to see him on this list