Italy's WORST Air Crash | Collision on the Runway | Linate Airport Disaster

[@nickbentley8760]

As the crash was happening a Lufthansa aircraft was cleared to takeoff into the mess, the crew declined the clearance as they had not seen the aircraft appear on their TCAS climbing away. excellent situational awareness that probably saved many more lives.I use this as a tool even to this day when in LVPs

[@GreenDotAviation]

That's incredible. The chances of an accident are so low even in low visibility that their decision not to takeoff for that reason shows a (true) abundance of caution. Great tip.

[@toonmag50]

I wasn't aware that TCAS could work on the ground.

[@nickbentley8760]

@@toonmag50 yes as traffic advisory

[@toonmag50]

@@nickbentley8760 interesting. So perhaps the two aircraft involved in the collision didn't have TCAS installed or were too busy with other activities?

[@nickbentley8760]

@@toonmag50 you can’t see other aircraft on the ground only ones in the air. ATC can, with ground movement system but it wasn’t installed at the time

[@CRS-zw8rm]

"at Sierra 4" ATC: "Whatever."

[@charleshessproductions]

they're like yeah i'd like to see the sierras some time

[@dodgepod123]

I have been watching various flight channels on Utube for years. I find this channel very watchable and produced to a high quality. Keep it going .

[@GorgeDawes]

There are shades of the Ponte Morandi bridge collapse disaster here. Ample warning that a disaster was likely and yet no action taken to avoid it.

[@stavrosk.2868]

I once went on vacation to Italy. Never again. Beautiful country but totally corrupt.

[@ZombieSazza]

It’s actually rage inducing hearing how negligent the airport was about safety

[@NABracing]

Actual fact no company cares about safety. They care about profit, if they make a fuck load of profit they gotta really pretend they care about safety. All a facade

[@sgtmattkind]

Yea...that's absolutely not true kiddo @@NABracing

[@aliamacintyre483]

Italy. Very very nonchalant culture.

[@obiwankenobi4252]

@@aliamacintyre483we actually have a term, in Italian, for this: “Pressappochismo”, literally meaning “More-or-less-ness”, meaning a tendency to act with approximation and without care for precision or exactness. It’s a very common trait for Italians and it has a lot of negative consequences

[@1crafter176]

Yep And it was nearly worse, since a Luftansa aircraft had been cleared for takeoff on the same runway, and only didn't because they hadn't seen the previous plane appear on its TCAS system It's insane how bad some airports used to be at ensuring safety

[@CraftMine1000]

"It's fog, I can't see anything and someone just asked me if I heard explosions, eh probably just the wind, also I won't check the state on a aircraft that has supposedly just been sitting on a taxiway for over 10 minutes, everything is a o-k in my book" The tower controller probably

[@hobbowizardanimations]

Ehhh they're Italiano forget it pizza pasta

[@davidjma7226]

Seven years the ground radar was kept in a box - even after the existing system packed up!? I hope that was regarded as negligence!

[@noob.168]

just in case the tech become outdated and they decide to refund.

[@SuperLordHawHaw]

Welcome to Italy

[@ajs41]

Ground radar was one of the recommendations of the 1977 Tenerife crash. It's incredible that it still hadn't been installed at this airport 24 years later.

[@mathiasblm9482]

I cant understand why they bothered buying the ground radar if they didnt plan on installing it. Who keeps a probably multimillion dollar tool that would make their jobs a lot easier just lying around?

[@nicadair7700]

​@@mathiasblm9482The Italians.

[@nicklowe1815]

​@@nicadair7700Ferrari and their example of Incompetence: Hello

[@dtnnos7851]

@@nicadair7700😂😂😂

[@stanislavferanec6194]

Odpočíval v sklade na letisku.

[@EannaButler]

Yes, some really sloppy stuff here, but the one fact that caused this on this day, for me, was that S4 wasn't on the controller's maps!! 😮

[@GreenDotAviation]

Really insane that an airport like that could have incorrect maps.

[@NicolaW72]

Yes, unbelievable. And that the ATC doesn´t informed the pilots that a "Sierra 4" doesn´t exist at Taxiway 5. It could have prevented this crash.

[@robertjenkins6132]

Also the fact that there was no ground radar? They bought the radar but it was sitting in a box?

