NOT GOOD: 5950X With a Cheap AMD Box Cooler

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#Ryzen #5950X

[@abizarthahir3613]

Did it run? Yes What did it cost? 10 whole cores

[@JiArumaiti]

You should try with the wraith prism since that's what AMD would include with the high-end chips

[@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe]

cools a 2700x perfectly fine but doubt it can cool much beyond 100w tdp

[@stageselectca]

@@JudeTheKZbinPoopersubscribe works pretty fine with a 3900x actually too.. surprised they didn't include it with the 5800x and 5900x this time. I'm a crazy person planning on using my ancient hyper 212 with a 5900x whenever I get it lol.

[@CaveyMoth]

@@JudeTheKZbinPoopersubscribe Yeah, my 2700x is happy with its Wraith Prism. I have a Corsair H115i that I got on sale, but I don't know if I even want to install it. XP

[@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe]

@@CaveyMoth it'll probably just be a little quieter and maybe a few C cooler.

[@thaddeuscosse9527]

@@JudeTheKZbinPoopersubscribe definitely quieter. I kept the prism on my 2700x until the Noctua UH12S came in lol.

[@thomasl.3663]

I wonder how it would do with a Wraith Prism

[@greenprotag]

I am curious about this too. If the prism holds the stock boost clocks it might be worth buying one used. Then again if you are buying a 5950 you should probably buying noctua or 240-360 AIO.

[@greenprotag]

What I really want to know is, can you OC a 5600x on a prism.

[@HanazonoFiama]

@@greenprotag probably since the TDP for a prism is rated at 105W I believe.

[@leflate]

@@greenprotag a 25$ gammax will cool better than a Wraith Prism

[@blkspade23]

​@@leflate Even still, the Prism is the one you would expect to be a plausible option. It came with the 3900X, even though the 3950X was more efficient. The 5950X is runs cooler still, at stock.

[@Brandon_Neil]

I would've been interested to see what happens if you set the fan curve to hit 100% at 90 degrees.

[@harrisnasir5753]

I know right, I mean he already installed it, and even making a video about it, but didn't go into the bios to do that.

[@haakoflo]

The video is sponsored by Corsair....

[@monkeyplayer1]

I agree but set it to 100% at 70 degrees because if it only goes to 100% at 90 it wouldn’t be at 100% most of the time I don’t think because it would go down a little bit and slow down.

[@Brandon_Neil]

@@monkeyplayer1 fair point, he mentioned the low fan speed so many times I'm surprised he missed this opportunity for more content.

[@SkylerB17]

JayzTwoCents: BOHemoth Greg Salazar: Behemoth Everyone else: Behemoth

[@mhb210]

Between this and your pairing of a 3080 with an FX CPU, I'm liking these crazy combination experiments you're doing!

[@mrfrozex1]

12:30 looking at your temp and that score it seems that pbo isnt running, you should get around 11k in R20 at 75-80c with everything on auto and pbo enabled. I've noticed that after i've manually oc my 5950x i have to restart my pc after putting it back to pbo in ryzen master in order to enable pbo again.

[@Teksers]

I'm curious how the stock cooler for the 2600X will perform. It's a bit bigger and it has a copper slug in the middle.

[@DyoxisPwns]

3200mhz cl20? Whut?

[@ArmoredStone]

I thought thats what I saw so I had to go back n check. Damn thats a bad kit

[@LettuceLand]

Garbage timings lol but it's sponsored I guess

[@noobplayer_23]

Well they (team) also had 3200 cl22 modules

[@boban250]

@@noobplayer_23 3200 CL22 is JEDEC spec (no XMP) which will run out of the box even in servers

[@ExtremeSquared]

Not totally unreasonable for a 5950 -- a workstation oriented cpu.

[@PokèMyBalls]

Greg: You should try the stock cooler from the FX-8350. Should fit the stock AM4 mount. Mine has 2 heat pipes and a 80mm fan. It would be interesting to see if it beats wraith stealth.

[@AlexSeesing]

I love your camera. She's so swift. And she knows to focus on what's important.

[@jeffie8696]

Good video thanks Greg, this is the kind of informative stuff I enjoy most

[@harrysingh23116]

ive been following ur channel from a long time and i wna say ur vdos are always interesting and useful. ur not someone so called " pc enthusiast" just doing reviews and benchmarks with the products links in description like most "pc enthusiasts" doing these days. u justified ur channel name. "for science"

[@RadNitro]

GS: "I have no idea what's going to happen." Me: Oh wait, I know! But it was very informative actually seeing it done. Good job.

[@Suuhls]

I used the Wraith Prism with the 5950X and it was very much fine

[@MaxwellsUnearthly]

So what Wraith Prism did you use? the one that came with like a 3700X? and what were your results more or less?

[@Suuhls]

@@MaxwellsUnearthly 75°C All Core Load, and yes, 3700X Wraith Prism

[@blinksone2768]

C'mon if you're buying a high-end cpu you should get at least a solid cpu cooler.

