'Green Capitalism' Is A CON | Ash Sarkar meets Andreas Malm

[@johnmoorefilm]

Anyone with a teenage child will tell you that carbon-capture is the “I’ll clean my room later!” of climate-policy….😅

[@forestsunset9617]

More like you get the poor to tidy your room, because you can afford to offset the cost of your damage on to them.

[@MerabKe]

:)))))) Thats a damn perfect analogy

[@sarahpengelly8439]

This guy was my guru whilst I was involved in the climate movement. He is brilliant, a superb thinker & a great communicator. We should have followed his lead!!

[@longshank59]

They cut out 20 minutes or more I remember the exact moment where he said "You can see the immediate effects of people in Gaza." It adds that to the end and then Ash thanks him

[@ofarrellbreon5906]

There is much more unusable land than arable land for carbon capture trees. But more important than stopping the production of carbon dioxide is that we have to make sure that we do not kill millions of people this and every winter due to absence of reliable heating systems.

[@cdineaglecollapsecenter4672]

If you have any gut appreciation at all for the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, carbon capture & storage is stupid on the face of it. People think that because we have made all these amazing advances in computer technology, that we can with equal facility manipulate the larger physical systems of our planet. It's nuts.

[@whensonzhou4174]

Quite true, but it's probably difficult to sell an academic argument to layman, especially when earth is not a closed system and 2nd law of thermaldynamics need to be applied with rigor which is again not very conducive in normal day conversation.

[@larsk5600]

Malm's PhD promotor Alf Hornborg has written a lot on this thermodynamic perspective, very much worth reading

[@Humanity101-zp4sq]

There are only two really sensible versions of carbon capture, 1. Seed the oceans with additional algae, 2. Plant and grow trees.

[@singingway]

@@cdineaglecollapsecenter4672 decades of science fiction on the big screen have made people believe the technology is already developed. somehow they've been inculcated into the idea that if they can imagine it, then some vague someone can make it happen.

[@bowlhead270]

One way to do something for Palestine and for climate is to keep up the boycots folks 👊

[@if432]

Lol

[@singingway]

Novarra, you could make a playlist of the climate content. That would help us find it to click on it!

[@lisawilliamson5012]

This was a fascinating conversation. Thank you.

[@Human_Herbivore]

Waiting for technology to fix everything while we're not even anywhere close to making aeroplanes remotely environmentally friendly is the definition of apathy.

[@MouldyMilo]

That was brilliant, very engaging. Thanks for the introduction Andreas' work, keen to check it now.

[@mjmaslin]

I'm a big fan 0f "Green Capitalism" The question is how DO PROTECT IT From Oligarchy behavior.. & will it long term be benefited for society and greed proof.

[@shinywarm6906]

I think the failure to mobilise the workin class around climate stems from this; we percieve fossil uel commodities - cheap flights, consumer electronics, etc - as our main source of confort and compensation for the catastrophic damage capitalism does to our communities and autonomy. So climate activists need to have something very much more concrete and immediate to offer before we'll give those things up

[@byunbaekhyun2283]

true, we need to present more economic benefits than just "emission down by 80%!!"

[@ninjabreadgirl]

Or we need to continue to see an increase in this trend of a return to spirituality and nature and community, where people actually care about each other - it hasn't been a popular movement in the past because of the way The Establishment has brainwashed the West through the media (radio, music, Hollywood, television, celebrity, commercials, advertising), but people are waking up to the fact that everything they've ever known has been a lie, and that a very secret few fucked up people have run and controlled the world to their liking for the entire last century (though secret powerful families have always existed and have always been the ones to try and shape history; but Empires always fall) and we are PISSED. OFF. So yeah basically we just need to defeat the rich greedy oligarchs and we can rebuild a better world.

[@chipdamage9374]

This is an interesting point. Perhaps the idea that the "compensation" for addressing climate change is the continued existence of humanity is too nebulous or abstract for a lot of people to take seriously.

[@MaggotTayne]

@@chipdamage9374 I think a lot of people are just resigned to the idea that future generations are fucked, and are content to just enjoy the last of the comforts while they can get them.

[@ObiWanKeighobi]

@@MaggotTayne Exactly, without being obtuse the "existence of humanity" is a detachment from people's material existence. If we want people to care, priority should be placed on the welfare of their children, the environment they enjoy today etc (its no wonder the clean water issue has become so huge in the UK).

[@Human_Herbivore]

Knowing what we don't know, the tipping points and feedback loops, is why we have to act today where we can, rather than waiting for technology.

[@pamplemouse5]

Also the massive loss of biodiversity can't be reversed.

[@aroadtorome7683]

A humble offering for the almighty algorithm.

