[TF2] The Versus Saxton Hale Tier List

Some guy fights off foul, feverishly freaks including a half naked Aussie, some drunk in a bunny costume, a jack-o-lantern and not one but two outdated references. He fought them so much in fact, he scientifically optimized the best way to kill them and to be killed by them.
Time Stamps;
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The rankings for the tiers in this video is not 100% certain, I would and probably would say that Medic is more of a high B class while Engineer fits in A, really Soldier is without a doubt the best class in this game due to his versatility, he outperforms Spy, Demo, Pyro and Scout for Damage and is defiantly a safer option, I would be hesitant to say his Knockback is equal to Engineers or the Heavy however.
The original idea and tier list image used in the video was made way back when in October, before I even made that horrendous Iceberg Video, meaning my understanding of both the game, and more so my channel, is drastically different now... seriously I must have been on meth to think Soldier belongs in A tier and not S.
Also because I know someone will mention it in the comments, I deliberately did not consider Goomba stomps in the thought process of where people belong on this tier list, reasons being that not every server has them and they drastically alter the game for every class. The amp was included because, although it's a common staple on VSH servers, Engineer doesn't change too much without it, he becomes much better at locking points with it, but it doesn't really alter the point of him as much as a Goomba stomp would.
On two unrelated notes;
Poopy Joe is hiding and haunting somewhere within this video, be the first one to timestamp his location in addition to where he is, to have your loadout appear in the next video.
Example: At 6 minutes and 15 seconds, inside the trashcan.
And the next video will be "Why People Hate Demo" which won the popular vote... whenever I did that poll, SpaceGuy not TimeGuy, I don't keep track of that kinda stuff.

[@doctoroktoberfest7840]

Adding time stamps for you so you don’t have to do it yourself. 0:00: intro 2:27: pyro 5:08: demo 6:28 bunny 8:11: heavy 10:19: spy 13:06: headless horseman 15:33: scout 17:57: lucksman 19:48: demo knight 21:23: soldier 23:13: medic 25:18: saxton hale and cbs 26:48: engineer 30:28: sniper 32:17 vagineer 33:01 end

[@SpaceGuyOnline]

Real one

[@doctoroktoberfest7840]

@@SpaceGuyOnline yup

[@theconductoresplin8092]

@@SpaceGuyOnline This is really helpful thank you very much

[@sgas]

@@SpaceGuyOnline put them in the description

[@Mdb313]

@@SpaceGuyOnline you forgot the robo saxtron

[@wizardlycash2507]

Okay, I legit seen myself, in a clip and started to laugh because I was standing there shooting my pistol at the boss as a engie.

[@crep50]

When did you show up?

[@imbob99999]

When

[@maxgoose707]

Doing god’s work

[@vivelespatat2670]

Cheap damage is free damage

[@mememan5130]

When and where?

[@winster32]

15:33 One thing I wanna add alongside for Scout. The Boston basher/ Three Rune Blade can be used to build up Uber with your medics. (It’s a trick most pros use in usual TF2 but it can also be applied here in VSH) It can also be used to explore and get into places Hale either A: needs to super jump or rage in order to stop the scout from doing damage.

[@nnirr1]

Scout can also be quite effective on servers supporting goomba stomp. You can use force a nature to have tons of tries and out damage most of the team

[@baronvonpicklez2806]

does medic Really need another way to charge uber tho?

[@andrew2044]

Playing with you was so fun man, hope you're enjoying your "American Cuisine"!

[@garethbgoogle9396]

What?

[@ChaseVaccaro-ge3gk]

@@garethbgoogle9396 probably an in joke from that match.

[@Laurmachi]

I remember one time I was playing VSH and I was the Easter Bunny. When I used my special, it glitched and it just gave me the normal Grenade Launcher to use as much as I like... There was no survivors.

[@seraphim6245]

He should make a new tier for the official VSH gamemode

[@LazyDollsArt]

Man this footage is super nostalgic, used to play this mode and these maps all the time. Also I remember Pyro used to be pretty good due to pre-nerf reserve shooter critting the hale when they were in the air at all, even when they were jumping.

[@mumbus1180]

i have been playing VSH since 2014 and it's legit the only game mode i play. Although i don't agree with everything you say in this video, i still really appreciate that a proper in-depth analysis has been made on this game mode.

[@marjar___7121]

I agree with you mr mumbus sir +rep

[@ir0nxh3art]

Lol i saw you in a server playing hybrid knight. Bruh you fucking solo that boss

[@ravels700]

I agree, demo with pipes charge and highlander are high tier, same for spy, medic and engineer. A good spy, medic, engi or demo can easily deal more than 10'000 dmg solo

[@tems9552]

-rep, called me the n word for playing demo man

[@tems9552]

@@marjar___7121 -rep bad medic

[@itashimasen4868]

The Easter bunny in an enclosed room.... his rage would be quite deadly since the stun from the rage makes it difficult to escape

[@voidwalkerbruh7426]

And the greamdes dear god

[@mango2076]

Hey, literally my favorite tf2 youtuber!! Let’s watch this baby!

[@Pachiku93]

The server I used to play in limited the number of engineers to 3, they're that good. I still remember the time I was able to telefrag a Hale. Good times

[@MrSwaggington]

You forgot the gas passer explosive buff plugin for some vsh servers. 500-600 base damage when anyone hits a gassed boss (plus afterburn) makes pyro REALLY good with gas passer. Using the dragons fury helps build the gas meter fast and most bosses will ignore you until it's too late. Admittedly the explosive plugin is needed, but it's surprisingly good for servers that have it.

