The WW2 jeeps DEADLY secret....AKA I Try Not Crash my jeep!

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Greendot 319

Greendot 319

3 жыл бұрын

It's small it's green and its deadly, is there anyway to fight this design flaw? Lets test and find out!
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@neil6212
@neil6212 3 жыл бұрын
Two suggestions of varying work: 1)snubbers to limit vertical axle movement to just shy of bellcrank interference. 2)Make radius rods and install to greatly limit axle housing rotation. Possibly re-arch the front springs or beef them up to increase clearance, while at the same time adding resistance to axle housing rotation. Think about rear wheel drive hot rods, helping eliminate wheel hop and "ladder tracks" under very hard acceleration. Back in the sixties, with the advent of muscle cars, we tried everything from "slapper bars" and ladder bars, to spring leaf strapping, and offset shock mounting.
@lars-erik.nilsen
@lars-erik.nilsen 3 минут бұрын
I think the idea behind the lose grip theory only works at higher speeds, the faster an object moves the less it "wants" to change direction. I have ridden many miles and never experienced the problem, bu it might have something to do with with bad brakes and possibly a natural instinct to just "fight it", i don't know, but i've had my share of "emergency stops". Keep up the good work educating people about the Willys jeep that helped win the war and started the making of vehicles that to day just go by the name of Jeeps (no matter who's the maker) and the SUVs. Cheers from Norway!
@G56AG
@G56AG 3 жыл бұрын
Front tires that are completely locked up lose the ability to steer, a car will continue in the direction that it was going before the brakes locked. I learned that driving on ice a long time ago, when driving on ice, when you hit the brakes even the slightest bit, the front wheels almost instantly lock up (without anti lock brakes), front wheels lock up you have no control with steering, let off the brakes and steering returns. There are lots of ways to kill yourself with an old jeep, they roll over easily and no roll bar or seat belts, also in a bad front end crash the steering shaft tends to go right through the drivers chest, a common problem in older cars.
@kyleh3615
@kyleh3615 3 жыл бұрын
When I was learning to drive, my dad always told me to never have that tight of a grip on the steering wheel Apparently when he was younger they were off roading and had a 4x4 with a manual steering box catch a rock and the steering wheel spun back with force and broke his friends hand
@MuskratOutdoors
@MuskratOutdoors 3 жыл бұрын
They will do that. Never grip a Jeep wheel with your thumbs on the inside if you are off the pavement.
@jollyroger8822
@jollyroger8822 3 жыл бұрын
Got a Mahindra CJ as my everydays car, which is basically a 1:1 replica if the Willy's CJ3B with a 64 hp diesel engine. It goes everywhere when braking hard, except straight ahead. Most advanced safety feature is the roll bar.
@-oiiio-3993
@-oiiio-3993 3 жыл бұрын
Original Willys and Kaiser CJ3Bs never had roll bars.
@greghanson5696
@greghanson5696 2 жыл бұрын
Ford Motor Company referred to this phenomenon as recession steering. It is caused by the relationship between the front suspension and the steering. One of their models suffered from this in the late 1990's early 2000's I think it may have been the F-150.
@philippesabourin9026
@philippesabourin9026 3 жыл бұрын
Don't know if you know this ? But did you know why in documentary you see a pole sticking out in front of the jeep ?? It because when the allies where driving in country roads the germans would tie piano wire across the road about neck high ,by the time they realise there was something wrong it was to late they got decapitated !! By the way it's a very nice jeep you got !
@mr.bonesbbq3288
@mr.bonesbbq3288 2 жыл бұрын
Great knowledge, as always! Many thanks fer sharin with us, mate!
@bobvines00
@bobvines00 3 жыл бұрын
It's a good thing you've practiced this to see what happens. You should also try these different "hand grips" on dry pavement too. Thanks for this video!
@cumminsscout
@cumminsscout 3 жыл бұрын
Don't forget to lean to the right before getting in a head on collision so you don't get the steering coulomb through your chest!
@Greendot319
@Greendot319 3 жыл бұрын
Don't forget to bail out before hitting anything!
@-oiiio-3993
@-oiiio-3993 3 жыл бұрын
@@Greendot319 Bingo. Joking aside, jumping clear saved my bacon in a rollover once with a CJ2A.
