What If More TF2 Maps Had NO Invisible Walls?

[@Willty64]

Hitting the skybox while Sticky Jumping is possibly the worst thing.

[@biaxolotl5171]

Yeah

[@mejillon6211]

agreed

[@nullstudios2989]

Holy shit i Saw the profile picture and thought I commented this!

[@OkieDokieSmokie]

In Dust 514 you could literally wreck your dropship into the skybox. 0/10. Still the best game ever made

[@alexanderthepro2636]

i am ur 99th liker

[@Jacob-yg7lz]

I think the pathways between doors are just a valve tradition from how many secret under ground facilities they've made from the start. There were a ton in Half-life and you'd usually either go through them or see G-man on them.

[@tacticaltwinkies3847]

I want to go into a room players can't enter and throw up signs and messages over the game's tv's to players lol

[@beanslinger2]

it sounds like an inside joke between the mapmakers :)

[@staryoshi06]

@@beanslinger2 More like an optimisation.

[@dusty8439]

it hurts when you rocket jump really good and then a wall just says *no*

[@bruschetta7711]

It's sad not a lot of people are interested, this is my favourite one of your series by far, but i can't beg you for something that you put lots of effort just to get few views, if anything i hope you can make some of the more interesting maps opened and ready to play on one of your servers

[@SomeFreakingCactus]

As a newer player, I find these interesting, but it feels like my lack of game knowledge and map familiarity sometimes makes it harder to fully grasp these changes. I still enjoy them, though.

[@monte_2000]

It’s all relative. The vid currently has 42K views and the dude has 38K subscribers. IMO, that means the video is a success as long as views are or do surpass his current subscribers.

[@sci_pain3409]

i don’t think people aren’t watching because they’re not interested, they’re just not seeing the videos, i only got this video in my recommendations by luck of the algorithm

[@Zeraph-Zen]

In my eyes, the reason there are so many walkways that connect two doors for seemingly no reason is because it's a good way to decorate an area with little effort. Sure, it might seem odd when you actually think about it, but when you're playing the game you pay no attention to the fact that it's a bit strange, you just enjoy the game. Contrast this to if they *weren't* there and the issue may arise where people find the area feeling too empty. People very easily notice if a room is empty, you may know this yourself from playing some community maps, they don't however notice if the decor is stupid as long as it isn't distracting.

[@GogiRegion]

It always seems odd to me just because they’re everywhere and have invisible walls that you run into when rocket jumping. But of course you’re right that most people don’t notice it outside of some decoration being there.

[@nans4147]

in fact, if you think about the meaning of some rooms, they look meaningless

[@dickc.normus2406]

Maybe in-universe one side is for Blutarch and the other is for Redmond?

[@Zeraph-Zen]

@@dickc.normus2406 Wouldn't make sense since it's still the same building. It's just decor to make the world seem lived in, as while we don't really notice or pay much attention to decor, if there is no decor we *will* notice.

[@dashthatonedude]

I like to think someone (miss Pauling maybe) would stand there to watch over the fight going on without being noticeable

[@TerminaBroTheFirst]

if 2fort and dustbowl didn't had those invisible walls on the roofs maybe I would like the maps more

[@user-un2pf4ht9l]

Say hello to free2fort

[@Eira_]

honestly i think removing the fences on 2fort's mid point would actually make it a lot more fun for classes that cant easily get out of the water

[@CheeseWeegee]

Answer: It would be funny

[@tmraari8713]

hello discord mod

[@lorenzodepaoli3642]

Not functional, not good map design wise, but totally, absolutely, indoutably funny

[@familiarcommenter9289]

Yes

[@alwest4472]

Answer for most questions to do with tf2

[@davey5867]

Haha, funni sentry camping spot

[@Error_code6]

Everyone:"uses opend up parts of the maps for flank routes" Me who uses them as friendly hideouts:umm

[@itsafish1894]

Most of the out of bounds area would make good friendly spots

[@solgerWhyIsThereAnAtItLooksBad]

The worst wall is that one over the bridges in (viaduct?) Every time I rocket jump I run straight into it

[@billiam6398]

for me it’s the big corridor in dustbowl last the wall immediately at the mouth after the first point exists only to be mean to jumping explosive classes

[@shadowman_44]

I'm so glad you finally did Mountain Lab. 14:33 should be a sniper sightline since tbh this map seems like hell for them.