[@bside4131]

so basically pyro has his explode on ignite upgrade but jacked the fuck up

[@MrSwaggington]

@@bside4131 Yep. And anyone is able to proc the effect when the boss is doused. It takes a bit long to charge the gas theoretically, but the initial burst and afterburn is usually enough to fill half the meter.

[@weegeegaming2201]

I hope your ready to make a sequal for the new vsh mode they added

[@VHM1313]

1. I know I’m late 2. The way you explained your placement of classes in a tier list is a satisfying way that, in some way, should work with every other tier list video out there.

[@edrickthegreat9497]

Skail actually blacklisted the loose cannon as a strategy often used was having around 10 demos with the loose cannon and proceed to turn the hale into a pin ball

[@captainnickname293]

I just realized, why is the Hakurei Shrine one of the maps? That's really cool, love seeing more connections between the TF2 and Touhou communities

[@no_to_handles]

Should take each of the hale boss' hp in consideration With Hale having the most hp And announcer having the least Also in oce, sniper dmg is nerfed to 100-300 And bazaar got insanely good if you can land headshots

[@Three_Cubed]

Is that Joe Mamma between the cracks at 14:38?

[@SpaceGuyOnline]

Yes it is. Congrats you've located the dead monkey ghost. If you just wanna reply to this with your loadout and preferred class.

[@Three_Cubed]

@@SpaceGuyOnline Eyyy nice :) Thanks for doing this sort of thing, is good for community involvements. Preferred Class: Demoman/Caberknight Cosmetics (All are painted Indubitably Green): Spiky Viking (Sticky Style) Double Dynamite Menpo (Yuurei) Weapon Loadout: Iron Bomber Splendid Screen Ullapol caber Can't wait to be slap chopped in the 'Why People Hate Demo' video. Cheers again!

[@ashtongiertz8728]

Wait, what about Pyro's new JI weapons? You didn't even mention those

[@Eclipse-SSC]

Backup is OP in the normal game too. Immunity to crits making sniper and kritzkrieg useless as well as massive damage reduction.

[@supertimerip]

VS Saxton Hale is really underrated. Peeps need to play this gamemode more.

[@fear2963]

so you might need to update this

[@atpsoldat2366]

speaking from experience 2-4 engies + 3-5 heavys and soldiers is pretty much a win every time

[@areyouWISE]

I'm not sure why you didn't mention Demo's nade launcher + shield combo. At least in my experience, the shield for some reason gives crits to the launcher, boosting damage to 300 on hit with immense knockback. It's not uncommon to see a experienced player pull off a Demohybrid clutch. Anyways I appreciate this video on this classic tf2 mod. I used to play on a server that heavily rebalanced every weapon to be viable, which died after getting DDoS'd. Now, my region doesn't really have any more good vsh servers, only a server that runs a single map 24/7...

[@SpaceGuyOnline]

Hybridknight would be S tier, during the script writing phase though all I had was 3 sentences talking about him "take Demoknight but remove being screwed over after a hit as you retain a primary damage dealing weapon, takes the best of both demo styles and maximizes the damage" just kinda meh.

[@LordofHogwarts]

I don't know how much you've played Saxton Hale, but there is so much wrong with what you've said and especially the tier lists of the classes. Every class can be S tier depending on the team composition, map and the boss. Pyro is definitely an S class if played properly, as a support, not so much as a damage dealer. He saves people from rages, he jumps in from a safe range and out of rage range and constantly ruins Hale's plans. His new airblast is even more annoying because it easily destroys Hale jumps and it's impossible to strafe after you were airblasted. Every time you're pushed you're an easy target for snipers, backstabs, market gardens and more. It's the most annoying class to deal with as a pro Hale and on some maps it's almost impossible to win against a 23 player team with a few decent pyros. I won't comment on much more, but I have played the game mode for most of my 5k hours in the game since 2011 and I do feel like an expert on the matter because I've played on many servers and lived to see their beginnings and ends, and I still play today. The work you put in is admirable, but your tactics and knowledge isn't. I am happy you've discussed the mode and shared your opinions and promoted it on YT, so thank you and I hope my criticism didn't sound too bad.

[@zolter2717]

sniper is behind the tree under the solders arm pit

[@opertik4129]

I love how vagineer's rage% says egar% egaR = Rage backwards

[@JustSomeBrazilian]

30:53 sniper is in the trees on the right

[@oo9068]

Spy main can be really OP with his trickstabs

[@misterjersey5460]

23:17 A old version Weapons Depot!? Interesting.

[@brimp4989]

Dude weapons depot is cancer because literally everyone would go sniper and if you weren’t hhh or killed most of them before they got on your spawn was just a loss

[@maddieb4384]

your name is so familiar, were you part of the amino? i havent been on there in ages but i think i remember your name

[@OwnZar]

"The Heavy has a minugun. Miniguns shoot bullets pretty fast. And bullets hurt a lot" Can't fight the facts.

[@drbibhis7345]

21:28 what is that maps name? I used to play it all the time and loved it

[@taklampan650]

Dust Showdown!

[@drbibhis7345]

@@taklampan650 thank you!

[@fivecent4614]

For me, when I go Scout, I use the Back Scatter, Cleaver, and the Wrap Assassin, giving me a loadout designed to be a hit-and-cause-bleed-while-running style

[@ElectroLXR]

BS underrated, high damage without needing to stop movement using CAC or taunting. Also, most hales wont notice since some are very ignorant and dont check their backs until they get backstabbed, which means its like a less damage but silent Backstab. Gotten over 4000 damage only using BS. I usually go Sandman to slow down hale to help my teammates get away.

