The TF2 Magic Spell Tier List

[@bence2324]

When the enemy uses lightning it traps you in it, basically draining your health from max to 0 without you being able to do anything. When you use it, the enemy takes 20 damage then kills you and walks away

[@alex.g7317]

Ye

[@landlockedcroat1554]

tru

[@SergeantCrwhips]

If it doesnt lift you from the ground you can try and crouch to get out, works manny times for me

[@FilthyActs]

It actually uses the same code as excursion funnels from portal 2 so you can exploit it with the exfu speedrunning glitch to disable gravity for yourself until you die ^ I made this up btw, eat my ass

[@mighty9003]

I can't tell you how many time I will skirt pass the ball then just get pulled into it after it passed me.

[@rift3068]

Invisibility spell is amazing. Imagine bumping into what you think is a cloaked spy then you hear a minigun revving

[@callmestone69]

*"RATATATATATATATATATA"*

[@ultimatewolfgaming4171]

New objective: Survive

[@Pizzabros223]

@@ultimatewolfgaming4171w reference

[@prosto_a_user]

"I am the -Spy- Heavy Weapons Guy."

[@robbieramsey3092]

@@prosto_a_user heavy weapons spy

[@purplehaze2358]

There's nothing more I want than to mix halloween spells with medieval mode.

[@BoeBins]

Wow, how has that not happened yet? Someone should make DeGroot Creep

[@drillbitz2816]

@@BoeBins You need to be a developer

[@Finnboy-ml5jv]

Pls no.

[@littleumbrella1763]

Not very medieval then but its tf2 so ye would be fun

[@totallyupdoggin]

@@littleumbrella1763 pagans

[@aidancribb7061]

As a wise wizard once said "I'm gonna cast Fireball, its gonna help, Fireball solves everything"

[@YoutubeCommonman_Totas]

It does

[@yt-ru7dv]

Throwing meteors at the Target always destroys the target it's just true

[@beanie1694]

Welcome to a crap guide to dnd

[@Cheerybelle]

"I didn't ask how big the room was; I said I cast Fireball!"

[@undefind3426]

You forgot one thing about the skeleton spell: each skeleton splits upon defeat until they get to the small skeletons. Meaning that the enemy might end up fighting more skeletons than they can handle

[@percher4824]

The splitting doesn't really matter when the small skellies are made of paper.

[@Wahmageddon]

The small skeletons are easy to deal with if you're a pyro, soldier, demoman, and maybe heavy. Other than those guys, they're a pain because they move fast, and are tiny.

[@Aelfraed26]

He probably forgot to mention it because the neutral skeletons work exactly the same

[@absolutezerochill2700]

​@@percher4824in the end, it doesn't even matter

[@Nightmarehello-de4dz]

Tf2 magic spells tier list has been always strange case to me

[@__matt__]

Stealth is actually amazing on Sniper because it allows you to easily win Sniper duels and pick Medics more easily. And if you're using the Huntsman you can go for some really funny Taunt Kills.

[@jvbutalid8316]

now imagine if the sniper is a bot (not the one in mvm). the community would be in uproar/

[@logemcdoge4620]

Yeah but its halloween mode so you also could end up doing a Thriller dance then die.

[@draconocor]

Correction: Rare spells aren't always in the common spell pool, it's map-dependent.

[@LauBauBer]

Apparently only maps made by Valve get to have the common spell pool without rare spells. I heard community makers only get to put common with a chance of rare or rare with no common.

[@redstonewarrior0152]

Skeletons is a rare pickup only spell. So it is either just common, all spells but Skeletons, or rare.

[@redstonewarrior0152]

@@LauBauBer Skeletons is not something you can get from a common spell pick up. Don't forget that detail.

[@edenengland1883]

ive always thought that there should be halloween MvM as well as medieval MvM missions where you dont get canteens and can buy ppells instead while fighting unique robot types that also utilize spells against you

[@Scout_from_deep_rock_galactic]

So wave666?