@levieilatelier3088
@levieilatelier3088 3 жыл бұрын
Good analyse of the brakes problem!! Perfect!
@Greendot319
@Greendot319 3 жыл бұрын
You are too kind!
@outdoorfreedom9778
@outdoorfreedom9778 3 жыл бұрын
For those of us that grew up with cars that had drum breaks, there is no surprise. Most accidents during drag racing/street racing were caused during the breaking part. Drum breaks pull and generally to the left. Once disc breaks were used the fishtailing during braking disappeared.
@grantm6514
@grantm6514 2 жыл бұрын
I had an old '66 VW Bus that used to pull to one side under hard braking, but not always the same side. On top of this it had some play in the steering, making for an exciting driving experience, particularly in a gusting crosswind.
@OffroadMilitia
@OffroadMilitia 3 жыл бұрын
The brake that locks would not be as hot.
@neildsouza9523
@neildsouza9523 3 жыл бұрын
Just wat I was thinking
@DARisse-ji1yw
@DARisse-ji1yw 3 жыл бұрын
Yup. The shoes aren't producing friction or heat at that point. Any heat is in scrubbing the rubber off the tire....
@usedcarsokinawa
@usedcarsokinawa 2 жыл бұрын
Knowing the handling characteristics of your car is always important. Hard break, turn right to counteract.
@vancemacd6315
@vancemacd6315 3 жыл бұрын
Mount a camera that shows what the bell crank does
@huntsbychainsaw5986
@huntsbychainsaw5986 3 жыл бұрын
Your conclusion makes sense logically.
@SuperZacco
@SuperZacco 3 жыл бұрын
Same problem with my M201.. And yes,always fight against !! Very good démonstration 👍
@Greendot319
@Greendot319 3 жыл бұрын
Merci
@jstutzman1301
@jstutzman1301 3 жыл бұрын
Less sliding friction on the drum when it locks up. The right is heating up due to shoe sliding against the drum.
@samiam619
@samiam619 2 жыл бұрын
A good way to put it. I thought the same, but you said it better than I could have.
@ClimbingEasy
@ClimbingEasy 2 жыл бұрын
It's exactly it.
@storetapir
@storetapir 3 жыл бұрын
Simple mechanics. The left drum locking up is not being heated by friction, because drum and shoe are fixed together. The right one dragging is generating more heat, because the shoe is scraping the inside of the drum.
@HARLEY2006DAVIDSON
@HARLEY2006DAVIDSON 3 жыл бұрын
Your left front wheel locks up first because it's closer to the master cylinder. Your Jeep doesn't have proportioning valves to control break pressure.
@bigears4426
@bigears4426 3 жыл бұрын
HARLEY2006DAVIDSON bullshit , same pressure , a proportioning valve works between the front and rear axle , not between sides
@ClimbingEasy
@ClimbingEasy 2 жыл бұрын
All single hydraulic brake systems have equal pressure in all the lines at the wheel cylinder. They all work on a form of mechanical advantage. As long as there is no air in the system, a hydraulic line that's 6 inches Long in parallel with a hydraulic line that's 10 feet long have the same PSI at the end of the line. Back in the old days the lines used to swell, which would account for pressure differences amongst lengths. Nowadays with new brake lines not so much, especially if you have steel braided brake lines. In order for the length of line to be the main difference; hydraulic fluid would have to be compressible, this would account for the different pressure rates over length of hydraulic line. But that is a physical impossibility. Hydraulic fluid is uncompressible. This is what makes hydraulics work in the first place. This is also why hydrolocking an engine will break Pistons and Rods. Your engine is trying to compress a liquid which is impossible so something else has to give way. The old school hot rodders did that trick not because of pressure differences in lengths of line due to hydraulic pressure, but mainly due to stretch of line material. Now I went and just looked at the diagram of this Jeeps breaking system and there's not that big of a difference between left and right wheel in terms of line length. The left wheel locking up would probably be due to the steering geometry that he's mentioning, axle wrap, more weight on the driver side, and possibly unequal wear on shoes and drum. It is possible that left and right aren't adjusted perfectly symmetrical as well, although it seems like this guy is a competent mechanic so that would not be my first go to.