[@Sacto1654]

The lack of ground radar at the time proved to be fatal in this accident. You'd think after the Tenerife tragedy in 1977, ground radar would be mandatory at most airports shortly afterwards.

[@travisrlel2]

Same with at LAX in '86. Mid air collision while their new radar was sitting in a box in a corner.

[@stevencooke6451]

I kept thinking of that disaster. Not often are you given warnings that a disaster is imminent, but it sounds as if there were plenty of them at Lanata, but the culture at that airport and probably overall with the Italian agency that overseas air travel in that country. I've heard so many negative about Italian airports I've never felt safe flying there. Hopefully, broader changes in the industry followed this preventable crash. And, I'm happy that Alitalia no longer exists as it was a terrible airline.

[@NicolaW72]

Yes, and especially at large airports like Linate where fog is something usual.

[@lilg2300]

even in tenerife itself radar wasn't installed after the tragedy of 1977. it took many years.

[@Sacto1654]

@@lilg2300 Probably because Tenerife wasn't the main airport for the Canary Islands at the time. They built a more modern airport on the south side of the island, now one of the busiest airports in Europe.

[@Dovietail]

Italian government: This incident is not the result of terrorism, but rather of the fact that we are incapable of the safe management of a lemonade stand, let alone a major airport.

[@assrammington7961]

@@savannah115that’s probably why they don’t care these days. They know they’ll never be anything close to their peak so they just don’t try anymore

[@henryptung]

"After the incident, they quickly installed the ground radar system, which had been lying in a box at the airport for years" ...how? Just...how?

[@rilmar2137]

At first I thought there would be a lot similarities to Tenerife. Except, Tenerife was an accident. Linate was criminal negligence.

[@johnpekkala6941]

However the Tenerife pilot was impatient to get home and ignored to wait for take off clearence. Instead he took off anyways and the disaster was a fact.

[@NicolaW72]

Yes, indeed.

[@1mol831]

@@johnpekkala6941 well he did leave early…

[@stavrosk.2868]

No. Tenerife was the result of the KLM pilot's criminal arrogance.

[@ajs41]

@@stavrosk.2868 A mixture of the KLM pilot, the air traffic control, and the terrorist bombing. But mostly the KLM pilot.

[@zew1414]

On the ground you have so many planes in such a small area and so much movement, it's a miracle that we don't see more ground accidents! But this airport is pure negligent! Especially having the ground radar system just sitting there in a box!? Wow! Such a shame really 😔

[@kevin42]

For 7 fucking years...

[@CAROLUSPRIMA]

This is the best aviation channel in explaining the context of a crash and analyzing the causes. Bar none.

[@GreenDotAviation]

Very kind of you!

[@debayanDas]

I am guessing you haven’t discovered the Mentour Pilot channel yet then. No doubt Green Dot deserves to grow from current levels, but Mentour is the pinnacle of production quality as far as aviation related videos go right now

[@CAROLUSPRIMA]

@@debayanDas Yes I have. But it’s apples and oranges. Mentour Pilot is a different kind of channel. I like Mentour Pilot immensely but the two channels are too different for me to compare them.

[@1776PonySoldier]

I totally agree. Airspace and Green Dot are my two favorites.

[@johnshipley1389]

Mentor pilot is good but I find green dots accent easy to pick up every word clearly but mentor pilots less so but I appreciate it’s not his first language so FairPlay he has an excellent accent and English vocabulary considering that.

[@raven_1133]

The Scandinavian pilots handled it the best they could. They never gave up attempting to control the aircraft. Not to mention the Lufthansa aircraft.

[@laceneil4570]

Cuz of the Scandinavian pilots' magnificent efforts, the plane avoided crashing into the main building. Far more people's lives would have been lost had that happened.

[@TheBobbyVilla]

Great new channel, great content and perfectly explained for the layman like myself..spot on duration too . All really well put together, keep them coming because I've watched all of them. Subbed

[@hankrogers2959]

Good video, that was the standard in Italy at that time and as you said, it was due to happen. I remember talking to a colleague after the crash saying "if they would have used stopp bars, it would not have happened" his reply was "But then they need to switch it off and on for every aircraft, I don't think they are going to do that" I guess that gives an idea how aviation was in Italy at that time.

[@dex1lsp]

Italy's infamously lackadaisical inefficiency and dysfunction cost all those lives. Terrible.