[@wingman2h]

thatd be somewhat worst like imagine you get something like the jump spell which wont even work with air strike and the robots just use every single overpowered spell on you

[@christiancinnabars1402]

@@wingman2h That is assuming “buying spells” means a randomized spell instead of pre-set spells you can guaranteed get for various prices.

[@edenengland1883]

@@wingman2h when i say buying spells, i mean in the same manner that you buy canteens, better spells cost more credits, worse ones cost less as for the robots, not all of them would use spells, only *specific ones* would use spells, and the spell using robots would use spells based on the specific robot (like a pyro that throws fireballs / a giant pyro that throws firestorms)

[@playcube4564]

Man vs Wizard, or maybe Man vs Merasmus

[@Josuemaneiros7]

Nothing better than being an invisible spy waiting for someone to open the enemy spawn door so you can throw the meteor spell

[@Aelfraed26]

But you can't use spells while invisible

[@Josuemaneiros7]

@@Aelfraed26 that's why you wait for the right moment to uncloak, sir

[@Aelfraed26]

@@Josuemaneiros7 But uncloaking isn't instantaneous. When enemies leave the spawn the door is only open for a very small amount of time. In addition, enemies can hear you uncloak.

[@Josuemaneiros7]

@@Aelfraed26 man did you know that doing stuff on practice isn't the same thing as in theory?

[@Aelfraed26]

@@Josuemaneiros7 That helps my argument, not yours

[@check2youable]

Fun fact: shooting a summoned monoculus actually counts as damage for charging weapons like the Cleaner's carbine, meaning you can even benefit from an enemy monoculus in some situations

[@Juli_is_Online]

Hell yes, a 50 minute tier list about the thing that best captures the essence of the madness of Scream Fortress, Spells. Some of them might make me wanna punch my desk but overall I really love the concept and think they make Halloween maps that much more fun, although I am glad there's a good amount of maps that don't have them.

[@greybigfoot1722]

The teleport spell would be really fun if they analyzed every map on a case by case. Surely there's more than just Helltower that the spell wouldn't break the map on.

[@CAMSLAYER13]

For once i can see why valve just sorta ignored it

[@areosmithwagon9890]

Another point about swarm of bats is that it is incredibly disorienting to get hit by.

[@Wahmageddon]

No idea why it flings you into the air.

[@Mutaburasaurus]

And you usually take quite a lot of fall damage from it.

[@dominicstocker5144]

@@Wahmageddon the bats take you

[@user-jj8ot2ij2m]

by using specific command "tf_taunt_first_person 1" which let you see in first person with taunts you can use minify in first person perspective really good for scout

[@usernametaken017]

this doesn't sound very balanced

[@kerbonaut2059]

i use the firstperson command which works just as well. Fantastic at fixing your aim as soldier for example.

[@deeppit3218]

8:08 I think invisiblity spell on sniper is very underrated. One time i had this spell as sniper and i used it, i walked to the frontline and i got a kill. The ennemy didnt saw me and moved in a straight line. And as engineer i can think of maybe ninjaneering or like using the spell and grabing you sentry to get out of a situation I love spells and i think valve should let them as they are. Great video!

[@legostuffman512]

I once used the invisibility spell on sniper to Jarate-Bushwacka a medic in the middle of his team. He ragequit while I got away alive.

[@deeppit3218]

Sick

[@LoraLoibu]

@@legostuffman512 Meet the Spyper

[@bruschetta7711]

At close range you can get a pick but other than that is useless, you don't get better aim, and Sniper is kinda supposed to be effective when enemies are not aware of him and therefore move predictably, so it does nothing in that regard

[@loganalleman]

I had fun using the invis as soldier to farm equalizer kills, but the healing actually kind of hurt that. I really wish the rocket jumper would let you stay invisible

[@rebeccadavis3185]

Halloween spells? Since when could Halloween spell?