@williamdavidson9009
@williamdavidson9009 3 жыл бұрын
This is why they attached the bell crank to the frame on the newer Jeeps like my '56 CJ5
@-oiiio-3993
@-oiiio-3993 3 жыл бұрын
A very common retrofit on modified 'flatties', as well. Saginaw steering boxes are often seen welded to frame rails of old Ford and Willys 'Jeeps' in the U.S. for good reason. Not only does it solve the axle wrap issue, but the ross boxes really weren't very good. For restoration buffs, learn to drive the originals with full knowledge of their flaws and idiosyncrasies as this bloke is doing. Learn not to kill it and it won't kill you.
@benjohnson1082
@benjohnson1082 3 жыл бұрын
A locked brake drum doesn't turn and fight friction (generating heat) - a brake drum hard breaking but still turning is generating heat while fighting friction. So skidding tire brake drum = cooler.
@jdjeep46
@jdjeep46 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting. Thank you. I like all your gear and the jacket. Pretty neat.
@Greendot319
@Greendot319 3 жыл бұрын
ha, cheers
@inkydoug
@inkydoug 3 жыл бұрын
Jeep owners like to jokingly gripe about their Jeeps funny flaws, but those aren't nothin' compared to that one!
@donaldasayers
@donaldasayers 2 жыл бұрын
Those of us who learnt to drive in the 70s, developed reflexes for when the steering pulled to one side when breaking, you naturally compensated. Steering pulled for all sorts of reasons, split mu surfaces, uneven wear in front drums, we weren't cossetted with advanced steering geometries and ABS.
@bigears4426
@bigears4426 3 жыл бұрын
Drum brakes always need fine adjustments to keep them perfect , this vehicle probably doesn't get used much or has oil on the linings, or even rusty drums
@davidcrumpler5714
@davidcrumpler5714 Жыл бұрын
I run a little more toe-in on all mine. 1/8”-3/16”. It seemed to help stopping. Of course each time I drive there’s a different brake grabbing and takes a while for it to sort out. Added toe also helps with death wobble issues.
@johnkolk1970
@johnkolk1970 3 жыл бұрын
you can hold it straight because of the bumpsteer springs on the left side the first jeeps had identical leafsprings left and right
@dond.9023
@dond.9023 3 жыл бұрын
I agree. The left pull under braking is the fault of the poor steering geometry as you showed. Now you have a few miles on the brakes, time to do a “proper” adjustment. Large shoe to the front, L/R are mirror images. Eccentrics adjust the clearance at the wheel cylinder end of the shoes. What most people miss is the “Anchor Pin” adjustment, on the fixed bottom end of the shoes. The deal is to use a feeler gauge between the shoe and drum, top, middle, bottom of each friction surface. Modern vehicles have a free, unfixed connection at the bottom (the single star wheeled adjuster). It takes a little patience at first, but is really not that complicated. Don’t forget to have someone in the car to gently apply the brake when you hand spin the wheel, then check your adjustments before you move to the next wheel. About a 5 beer job, 2 during, 3 after😉
@-oiiio-3993
@-oiiio-3993 3 жыл бұрын
Good synopsis. Check those wheel bearings for wear and their nuts for proper adjustment while you're there.
@robBlaauw
@robBlaauw 3 жыл бұрын
I think it still is the brakes, your left wheel locks, so there is no friction in that brake drum, because it doesn’t rotate of course. The right doesn’t lock, so there actually does is (more) friction, which is why your right wheel brakedrum is warmer... thus, your left works “harder”, because it can lock a wheel. The right side cannot, so that side isn’t as effective. You can actually check the percentage of this difference between the brakes at a garage, then you know for sure...
@-oiiio-3993
@-oiiio-3993 3 жыл бұрын
It's also a shorter line from the master cylinder (under driver's left foot) to the left front wheel than to the right - it makes a difference. A common early 'rodders' retrofit was a late 50s/early 60s GMC truck master cylinder mounted to the firewall, equal length lines to the front wheels and a Saginaw steering box welded to the left frame rail.
@ClimbingEasy
@ClimbingEasy 2 жыл бұрын
This is it Exactly! Went to go comment this but I'm glad I read yours before I did.