[@janeglover3118]

I was already watching this exact same interview live earlier. But as soon as they started talking about Gaza, the video was suddenly wrenched off air totally, along with the earlier notification id received. Now its back on 2 hours or so later, huh? Colour me confused. What happened? A tech glitch? Is this later vid being 'sanitized' in some way? Will it still be live or pre-recorded now? Sadly i cant stay awake that long in Australia to find out, except to rewatch it later. Strange indeed. 🤔

[@blahdelablah]

There's a mention of Gaza near the end of the video.

[@Patrick-jj5nh]

Its called internet in south london

[@andrewwoods8153]

I am from Australia too, same experience, we all know what happened really. It's time for Novara to be somewhere else that doesn't involve self or other types of censorship.

[@janeglover3118]

@andrewwoods8153 yep, I agree. Others have said it was internet connection issues, but at the time there was actually a screen note saying it had been "removed by the uploader" ie: Novara. Hence, I too believe there was some sort of censorship going on, yep.

[@andrewwoods8153]

@janeglover3118 Cheers, Jane. I try to get as many view points as I can over many areas, and the sad truth appears to be fascism has indeed invaded every space, especially U-tube, and all techno feudal major platforms, as well as, our political parties, save the independents and greens. Greed is good rules everyone and everything, 😥, dark days, brought to us all , in the main by the ignorance of my age generation, hope lies with those in their current 20s to 40s, to see common sense and responsibility, a big ask, but it is what it is.

[@o_o8203]

So many ppl can't even spend 35 minutes to watch a video and see if Gaza is discussed (which it is), or even scrub through the video to see if it's been discussed. Y'all are embarrassing.

[@JohnJones-k9d]

We don’t care about Gaza.

[@bosewicht2389]

@@JohnJones-k9ddon’t speak on behalf of others, everyone should care. Gaza is a prelude to what will happen to the entire world if we let the elites win

[@RedSntDK]

It's like 8 presses on buttons to check: expand description -> click transcript -> ctrl+f -> type in gaza

[@Humanity101-zp4sq]

@@JohnJones-k9d Speak for yourself.

[@azzaaz5458]

Great work thank you for your honesty and bravery talking about your consumerist dilemmas Ash .

[@Hamstertron]

You misspelled "communist"

[@azzaaz5458]

@Hamstertron err no.

[@azzaaz5458]

@Hamstertron ..but thanks for your concern.

[@eventhori3on]

Bravery?.. You people are nuts!

[@azzaaz5458]

@@eventhori3on yeah people eh! What do you identify as (I'm guessing Troll)?

[@piotrstuglik4424]

It's amusing when he proclaims himself as part of the "popular front", and then quietly admits how unpopular his policy proposals are.

[@GlobeHackers]

The fundamental problem is the socioeconomic religion we all practice. We are addicts. We can't imagine a simpler way of life. Talk with Clive Spash.

[@KC-lc8dx]

Please interview William Rees from University Brtish Columbia, he is an amazing expert on this topic

[@ADITYAMISHRA-h7g]

Highly, highly reccomend. Check out a number of Nate hagens guests Art Berman, Simon Michaux, Bill Rees among others

[@shaunmiller7370]

The point you talked about the trees. Trees, suck carbon from the atmosphere, but they didn’t decompose because there was no organism to be able to break the cell walls . It took about 60 million years for fungi two be able to break down the walls, the ligament and Celulose in the cell walls and in that time of 60 million years, the planet had a very high oxygen level which then bread, giant insects, flying insects dragonflies 2 to 3 foot long, because of the saturated oxygen, and the way, insects breathe, is why most insects today are small in comparison, and why we have coal is another reason because trees didn’t get broken down. They just got sunk into the bog million more trees fell on top pressure time bladder bladder bladder, but the point is they locked away carbon trees are very good at carbon catch certain varieties are better at it than others new willows for starters very fast growing absorbs a lot of carbon but they only release carbon back into the atmosphere when they decompose so it becomes a balance as the speaker said to grow. A forest will need immense amounts of land so then harvester would burn it, take the carbon put it into the ground, but what if we didn’t burn the trees we don’t need to but just let the trees naturally do what they’ve been doing for millions of years. We take that back the Amazon rainforest because the problem there is the farming you take it back. You take away attractive Laddu strip trees when you strip because natural erosion happens, the soil gets washed away thin and so they have to take more land. What about reversing it because it isn’t actually working to feed the people farming methods need to be smarter so you can get more out of the viable land without exhausting it then we can have more forests, the world needs the lungs basically and this can be done farming can be done smarter without concentrating fertilisers without over it stretching exhausting the land humans have just got to think smarter anyway, if you do read this and it makes sense to you just give us a tick, if it doesn’t then give me a thumbs down and will walk on but that’s a simple breakdown about trees and what they can do

[@Humanity101-zp4sq]

Simple breakdown? The simple breakdown is seed oceans with algae and plant continents with trees. Both extract CO2 from the atmosphere.