[@Zero2HeroX]

Since halloween duh

[@rebeccadavis3185]

@@Zero2HeroX Halloween*

[@Zero2HeroX]

@@rebeccadavis3185 that's what i said

[@drillbitz2816]

@@Zero2HeroX capitalization

[@rebeccadavis3185]

@@Zero2HeroX That's what I said.*

[@TheSpookster]

I've got to share ONE super niche scenario where the minify spell is absolutely broken on heavy. Because of the double firing speed, plus the mobility minify gives you, using the brass beast can be absolutely devastating, because it lets you absolutely delete enemies with its extra damage. The minify spell basically makes up for the brass beast's slow speed, and lets you close the distance you otherwise can't, on top of letting you literally just drop down on top of people to delete them

[@turkishjanitor3666]

Honestly this works great even with other miniguns and I have no idea why did he trash that niche so much in the video. Even if a pint-sized Heavy cannot be as mobile as other classes when using this spell, combining increased mobility and smaller hitbox with more damage is still enough to nullify his weaknesses during fights

[@BeaverBotics2]

Great video overall. On thing I'm surprised wasn't brought up as a negative for the Minify spell is this: If the enemy team has an engineer, your going to have a bad time with the Minify spell, because the sentry knock-back is INSANE. While it may not kill you all the time, you are basically forbidden from getting close to certain areas, you will have a much harder time doing damage, and it can be risky on maps with cliffs on them. And considering God knows how many players run Mini Sentries on Halloween maps, this will come up a LOT. It's why I generally prefer offensive rare spells like Meteor, Ball o' Lightning or Monoculus if the enemy team has engineers.

[@CAMSLAYER13]

He did bring this up

[@BeaverBotics2]

@@CAMSLAYER13 Whoops....yeah rewatching it was very blink and you'll miss it so that's probably why I missed it.

[@CAMSLAYER13]

@@BeaverBotics2 yea, was very much a side note

[@irefusestudios8075]

This year I had the misfortune of finding a lobby with this absolute god of a demo who was somehow able to consistently shoot a pipe, shoot a pumpkin mirv, and time it all so that it wiped out anything they aimed at, it was absolutely insane.

[@Crazy_Dave_-lv2pu]

The stealth spell is kinda busted on demoknight. Using secondary fire doesn't set it off, so the enemies just hear demoknight charge sounds and then die out of thin air.

[@yanderesnowelf7391]

Something about the invis spell, casting spells also removes the cloak Also, the minify spell's rtd variant, you can still get backstabbed even when the spy isn't looking down

[@Aaa-vp6ug]

Imagine accidentally fumbling a backstab because a miniature player was technically right in front of you

[@RdTrler]

6:18 I love the irony in this statement: he uses invisibility to ambush, but then an Engie comes out of nowhere like he did.

[@QuackZack]

That critical hit bitch slap caught me off guard lmao

[@Casual_PKBeats]

You're definitely right about the PK Fire being super good, as a clip farmer I always kinda ignore it because just raw, good, easy damage isn't very interesting LOL, but yeah it's super strong. I do think you're heavily underestimating the PK Thunder, though, putting it in the same tier as bats, especially if monoculus is being put in A tier. Perhaps we've just had different experiences with it, maybe I play on more choke-heavy maps, but I feel like PK Thunder is just far too effective in a lot of common scenarios with little wiggle room for those caught in it. It can be prone to fail, but personally I've rarely experienced that. Usually when I get tickled by it, I can say goodbye to my life unless I've got a good spell to heal me or get extremely lucky. But yeah very fun video, and I generally agree with your takes! It makes me really appreciate spells even more, they really are such a treat and it's almost a shame they aren't available year round.

[@drillbitz2816]

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[@tylerduncanson2661]

Fireball storm has an alternate variant. Instead of the rain of meteors, it makes a fountain. Its still incredibly effective, but its not as powerful, and the icon is the same as the normal version, so its difficult to know which one you're about to cast. Also, the Base Jump spell deals damage in addition to its knockback.