@ClimbingEasy
@ClimbingEasy 2 жыл бұрын
@@-oiiio-3993 All single hydraulic brake systems have equal pressure in all the lines at the wheel cylinder. They all work on a form of mechanical advantage. As long as there is no air in the system, a hydraulic line that's 6 inches Long in parallel with a hydraulic line that's 10 feet long have the same PSI at the end of the line. Back in the old days the lines used to swell, which would account for pressure differences amongst lengths. Nowadays with new brake lines not so much, especially if you have steel braided brake lines. In order for the length of line to be the main difference; hydraulic fluid would have to be compressible, this would account for the different pressure rates over length of hydraulic line. But that is a physical impossibility. Hydraulic fluid is uncompressible. This is what makes hydraulics work in the first place. This is also why hydrolocking an engine will break Pistons and Rods. Your engine is trying to compress a liquid which is impossible so something else has to give way. The old school hot rodders did that trick not because of pressure differences in lengths of line due to hydraulic pressure, but mainly due to stretch of line material. Now I went and just looked at the diagram of this Jeeps breaking system and there's not that big of a difference between left and right wheel in terms of line length. The left wheel locking up would probably be due to the steering geometry that he's mentioning, axle wrap, more weight on the driver side, and possibly unequal wear on shoes and drum. It is possible that left and right aren't adjusted perfectly symmetrical as well, although it seems like this guy is a competent mechanic so that would not be my first go to.
@hanslurvink6177
@hanslurvink6177 3 жыл бұрын
Very, very useful video especially for our next generation jeep drivers (this video is now mandatory material for all my children). Hope you have time for a follow-up on how to effectively counter steer the left pull. 👍💪
@Greendot319
@Greendot319 3 жыл бұрын
Happy to see it helps!
@grantm6514
@grantm6514 2 жыл бұрын
I think the pulling sharply to the left is a safety feature, designed to eject the passengers before the jeep smashes into whatever it was that caused the driver to stand on the brakes.
@geoffreyjones2000
@geoffreyjones2000 3 жыл бұрын
Uncle Sam addressed the issue with a track bar mounted under the drivers leaf spring
@BBBILLY86
@BBBILLY86 3 жыл бұрын
Great video and testing. I agree going into a ditch would be bad, but buzzing past a column of on coming vehicles would be a disaster If you had to stop. Youd be pan caked head on by a duece and a half, tank or, half track.
@halnywiatr
@halnywiatr 3 жыл бұрын
Please do a video on the British origin of the Jeep; by way of Willys, Bantam and Austin. It really is the most improbable of automobiles.
@joelroberts3743
@joelroberts3743 3 жыл бұрын
That is what the torque reaction spring on the front spring stack is designed for.
@DoctorQuackenbush
@DoctorQuackenbush 3 жыл бұрын
Nice restoration.
@austinswallow
@austinswallow 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting, maximum braking occurs just at the moment before they lock-up and is it at that point the car veers to the left? So, to avoid trying to fight it and potentially loosing control, cadence braking (which is what a modern ABS would be doing) would be the way to maintain a straight line under emergency braking situations. I guess with modern trickery on cars that most of us drive mean we don't use the techniques of old. Good little experiement and very good to get to know your car better! Thanks for sharing!
@lonewolverinesurvivor6303
@lonewolverinesurvivor6303 18 күн бұрын
In early cj2as and later they fixed this problem by mounting the bell crank to the frame instead of the axel.
@ClimbingEasy
@ClimbingEasy 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! Deadly flaw for sure! But no bones compared to the Vietnam era Jeeps. That independent suspension with no Max straps was unnecessarily negligent on Uncle Sam's part and killed many troops. My grandfather told me the story of him losing four friends in Vietnam because their Jeep rolled over after going over a crest in a hill. The wheels folded under, Jeep flipped, crushed 2, and tossed 2. Extremely sad.
@dennislyles9920
@dennislyles9920 2 жыл бұрын
Yelp. The early Jeeps would drift to the left for the reasons you stated. They try to solve the problem by adding a extra spring . It was call a torque reaction spring. Mine doesn't have it. So I have to be ready when stopping . Just remember folks they're old Military vehicles. Not new BMW'S. Great video.