[@Zeraph-Zen]

Looking at how mossrock appears to have broken textures, that's most likely due to the .bsp file having the textures and perhaps some models baked in. Using BSPSource to decompile the map, you also get a choice to extract textures and models quite sure. Try that, might work.

[@Arenovas]

Yeah they gotta extract the resources. From what I remember most newer community maps just have their assets packed into the map instead of part of the base game itself. No clue when they started but I guess since at least Jungle Inferno.

[@staryoshi06]

@@Arenovas It's a common practice to make it easier to distribute. Particularly since on the workshop you can only really upload one file.

[@Arenovas]

@@staryoshi06 I was more referring to the ones included in official updates than workshop maps and such. But I think I've heard that Valve used to buy the assets in the maps as well to include in the game files itself but decided to stop doing so for whatever reason, so now they're packed into the maps instead

[@staryoshi06]

@@Arenovas They bought the TF2maps swamp pack once, then never did it again because no one used the assets. The practice of just leaving the assets packed has been done since at least invasion, cause I could never find most of those assets when making maps.

[@staryoshi06]

I think it's because back before the workshop, packing into the bsp was less common as opposed to just providing the assets, so they had to. But now that most maps are provided on the workshop, valve just uses those bsps.

[@nierzsche4848]

You should host some TF2 servers at some point and put these maps in them! It would be really interesting to play.

[@TheOwlsofSilver]

agreed.

[@Scout-Fanfiction]

It's really a shame this series didn't do as well. Not everyone has the ability/know-how to access the hammer editor, and seeing all the intricacies and hidden areas of maps is a real treat.

[@WedgeStratos]

This entire thing is a great idea for the 16v16 servers, and maybe for even the 64-player servers you can find on TF2 Classic. I'm thinking mountainlab's BLU spawn could have stairs for a sniper to use that upper nook, that gap you RJ'd from could become a teleport for the walkway between two doors on first point? I could see sniper battles between BLU spawn and first point in that. That pathway of second point is also really good, I'd be afraid of two RED engineers. Degroot Keep needs to lose Medieval mode, that's too open to be restricted. The tunnels in A and B point could be routed to the RED spawn for a more aggressive defense. The moment you lose the mode gimmick, this map needs a lot of help, and being able to quickly attack the sides would make for a much better RED side fight.

[@amberglass7397]

The thing about wiping out all clip brushes though is that maps use them for other purposes; such as making edges easier to traverse, to prevent getting stuck on props, and making staircases smooth

[@ZeppyDingus]

Definitely interested in the concept, but it'd be more interesting to see how they're abused in multiplayer instead of just a tour.

[@unspokentech5882]

Useful tip if you care about optimization at all in these videos, skip and hint brushes do not matter, they don't function as clip or invisible brushes, neither do any occluder brushes either. I respect the work you put into these videos, but not sure if you knew that those brush types don't do much, either way I enjoyed the video!

[@mexoc5006]

as well triggers, areaportals, etc...

[@hazeltree7738]

@@mexoc5006 Aren't triggers responsible for things like doors opening and spawnrooms?

[@oscarlightning_rbx]

@Mexoc Farly No, triggers and areaportals are important. Especially areaportals, they are used for optimisation so it would just lag the map more.

[@IsM1ku]

​​@@hazeltree7738 triggers are responsible for a lot of a maps and gamemodes logic working, idk much about TF2 mapping but in CSGO, buyzones, bombsites and hostage rescue zones are all just big triggers. In TF2 they're likely used for control points (the control point you see in game just being a model showing where the point is). Oh and yes they should be spawnrooms but only indicating where a spawnroom is, player spawns are separate entities

[@What_A_Shane]

This would be really interesting to play on in a server, though I'd say a grappling hook would make it more fair for other classes

[@maggarrison7746]

Always loved this series, it's so cool looking at how the maps would feel opened up. Next maps I'd want to be done would probably be Viaduct, Boreno, and Doomsday.

[@CoolPlayersVic]

Hell yeah I wanna see these again I honestly don't get why these aren't as popular I find this really interesting

[@utheemmely271]

Dude its 7 hour after upload

[@CoolPlayersVic]

@@utheemmely271 Yeah I know but in the video he said these videos aren't as popular as his other ones so I was responding to that

[@andyfriederichsen]

0:04 You'd think the creator of Highertower would work on the tops of buildings and cliffs so they aren't just invisible.