[@SunburnCity]

Please learn about run-on sentences and comma splicing before you attempt to write your thesis.

[@nicolaford7510]

Gaza is the most important focus at the moment but really it is all linked.

[@andrewtrip8617]

The Ukraine is more likely to escalate to become an existential threat ,that both dwarfs co2 and Gaza combines .

[@alasdairgood3929]

Excellent interview. Will need to get his book.

[@jamie_3394]

Get Overshoot by William Catton instead.

[@JugglinJellyTake01]

Shame they didn't show the audience on flying. You also need to ask how many people refuse to fly. 19 years without stratospheric irradiation.

[@nameberry220]

Well I hope you don't drive very far, commercial flight is less co2 emissions than driving. Flight (Fuel + embedded vehicle emissions) 60+10 g/km. Auto: 120+30 g/km.

[@pamplemouse5]

You ask hiw we've become so numb to the climate crisis. We've been living under the threat of annihilation since the 1950s, we're just numb to it now.

[@theoblincko18]

This was really interesting, great work as always

[@luciferin_]

Good show Ash, it's hard to keep a heavy subject gently lighthearted but you did a good job. I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir here, but a resource that might help out educators or people trying to change other people's minds is a game called Half Earth. It's a stategy game where you enact environmental policies in an effort to keep global heating at 1.5 C. The authors of Half Earth Socialism came up with it, Troy Vettese and Drew Pendergrass, Andreas rates them so worth a read too!

[@Hill_Walker]

One point missed by the reflecting solar energy argument, it's all to enable CO2 emissions. The greenhouse effect is only one consequence of carbon industry. You also have ocean acidification and plastic build up. Yes it may be possible to tackle these individually, although with their own costs. But, targeting of the carbon industries is a win win win option. The main cost of which, as is mentioned, is profits.

[@JugglinJellyTake01]

The absurdity of carbon capture is it would take the aforestation of an area the size of Australia to capture 1 GT per year of CO2 when we are producing over 40 GTs per year. Although it is less than 2.5% of emissions there is also a lag of a few years before that carbon capture reaches a billion tonnes per year. It is still worth doing but there must also be a push for emissions cuts, moratoria on new fossil fuel developments, divestment, a shift in fossil subsidies to renewable energy and other developments. Algae are far quicker than trees at carbon capture and have much less impact when it comes to extracting them. It is also independent of the soil as you can set up tanks on more marginal land. The disadvantage is you need a means of containment and nutrients. The options for algae are dessication and storage, convert to biochar and dig into soil, redirect to composting and apply to land. That leaves more land available for rewilding when migrating to a more plant based diet. Algae doesn't need to grow outdoors since it can be done using cheaper, cleaner, renewable electricity in, for example, old car factories.

[@nsudatta-roy8154]

So much for the rain forests and vegetation in general.

[@5353Jumper]

Carbon Capture - let's use a huge amount on energy reducing some of the emissions from our energy production. The math on that basically ensures it is the worst possible solution. The type of math that only makes sense for petroleum executives.

[@ethelmini]

There will be a profit to be made in doing it though

[@Brinjal-yu1vi]

Salute Ash Sarkar for Supporting the Truth. 🙋🙋🙋🙋🙋🙋🙋🙋🙋🙋🙋🙋🙋🙋

[@SR-fw4yy]

Ash u r my hero!!’

[@KayLee-lw5iv]

you cant un burn a field, you cant un-destroy the entire ocean just because you finally got around to it

[@SampaJasli]

i like this guy

[@ninjabreadgirl]

same

[@Tom-sq2yy]

I think in the UK we need to make use of the Blitz mythos. This is a big point of pride for most people. In WW2 we ate a lot less meat, rationed food and fuel for the good of the country. If the left can make the link between the climate emergency and rationing (not suggesting as radical as during the war) then maybe pride in the past can help out.

[@AF-dx7zs]

Talk to climate scientist Kevin Anderson for the scale of the problem faced. (He has suggestions as to what needs to be done as well, but not really answers to the political problem of how you can win on that basis). But he really communicates the enormous disaster we are encountering well.

[@musiqtee]

How to we even imagine using energy to mediate using energy…? Abolish the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics, as if those laws originated in some parliament…? GDP and energy use have tracked within two percent of each other since we “invented” the terrible metric of “growth”. At the same time, “conservation of nature” is becoming a convertible asset and a source of corporate & oligarchical rent. Scarcity increases the asset value, traded at exchanges like electricity, commodities, shares or bonds are now… …paid for through our pointless B2B career grind and endless debts? Not even a neoclassical economist can make _that_ spreadsheet balance without criminal intent…

[@ADITYAMISHRA-h7g]

Right

[@lone_ranger]

Couldn't have said it better myself!