@kathyarmstrong649
@kathyarmstrong649 3 жыл бұрын
Does your jeep have a wide flat bar bolted underneath the Left side leaf spring? My 42 MB has one I believe its to control axle roll.
@CavalryClub
@CavalryClub 3 жыл бұрын
My M201 exhibits everything you demonstrated. I have gotten use to the steering fight when I have to break hard. It is even worse for me, because the French added a brake servo to provide extra that stopping power. Regular left front lock up.
@ace32107
@ace32107 3 жыл бұрын
This is why the design changed and the bell crank was attached below the radiator, and no longer attached to the axle after the war.
@-oiiio-3993
@-oiiio-3993 3 жыл бұрын
Bingo.
@lukebecker1959
@lukebecker1959 3 жыл бұрын
The right brake is hotter because it's not locking up its creating friction and warming up while the left one is just locking up
@reusablematerials
@reusablematerials 6 ай бұрын
I have had some jeeps do it and others dont, i found different rerasons, one was worn spring bushings allowing the left lurch to shimmy the axle to the left, another was loose drag link allowing the left pull to be extended , another was asbestos brakes on one side and repro brake shoes on the other , asbestos is way better for stopping than the repro material, another was uneven tyre pressures soft tyre stops better than a harder pumped tyre , loads of different reasons but it will always tend to go left a tiny amount even when all these things have been checked other than if you fit original or high friction linings on the right and repro linings on the left, that will cure it for sure
@robertsnyder5149
@robertsnyder5149 3 жыл бұрын
I solved the problem buy bolting a GM saginaw steering box to the driver's side fram in front of the grill and adding a one piece tie rod between the wheels and a one piece rod from the right side knuckle to the steering box. I used a GM tilt steering wheel and installed a pillow bloock for the new steering rod from the end of the steering wheel shaft and also installed a universal to allow the bend in the angle from the box. All this got rid of the wiggly wooblies on washboard roads too.
@-oiiio-3993
@-oiiio-3993 3 жыл бұрын
Commonly done conversions, for good reason. To a restorer, however, it would be sacrilege.
@wb5plj
@wb5plj 2 жыл бұрын
The break that is hottest should be less effective to a point, it should be less likely to lock. The proportioning valve (I wonder if those Jeep’s had one!) should help that. Maybe that is why they became common. Nice video, great keep keep them running…
@IMRROcom
@IMRROcom 2 жыл бұрын
If you watch old movies with jeeps in them, They love to come racing up and stop, all seem to dart to one side. need to watch some more to see what direction the shoot off too.
@Arcmor1
@Arcmor1 3 жыл бұрын
What about fitting torque reaction springs? It is mentioned in the manual and should reduce axle roll? They were fitted from '42 jeeps onwards or retrofitted.
@thedocisin3204
@thedocisin3204 3 жыл бұрын
Its hard to tell from the video but it appears that your torque reaction spring is in place and should eliminate the axle roll. I think the problem is maladjusted brakes. Use a feeler gauge to set the brake shoe gap and make sure no air in the lines.
@ClimbingEasy
@ClimbingEasy 2 жыл бұрын
At this time you should probably replace brakes and drums so they would wear evenly. Because now if he adjusts it they would still be at different wear patterns.
@chrisgilpin194
@chrisgilpin194 3 жыл бұрын
when you turn to the left the weight transfers so greater chance of skidding the lighter side
@highdownmartin
@highdownmartin 3 жыл бұрын
That’s the bunny. Weight coming off the near side front and loading up offside front. Bad design!
@onetonlandrover
@onetonlandrover 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting video. Land Rovers are well known for the brakes snatching. I had anticipated you would cover how so many drivers were impailed by the steering column, which I remember reading about.
@Greendot319
@Greendot319 3 жыл бұрын
I think the being impaled is taken as read!
@davidbliss1721
@davidbliss1721 3 жыл бұрын
Fixit Quick, There is a fix for front axle there should be an extra anti windup spring on the left side to stop axle twisting .
@hiscifi2986
@hiscifi2986 3 жыл бұрын
My grandfather was given an International tractor in WW2 in a scheme called 'Lend Lease'. That had the same three spoke steering wheel as the Jeep, maybe the same steering box.