[@jlpkbrb1086]

To this day, the country has the same attitude. They don't care about anything

[@RossoMalpelo18]

I sadly agree.

[@EnricoDiLauro]

i am italian and i agree@@jlpkbrb1086

[@nicklowe1815]

Ferrari's f1 Incompetence is an example of Italian idiocy

[@Frazat.]

​@@nicklowe1815 This has nothing to do with incompetence

[@Joseph-qb1es]

This channel is a hidden gem. This time next year you will have crossed 100K subs, if I was to bet.

[@GreenDotAviation]

That's the goal!

[@CAROLUSPRIMA]

I agree. It’ll get there. It’s too good not to be noticed and in a big way.

[@juliaceroberts]

1 year later. 112k subscribers! Discovered this channel a couple weeks ago.

[@cutepotato_22]

Now it's like 320K lol

[@mikekeci1152]

“Tower controllers were relying on pilot reports to build a mental picture of the situation” is the most common phrase in these videos. The fact that the equipment was in a box is peak italian negligence, simply infuriating. RIP

[@ankurdev1419]

Realising JAL crash in 2024 in Tokyo could have been so much worse 😮

[@Chironex_Fleckeri]

It's really interesting to watch these incident reports (top-notch work btw) as someone who has only a passing interest in aviation. I think I've learned a lot about why planes do things like holding patterns, basic best practices in air traffic, "magenta line ... babies", the friendly but very assertive JFK controllers and I really like that you point out the pilot workload bit. Yeah, it seems like in those high workload situations you want minds that can cover each others' blindspots. Good teamwork and task delegation, and even fragmentary situational awareness can easily avert disasters like this. That Air India crew who had like 7200kg of fuel left after a 15 hour flight and tons of critical system failures over JFK, and they were able to work together to get the plane on the ground safely. That was an incredible story. It's good to know the type of people who work in this industry are some of our brightest and most talented. I could never be a pilot or ATC. This channel only confirms that. You're doing a good job conveying how demanding it is. Even on an average day, it's still a helluva responsibility. My job has stressful times, but I've never had to do the mental calculus that pilots and ATC do in stressful situations. The stakes for the pilot/crew are all-in every flight. Gotta deliver the right results in a few seconds or minutes or people aren't going home. I have a lot of respect for what they do.

[@I_Am_SciCurious]

I saw the immediate aftermath of this crash. We were driving from Germany to spend the night in Milan and we were stuck in a traffic jam around the airport. My brain refused to process that I was looking at wreckage, because crashes are so extraordinarily rare that you never think you’ll see one in person. This was back in 2001 when internet capable cell phones were just becoming a thing, and the only news available was in Italian.

[@torgeirbrandsnes1916]

Great vlog as always. At that time I was working for SAS as a red cap. I remember my boss telling me of a SAS plane missing at LIN. That hit like a cannon ball. A few hours went by and the accident was a fact. A person at the crisis team wanted me to fly up north and escort a family who had lost loved ones in the accident. I said no problem, I will go and help. It was so the people did not ending up flying to Oslo that day. The came a week or so later with no escort. That will be with me for the rest of my days. Rip.

[@NicolaW72]

I can imagine this.

[@Nobilangelo]

They were so incompetent that they could not even design an accident. It took several attempts to get the 'desired' result.

[@charliecharliewhiskey9403]

8 years and 6.5 years, *reduced to 5 years and 3.5 years.* For extreme criminal negligence resulting in the loss of 118 people and 2 aeroplanes. After at least one recent runway incursion and one almost-but-not-quite runway incursion the day before. That's RIDICULOUS. Yeah sure, blame is less important than lessons we can learn, but seriously. It's not even like this created useful lessons to learn from, because all of these negligent "mistakes" were things that were already well known, and standards and procedures *already existed* and were *widely known* to fix these things.

[@alessiosartori5637]

I still remember the sound of the crash. I can’t believe they didn’t notice right away.

[@Guangrui]

A serious runway incursion incident happened in October 2016(?) at Hongqiao Airport of Shanghai, resulting in 2 aircrafts carrying hundreds of passengers to be within seconds of colliding, and worse still a cover up attempt was made subsequently. It may be worthwhile for this channel to make an episode on that incident.

[@GreenDotAviation]

Thanks for the suggestion, I'll look into this!