[@crazydude1814]

every door your can't get through on each pathway between two doors leads to another pathway between two doors on a different map. Who knows maybe gman exists in tf2 and he uses them.

[@TheCutePyro]

I never knew Mountain Lab is the non-Halloween version of Mann Manor.

[@The24thWight]

Damn it, I didn't find out about this until now. Honestly the Medieval mode one was the one I was most curious about. What I would like to see is some actual gameplay testing.

[@OGchickentnt]

My first video in the series, so cool! I love your mapping videos, but I’ve been binging all of your videos and they’re great.

[@GogiRegion]

I would love for this series to continue.

[@bardofvoid174]

I honestly love this series! It's really, really interesting- idk, that's all I really have to say, it's just really nice :3

[@gabrielschrader6550]

I love these, they’re very relaxing to listen to and watch. I’d be great if you did more of these. Shame people aren’t interested

[@tomc7845]

imagine sniping from the mountain half way across the map of gorge

[@bruschetta7711]

OMG you just made one of SolarLighit's domains even more scarier when facing him

[@jimmyoakmeister]

In regards to your comments about Mann Manor and Mountain Lab, the reason they're the same map but vastly different (at least compared to most Halloween maps vs the original map) is because there was a contest by Valve to add aethetics to a map they created. The end result was Mann Manor and Mountain Lab winning the contest, so both were added to the game. So Valve created the base map and then told the community to add the decorations and aesthetic on top to make it interesting. It's a pretty unique concept for adding community suggestions and ideas

[@VirtualKota]

This is the most underrated beautiful series that I've seen, and more people should watch this

[@hyron_]

mossrock has some visual glitches for me, sometimes theres some particles that appear and disappear depending how i look at them and their size is inconsistent too

[@windowedenvelope]

This version of 5gorge would be a really good vs Hale map

[@cannonfodder9248]

Notice how the bird themed icon person chooses to count windows as invisible walls

[@greenmanslabs745]

I'd love to play on a no bounds degroot server, please, make that one real! (although barriers above blu spawn walls will have to be there I suppose, or it would become unplayable)

[@neverendar1778]

I love this series, I just didn't know you were still doing it.

[@visualdrone]

i’ve never payed attention to how beautiful mountain lab is, but it’s so nice! i love the tf2 sawmill vibe

[@JakkLocke]

A spawn point and a lift / jump pad underneath the last point of gorge can help balance the attacking flank on 4 sides and spamming the only 2 doors out of defense.

[@Caragoner]

YES IM SO EXCITED! Btw, have you tried changing the default texture to fix mossrock?

[@alphads2000]

What i really learned from this video is the fact that mountain lab is non halloween mann manor and i never realized until now....

[@spyonmebaby]

current state of tf2 right now

[@Killtime1013]

Honestly, if these "invisible wall free" varients of maps were a bit more polished in terms of the going through stuff and not colliding with props/objects. It would make some maps more appealing for the movement appreciating part of the tf2 community. Especially when it comes to the cursed skybox's invisible ceilings and stuff. At least, that is my opinion.

[@quba8745]

I really like this series, how about some MVM maps for the next one ?

[@domantascerniauskas2776]

13:23 "I dont even know who would be able to get up here that's not a soldier" Demoman: Am I a joke to you?

[@moronichybrid]

I feel like Gorge would have a cp system similar to Steel. You can still capture the final point the normal way, but there would also be control points that once captured open up new routes to rush the final. An example would be the glass dome on the roof having a control point that, once captured, makes it blow up, thus making a new route where BLU can drop from and into the point.

[@Rubbly]

16:47 That Soldier scream lmao

[@dankali735]

One precaution you could implement for medieval mode when you can stand on the wood of blue spawn is that just add some kill boxes. They're wooden spikes, very deadly.

[@ZitrusCS]

I adore exploring source maps with noclip. Such a sense of mystery and freedom.

[@warlock2507]

This is really interesting stuff.