@Greendot319
@Greendot319 3 жыл бұрын
There were a lot of common looking parts on WW2 American vehicles, some of it was the same but there were often subtle differences ;) Keep watching and subscribed ;)
@-oiiio-3993
@-oiiio-3993 3 жыл бұрын
Early 'Jeeps had a very simple (and not very good) Ross worm gear steering box.
@ClimbingEasy
@ClimbingEasy 2 жыл бұрын
For anyone that wants to learn more: All single hydraulic brake systems have equal pressure in all the lines at the wheel cylinder. They all work on a form of mechanical advantage. As long as there is no air in the system, a hydraulic line that's 6 inches Long in parallel with a hydraulic line that's 10 feet long have the same PSI at the end of the line. Back in the old days the lines used to swell, which would account for pressure differences amongst lengths. Nowadays with new brake lines not so much, especially if you have steel braided brake lines. In order for the length of line to be the main difference; hydraulic fluid would have to be compressible, this would account for the different pressure rates over length of hydraulic line. But that is a physical impossibility. Hydraulic fluid is uncompressible. This is what makes hydraulics work in the first place. This is also why hydrolocking an engine will break Pistons and Rods. Your engine is trying to compress a liquid which is impossible so something else has to give way. The old school hot rodders would equalize the lines not because of pressure differences in lengths of line, but mainly due to stretch of line material. Now I just looked at the diagram of this Jeeps breaking system and there's not that big of a difference between left and right wheel in terms of line length. The left wheel locking up would probably be due to the steering geometry that he's mentioning, axle wrap, more weight on the driver side, and possibly unequal wear on shoes and drum. It is possible that left and right aren't adjusted perfectly symmetrical as well, although it seems like this guy is a competent mechanic so that would not be my first go to.
@timblack6422
@timblack6422 3 жыл бұрын
Good understanding of the geometry issue!
@timblack6422
@timblack6422 3 жыл бұрын
Shoe adjustment is key
@-oiiio-3993
@-oiiio-3993 3 жыл бұрын
@@timblack6422 Yes. That and check for leaks.
@antonisubiracomas5577
@antonisubiracomas5577 3 жыл бұрын
Nice video!!!!
@wandellpassah8086
@wandellpassah8086 6 күн бұрын
Loved RIMS with Caution Deflate The Tyre Before Removing The Rims
@fnln544
@fnln544 3 жыл бұрын
Great Jeep and uniform. Easy resolution: You'll just have to drive on the 'right' side. You're an 'American Soldier' driving a left hand drive military vehicle, so those (fellow) British drivers will know you're a 'crazy Yank' and are just going to have to get out of YOUR way. All jokes aside, thanks for the important video. Onward, 'Jeepers!'
@nlpnt
@nlpnt 2 жыл бұрын
That only works if the oncoming car is an Austin Seven.
@pcmmulders
@pcmmulders 3 жыл бұрын
Great video again Matt. Wonder what the effect must have been before they added the extra leaf springs at the left front side.
@Greendot319
@Greendot319 3 жыл бұрын
Deadly!
@donstewart2059
@donstewart2059 3 жыл бұрын
Hi also the australian army did a moderation to the front steering and added a small gusset plate to the steering it can be seen behind bumperbar without opening botnet it has to be welded onto the steering new parts have not been modernised each battion was sent the gusset plate to get their workshop to weld in place in ww2
@MrJeep75
@MrJeep75 3 жыл бұрын
They help that issue with the civilan Jeep's buy attached the bell crank to the cross member
@richardpalleschi4807
@richardpalleschi4807 3 жыл бұрын
Correct put new bushings in many of them over the years. Still think the one he drives has a brake issue. The front axle shouldn't move enough on the springs to do that.
@rundllx3228
@rundllx3228 2 жыл бұрын
The hotter the brakes the more fading you get. That means it makes sense that the brake that doesn't lock up is hotter. It could be because it had to work harder during the first tests where the jeep veered to the left. The wheel on the outside of the curve hat to work harder because the wheel travelled a greater distance.
@cumminsscout
@cumminsscout 3 жыл бұрын
Mine has the torque reacton spring and I really don't notice a problem at all but maybe I counter it unconsciously. I really think is is no big deal.