[@whensonzhou4174]

a bit more nuance than u think, cuz we are not managing a closed system (earth is not closed). Carbon capture is already present in nature (photosysnthesis), but it uses sunlight as energy source, which contrast against those carbon capture schemes that used CO2 emitting source and end up to be carbon positive. Funny how the big oil uses solar panel to power pumpjack b/c solar are cheaper.

[@musiqtee]

@@whensonzhou4174 I know. Whenever I even try to include every nuance I may have grasped, any comment I make becomes totally meaningless to most readers. So, let me be «meaningless»; Complexity is always beyond our declarative and/or descriptive means - hence complex, not «simply» complicated. Not my insight, this dichotomy is referred to in every (ancient) culture we (may) know of. If logic, efficiency & rationality were all we’d need, problem solved…? Within our «western» cultural sphere, it’s traceable to the Dionysian - Apollonian coincidental, Hegel/Kant or Nietzsche, Žižek… But NOT in our liberal political economy. Logic, effective and rational…? We understand the physics well enough (as you correctly point to) - but ontologically act _against_ that knowledge. We violently externalise «the irrational», that’s a core value of modernity. This short (3ish centuries) period made this very situation global in scope. Our will to power is too complex for rational, adaptive change - or we would have pivoted as soon as our empirical knowledge laid bare many decades ago. Sadly, there’s no such shared “we” outside of the ideal or imaginary. Instead, we’re all taught to individually and nationally *compete…* 🙄

[@whensonzhou4174]

@@musiqtee haha, I was not expecting throwing philosophical concepts and achieve meaningless by nuance~ love it

[@ΑΣΔΦΓΗΞΚΛ]

4:24 that's easy, even if the Ed Hole works, you can't overshoot draw down and then expect a return to where you started This isn't how high dimensional phase space works. You do not generally get back where you started by reversing your steps.

[@ninjabreadgirl]

Exactly; once altered, certain things can never be returned to their original state.

[@Humanity101-zp4sq]

I'm sure you're aware, but in thermodynamic terms its called entropy. In chemical terms it called irreversibility. Biochemistry is the only currently known process by which entropy can be 'cheated'.

[@ΑΣΔΦΓΗΞΚΛ]

@Humanity101-zp4sq no entropy can't be cheated, I appreciate the quotes though. Irreversibility isn't the same as entropy And this is neither It's called ergodicity (breaking)

[@Humanity101-zp4sq]

@@ΑΣΔΦΓΗΞΚΛ I know what entropy is, and there's a reason that I put the word 'cheat' in inverted commas. I didn't say that entropy was the same as irreversibility. My comment was in answer to the comment made by ninjabreadgirl. I was referring to chemical reactions involving large changes of internal energy. No need to patronise a professional scientist either. Not every system displays ergodicity!

[@ninjabreadgirl]

@@Humanity101-zp4sq Appreciate the response :) I have to disagree about cheating entropy; I know you put the inverted commas but at the end of the day, definitively, entropy cannot be reversed, it can only *appear* to be reversed which isn't the same thing at all.

[@ninjabreadgirl]

Holy crap, great convo

[@MiniLifeCrisis]

I think people want more climate news in the mainstream media, the amount of people I hear spreading misinformation over things like the flooding in Valencia is awful. They are getting their views from somewhere. Those of us that are aware have to regulate how much content we watch to avoid becoming depressed at the inaction of governments, the misinformation from media and the ambivalence of many of our peers.

[@metapol118]

You always ignore the Ukraine war and its escalating daily it could lead to ww3

[@andrewtrip8617]

Why do you think they do that ?

[@metapol118]

​@@andrewtrip8617 they don't want to accept reality

[@JayFortran]

Ocean fertilization research must be vastly expanded, along with arctic cloud brightening while we reduce emissions in the 1st world

[@JayFortran]

We have to pursue organic CO2 removal

[@monsirto]

The solution is literally to do less. Buy less crap (like makeup and runners) use less power, stop travelling and sit it out for 10 years. Unfortunately humans and cockroaches have about the same collective intelligence.

[@nlewin5072]

Most people couldn't manage to 'sit it out' for a week, never mind ten years. Unless the turkeys start voting for Christmas, we're fcuked and in denial about halting the destruction of the human race, along with many other species. The only things that are going to stop us in our tracks are a massive pandemic (at least a 100 times worse than COVID), large-scale nuclear war, or an external event such as a big asteroid hit or solar flare.

[@GoldenBloodyBeared]

Would have liked a longer conversation

[@chimichanga3405]

I didn't watch it live and I'm about 5 minutes in. Can someone share what was said in the Gaza portion some commenters mentioned?