[@bowsmed]

I really wish a lot of the buildings in MVM didn't have so many invisible walls. There's a good number of spots you'd think you could stand on but you just can't, especially in Coaltown

[@NovaAconta]

I remember a halloween map, i think it's called koth_slaughter or another map that there's a lot of levels to exit the underworld that where like a motel or something like that, there was a little easter egg of a tiny little dog sitting in a chair that you could see through a door, im not soo sure about the name of the map but i think it would be cool to remove some barriers from there, also in upward if you remove the trigger_hurt you can go all the way down but the water and buldings are just skybox.

[@galegopaulista4564]

Can't wait for the new official tf2 map that will be just a lot of pathways between 2 doors.

[@Astra-1]

dude this makes the game so much more fresh

[@EVERYTHING-mb6um]

Finally someone’s doing it, it’s about time

[@minaisloading]

You can get the Assasin's Creed experience with Spy in Degroot Keep now

[@MortChrist]

I believe that the small gridded pathways with 2 doors are small Half Life references/easter eggs, if you are willing to stretch a bit.

[@Postalfried4034]

Idea, Make Degroot keep not restricted to just melee weapons

[@quonit37]

me: what is the music in the back of the video me: :listening very intensly: me: I swear I know it what is it me: :slams desk: SONIC 06 TOWN THEME

[@chronicle7329]

personally ive enjoyed this little series but if it goes, it goes. if not, even better.

[@WaffleMakerDud]

3:21 It's Over Anakin I Have The High Ground -Obi Wan Kenobi

[@techoeastveld]

Snowycoast has an entire bay that is quite cool (not intentional joke) and I have used it for a scene in gmod. Sadly it wouldn't serve much purpose other than being for roleplaying or a friendly area. Snowycoast does have other neat areas, but unlike the bay they aren't exactly fully fleshed out spaces like the bay.

[@staryoshi06]

16:35 visibility optimisation. Having open doorways would waste visleaves, and I guess they want the aesthetic of catwalks everywhere.

[@jking4854]

23:02 You could have the death camera follow your rolling head or something down there.

[@Eira_]

i'd love to see what enclosure is like fully opened up cause that map has a lot of extra details out of bounds

[@JPBTVA]

Subnautica has no invsible map boundaries, per say. If you go 2000 meters from the map's center, you reach a an invisible "Barrier" which is not physical, but marks the beginning of a point where almost all entities besides vehicles, bases and your own player model will be erased if they were last saved beyond that point if you reload the game. Once you reach about 4,000 meters, the game starts to get confused, things start breaking and your UI begins to shake violently, but otherwise things still work. Next, once you reach 8,199 meters, you reach a point where you will rapidly move down or forward, and at 8,229 meters, you are teleported back to the starter biome. This is the farthest you can get without mods or console cheats. However, you can bypass this. If you can use the warp command and the speed 0 command (Freeze time command ) to get past it. If you first freeze time and then aim to the horizon (or whereever.) and then warp approximately 8900 meters or more, you will have bypassed this barrier. However, the game will now lag intensely, your UI will be undergoing its own little spazzy self earthquake, and reality will start to degrade. Past 9,500 meters is where reality begins to truly not care. The lag is intense, and in a way that normal lag usually isn't, your UI is shaking so hard that it looks like it has both doubled in thickness and will appear very fuzzy since it is shaking so, so, so, so, much. Beyond this point, you can still move around and even build, but anything you try to artificially spawns (Creatures, plants, items, most tangible useable machines,) will not only despawn on reload, but will both lag and start to bend, twist and literally fragment as their veiwmodles start to glitch out, like a very weak black hole is pulling on them. And, as far as I know, there is no real end. It will just be endless water, sky, and you. Many of the games functions will have died, and reality will simply yeild to your poor choices and lose control over the world. I don't think there is an end to this area, and as long as you have enough patience and a powerful enough computer, you could go hundreds of thousands of meters before your computer can no longer take it. However, I have attempted to warp myself over a 200,000 meters in a single command, and well, This is how I can best say what happened: I killed it. Everything was frozen. My playermodel was nowhere to be found, my depth gauge was trying to display a number that was not only wrong, but also so long the depth gauge had tried to display it and ended up compromising with itself and causing the number to creepily enter a strange, vertical shape that proves that the depth gauge was not supposed to display any more than about a hundred thousand meters, let alone this. All I could see was dark water, and frozen, dead forms of water current effects that automatically spawn and quickly dissapear upon warping to another location, whether there is water there or not. It was broken, but it was alive. The game was functioning, and all I could hear was a soft, haunting ambient whine. What that noise was? nobody knows. But, all I could do was move my perspective around and pray that nothing more horrible was to happen then. And, once I warped back out of this hellish, deep-sea twilight zone, and into the starter biome, the game froze for a second, lagged a bit, slowed a bit, but then began to work again. Within seconds, the game was working fine, like nothing had ever happened. This shows that invisible walls don't really need to exist. But they should, they definitely should.