[@c0dec_1024]

pretty sure the fountain variant is just a visual glitch where the fireballs don't show up

[@tylerduncanson2661]

@@c0dec_1024 It definitely has an easier to dodge hitbox.

[@user-un2pf4ht9l]

@@c0dec_1024 i think its when the ceiling is too low and/or the spell is cliping into a prop

[@microsoftpowerpoint4731]

Parachute spell can do a double hit for insane knock back very underrated. Also you can use other spells while using the Uber or bomb head spell in bumper cars. Last thing, you actually deal critical damage during the Uber spell in bumper cars. I made a spell guide for the bumper cars last year and love the mini game and sharing my knowledge of it.

[@Sgnolbo]

I feel like I've warped from an alternate dimention when you talk about how people feel about the power levels of Halloween spells. All of these are incredibly standard opinions on the spells. Not saying I didn't enjoy the video, but I have never met a person who thinks fireball is a mediocre spell, and minify a god-tier spell.

[@Hexagonaldonut]

A note about Blast Jump- you can use it to substitute for blast jumps as Demoknight, who really wants to be in the air for charges. If you're running hybrid with the Iron Bomber this matters less, but it's a useful thing to know about.

[@ocfos88]

39:56 your skeletons got a mini-crit kill after you drank the crit-a-cola. I did not expect that to work in such a whacky order.

[@RealNikoPlush]

Funny thing is that taunting does not break stealth, so escape plan soldiers become invisible bombs

[@tombraiserzombie2581]

You got me good, Great Blue. I almost thought you stole SpaceGuyOnline’s video.

[@pilotbug6100]

Ironically they are both friends

[@aperson-rq9hy]

I remember invisibility used to be my favorite spell because you could stay invisible if you only used melee weapons, I understand why they nerfed it but it used to be super fun to use.

[@egg_ox]

Blast jumping next to a pumpkin bomb is a good way to find out the spell has the small damage

[@moronribbons5774]

8:21 stealth actually won't reveal you while firing the medigun, so it's good for making yourself difficult to pin down while healing if they're trying to focus you.

[@maevekaori]

The interesting part of going into third person in TF2, is that it can be easily reverted by having a 'firstperson' bind. Which will force the game to put you back into first person (but not back to third) so if you want to aim real good while under the effects of things like those, you can force to go back to first person by having that bound to a key. And if it doesn't... I honestly actually thought it did.

[@joaoostroski4778]

the invisibility spell can be mega useful for sniper when you have to deal with that pesky sniper on the other team countering you or to get that high-priority pick without getting spammed out. absolutely love it!

[@dansmith6300]

For anyone wondering why the highest tier on the list is a bible verse, here is what it says, KJV. "The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all the green grass was burnt up." Basically, Armageddon. Edit: misspelled a word.

[@TimesChu]

You didn't mention it, perhaps because to do so would be leaping into Satan's warm embrace, but you can pair fireball and phlog for almost instant charge.

[@CAMSLAYER13]

I guess but phlog struggles in Halloween. Everyone has crits all the time anyway

[@scaperist]

Tip: if you wanna do the epic Carnival of Carnage trolling with the meteor shower spell (like at 38:56), use Spy with the cloak and dagger (also equip the l'etranger and spy-cicle). Helps you camp the rare spell's spawn point without anyone noticing. Once you get the spell, all you need to do is find a spot to hide until Merasmus shouts "INCOMING SPELL!" Then you swiftly uncloak and place the meteor at the enemy's spawn point. Voila, a wipe is imminent! An optional thing, but if you are a true scumbag (like me), use a duelling minigame on a random person from the enemy team. It nearly guarantees you a duel win.

[@professional_lurker]

Stealth is top tier as demoknight, since your charge doesn't remove it. Bodyslamming while invisible and chopping their heads off is addicting. Fireball is also excellent for getting enemies to 65 or less hp for a quick kill.