[@SMaamri78]

After watching many of these types of videos, I have been surprised at how many crashes take place within sight of the airport. Even in good weather and/or while still on the ground.

[@undyla-chan1675]

As an Italian, I truly do love my country and I wouldn't give it up for the world, but I have to unfortunately recognize that this part of Italian mentality drives me crazy, though it's slowly changing with the younger generations getting fed up with it too. Safety is way better now, but the story of "we have it, it's just been lying in a box this whole time" is way too familiar. Someone in the comments said that this happened because companies only care about profit. In this case, as someone who knows Italian culture, I disagree. It is common for systems to not be put in place just because people are too lax about it. Even if it proves to be an economical advantage they sometimes won't do it. Luckily this does not happen with safety as often as it did in the early 2000's because otherwise we'd probably all be dead by now

[@Xamry]

Hearing the part of SAS making it airborne, to then running out of runway and smashing into the building killing everyone instantly got me 😢

[@jamc666]

the two most used words in italian are "aspetare" (wait) and "domani" (tomorrow).

[@cedarkey]

I know Italy and in particular Milan Linate, is full of Irish registered aircraft (for ‘tax’ purposes), but I wasn’t aware that it had Irish controllers and pilots as well 😉 Great channel by the way. Clear, concise and all your videos are well presented. ☘️

[@GreenDotAviation]

We are everywhere ;) Thanks!

[@EIRE55]

@@GreenDotAviation I'm from Baile Átha Clíath, and am currently living in the UK. Which part are you from?

[@NicolaW72]

I don´t understand what you mean with "Irish Pilots". The two SAS pilots (Captain from Sweden, FO from Denmark) had no guilt for this crash, they fought to the last moment to safe their plane and the lifes of the souls on board. The two Cessna pilots messed up, but they were Germans, not Irish. But the negligence at that airport at that time provoked such mistakes.

[@lndhold6609]

@@NicolaW72 my assumption is Cedar Key was making note of the audio (Green Dot) being Irish

[@plusplusplusplusp]

'It's ok, there's no traffic at the moment.' Fuck me!

[@pibbles-a-plenty1105]

As has been often stated, new safety regulations are written in the blood of the deceased. 😩

[@qisenwang370]

NOICE!!!! I'm very satisfied of my first notification from you.

[@GreenDotAviation]

I'm glad!

[@Meetology]

Very impressive new channel. Superb explanation and great voice, too. You are destined for big things - congratulations.

[@GreenDotAviation]

Thank you!

[@gerardleahy6946]

It simply beggars belief that such a thing could happen in a 1st world country so recently. That airport should have had its licence revoked. One piece of vital safety equipment was decomissioned while its replacement sat in a box for 7 years. Add that to slipshod maintenance of runway signage, turning off the motion sensors and a total indifference to safety protocols by the ATC staff and thus was a tragedy waiting to happen. If the circumstances of the accident were outlined and the audience asked to guess the location, I believe most people would have suggested one of the poorest and most underdeveloped places on Earth. The people who allowed that airport to function should, in my opinion, have been jailed for life on multiple counts of manslaughter.

[@BobbyGeneric145]

Excellent video. You an Mini Air Crash are my favorite aviation channels. Maximus is good too.

[@zazaa69420]

Another thing you missed was the R6 Runway was new, And it was ment to be labled R5 to be in siquential order, ei: R1 R2 R3 R4 R5 R6 going Clockwise, But it is done as R1, R2, R3, R4, R6, R5, Because R6 was new and R5 wasnt changed to R6 out of lazeyness. Thats why the original mistake of taking the wrong taxiway happened by the private Jets.

[@1776PonySoldier]

I just love your channel. Absolutely my favorite aviation disaster channel on youtube.

[@GreenDotAviation]

Thank you!

[@tyson2496]

Watched this on a V1 Simulations stream. Thank-you for letting him share your content. Your videos are awesome!

[@davidtresarden9069]

I wonder if the Italian aviation authorities were criminalised as well as the Controllers

[@lenkapenka6976]

Very clear and concise accurate narration, very impressed!

[@GreenDotAviation]

Thank you kindly!

[@MISTERLeSkid]

I like the format. No actors, no tragic personal stories.... just the facts.

[@ceres4828]

Yes. I loved mayday but it is too much repetition and actor footage. This is just plain and simple show through the events and causes.