@ianmarshall170
@ianmarshall170 3 жыл бұрын
My Dad passed is driving test in one of these in 1957 and he said compared to Austins ,Morris etc they where far better great acceleration & did at least brake!!
@Greendot319
@Greendot319 3 жыл бұрын
I agree and I haven't driven any 50s British cars ;)
@wandellpassah8086
@wandellpassah8086 3 жыл бұрын
Now I realised what I could never understand through out my driving experience .And now I also realise the steering box is not that strong or mechanical advantage is not ss those 1972 big box.Brake is the best as Lockheed is making it.Thanks you very much.All queries solved.
@wandellpassah8086
@wandellpassah8086 3 жыл бұрын
Cross member but has one problem in rough road that ends in wobbling as the tie rods dance up down and geometry tells us the effective lenght varies to wobble not experienced in bell crank fixed directly to differential .
@MrLegograbber99
@MrLegograbber99 3 жыл бұрын
Just a thought. If the right one didnt lock then the shoes would rub and create more heat. The left brake locked up so didnt create the friction to heat up 🤔 just a thought. Cracking video
@Greendot319
@Greendot319 3 жыл бұрын
Very true, ta
@kenneychappuis1853
@kenneychappuis1853 3 жыл бұрын
LOL Bump steer. Try owning a straight front axle four wheel drive with a seven inch lift kit. People would freak out when the steering wheel jerked around when hitting a dump in the road
@wandellpassah8086
@wandellpassah8086 6 күн бұрын
Thank You I have MB Willys 1942 Only the 6 Volt Battery Not Available 12 Volt replaced And sad Dynamo Self Starter Housing Delco Remy Regulator have to be replaced . Wiper Air Wiper from Manifold Quarter Ton But Market Vehicle 2.5 Ton with Bantam Trailer
@mafiapuppet5759
@mafiapuppet5759 Жыл бұрын
They moved that bell crank to the frame on later models as per 1962 cj5
@martinfortune9988
@martinfortune9988 2 жыл бұрын
Of course you have to turn the other way you have to in effect lengthen the drag link
@gaurav78jeeps82
@gaurav78jeeps82 3 жыл бұрын
My willy also do that . rear left drum pulls it in left direction
@DARisse-ji1yw
@DARisse-ji1yw 3 жыл бұрын
Ralph Nader would have lost the war for us....
@wb5plj
@wb5plj 2 жыл бұрын
You need to remember the bump steer and compression steer while it was notably on the Jeep (I have heard about it, though never driven one) was common on trucks and many cars of the time. So any of those young guys that grew up on a farm or handled trucks would have been ready for it though perhaps not as much as they got. Even 1980 solid axel chevy trucks would do this though to a lesser degree, as well as modern jeeps. All solid front axels will, as you point out one end is moving relative and one is not, steering must be done. You just counter steer, It can catch someone off guard who is not familiar, or in a war zone. Or if you have only driven modern vehicles with IFS you may be totally unfamiliar. I don’t know if it is “deadly” but defiantly could encourage you to say hi to the ditch. At least it is a left hand side arm. Other wise in your country it would tend to shove you into oncoming traffic. Not sure which is better.
@markwatson3135
@markwatson3135 2 жыл бұрын
Great looking Jeep and you looked like you stepped out of a photo. Do you have the machine gun mount or did only some keeps get them?
@robertwalley6692
@robertwalley6692 3 жыл бұрын
The brakes may not be adjusted the same, I believe they had all 4 drum breaks. I was a wheel vech. mechanic in the military.
@-oiiio-3993
@-oiiio-3993 3 жыл бұрын
Brakes, and you're right.
@architecture_A51
@architecture_A51 3 жыл бұрын
Nearly all vehicles pulled to one side or the other for decades (especially when you lock up a wheel) and for very simple reasons and why anti-lock breaks were developed. One side will inherently slow the wheel, if not lock it up before the other pulling the vehicle to the left or right, a big factor is the weight distribution between the wheels, wear in the brake pads, mechanical wear, differences in wheel temperature, surface conditions and etc... In northern climates, we used brake pumping to help keep the brakes from locking up on ice for years before the modern breaking tech came out helping to solve the problem, even the first anti-lock breaks would pull a little depending on surface conditions and the same factors.