[@nmotschidontwannagivemyrea8932]

Are the Thermal Thrusters not a decent mobility option for Pyro?

[@owlfy9988]

I just discovered Dragon's Fury and The Gas Passer for max dmg.

[@mattiedee1037]

despite a great list overall, there were some classes like pyro, stock demo and heavy that just didnt hit with me in this one. Pyro: while still not a good class in vsh, an F tier placement for him is a big underrating (if you're playing with the right loadout). Using stock/backburner guarantees a better afterburn damage, as for an escape option you use the detonator, you should never airblast in vsh but instead do a short flare jump to gain distance, and during that distance you poke him with the detonator until the boss gives up chasing on you, in the end you still won't get a massive damage but you'll still secure a decent damage without dying or giving the boss free rages. Given that he should be at least between D/C tier Stock demo: this is the class i got one my biggest damages in vsh and i was shocked he was placed so low, mainly because of stick trapping and stick spamming so i didnt quite get it why you "dont recommend placing traps" because the boss might just bait it, it's pretty often to hit trap detonations as it's pretty risky for bosses to fix their attention to a certain player without rage when the entire server is focusing on them (and the trap shouldn't be inside a closed space with you in it like it was shown in the video), if the boss super jumps your trap just go to the other side, if he tries to bait wait for him to walk over instead of detonating early, but if he rages, well, it's game over. While you dont hit traps you stick or pipe spam him, it racks up so much damage that it compensates for traps. He should be at least between C/B tier Heavy: theres not much to talk about, everything you said is mostly true but you forgot to mention heavy's effectiveness changes drastically depending on the map, specifically maps with jump pads like oilrig and crevice, if u spam jump pads u turn just as mobile as other classes AND the boss since they get the same velocity in jump pads, every time i spammed jumpads with heavy on crevice and oilrig i was one of the final survivors and it was so much fun, no tier change suggestions tho.

[@OutlawedPoet]

stock demo's effectiveness depends heavily on the map in my opinion. on skyhigh resort a good stock demo is an absolute detriment because he can just set up a sticky trap near the platform where hale respawns at if he falls off the map, therefore causing insane damage and pretty much forcing the hale to target him

[@randomnothingness6557]

I'm going to disagree with Pyro's placement. He should be in E tier. He defenetly has all the problems you said but he has two saving graces, The Back Burner and The Scorch Shot. The Back Burner makes you into a flank heavy, burst damage class that relies on jukes to deal reasonably high damage. The Scotch Shot (w/ Phlog) allows you to at least pester the Hail and mess with his movement and to at least steadily get MMMPH. He's still bottom tier but at least give him some credit he can some thing well.

[@OlWest05]

Fun fact: since bleed stacks in tf2 the smg causing bleed on hit is op

[@Harsh_Noise]

Pyro bros... will we ever catch a break?

[@SpaceGuyOnline]

When the Zombie Escape Fortress comes out.

[@atomgoat5722]

Mom I see my self! 0:38 Bruh and its my favorite saxton hale server!

[@michal4538]

Waiting for part 2 the 2023 summer update one

[@Timotheeee1]

I once did 30k damage in saxton hale x10 with machina sniper, I miss that gamemode

[@snartle]

i played this gamemode a lot a while ago when i was a baby in tf2

[@bekimpedersenali2620]

Hey could you provide sauce on the music you used in the video. If you remember them that is

[@ihatethatyoutubedisplaysyo8106]

Love playing classic demoknight Edit: also, the Classic is super underrated, having a full charge shot without having to aim is so useful when theres 600 projectiles and 3 trolldiers constantly flying onscreen is such a godsend.

[@TryJesusNotMy]

100 years before: Most powerfull world countries. 2022: Most powerfull Saxton Hale's bosses.🐗🤌🏽

[@LizardOfOz]

The original creators of VSH here, want to share some facts: 1)Amplifier was added deliberately as a way to encourage people to group together, because when people are scattered all over the place, the Boss pretty much always wins. At least it was the case back in 2011. 2)Since the Amplifier was pretty much everywhere, the damage curve was designed with the assumption of having the AMP. Same with the Taunt Crits and the Goomba Stomp. 3)There was a plugin that allowed people to respawn, having the shared pool of lives across the team. Each player had their own respawn cooldown that increased with each death, preventing one person from eating the entire life pool. For some reason nobody used or maintained it. Personally, having to spectate the match if you've died early on was a huge issue of this gamemode in my eyes. 4)There was a plugin that added a giant explosive barrel for the Demoman in place of a sticky launcher - it had the rage meter you have to fill by dealing damage and a 5 second fuse and dealt like 2000 damage in a decent radius. Lost to time, I guess. 5)HHH Jr was made in less than a day for the Halloween event, which resulted in rather poor game design. 6)Vagineer was originally made for the April 1st Update and was the first ever boss besides Saxton Hale. Btw, his rage range is lower (at least it used to be when I was around), with the intention to make him more specialized on taking down sentries and scouts, rather than a group of players like Saxton can. 7)Originally, the Boss used to one-shot everything but ubered players. While it's makes sense lorewise, removing this opened much more possibilities. Like, not making the overheal completely useless. 8)Pyro used to have x2 damage than normal. For some reason it didn't stick. Crits were x2 too.