[@Arenovas]

No clue if anyone already mentioned it, but the minify spell still allows you to clip into out of bounds in places. I had some engineers on the opposite team build inside of walls using it on Slasher this Scream Fortress

[@anonymousthekiller5199]

Minify with 0 exploits: mid Minify with exploits: game ending

[@LyraKeaton]

One very important thing to note about Minify is that you can use the command "firstperson" in the console to use the spell in first person. This works for every effect that makes you play in third person (like the stretch effect on hell train, or melee only effect on carnival of carnage). You can also, of course, bind the command to a key and press it whenever you use the spell This alone is why I love using Minify when I play scout, because being nearly impossible to hit by non hitscan classes can be immensely useful in any situation. That plus the healing kind of makes it a "no, I'm not losing this fight" spell. Getting it from the uncommon pool can feel like a bummer, since there are way better spells. But getting it from the common list feels amazing. Oh, and you can avoid getting killed by the spell by being in the air when it ends. No duh, but it doesn't take too much practice to get the timer down, or just simply making note of when you used the spell.

[@PimpCatTV]

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[@cable_company]

two things about ball o'lightning: it seems to have a fixed lifetime, but if it hits certain surfaces it'll stick to them and travel alongside them until it expires. notably this does not apply to the payload cart, it just fizzles when it hits it. second, I'm like 90% sure that if you're stuck in the ball and you airblast the ground, it'll knock you out of the ball's hitbox. for some reason. in my experience the airblast hitbox MUST actually touch the ground itself, you can't just point at the ground while 30ft in the air and expect to get out for free.

[@williamgrant3231]

6:17 I'm dying at this entire scene.

[@emeraldmann1329]

"Fireball doesn't really do support" You see, the support fireball does is "You don't need support when every enemy dies"

[@Double_Jae]

Okay I’ve gotten some AMAZING use out of stealth on sniper, being able to walk out into an open sight line and take out their sniper at zero risk is insane

[@Boonetube27]

Really great job on this video. Even though I don’t play TF2, I can appreciate the small touches added.

[@communistchicken2414]

To be honest just about every spell is slightly worse on heavy (assuming that you are playing him with a sandwich) because you can't use them while revved up so if you are mid-fight you can't shoot them without un-revving, but they are also slightly better on heavy because if you get ambushed you can quickly deploy one so you can have time to escape or rev up

[@JortGobbler]

I’ve realized that the reason I like this channel so much compared to other tftubers is that the style and concept of the videos really feels like someone who likes tf2 talking about tf2 because they want to. A lot of other big creators give off the vibe that they’re just doing it because they have to

[@Stumperman07]

Minify is god tier BUT only in very certain situations. You have to be Soldier with a RL with splash damage. And it has to be on a map that has 1. Spells and 2. Portal to underworld where upon leaving you are granted crits ands uber. And I swear there was a time where minify didn't kill you at the most awkward areas cause you collide with a stick. I'm going to assume all the patches to prevent out of the map glitches broke the end spell growth.

[@drillbitz2816]

Pyro is scary when they know what they’re doing

[@royalhydra9790]

Ball of bats has another upside of bleeds being stackable. Not gonna matter too much, but it does have that over fireball

[@pantuternik]

You actually have spells on the Gravestone race minigame. Getting parachute on the first spell can allow you to instantly win by flying to the end immediately

[@LuigiMan2401]

One thing I think stealth is useful for engie if he wants to setup a sneaky teleport exit behind enemy lines

[@TF-Boom]

Jump blast and invisibility should be one rank higher. Jump blast is a free easy to use mobility, that you can easily use offensive or as escape tool. This jump is so high that basic strafing will prevent you from getting airshotted as long as you use this spell while walking forward (a.k.a how you supposed to use it). Also healing prevents you from taking actual fall damage. Invisibility on any class is really good. You can use it as a really effective escape tool as long as your enemy isn't pyro. It also gives you ability to flank really deep as classes that because stupidity strong if you do deep flank play as them (like engineer, heavy, sniper)

[@Bacon956]

I would argue one niche and janky use that makes Skeletons Horde very useful, capping on Helltower. Skeletons have the ability to enter the opposite team's spawn, so if you throw it by the door and start capping, they will pester the enemy team for 30 seconds while keeping them in spawn. It doesn't matter if it doesn't kill them again, all you need is the time to cap. Skeletons Horde is the only reason I was able to get the achievement Helltower Competitive Spirit in a reasonable amount of time. While Monoculus and Meteor Shower can kill more people and are nice for area denial, they won't last the entire capping time like Skeletons Horde can.