[@jameswikstrom4174]

Excellent presentation of accident traffic investigation. Really enjoyed your thoroughness and description of what exactly happened at Linate ,Italy. I wish you the best of luck with the new accident investigation channel! Linate was an accident waiting to happen as you explained so well in your commentary.

[@GreenDotAviation]

Thanks so much! Glad you enjoyed it.

[@joshuapatrick682]

Such a preventable tragedy, did Tenerife teach us nothing about fog laden Airports???

[@koharumi1]

Can anyone explain why they had bought the ground radar but not decide to install it?!

[@FrostySumo]

I do love this channel. What is it with the Italians and sending people to jail for disasters? If this would happen in America the guy would get fired and never would be an ATC person again but I don't think they would be indicted criminally for it. I think Italy has some very generic negligence laws. They basically just get to decide what they think is negligence and what they think is fine. They tried to indict a bunch of scientists for not being able to predict an earthquake. That is insane.

[@alessandroarcuri209]

"If this would happen in America", yeah well, in Italy there's a different set of laws. As in many other parts of the world, that's not a surprise. But they don't "get to decide what is negligence and what is fine", the laws are very clear. They just tend to overlook them. Until it's too late, and oooops, disaster strikes! And then, all of a sudden, they start applying the laws strictly. At least for a while. The thing about the scientist and the earthquake was just a lousy move from a shitty political movement that festered on laymen's ignorance to gain leverage, and that was one of the results. Fortunately that particular political party is now almost irrelevant. Sadly, general ignorance is still on the rise so we might be hearing other stuff like that again.

[@georgittesingbiel219]

Remnants of the gladiator days !

[@CascadiaAviation]

Having runway incursions alerts and a moving map of the airport like on ForeFlight would have helped a lot

[@JDMHaze]

fun fact: just the day before there was another close call were the same exact accident literally almost happened, but the visibility was slightly better and it was BARELY avoided… But literally, the exact same thing almost happened the day before at this airport in 24 hours later it happened … ridiculous

[@achalbhoir1359]

Actually the person who decides what and when to commission/decommission the electronic equipments should be jailed ( mostly then management person) but they jailed different person...

[@olm8829]

They bought a radar and then waited seven f*cking years to install it? Why? Just why?

[@hasanimam3102]

Great explanation. Loved it. Please make a video on the US Bangla- 211 crash in Nepal.

[@andersforsberg1737]

Ahh, Italy. Always nice to take the time machine back 50,years!

[@trapattoni_]

Great video! (as all of them 👏🏻👏🏻) Last week (18.11.2022) there was a runway incursion by firefighters in Lima, Perú. Meanwhile, an Airbus A320 neo (flight LA2213, of Latam) was taking off with around 108 souls on board. The A320 crashed with the firetruck at around 140 knots. Incredibly, no one on board was seriously injured, but two of the firefighters passed away on the incident 😢 😥

[@alicedelarge]

At first I thought they probably just recently got the radar and haven't gotten around to installing it, but when you said they've had them for 7 years, I almost had to laugh because it's so ridiculous.

[@DeeKay-yy7op]

Always takes desths in the Aviation industry for known problems to be changed...SAD!!!

[@eX0Noah]

What a great new channel. I've binged all your videos and subbed. Keep it up!

[@9volt65]

Hmm, the ATC got jail time, but not the people running the airport. Weird…🤔

[@thesocialartsclub9095]

Laziness and procrastination...cost so many lives.

[@toonmag50]

A refreshing commentary with better explanations than other vids. Subscribed and cancelled the other breathless/ gabling /sub-titled other nonsense.

[@yamahass66]

It's called italian ignorance

[@joshuapatrick682]

Geez, this whole situation is a bureaucrat’s worst nightmare, and i hate bureaucracy but when it comes to airplane safety, it actually works.

[@sandra2631]

With these weather conditions being "usual", how can they NOT have ground radar? I don't know anything, but it's pretty obvious to me.

[@naumanhashmi4447]

8 years of prison to controller and any punishment for authorities who didnt install the ground radar?

[@Alirezarz62]

The weird coincidence is that the word "Lanate" in Persian means "Cursed"!

[@barnabuskorrum4004]

After rome, something happened and italians became inept. Im italian.