[@blok3133]

thats cool

[@ProbablyaPurplePerson]

U are amazing

[@Rhynx]

Is the reanimator/revives based off of fact 3 listed here?

[@Arby6969]

I love the amplifier

[@littlebadassgaming]

Hey, I wanted to say. I'm honestly really happy I met you, dude. I used to play VSH and FF2 for days at a time, and I still do. But, if you don't mind me asking. 1. What ever happened to that barrel plugin for the demo? Is it still around? Maybe I could convince the folks at Skial to implement it in someway. 2. Ditto for the respawn plugin. 3. Was the X2 Damage for the pyro intended on purpose for his weak damage output? I feel as though I'm constantly dealing damage with crits, etc. But I always end up with less than 3k. 5. Would you believe the Gas-Passer essentially stole the barrel idea for demoman, when it was introduced and given it's own MVM Explosion in VSH?

[@puppyking314]

So underrated KZbinrs are making underrated tier lists for underrated modes now huh?

[@SonofTiamat]

Does it seem like the TF2 KZbin community isn't as big as it once was, or is it still as big as it ever was?

[@JcoleMc]

@@SonofTiamat when was the last time , you saw a lazy purple video

[@SonofTiamat]

@@JcoleMc I only ask because it seems like it was bigger in 2015-2016. Not saying I'm right, just genuinely curious

[@RobertFJr]

I'm seeing more up and coming tf2 channels. Even with the game under attack by basement dwellers, it still manages to pull peak player numbers. Also more people have been driven to playing community servers, which means the game can thrive without Valve's 'help.'

[@theamazingtoast9606]

Underrated Comment

[@xavibun]

I think it's funny when I play as spy in this gamemode, backstab the boss once, then die instantly.

[@1TheVelociraptor]

just like in the normal game

[@ghastlygibus2121]

Thats why i use the enforcer and crits

[@ghoulbuster1]

That's why big earner is so useful, you can run faster than hale after a backstab

[@ral-xk7qb]

kuna, after back stab you can survive 1 hit

[@user-fe8gx3ie5v]

No f*rries.

[@SMACKDOWN111]

also a weapon I find underused for sniper, the Bazaar Bargain. You can get heads for the quicker charge time on headshots, so you can match the Sydney Sleeper's charge time with only 3 headshots

[@ZenithBreeze]

It really is. Once, I hit 9 heads on the enemy, I do not remember what map I was in, but it had this huge tall soot in the middle of a lot of green areas, the boss can barely reach me with 2 super jumps, which proves how op it was. I kept pepereing the boss, scoring about 8000 damage, I did die though at the very, very end, since he was a couple of fully charged shots away from losing. Carried my team that day for the first and last time. Love it.

[@Crimsn_]

Bazaar bargain snipers are everywhere. I dunno what you mean.

[@SMACKDOWN111]

maybe its just the server i play on i find that stocks and sydney sleepers are way more common

[@pinneqple_5060]

Bazaar bargain is banned almost every where(replaced with stock rifle)

[@ZenithBreeze]

I used to play on the panda community servers, Bazaar was not banned, I would usually run it or the huntsman in small tight maps

[@SockEater4293]

I feel like this is gonna get more popular once VSH finally works. You just watch.

[@neoraptor_]

well i just got this in my recommended randomly and I honestly thought it was a new video at first, so probably

[@whoopas312]

this tier list is mostly outdated now anyways. pyro is no longer f tier cuz there is no rage and there are no weapon bans

[@REDOYSTERCULT302]

It happened

[@jenniferjones9695]

Pyro is still the worst because the flamethrower not doing anything he does like 600

[@Newbmann]

​​@@whoopas312pyro also lost the mega detonator/flare gun which was by far pyros best weapon Oh also phlog damage resistance doing hurts Pyro as well so mmph in not personal battalions to go mental with. So pros viability kinda evens out You got one big general change to the class in exchange for alot of pyros best options getting nerfed.

[@he3004]

Pretty sure medic is S, especially when each crossbow shot deals 400 damage and he somehow keeps his uber when his medigun isn't out and ubersaw maxes out his uber instantly

[@Buglin_Burger7878]

Not really, think about what the Medic's Ubers actually help with. Makes a single person invincible for a few seconds which only matters if the boss is targeting that person and no one else is near... in which case the boss can just wait around and hard punish you by using anything when your Uber ends or Super Jump away. You can give people crits... but who does these crits actually help? Soldiers and Demos will empty their weapon in the 3 second taunt window meaning wasted Crit Uber reloading... This pretty much leaves Heavies who are slow and have trouble hitting at range and do best when the boss is close TO YOU... or you could have been any class and got those 3 seconds of taunt crits and have an escape tool. So then you have a Crossbow, which if you're hitting with that consistently... well congrats the boss likely is a bad player or you'd be better as a Soldier to provide a Battalion's Backup to your entire team as an effective team wide Uber. The 400 damage seems impressive till you factor in the DPS other classes can offer. Medics work well against bad boss players... but against better ones they are able to be ignored and are a wasted team slot. If teams stick close enough to make use of being able to Uber the boss's target without flaw for the Uber's duration it leaves teams vulnerable to Rage or other mechanics and if you want to provide healing for your TEAM there is a Soldier Weapon which provides healing for the team. The Soldier provides everything a Medic can do and can be a viable alternative... which is why they are in the same tier. Compare this to the Engi who gives his team Healing or Crits... his team an escape tool... a Sentry which slows the boss's assault. Tools which act as a physical wall. Comparatively Medics are weak... hence not S tier.