[@crack4184]

Pumpkin Mirv is pretty good when you cap because you can set up a trap and some players will ignore it to get you but they'll get blown up!

[@sanspapyrus2932]

Nice content btw Always a treat when you upload

[@jazzparagus1718]

I’d argue the medic benefits more from damaging spells than scout because noone expects you to suddenly deal 100 damage out of nowhere

[@Jessie_Helms]

Cast fireball. Just fireball. _ONLY FIREBALL_

[@BottleWaterson]

the real trick to Ball Lightning is aiming slightly up, so the enemy floats away innefectually for daring to stand in the same continent. and if they go high enough the fall damage could rarely finish the job

[@Soundbox3214]

Engineer can make amazing use of stealth. It's still situational, but it's very good. The best is on payload defense. You can get some sneaky teleporters up and mess with the enemy team, as well as provide flank classes instant access to behind enemy lines. These distractions can be enough to stall their progress and ruin their coordination for pushes.

[@polskajoseoncountryball6950]

7 The first angel sounded his trumpet, and there came hail and fire mixed with blood, and it was hurled down on the earth. A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up.

[@ChipDrewPog]

one thing I hate with all my being about shadow leap is how it simply bounces off the ghost bridge and so if you chuck one up the bridge to make it to the rare spell you just die instantly, ive lost so many spells because I just picked up shadow leap, wanted to warp to the manor because I won't make it in time at regular move speed and proceed to just die because the projectile hit the bridge and just slid off the brodge and off the cliff, warping me into the death zone.

[@Alabenson]

Stealth can be awesome on a Heavy who knows how to flank properly. there's nothing like suddenly appearing in the middle of an engineer nest and tearing it apart before the engie even realizes what's going on or suddenly popping out behind a distracted enemy medic.

[@Aelfraed26]

Blast jump should be 2 points for snipers. being able to snipe from places most classes can't reach is surprisingly good.

[@BritCrumpet]

Fun fact about minify: the firstperson command is not disabled by sv_cheats and you can just bind something to that to completely erase the one downside that it has.

[@KommandantSeal]

I've watched this 3 times and only now just realized what the Ball O' Lightning symbol looks like 35:38

[@i_wateraaaaa]

A swastika. It’s not the rotates Nazi one, only the religious Hindu one.

[@racer927]

MIRV is an acronym for Multiple Independent Re-entry Vehicle which is in reference to nuclear warheads deployed via ICBMs with the idea of multiple warheads being more likely to slip past defense systems. Fun Fact: The MIRV Grenade was the secondary grenade for Heavy and Demoman in Team Fortress Classic and was going to spiritually come back as the dynamite bundle for Demoman in TF2 (and seen in action in the 2006 gameplay trailer).

[@Jesus28377]

Dont ask where lightning ball icon was doing from 1939-1945

[@user-tt1df4ou8b]

Crazy

[@Imirui]

One of the sleeper hits for Stealth is Pyro. With the homewrecker you basically get one free building destruction, and with the backburner you get free back crits.

[@lukaslukeson6080]

good tip: you can disable the third person for minify by enabling first person taunts.

[@NewtypeCommander]

Sidenote: M.I.R.V. is an actual acronym as it stands for Multiple Independent Reentry Vehicles. It is usually used to describe large scale strategic nuclear weapons such as ballistic missiles which have not one but many nuclear warheads to independently detonate over multiple targets.

[@purplehaze2358]

The fireball spell is basically the scorch shot but available for every class and doesn't take up a weapon slot in order to use it. Actual nightmare fuel.