[@Dante901]

Yes more videos about maps without limits!

[@red_soldier7795]

You defiantly should continue this series. And if you do, you should do payload maps.

[@bardofvoid174]

20:12 I think that's the hallway between 2 doors, but instead it's a cave. It's even in medieval mode goddammit!

[@manatanks]

This is giving me the biggest game developer itch HNNG MOUNTAIN LAB IS LIKE LEFT 4 DEAD AND HALF-LIFE COMBINED

[@MortChrist]

Seeing this map philosophy throughout this 'series' in action live with a full server sounds like an interesting video concept. Is that an option for you, or would that be too much of a hassle without outsourcing the mapping work? I know Octo did something similar with his recent-ish Dustbowl video, that one turned out pretty good.

[@a9ollo653]

I think a cool map idea would be maybe a Payload map set behind RED base in gorge. I think maybe the room under last could be seen in RED’s spawn for this hypothetical map, and you can see the building for RED last as RED’s spawn in the map.

[@dexterity494]

16:40 do it do it do it do it do it I would watch the hell out of that

[@nordgeit]

6:20 You were always able to do that. One time I sentry jumped and accidentally ended up there.

[@smietankadokawy1906]

If a community server would still put in some walls so you don't fall off the map, work on collisions and all of that, I'd actually play on these maps

[@jvbutalid8316]

1:58 suffice it to say, everyone fights over the cliffs if they're that accessible

[@staryoshi06]

The issue with mossrock is because it has custom textures and models packed into the BSP. You would need to extract them using BSPsource.

[@sloth_6333]

Ive only just realized how beautiful mountain lab is

[@happyman9114]

"a full team of defensive snipers outside skybox sniping peoples"

[@Lttsumm]

maybe some of the empty doors you could just add walkways and secretly just loop them to other doors? or in the places where you fall and cant get out have the random doors lead to stairs out to some of the other random doors?

[@The_Rising_Dragon]

Aww man, this is the series which made me discover and subscribe to ypur channel, mate! :)

[@natan9113]

yes but this doesn't compare to them adding snakes to snakewater

[@Cone_Head44]

theres gonna be that one person hiding on the edge of the map

[@idcrafter-cgi]

Clip brushes are used to smooth out stairs in source and other games

[@Stalker-ph2ul]

Bro invite solar light to a server with the free degroot keep map lol

[@randomprimary]

I think the "Kinda neat" factor is worth it alone.

[@MuIchMuncher]

I would love to see a tf2 open world game with all of the maps connected, it would be perfect

[@emsilly741]

I'd make the room under the last point on Gorge an accessway to a third point, maybe behind the Private door?

[@BMD19840]

I want more of these videos, they are soo interesting, it is as interesting as videos on cut content

[@E_blanknamehere]

That amount of times I tried to be a silly demo jumper and got cuncused by an invisible wall. Has to be atleast 5 or 6 times now

[@RevenaSurniak]

Finally, you can be Ace the Ocarina Maker

[@boxfan2009]

The degroot keep map is my favorite in this video because of the trimps

[@microsoftpowerpoint4731]

16:25 one of the “doors” is a control panel

[@zachlewis9751]

Direct buff to vertical mobility options and direct nerf to sentries.

[@Awoken_YKW_Fan9001]

Imagine someone combined all of the opened up maps into a mega map and you get sniped from *ANOTHER map!*

[@c.mattstrides4754]

Mountain Lab: Soldier Main's Reckoning

[@OrdinaryDoommarine]

conclusion: YOU. ARE. A. FUCKING. LEGEND.

[@DemiIsNotHere]

The doors are from Stanley parable and move you around the office.

[@JC_Stone]

19:08 Solarlight: *Heavy breathing*

[@willowwifetherealone]

That transition from cp_gorge was gold