[@mrdeadmemes]

@@Buglin_Burger7878 this all implies that the boss is constantly making the best possible decisions likely, since they aren't an ai, they are not, and will either wait until the Uber ends (giving your team time), or not perfectly dodge the ubered player. that's without even mentioning overheal, which is a complete gamechanger, letting your team not get 1 shot by the boss. yeah, medic isn't as good as engineer, but you just waiving away everything medic can do as being 'not good as engi' despite engineers having to choose between a dispenser or amplifier, of which are completely stationary, so a smart boss (like you were mentioning) would simply target and destroy, likely then killing a few of the dozen players crowding around it, i have to say no. medic, in the right circumstance, is equally as good as engineer. if they weren't, it wouldn't matter, because that's not the point of the character. engineer gives area denial and damage support. medic gives health support.

[@daletaylor4242]

Question, what if you get 3 Medics? What about 4? 5?

[@vivelespatat2670]

@@daletaylor4242 most servers have a class limit of 3 Medic, I can only imagine how 15 medic would deal with the boss

[@Aaa-bi8ly]

@@vivelespatat2670half blutsauger/ubersaw, half healing, some will fling between the two

[@stevesabba2379]

24:18 *saving teammates*

[@pantuternik]

What's funny about this?

[@dabestike7159]

@Pantuternik because he didn’t hit the crossbow shot and the the sniper died

[@pantuternik]

@@dabestike7159 Ah, okay i see

[@BigguBosu117]

As a boss, you can escape the huntsman's taunt by doing taunts like conga, forcing the huntsman sniper to do the conga or just dance away from his range.

[@fixmakintosh4820]

Vsh is pay to play confirmed

[@BigguBosu117]

@@fixmakintosh4820 Also these taunts where you can cancel them at any time are useful for quick crit gain.

[@kimgkomg]

As a huntsman sniper, you can look at the boss's feet and still hit them with the taunt, although it's way easier to miss

[@PoutyBun]

I love the stupid dumbass idea of escaping an infinite loop by conga dancing away from it

[@macetasospechosa9468]

@@PoutyBun only in team fortres 2

[@average8938]

There is 1 class you missed, the "That one dude that is using lmao box on vs saxton hale" class.

[@epicassassin8502]

@@XxXThiccoModeXxX the lamo box?

[@CodenameBolts]

@@epicassassin8502 it's a hack that gives you good aim

[@rain7895]

Alone Heavy can't do much against bosses, however with Engis amplifier, Pyros pushes and Medic ubers heavy easily becomes MVP. Heavy is truly the definition of teamwork

[@tfclassicengineer1005]

Pyro just gives more rage.

[@vivelespatat2670]

Replace the Pyros with Engineer or Heavy for even more knockback and damage.

[@CobaltDraco]

Ouch, when did HHH Jr. get nerfed? I remember playing VSH a long while back and that stun on teleport was NOT a thing, which made the teleport downright terrifying. It often made fighting HHH Jr. a race against time, as enough teleports would simply whittle down the red team to nothing.

[@Rodrigo-kq3js]

yeah they also nerfed the teleport on any custom bosses, so you cant kill that ONE MOTHERFUCKING SNIPER CAMPING ON A ROCK okay but seriously this is why you dont use bosses that teleport unless there's only a few players its better to just super jump

[@vivelespatat2670]

I'll say on that map called vsh_reservoir_v2, HHH Jr. (The map used for the Sniper tier) can build up immense speed by climbing walls and strafing, outspeeding even SH's Super Jump.

[@taklampan650]

This is the tier list I’ve been waiting for

[@MsElViktor]

One funny thing about me and TF2 is that, i have more than 1000 hours in this game but im wost than an gibus player when im playing any normal game mode. Almost 90% of the time i spent with this game was in custom servers/games mod. I fucking love it.

[@OutlawedPoet]

I have 650 hours yet I am only casual level 17 because all I play is community servers. funny enough I have hundreds of hours poured into deathrun yet I still suck at most maps on the server that I usually play

[@scumknight6074]

As long as you’re having fun in this game, you don’t have to worry too much about losing.

[@OutlawedPoet]

@@scumknight6074 that's true. my favorite deathrun map of all time is dr pirate adventure fix which is a really difficult parkour map, and even though it's my favorite, I absolutely suck at it. I was close to beating it one time though

[@K11LSCR33N_]

treat every heavy as a hale trust me it works all the time

[@eur0be4t3r]

Same, I mostly play Jailbreak

[@thespyfromteamfortress2149]

You should've mentioned that the Pyro can push the hale into map hazards, sometimes into certain doom. HHH Jr. can climb the Skyhigh building you were talking about by standing a bit further from the roof. The Remains of the King sentry strat you mentioned can be stopped by using weighdown to push against the sentry's knockback.

[@SpaceGuyOnline]

Fair enough, map hazards are pretty rare in VSH maps and even if a boss does fall into one, unless it's his first match, he'll just super duper jump out of it or if hes being knocked back into it, a quick charge super jump to jump out of it before taking damage. But yeah I guess that's technically noteworthy enough to bump Pyro into E tier.

[@thespyfromteamfortress2149]

The DeGroot map has a powerful one, it's just tricky to get the hale near you since it is a pretty useless spot for any other class in my eyes. Oh, also Volcanic.

[@brimp4989]

You could also do the little known strat of not charging your super jump all the way to just get over the edge and be grounded before he sentry can push you back. I swear I was the only one on my server that did this.