[@dominicstocker5144]

And 100 DAMAGE

[@ghoulbuster1]

I'll argue it's better than a scorch shot, it's a cowmangler charge shot on demand.

[@nyancatec]

Pretty much. However people don't really care about dying to these since everyone has a chance to get one, and even pyro (that is imflammable) takes HUGE chunk of damage so he can die to 1 great meatshot, or 1 rocket in point blank range.

[@nickforgie4290]

1:52.-when the first one blew his trumpet, there came hail and fire mixed with blood, which was hurled down to the earth

[@winglessdraco4865]

I'm not overly devout by any means. But the second you brought up meteor shower I knew it was going int Rev 8:7 tier

[@mr.gripsandtheboys3469]

Minify as battle engie was probably the most fun I had on Helltower. Just spam a minisentries and annoy projectile classes, scouts and heavies with the panic attack and short circuit.

[@redcat79]

“having your crosshair blocked is huge” laughs in demoman “minify kills you after the effect ends” cries in demoknight

[@C0DY420]

I think battle engineer would massively benefit from stealth because you can sneak behind the enemy team and set up a nest near their spawn

[@chrisby4607]

I believe that the spy level for minify should be four arrows not three as I’ve gone on so many chain stabs with a minify spy.

[@AU_Player]

Does stealth let you carry sentries or pre-built buildings? If so its pretty good

[@simonsoupshark8009]

you can do any action that doesnt involve your left click so you can rev a minigun, pop uber, toss a sandman ball ect.

[@bodhibrowne2965]

The first angel sounded his trumpet, and there came hail and fire mixed with blood, and it was hurled down on the earth. A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up.

[@godusopp1797]

For Ball o' Lightning, and I hope only you read this so that word doesn't spread, it can be escaped pretty easily by just moving in the opposite direction its traveling. Even if you're airborne, that subtle drag of velocity can be enough for you to escape almost instantly.

[@bedoop3870]

with the tesla coil, something i found useful in my travels is that if you aim down when firing it, there's a very high chance it just sticks to the floor. this means that a class like scout can run into a cluster of people, fire the tesla coil at his feet and now all of them are stuck in place and slightly visually impared, meaning a class like heavy or demo (or your entire team) can just mow into everyone in the ball ontop of the damage the coil itself is doing. it's pretty fun on koth maps.

[@fluffy_knight]

Magic Spells have always been a strange case to me.

[@thespicyfish919]

Video idea: combined weapons. For each class, you can now combine weapons that operate similarly, like sticky bomb launchers or scatter guns. Combined weapons have both the upsides and downsides of the weapons they are composed of. For example a combination of the winger and the pocket pistol would have +15% firing speed and damage, +3 health on hit, and the same jump height bonus the winger has, with the down side being you only have two shots in the clip. Weapons that only have upsides like the demoknight shields wouldn't be combinable, and weapons that operate in completely different ways like the short circuit and the wrangler would also not be compatible for combination. However, you can combine weapons with cross class alternatives, like the family business and the frontier justice. That effects the shotgun and panic attack, the pistols, and the half zatoichy.

[@Plants10000]

As an experienced spell main, I got a few things to add - Jump is as disposable as you put it. Accurate af. - Stealth can be used to easily get into the "get free rare spells and crits" portals in maps like Slasher as it allows you to sneakily get away or flank someone when they least expect it. Stealth can also be combined when getting out of said portals to be invisible while you have crits or a super powerful rare spell. - Ball o Lightning is RNG hell. Good luck. - Summon Monoculus isnt just great for area denial, but an incredible sentry/nest buster. If you summon it on a sentry nest, it´ll easily destroy the engineer and its buildings unlike meteor storm which only does 1-2 damage to buildings. Be careful on using it sometimes though as it can collide with walls and not get used, which is stupid. - Meteor Storm is busted, yeah. Funny to spam the shit out of it when you have access to free spells at anytime and make the enemy team mad. Great video!