[@mousquetaire86]

Regarding October 7th, Andreas said something to the effect of "You can't always demand or expect resistance movements be non-violent"

[@chimichanga3405]

@@mousquetaire86thank you

[@blahdelablah]

It's near the end of the video.

[@stuartriches2551]

@@blahdelablah I remember what was said on the live feed, it went beyond what others are daring to say. Probably this comment will be deleted, even though I am not repeating. AM is one of the greatest heroes of all time.

[@y.yipang6525]

What I miss in this discussion is any talk about Earth’s carbon cycling system and how we have broken it. What about regenerative practices that can return so much carbon to our soils? So much more to say about that… Also, where forests are preserved and regenerated makes a huge difference for climate mitigation. In addition, the too brief discussion about the ongoing genocide making it hard to focus on the climate crisis really failed to link the expanding military industrial complex to the worsening of the climate catastrophe in almost every single metric. I haven’t read the book, maybe these topics are in there?

[@owen_nx]

I am behind solar and wind. But why is nuclear power so dismissed?

[@lisaglaze250]

Probably because of the waste problem

[@ethelmini]

The main problem I see is it releases energy into a system, the climate, from outside that system. That has to contribute something to global warming, before we look at the masses of concrete & steel we have to produce just to contain the radioactive hazard. Solar radiation & gravity are the only significant energy sources that belong in the climate. Wind is a secondary form of solar, tidal & geothermal are secondary secondary sources of gravity. ...I only recently learned the centre of the earth is kept molten by the friction generated from the stirring it gets from the Moon via gravity.

[@whensonzhou4174]

And fossil fuel company also actively campaign against it. Remember how many people were talking about the danger of nuclear energy after that stupid TV drama Chernobyl? What an excellent propaganda hit piece paid for by the fossil fuel company Also, nuclear energy had the problematic proliferation issue that could lead to unintended geopolitical effect.

[@TonyScott896]

Aside from the highly problematic waste, high(er) costs, risk of containment failure (whether accidental or due to direct attack) and the wasteful use of vast amounts of water for cooling? I have no idea.

[@84axwall]

Take the time to read Malm's latest, Overshoot: How the World Surrendered to Climate Catastrophe, which he wrote with Wim Carton. This video is great, but the extended analysis will help you comprehend the thinking behind the arguments Malm is making here.

[@JugglinJellyTake01]

Fossil free steel production has existed for decades, they were smaller plants away from coke and coal supply chains.

[@mawkernewek]

17:35 no doubt Elon Musk is wondering if SpaceX can put a giant sunshade at the L1 Lagrangian point between the Earth and the Sun, maybe so that the Sun looks like this emoji when viewed from the Earth: 😎

[@azami123]

How mean! They could have given us the full interview! If you're losing revenue, you need to have a word with Michael.

[@HalimaBrewer]

I want to hear the bit cut. Where can we get thst?

[@041101213]

Calling growing trees carbon capture technology is a special kind of lunacy

[@kateoneal4215]

Yeah.... Verrrry suspicious, eh? The best thing one can say about their censorship is it's sloppy and obvious.

[@blahdelablah]

What censorship are you referring to?

[@gmenezesdea]

@@blahdelablah I was watching it live and the video was suddenly deleted mid-talk. Two hours later this one was uploaded. I haven't checked it out yet so I can't say whether anything's different, but it was suspicious to say the least.

[@theoblincko18]

So you're accusing them of sponsorship without even checking!? just because there was a technical hiccup. Surely the smart thing would be to leave any controversial stuff in anyway

[@HalimaBrewer]

It was about Gaza.

[@gmenezesdea]

​@@theoblincko18I'm not accusing anyone of anything. I was just telling what I saw when I was watching it live, the video was deleted without the talk being done, which is unusual for this channel. I'm more upset that the talk was left unfinished than anything else.

[@Paythepipertoplay]

Poor people have other priorities. How about taxing them less, help them start or fund their small bussiness? How about being honest about the actual cost of climate change. How about a conversation on how to adapt to a climate that is changing regardless of what humans are doing? I never hear a plan B for when all the UN goals have failed as they have done for decades.

[@ideotek]

Why are we speaking of carbon capture land use as fuel OR food? Did we forget the possibility of growing food on trees while they are capturing carbon? Natural reforestation with addition of native food species can make a significant dent in emissions compared to monoculture ag, also increasing drawdown longterm, and can help localize food production and security.

[@infosuge]

Yaaas kweeen Peckham is so lush. We asked a room of gentrifiers what they cared about most - the environment! something no one here can realistically change but you can feel good about yourself talking about it.

[@gamerknown]

What can people in Peckham change?

[@graboidgang9077]

its a pretty big issue certainly more of an issue than you being too broke to live where you grew up

[@tomh5094]

I think for some of your followers, they aren't clicking on that content because they already know how bad things are.