[@thespyfromteamfortress2149]

@@brimp4989 Using weighdown on top of a sentry seems more reliable to me

[@hretokimiko3957]

There is also dragons fury. It is a very powerful weapon being able to deal around 300 damage per shot.

[@Great_Blue]

Great video! I was going to make one of these for VSH eventually, but seeing as someone beat me to the punch, I do want to add some weigh in: First of all, VSH is a hard mode to talk about since there are so many different versions with minor differences between them. For instance, I've played on servers that give Pyro a super flare jump, which significantly affects his mobility. I feel like there's a lot of minor differences to talk about though so I can understand keeping things brief. With that in mind, I'd argue that Pyro in most of his incarnations is far from F. If you pair him with an Engineer, every spot becomes a jump spot since you can deny Hale access to the Engineer via airblast. If you have a good Pyro who knows not to spam airblast, I could see him being at least C for the potential support he could provide. HHH also has a longer melee range than the rest of the Hales since he uses the Headtaker as his base weapon. This is extremely good for winning matchups like Demoknight since you have even range, but it also gives you a ton of leniency when fighting fast classes like Scout and Soldier. I've alao personally never seen a server that doesn't have the wall climb mechanic, and with practice I find it to be almost as versatile as a super jump. HHH also excels at destroying cheesy maps since he can instantly deny Engineers and Demos the ability to camp. Engineers will build a dispenser and sentry first if they're playing right, so you have a bit of time to attack them before they can have a teleporter set up. Additionally, using a teletrap means that Engineers can't have an escape teleporter set up, so it's a lot easier to brute force your way into nests. I'd consider him around B, though he does take practice and not many like to play without a super jump so I don't see many people pick him. Other than that, great video, and I hope that these community server tier lists continue to pop up!

[@Kryogenix2]

Yeah it's a complicated tier list

[@philipgelderblom6878]

Weapon reskins in tf2...

[@BrickiestBrick]

mark my words i will find poopy joe one of these days

[@ghoulbuster1]

Hybrid-knight is the strongest demo. By using tide turner, the eyelander and the primary of your choice, you can have huge damage crit nades from the shield and enough risk to charge into hale and get a swing to build up the 4 heads. With enough practice, you will consistently achieve top damage without dying.

[@axell15thewispmaster79]

Uuuuuuuuhhhhhh. You might wanna make a redo for this. Because it's an actual game mode in TF2 now

[@memes_the_dna_of_the_soul5487]

The Offical VSH. Differences. There are no AMP's or crits after taunting (i think). Uber works the same. Boss (Saxton Hale) Saxton's been going to the gym, or something. But he's got some new attacks, he has the Mantread's on passively. He can also charge up a lunging punch, able fly across the map by sheer strength. He also has a devestating Left hook, able to clean anyone's clock. Also he can ground pound, able to inflcit damage and fling people away. An improtant thing is that there is no rage mechanic, but saxton is basically immue to knockback outside of weapons that solely inflict it. Also, no weapon is blacklisted, but scout only has two jumps, even with the Atomizer.

[@tailsmonster12]

coulda sworn I was triple jumping in casual vsh yesterday. But even so, that thing with the atomizer has got to be an oversight, right?

[@shark-kaboom8813]

That scout part is incorrect

[@michaeljo9384]

Also the classes and weapons are more balanced. The Caber, Vita-saw, every stock weapons except Bottle (for demoknight), Kukri and Wrench for Heavy, Eviction Notice, Hitman's Heatmaker now have actual uses outside meme weapons or nerfing yourself with bad weapons at least better due to all melees get knockback on hit + 25% deployment speed + ability to wall climb (and higher with the caber or faster with Eviction Notice) and those weapons get a buff or it's alternative in same weapon slot get a nerf, sniper isn't overpowered with his +200% bodyshot damage and outline on hit removed and Engineer no longer have Amplifier to basically triple nearby teammates's damage and remove fall-off damage with only downside of no health and ammo dispensed, taunts doesn't give you crits so you aren't forced to have taunts that can be stoped at any time to optimise it, Crits doesn't delete the boss as fast because Hale has 25% crit resistance, Miniguns have 40% damage penalty and Sentry Guns have 50% damage penalty as they deal too much damage. Rocket Jumper and Sticky Jumper no longer has ammo bonuses so Hale can eventually catch up to them or wait 4 minutes to capture the point instead. Some weapons such as the Gas Passer are still bad so the weapons isn't perfect balanced but the imbalance are reduced.

[@lechefjuancarlos]

Unironically, pyro is the guy who fought against sax all alone in meet the amazing pyro. he did not win, he needed soldiers help. and then sax came back to life.

[@epicassassin8502]

That’s also a parody of a borderline self parody that is the tf2 comics

[@mateuszmarciniak2828]

Just yesterday I played VSH Nucleus and a group of Pyros really bullied Saxton, having the team deal significant amount of damage.

[@SpaceGuyOnline]

Talking about V-Script Saxton not Plug-In Saxton. They're two completely separate things

[@thegalaxyray8558]

There was a new boss added to the first map you played in, and he looks really good, its basically a robot Saxton hale whos special turns him into a sentry buster.i don't know if he is only in that server, but he is there lol

[@Rodrigo-kq3js]

its a custom boss, i THINK hes just saxton hale but his rage turns him into a sentry

[@ZorotheGallade]

@@Rodrigo-kq3js That thing is crazy. Basically Hale but after stunning players you can just kill them all in one hit.