[@methan1287]

In my opinion I think that the monoclus spell is as good if not better and fits the revalation verse as well. I think it is also extremely good at defending objectives and has a long effect and range

[@ActivistVictor]

Tbh I feel blast jump is better used as an evasion spell than a combat spell, the healing and high jump which forces opponents to take a second or two to readjust their aim, as well as that fact that I think it knocks back nearby enemies means if you’re in dire straits and need to get away fast it’s not a bad choice for that

[@this...isabucket.6665]

I'd have put 2 other things about fireball (12:55) that make it A tier. 1: You suffer no self-damage, unlike a lot of other spells. This is what makes it a great defensive tool cause you don't need to worry about hitting yourself like rockets or grenades would. 2: There is no firing cooldown, meaning you can combine the fireball with another attack both at once, to do pretty much a oneshot to any class. This is why IMO I'd say fireball actually pairs BEST with soldier, because I get to press M1 and my "use spell" button at the same instance, which sends a devastating combined attack (working even better because fireball has roughly the same speed as a rocket) towards whoever was unfortunate enough to be targeted. @Great Blue

[@baconandeggs159]

I know that you are not a fan of it, but since it’s so common in community servers I think that a Roll the Dice tier list would be an interesting video. Then again like over half would be in actively terrible so maybe not

[@_altoarcadevere]

I may be sound stupid but this video made me realize that all 9 class icons are present in the spell magic circle

[@tailoredmuffin3668]

So glad someone else realizes how cracked Fireball is

[@uberd3323]

Tesla Coil is my favorite. It makes me feel like a diabolical bastard when I get it to pull people off of cliffs or into hazards

[@Jarethenator]

My best uses for blastjump weren't actually for getting places (I mean, that's just what it does), but for using it near folks at the edges of falls. I have knocked a few people off cliffs or into hazards using that spell, and at least one time it saved me from a backstab as I was just swapping it out for a better spell.

[@da_boi]

Using the stealth for demo knight is the best, you chase ppl around but they don’t see you, and you die thinking it’s a bug

[@Smokey_2603]

You did forget that pyros can extinguish the afterburn from fireball, you can’t really recover from bleed. Only through health packs, respawn locker, and friendly medics or heavy’s lunchboxes

[@Soneone.]

let me tell you, the tiny rat spell (minify) with the dragon's fury is NUTS. it's SO FUN and can be very deadly if the enemy is grouped up. I don't find aiming in third person that hard honestly but it can get annoying with hitscan weapons

[@Kyezoar]

This just reminded me how I was able to get a kill using the jump spell.... as Sniper. Pretty much: Heavy appears, starts fighting the other Heavy, I see them and use my spell, Try to bodyshot them, miss, land behind them, killed them with the Bushwacka, No Jarate. This is the only time I've ever done something useful with that spell. 6 Years of playing mind you.

[@transhumanistgamer8963]

Personally I think you're underselling knocking people off the map in bumper cars. 1. It leads to less enemies contesting the objective, which is really useful in collecting the ducks and soccer match. 2. It's actually kind of difficult to respawn once knocked off because everyone is moving around super fast and focused on the objective while you move as a super slow ghost. It's very rare to find anyone willing to stop so you need to basically try to anticipate where a team mate is heading and have them run into you. Worse yet, it's possible to get knocked around by an enemy as a ghost which could end up preventing you from touching a team mate entirely. 3. The more enemies are knocked off, the difficulty of respawning becomes exponentially worse while the ease of your team getting points becomes exponentially higher.

[@ori6n]

we need that rtd tier list

[@shybandit521]

Ball O Lightning is very funny on helltower because the cliff is so big and also I can expect to see some really nice clips of carrying an entire enemy team directly on top of a massive sticky trap you placed as soon as you notice that you've noticed you've got ball o lightning. Still not as much of a free win as anything in powerful, so the placement is accurate.

[@Ooogadaboogadayayaya69nice]

Fun Fact: Shadow warp is also available on Sandcastle, the best recent Scream Fortress map