[@laluna5548]

I believe the UK could create an incredible climate change movement by implementing Dieter Helms Net Zero policy. I hope you get someone to implement his plan because it is seriously well thought out and (still) possible to pull off!

[@NickDartnall]

Tash has been hammering the pies😂😂 . No one asking the obviously question - 'what the fuck is that on his head?' 😂😂

[@cdineaglecollapsecenter4672]

Human labor is certainly involved in making and installing solar panels and wind turbines, mining the materials for said installations and the batteries required for the systems and for the end users,, maintaining said facilities, building and maintaining the electric grids that transport the power, and so on and so forth. Arguably more labor than is involved in pumping oil out of the ground & sticking it in a pipeline. One reason there are more profits in oil & gas is the byproducts, i.e., all that plastic that is almost impossible to avoid and which is now a major threat to the biosphere itself. Another reason is that they paid for huge amounts of intellectual labor for actually finding the oil and gas and getting the political infrastructure to support their endeavors, and that is an investment they don't want to lose. I don't think the labor theory of value accounts for why the extremely politically powerful oil and gas companies don't switch to renewables. It's because oil and gas is all they know how to do.

[@obsolete9121]

Read Overshoot by Malm

[@jamie_3394]

Read Overshoot by William Catton instead.

[@obsolete9121]

@jamie_3394 fair

[@mididoctors]

Think they are going to cut out the Gaza stuff

[@thedarkknightReturns]

oh really? thats a surprise, was it really controversial?

[@mididoctors]

​@@thedarkknightReturns no idea it just stopped

[@blahdelablah]

There's a mention of Gaza near the end of the video.

[@maxgodwin398]

Ash, please don’t do that South London snobbery thing, you’re not right. All snobbery is an expression of the conservative world-view, and this ignorant rhetorical subordination of south London isn’t, let’s face it, about land, it’s a slur on the occupants. Novara Media and it’s journalists should know a lot better. Even as a ‘joke’ it’s a bit, goodness, what’s the word, silent. You’re an amazing journalist, but jocular banter like this only serves to re-enforce local prejudices, but also the insane proposition that groups of people, geographically defined, are superior to any other groups of people. Surely at the moment that should carry a particularly heavy weight. London is London. What the fuck does a river matter?

[@aguy6833]

all the talk of climate disaster and jenocide and that's what you chose to write an essay about?

[@lukasmadrid1945]

​@@aguy6833exactly my thought, out of all the horrors in the world their putting effort into helping the protected class of south londoners. What a load of bollocks

[@andrewtrip8617]

Haven’t really got your head round identity politics yet then ?

[@maxgodwin398]

@@lukasmadrid1945 'Helping the protected class of south Londeners'. Hahahahahaha! Talk about missing the point absolutely.

[@lukasmadrid1945]

@maxgodwin398 idc about londoners either side, def dont care enough to read whatever you're trying to say

[@chipdamage9374]

Our capacity to organize and confront these issues is ineffective because of how divided we are. We need unity for change, and a significant part of that is a unified means of communication. Greta managed a global movement thanks to her ability to engage audiences through tik tok, what platform do we have today to engage and mobilise people that isn't currently riddled with propaganda and misinformation?

[@SuperMikeFender]

Hahaha that Hannibal Buress quote at the start 😂

[@Harve6988]

Don't get how we can say "oil profits come.from exploitation of labour" given oil industry people are paid a lot. Maybe it involves displacement of native people, environmental damage etc. It certainly involves government protection and a degree of cartelisation. Also, there are profits to be made in solar, or at least there would have been if the entire production chain hadn't been heavily subsidised in China.

[@ethelmini]

That's not what exploitation really means. But oil workers can only be well paid because their labour extracts so much more profit for their bosses/investors.

[@londonboss2111]

ASH 😍😍😍😍

[@brianwheeldon4643]

Yes well, the real heroes are people like JustStop_Oil... discussion is great, but we've been talking like this for years and years. Nothing's happening. The stage of violent revolution is getting closer and closer in the western kleptocracies. By then we know it will be too late for meaningful adaptation and survival.

[@ADITYAMISHRA-h7g]

I'm not gonna lie, I'm quite a bit disappointed in Ash sarkar. I thought she was more radical than this

[@MaggotTayne]

@@ADITYAMISHRA-h7g I think she was framing a lot of the questions through a more moderate lens to give the guest a chance to counter those kinds of common arguments. I hope, at least 😬

[@ADITYAMISHRA-h7g]

@MaggotTayne I undersand where you are coming from, but her (not just in this convo) and Bastani (her boss) unironically do hold some more reactionary positions. But anyhow I'm here for Andreas Malm and did very much enjoy it

[@cadenza3210]

@@ADITYAMISHRA-h7g Here Ash is being an interviewer (which she is very good at) and not being a political commentator. She spoke of Marxian concepts where they were appropriate.