[@Loner098]

Where exactly should the Robo Saxtron Hale sit on this tier list?

[@voyagerslav4533]

Pyro is the only class who can still defend himself when being stunned by using "execution" taunt.

[@SpaceGuyOnline]

Sniper with the Huntsman Spies with any knife Scout with most bats Demo with any sword Medic with the Ubersaw Heavy with fists Engineer with the gunslinger or frontier justice Soldier in a last hurrah with the escape plan or equalizer Out of those including Pyro, only the huntsman and Ubersaw are worth going for since they actually stun the boss and not just damage him.

[@toxic_shr00m]

@@SpaceGuyOnline On spy, the spycicle can't tauntkill, as it uses the revolver taunt, but yeah.

[@d1amondsquare019]

@@toxic_shr00m why would you use spycicle, when there litteraly no way of getting fire damage in saxton hale.

[@toxic_shr00m]

@@d1amondsquare019 Not the point. They said "any knife" so I corrected them. Also only two scout melees tauntkill, not most.

[@d1amondsquare019]

@@toxic_shr00m welp an stupid correction, seriously spycicle is useless in vsh.

[@Zephal0]

on a server i was on the battalion's backup summons dead players as bat scouts, its funny but quite useless

[@besnick]

Actually, it could be very useful, distracting the boss while reviving other players/getting crits/getting uber/escaping

[@infintefenix9944]

Do you know what the server is called ?

[@HellcatMonkey]

@@besnick i think he meant enemy scouts like scouts that attack the players

[@blueyandicy]

@@HellcatMonkey no, he means friendly scouts that only have a bat

[@crudkip4326]

if the bfb isnt blacklisted, use it. its extremely helpful because its easy to get boost with the cleaver and wrap assasin, and losing boost is really hard because youll be one shotted anyway, and double jumping doesnt matter because you can just get the boost again easily

[@brimp4989]

God please don’t encourage that. BFB is more annoying than snipers on vsh_toys

[@nieto00]

I played on a Sever that had the bfb able to be equipped and it just gave a short speed boost with no movement speed penalty I think if you hit a meatshot.

[@kruncher_]

Never thought there would be a meta for this Gamemode And yet here we are

[@marah4847]

29:23 does this man play without quickswitch?

[@maestrofeli4259]

what is that

[@devlintaylor9520]

@@maestrofeli4259 it makes you switch weapons like any other fps game, it took me a while to find out that that was an option you could turn off

[@maxthemachine3894]

I love these 1 looped 3 times spy clip

[@sabo1789]

"On top of that, your airblast can greatly annoy your teammates" Is that not why you play Pyro..?

[@maskedrecruit4571]

One saving grace I will say for pyro is that on maps with pools of water, a pyro with airblast can force the Hale or whoever to stay in the water and swim so they don't have nearly as much mobility. I've done it a few times before and it can completely stall the boss' progress for as long as you can keep them in.

[@MuichirouTokito416]

Especially if you have Neon Anihilator to use in those map having water

[@thewholeofdainland256]

I know this was 8 months ago but pyros placement pissed me off. No mention of the gas passer or dragons fury. The gas passer has explode on ignite, which deals 350 damage. Assuming one isn't a coward, tou get the gas passer back like every 20 seconds at most. The dragons fury requires a little bit of aim, but 80 damage per hit on burning target is really good for damage. If Hale doest target you right off the bat, you can rack up a lot of damage. I've personally gotten to around 3,000. Pretty high and consistent if Hale doesn't have a burning hatred for you.

[@thunderspark1536]

​@@thewholeofdainland256Not to mention crits stack with the triple damage of hitting lit enemies.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Oh wow, a couple Pyros to keep the boss swimming and a bunch of heavies to rain fully automatic hellfire from the shorelines should work. Add engies to for ammo and things become a slaughter.

[@Moss_Dude]

Remake the video sometime?

[@Suddsy11037]

I'd love to see an updated list for the current official vsh

[@the-leso-jd172]

We need vsh official version tier list

[@badguy3602]

I believe that all classes are able to express themselves in different ways. There are maps where there are many or few first-aid kits and ammo. Classes that can quickly escape by spending HP will feel great on the map with a large number of first-aid kits, but with a small number of them, they will not be able to easily escape

[@Elrond623]

This video just got a whole lot more relevant. Also I was just watching this right before the update was dropped

[@supermaximglitchy1]

they made the pyro bad for this game mode and adding an extra ubersecond for the vagineer with airblast if it removed a second then pyro could be ranked a little higher

[@vierzehn575]

just a little??? vagineer rage would be made near useless by a pyro

[@supermaximglitchy1]

@@vierzehn575 it’s just 1 second

[@vierzehn575]

@@supermaximglitchy1 just fucken spam airblast

[@supermaximglitchy1]

@@vierzehn575 nah it’s just 1 boss so pyro would still be low

[@dedenail]

you forgot to mention that goomba stomping is very effective, so playing scout with the force a nature is really fun, trying to get altitude on the boss and then dropping down on him is always fun, especially if you juke them as well. best loadout would be force a nature, bonk (if not black listed, if it is use the winger) and the atomizer

[@ckinggaming5bucketmadness766]

The only reason I don’t want to play vsh with ransoms, is because if you can’t respawn, you’ll spend most of your time dead, and it isn’t fun when you are just dead for basically forever

[@BossKnight]

Time to re do this lol

[@Intrafacial86]

*[Hybrid knight]:* “Am I a joke to you?” Seriously, unless things have changed since I last played, equipping a shield but keeping your grenade launcher means unlimited crits for your pills. The shield means you can dash or trimp away, and an eyelander (or reskin) means getting heads for bonus health and speed. I pretty much exclusively played hybrid knight back in the day, always placing in the top three damage dealers. This subclass easily belongs in A-tier.