@ClimbingEasy
@ClimbingEasy 2 жыл бұрын
100%!!! So good.
@goobernuttridge6476
@goobernuttridge6476 3 жыл бұрын
Good content, questionable choice of signage in the background.
@survivalgoldhunter
@survivalgoldhunter 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I found that out lastnight..... Hit those breaks hard.. and I ended up going left...
@BilgePump
@BilgePump 3 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of a 63 Dodge i had a long time ago.
@Greendot319
@Greendot319 3 жыл бұрын
They like to keep us on our toes
@teamidris
@teamidris 3 жыл бұрын
I own a 1958 S1 landrover. It has a chassis mounted steering relay. If you brake hard and don’t steer, it will will mess you up :o) Seriously though, so will trucks, especially articulated ones on country lanes. Great vid though, fascinating. And a lovely jeep ^-^
@Greendot319
@Greendot319 3 жыл бұрын
Cheers, I would love to drive an early mark landrover one day and compare them!
@teamidris
@teamidris 3 жыл бұрын
@@Greendot319 I’m in Staffordshire and I think you are well down south, but, good news, there are so many early 80” landrovers about you should be able to get a drive if you go on the SORC forum :o)
@dalemettee1147
@dalemettee1147 2 жыл бұрын
Now, did you get the fix? A addon stabilizer arm for the left hand side.
@Buck1954
@Buck1954 3 жыл бұрын
I like the Keep Out sign. Wonder if it's effective.
@Greendot319
@Greendot319 3 жыл бұрын
Apparently not
@azovnyekhaclassicalacousti4639
@azovnyekhaclassicalacousti4639 Жыл бұрын
I know jeep brakes are much better than any other cars even during 70s and 80s in my country.😎👍
@gjs9871
@gjs9871 3 жыл бұрын
Can you do a overview on how all the accessories work that you have. Patricianly the gun mount.
@Greendot319
@Greendot319 3 жыл бұрын
I will have a video with my new Rifle bracket at some point ;)
@tempestmkiv
@tempestmkiv 3 жыл бұрын
Are you sure it's the front brakes locking and not the rears?
@jameswarner2954
@jameswarner2954 3 жыл бұрын
i love the Jacket,,,
@Greendot319
@Greendot319 3 жыл бұрын
cheers, original M43
@IMRROcom
@IMRROcom 2 жыл бұрын
I thought you were going to talk about that spear in the center of the steering wheel....
@SuperVeshi
@SuperVeshi 3 жыл бұрын
I find it doesn't do the side spin aslong as u don't push the clutch too early, mine does 90 degrees turn to the left when I push clutch and break
@SuperVeshi
@SuperVeshi 3 жыл бұрын
This seems like a safety feature if you drive on the left hand side, death feature if u drive on the right
@yurinator7274
@yurinator7274 3 жыл бұрын
Any chance one of the rear brakes is grabbing harder than the other? Maybe next time check the rear brake temps. Great video.
@Greendot319
@Greendot319 3 жыл бұрын
Cheers, its an interesting idea but my rears are very well balanced, I don't think they are making much difference here, what we are seeing is the classic jeep left hand dip! Steer away!
@mangledjargon5728
@mangledjargon5728 3 жыл бұрын
Later in WWII, Willys made a design change to prevent the front axle from rolling, and this problem was solved
@williamwelsh5855
@williamwelsh5855 2 жыл бұрын
I suspect the loose grip saved a lot of broken thumbs,
@kareemvitar6645
@kareemvitar6645 3 жыл бұрын
I think it needs a sway bar,like wrangler yj.
@dbmail545
@dbmail545 3 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of speed wobbles on motorcycles. The secret to not crashing is holding the handlebars loosely
@meltinghead9469
@meltinghead9469 3 жыл бұрын
Aren,t you forgetting the rear brakes? And do all 4 brakes have the same brakepower?
@Greendot319
@Greendot319 3 жыл бұрын
Rears are less powerful than the fronts
@erickmarkon812
@erickmarkon812 2 жыл бұрын
I just backed the left brake shoes off a touch. Mine brakes straight every time
@evanlawson4515
@evanlawson4515 3 жыл бұрын
Does the weight of the driver make a difference?
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