[@mrjedmonkey]

Great channel, a new favourite. Concise yet factual

[@m.streicher8286]

Is it just me or does insufficient radar play a part in something like 7/10 fatal crashes...

[@garfarrell]

Not an aircrash I was familiar with. Very well put together. Thank you

[@GreenDotAviation]

Thanks Gary! Glad you liked it.

[@ram0502d]

Radar in a box for 7 years? Italian management style?

[@lucaswinter9019]

Great video…👍 i love X-Plane 11

[@roberthuot7887]

So much complacency here. It always takes an accident to fix the problems. Unfortunately this was a huge and deadly fix!

[@NicolaW72]

Thank you very much for taking up this tragic and indeed totally avoidable event!

[@landychen9968]

So horrible 😭

[@billylain7456]

Your videos are excellent. Thank you!

[@jason41a]

classic italians tbh. i was in a hostel in milan in 2013, and the owner smokes inside next to the sign saying 'vietato fumare' meaning probition to smoke. oh well.

[@MrTaftava]

Wow, that's quite some stereotyping right there. Lemme guess: American?

[@mach_chickengaming4078]

This channel and pilot debrief have become my two favorite channels on youtube, thank you for everything you do for the aviation community, these videos definitely help raise awareness and are a great teachable moment and reminder that with experience you can’t become complacent

[@rationalbacon5872]

Frightening.

[@beargillesgaming]

New to this channel but it seems any time he mentions that the crew/anyone has to relay positions w/o radar there’s gonna be problems. Love these videos cannot get enough of them.

[@genericname2778]

Great video, appreciate all the work you put into them!

[@GreenDotAviation]

Much appreciated!

[@viditsharma6663]

Why did I watch all the videos in one go, a night before my flight???? You've a subscriber none the less

[@Ruralthailandliving]

As a ex airline flight attendant for 31 years, I will have to say this things need to happen for change, we just have to hope that we're not the people that cause to change....

[@WendysCove]

WHY THE BLINKIN HECK WASNT TCAS USED?????????????. WHY WHY WHY🎉🎉🎉

[@peteconrad2077]

Because TCAS isn’t designed for ground use and the taxiing aircraft would he in not be in alert mode.

[@alcoholfree6381]

The correlation of the commentary with the visuals of what it was like in the cockpit and the surrounding area really increases the thrill factor! In this episode it is unbelievable that anybody would try to fly? Sheer insanity if you ask me. You cannot drive if you cannot see; that makes sense to me. I lived in Medford, Oregon where fog will stop all flying for days on end. This disaster was totally avoidable. Sad 😢 that all those people died.

[@SuperLordHawHaw]

If it was this foggy they should've closed the airport

[@muhammadyogamaheswara2790]

Next Episode: "Blown Away" TransAsia Airways flight 222. ATR 72-500. Registrated B-22810. Kaohsiung - Magong. With Flightgear. Please? 10.000K Subs. Amin Ya Rabbal Alamin....

[@anthropocene-]

I am layman. But I get profound wisdom about life from this channel. Human psychology, life dependency on machines, situational awareness.

[@CaptVirtual]

If you work as a controller at an airport, particularly if you are handling ground traffic, you should not need an airport chart to know where S4 is, you should know every single inch of that airport in your head.

[@madmax8949]

The Cessna pilot said, "I said Bud Light not turn right!"

[@Jr100R34fan]

Amazing new channel, can’t wait to watch it grow!

[@DavidG2P]

Typisch Italien

[@hobbowizardanimations]

Eeehh pizza pasta mario Luigi ehh Lamborghini .. KABOOM 😢

[@mattsan70]

Dare I say it "That's Italians for you" They are quite arrogant and have quite a careless attitude to things" sorry to generalise but it's my experience as a 50yo man.

[@tedsmith6137]

This presentation would have been improved by an overall map, showing the routes of both aircraft rather than bits of the map and asking us to try and piece the overall situation together. I had to use Google Earth to make sense of the paths taken and the relationship between the aircraft.

[@change_your_oil_regularly4287]

👍

[@ExecutorQ3]

IIRC (amd don't mistake this eitth another accidemt) they did not even have sierra 4 position marked on maps (in the towet) since it was old marker that was left on the ranway. Anyway that was so Italian - having tech for years yet so lazy to move and install it. I hope they all live a good live with their concience - that their laziness cost lives.