[@robertjsmith]

Extreme weather events are already happening.

[@ZIMCoin]

Ash Sarkar, please stop being a hypocrite and wearing your Ahimsa necklace, while mocking compassion towards animals.

[@marpjc]

Thank you, she only further perpetuates that being vegan should be perceived as a weird position instead of any attempt at normalising it I know everyone can be hypocritical but so frustrating watching such headstrong people bury their heads on some major issues logically they wouldn’t argue against

[@piotrstuglik4424]

I commend Ash for trying, even though she failed miserably. The guest just couldn't help himself from spitting a buzzword after a buzzword.

[@iExamineLife]

Yes, the hard ro decarbonisate sector, which is 2/3 of carbon emission can not do with solar and wind.

[@cdineaglecollapsecenter4672]

You can make steel with electricity, which means you can make it with solar and wind.

[@ADITYAMISHRA-h7g]

Not on the SCALE, you need for industrial produxtion

[@intelligenceofacertainkind]

You're probably talking about melting scrap metal in electric arc furnaces. Making new steel from iron ore as far as I know needs to use a source of carbon for the necessary chemical reaction to split elemental iron from its various oxides and sulphides. There's simply not enough solar and wind to maintain an industrial society that was designed around fossil fuels. You could massively expand nuclear to fill that void, or you could change society itself - but something has to give. You can't have an industrial society designed and built on coal, oil and gas simply being transferred to solar and wind. The capacity will never be there. Industrial societies were designed around plentiful and cheap fossil fuels. It's all wrong for the limited and intermittent nature of renewables. Society itself would need to change. We need oil and gas to create the fertilisers that grow the food that supports these extremely high populations and we need fossil fuels to make the concrete and steel that we build our homes and places of work from.

[@ADITYAMISHRA-h7g]

@@intelligenceofacertainkind exactly

[@ADITYAMISHRA-h7g]

@@intelligenceofacertainkind exactly

[@TimeStitch__Account]

Cool ! ( free pun for ya ! )

[@ninjabreadgirl]

😂😂

[@Lantha57]

I'm not sure what to make of his claim that renewables can't be made profitable. Is manufactured scarcity not a thing?

[@Tofu_va_Bien]

It's not that renewables aren't profitable, they are, just not as profitable as fossil fuels.

[@switzjon8405]

26:25 How about I DON'T Need or want anyone telling me how to live my life or what I want.

[@elemental63]

These carbon-capture distractions remind me of the previous 'trading Carbon Credits' BS. The fact that ££ Billions are going - unaccounted for - towards these projects seems to me, another transfer of public ££ into private offshore tax evading pockets.

[@nicolaford7510]

Yes, Ash re class...but eating lots of meat and driving an SUV doesn't = happiness, joy etc. Working class anyway is more complex

[@jeremynicoletti9060]

To reduce the competitive advantage of fossil fuels to that of human labor completely misses all the disadvantages of solar/wind vs. fuel. That is extremely reductionist and inaccurate. Fossil fuels don't have the storage problem that solar and wind have.

[@mattliamjack3293]

Ash🥵😋😊

[@Humanity101-zp4sq]

The fact that this coversation is happening in 2024 is an absolute and sickening joke. This conversation should have taken place 40 years ago when climate change was called global warming. The current societal mentality has too much in common with the 2 hours and forty minutes of prevarication before the Titanic sank.

[@marpjc]

I know you say you’re not saying it in a disparaging way when mentioning vegetarian’s but you know you kinda are. Saying it like this isn’t helping it be more normal. Vegetarian is barely a position anyway, terrible for the environment and terrible for animals

[@HealingLifeKwikly]

"Vegetarian is barely a position anyway, terrible for the environment and terrible for animals" Actually, speaking as a researcher, research overwhelmingly proves that vegan and vegetarian diets are VASTLY better for the planet. For example, you could feed all 8 billion humans a vegan diet using half the CO2 emissions, less than half the water, and 25% of the land we now use for agriculture. That would mean we could reforest and re-wild an area the size of North America plus Brazil. That would have amazing benefits for agriculture and would allow us to sequester over 600 billion tons of CO2 by 2050. Not only are plant-based diets vastly better for the planet (and human. health), we simply can't save Earth's ecosystems unless we shift to much more plant-based diets (and especially slash beef consumption). Be well.