[@brimp4989]

Dude tide turner and loose canon with max eye lander heads while also knowing how to trimp is an easy way for a boss to target you.

[@eved4718]

I feel like either you get mvp with hybrid, or you lose your shield 10 seconds in then die.

[@landlockedcroat1554]

same, loose cannon ftw

[@manthisjarisbroke9273]

for some reason christian sniper is really weak against hybrid knights

[@visa3612]

@@manthisjarisbroke9273 That's because crit pipes inflict quite a lot of knock back and cbs has no knock back resistance.

[@SuppressedSoldat]

boy this really applies to the official one.

[@fizz7710]

REDO THIS VID PLEASE

[@paybafpvzimp6296]

I disagree with pyro's placement. He can use air blast to keep the boss away from teammates and if 5 pyros and 1 damage dealer is on a team they will fucking bully Saxton hale

[@brimp4989]

Yeah nah, 5 pyros is legit just a rage dispenser at that point

[@paybafpvzimp6296]

@@brimp4989 so what they have rage they still fucking push you into a corner while the rest of the team throws all their damage at you

[@brimp4989]

@@paybafpvzimp6296 the pyros aren’t immune to rage. Even pyros that wait to flare jump in never do enough

[@brimp4989]

@@paybafpvzimp6296 unless you’re cbs then your rage should hit everyone that’s hitting you in the corner. Plus unless there’s a roof above you there’s a thing called super jump

[@TheProfProfessor]

Okay but hear me out, dragons fury and mvm buffed gas passer

[@aidenvalentine220]

I have never even heard of this gamemode. Guess I have something new to try.

[@OutlawedPoet]

play more community servers

[@cralo2569]

what claude said, there is a whole new world waiting for you in community custom maps and gamemodes

[@ihappydawnz]

i really love playing medic because i get to save a lot of people's asses when the boss rages, also I play FF2 (freak fortress 2) and medic receives 20% uber for every crossbow hit on the boss, which is pretty insane edit: 2 years later, the server i play on has removed all these things for medic sadly :( but hey there's goomba stomping now! edit 2: actually nvm it was bugged and so medic gets 20% again! but no crits so my dopamine receptors are lacking

[@erikstrindberg2520]

which server do you play on? i used to play on leathal zone with they closed theirs a couple years back

[@ihappydawnz]

@@erikstrindberg2520 I play on Skial's server

[@hittingwater4639]

actually phlog pyro is quite effective at doing damage. I still wouldn't use pyro tho lol

[@TARINunit9]

I remember a long time ago, there was a server that would automatically switch the last member of the RED team to a Pyro (fully healed and ammo restocked) because they thought Pyro was actually the _best_ match for VSH. Granted that was a while ago, there may have been lots of balance patches since then

[@theovermind6041]

lmfao

[@thegreensunsetgroup2501]

you either die a hero, or live long enough to become a pyro.

[@jadsoncaua5939]

Ok now do it again

[@nyxo7]

You didn't mention Gun Spy's potential. Deals huge damage, greater than most mercenaries and has a high survivability. The main weapon in this mode is not a knife, but a revolver that always has a mini-crits, which provides incredibly high damage from all ranges. You use the knife as a last resort or when you are sure that you can do backstab. The main feature is that you shoot the revolver all the time, and when the boss wants to kill you, you either try to trickstab him (sometimes it worth it), or you jump out on his damage ,being invisible ,by jumping right before he will hit you If you combine this with a YER it gives a reduced decloak sound volume. Boss won't be able to track you down and kill you. If you die a lot because you don't have time to charge up your watch, you can play Big Earner, which gives you speed boost and charges your watch just for hitting Boss. L'Etranger removes a VERY much damage Spy could do, so not. The Ambassador deals HUGE damage, but takes away the ability to spam the Boss, and if you don't have good aiming, you're likely to miss most of your shots. But I think you can try it. As a result, Spy is able to deal more damage than Demoknight, not as fast as he does, but is able to double the damage of Demoknight for an entire round as he is just less of a Glass Cannon. (Spy can backstab, but don't forget he has a good gun) Sorry for bad english

[@magmacube8689]

Your English is not bad, my friend.

[@nyxo7]

@@magmacube8689 I wrote this with a google translator but thanks

[@OutlawedPoet]

I find the revolver useless if the hale is mildly decent. if there's a hale constantly super jumping or flanking the enemies via super jump then it's almost impossible to hit your shots unless you're an absolute god at the revolver

[@nyxo7]

Each first shot from the revolver is 100% accurate, just point and click

[@vivelespatat2670]

Worth mentionning that the Enforcer 20% damage bonus apply while undisguised and stacks while disguised, if you have an AMP nearby and only shoot while disguised, you can do 170+ damage per shot, turning you into a diet Sniper.

[@NecroKun2403]

I almost went on a defense on Pyro but then I realized this is about the Old VSH.

[@microfrog4855]

I can't believe it took me this many years to realize Saxton's chest hair is shaped like Australia.

[@clamdeity]

24:02 "It's probably the only time this is actually useful." unsubbed and reported to the CIA smh 😤😤😤

[@SpaceGuyOnline]

What are they gonna do? Sell crack in my neighborhood and destabilize my country?