[@marpjc]

@@HealingLifeKwiklySorry. I didn’t communicate well. I agree with everything you said and fully support being vegan, I am myself. I am critical of vegetarians as you are still contributing to very obviously and directly to unnecessary animal rights violations and environmental problems

[@nicolaford7510]

Get over your own life style Ash

[@TadeuszCantwell]

On solar, wind and carbon capture not extracting enough wealth for their profit margin, for the sake of hope I choose to see it the other way that as Marx describes it, new machines that use raw materials more efficiently out compete the previous technology, i.e the extraction of wind and sun is near infinite with no waste material and produces no waste. The difference is that oil holds two values, energy storage which can be burnt for its release. Solar/wind has one material property energy output, once batteries reaches the same unit value for storage and are cheap enough then over time the operating cost of producing fossil fuels will no longer generate enough profit to make it worth while.

[@intelligenceofacertainkind]

The Earth itself is not infinite. It'll be vapourised by the swollen and dying sun in a few billion years. You'll probably take that as meaning 'we' shouldn't do anything to deal with climate change. Something nihilistic. But that's not what I mean. I mean that we have become very arrogant as a species and believe we are Gods, able to control nature and our species eternal destiny. We're little chimps on a small unstable rock, orbiting a medium sized star, in an infinity of space. Some humility and recognition of how fragile and temporary this all is is what I think we need. When you accept how rare and temporary what we have is, then I think you start to value and appreciate it more. By valuing life more deeply - we'd value the planet more.

[@robertjsmith]

INFOSYS Sunak is an oligarch getting richer from oil and gas .

[@GH-oh7gs]

D notice...

[@piotrstuglik4424]

Define "Global South" for me, please.

[@00PlPu00]

The Global South broadly comprises Africa, Latin America and the Caribbean, Asia excluding Israel, Japan, and South Korea, and Oceania excluding Australia and New Zealand, according to the UNCTAD

[@piotrstuglik4424]

@00PlPu00 Does it look include Saudi Arabia? UAE?

[@00PlPu00]

@ This definition by the UNCTAD is clear, mate

[@piotrstuglik4424]

@@00PlPu00 What are the selection criteria? Why is the UAE part of the Global South, but Israel is not? Why is Singapore part of it, but Japan and South Korea are not?

[@00PlPu00]

@@piotrstuglik4424 I can search that on the internet :)

[@chunny1989]

15:22 Colombia's biggest export ain't a black liquid.. It's a white powder.

[@andrewtrip8617]

You will have to sort out the weakening and shifting of the earths magnetic field at the same time as you draw down the carbon levels o5her wise you are wasting your time .

[@superdeluxesmell]

Groan

[@flaauws]

Even if we knew for certain that this technology would work in the way it is hoped it would, we can't know that its development wouldn't be disrupted by climate change! Now is too late as it is.

[@mjc01]

"Habitus". Interesting word. Physics doesn't care about your habitus Ash, or anyone else's.

[@mkupoi]

Welcome to another edition of clueless leftists today Im from Valencia and the floods have existed for ever

[@lawLess-fs1qx]

lost me at whiteness and far right.bye bye

[@daviddevoy5966]

I fear your guest is excessively dismissive of the idea that there are some areas where there are no viable alternatives to fossil fuels. You can't "stop oil" without causing major suffering to humanity. He is right though about the lack of profit in green technology.

[@00PlPu00]

For example...?

[@daviddevoy5966]

@@00PlPu00 Artificial fertilisers, which feed half the worlds population, rely on fossil fuels for production. You cant make steel without fossil fuel fired furnaces, electricones are not hot enough. There is no alternative to fossil fueled air travel.

[@DougieJohnson-l5w]

WHY HAVE THE GROUND SWOLLOW YOU ASH? NO ONE ELSE HAS THE COURAGE TO SAY THAT THAT GESTURE IS PRECISELY WHAT THE SO CALLED GREEN COMPANIES ARE DOING TO OIL COMPANIES - SO THAT EXTRACTION PROCESS TECKNIQE IS ABSOLUTLY CORRECT

[@catdogfishcake]

your caps lock button is stuck.

[@RobertWendt-t3i]

Take a look at the pie chart of all countries' current emissions.

[@ethelmini]

Make sure it's emissions per capita.

[@Fabermorrow]

Damn hate when politcal people hate on certain areas like at the start! Not cool!

[@Fabermorrow]

I have visited southern London once, sure a lot of people hate it but damn it's way nicer than where I come from, come on. Beautiful buildings, gardens, good music. A lot of good things there! Sure it's not perfect but it's nothing on living in indonesia

[@ninjabreadgirl]

Awh she's just havin a laugh mate.

[@Fabermorrow]

@@ninjabreadgirl is she, didn't seem like that? People seem to think London is such a shit place all the time and you guys don't know what you have

[@Fabermorrow]

@@ninjabreadgirl maybe just my bad english getting In the way and cultural differences however 🙏

[@cautiouscommenter]

Ash is prettier without the makeup. Vex if you want. I said what I said. Disclaimer: This comment was posted before the video got to 1minute

[@666raki]

blah