[@Suuhls]

@@blinksone2768 I have a custom loop, it was just for the week till I could assemble it

[@DanielNavas1]

That was the snappiest auto focus ever.

[@karai5082]

This reminds me of back when i had a dell prebuilt with one 80mm case fan and the intel stock cooler. The tower also was pretty small too. In just that 35% utilization of the intel4790 non-k i would get while playing games it would usually hover around 80-85 degrees. It would throttle at 95 degrees and i stresstested it and it stayed at 95 degrees (very very loud). The base clock was 3.6ghz and it could boost up to 4.0ghz (i couldnt change that because it was non-k) but at 100% load it throttles down to about 1.8ghz

[@4_ist403]

What camera do you use? I was actually pretty impressed with that autofocus snappiness

[@oconel10dark18]

It is bad if by accident the pump of the fluid was opened and it dropped a few drops but I saw it again quickly, then I closed quickly but it managed to drop a couple of drops in the process of tightening the screws., it was like 3 or 4, do you think that reduce time of life?, or still will work well? or is better return the water cooler, I just got it like one or two weeks ago

[@SmarterGaming]

Love the funny what if video... really! But, would have been fun to see you do a four cooler comparison with the Wraith Stealth, Wraith Spire and the Wraith Prism coolers against each other and against your "ideal cooler".

[@joman104]

I wonder how increased can speeds would effect this setup.

[@wrusst]

105w tdp chip with a 65w cooler you could have at least tried the spire (95w tdp) which would probably still be a step down from the top and one but at least it would have been a sporting chance .

[@johnpaulbacon8320]

Nice video. I am Curious as how the Original Wraith Cooler would do on this CPU.

[@prodeous]

What about adjusting the fan curve to make the "noise" tolerable. If someone would "in emergency?" have only this cooler, would umping up the fan curve provide the near full speed?

[@LaserFur]

I gave up trying to cool the 3900x with an air cooler and had to switch to a custom water loop. I even tried lapping the IHS and it still overheated with a NH-U12A cooler. Lapping did lower the temp about 5C, but the temp would still exceed the 90C the motherboard would start beeping at. This was not overclocked, but running folding at home. The SIMD instructions seem to generate more heat.

[@ridefast0]

How about the Noctua low-profile AM4 air cooler with a 92*92*25 Delta high-end fan (over 100CFM, 13mm.H20, 4800rpm, 1A at 12V) and a fan curve set for 100% at 70degC? That's what I will be using with the 4750G in my DeskMini A300.

[@nukedathlonman]

Was that the older one with the copper base slug, or the newer solid aluminum one? Don't feel this would change the results - at least not by much - I just want to be sure of which revision of cooler was used.

[@makemoneynow5061]

Amazing! Never thought I'd be finish watching this video!

[@Nephardius9251]

I'm curious how the other ryzen stock coolers would fair as well.

[@Ashachi]

As I remember, there is a stealth cooler with copper on it that came with the first gens I think. I wonder what the others like the spire and prism perform at as well.

[@JM-kn9dh]

That's the wraith spire. The stealth is the worst of the three stock coolers, unless you count athlon

[@nukedathlonman]

Yes - I have both (I have a 1600 in my HTPC, and a 3600 in my gaming rig). Coolers are identical except for that. Not sure why AMD did that.

[@gregutz4284]

What portable display are you using in the video?

[@bakakafka4428]

@Greg Salazar Any update on your video from last week, concerning your 5900x underperforming and the Bios 'issues'? Did AMD reply?

[@Patrick_Felipe]

What about the wraith prism cooler. I have it around somewhere, thinking of using it in a itx case with a 5900x - jus wondering if it can handle it with jus gaming??

[@ccallaghan84]

I ran a 3950X on a U9S with a graphite pad (IC) and a single fan. Is it really THAT much better than the low end stock cooler?

[@budgetking2591]

Also gotta give it to AMD for putting good fans on their stock heatsinks, i think the stealth cooler is very bad in terms of cooling performance, but the fan is indeed pretty quite for what it is.

[@neth77]

You say install left side panel but it's the starboard side which means right.

[@obethernandes905]

Can you guys mention your 5950x temps on full load here, my 5950x goes to 90c and stays there 8 whole time while running cinebench r23, im using NZXT X73

[@shemsureshot]

My 5950x motherboard bundle came with the wraith cooler. I got a warning while in the bios that temps were too high! When I checked it was 67 degrees! I switched it to the Noctua NH-U12A which was in the mid 30’s idle and averaged 58 degrees under load which I didn’t expect. I almost bought an AIO liquid cooler for it but I don’t think I need to now.

[@ryanmartie1244]

Yes! This is the stuff people want to know! I've also always wondered what would happen if you lift the locking lever while the system is running. :hint hint:

[@Yas_Sin]

That makes sense, because that stock cooler is designed to handle only about 65W of outputted heat

[@frommatorav1]

Couldn't at least use the Wraith Spire or Prism? They were at least made for 8 core cpus.

[@mhnoni]

Thanks for the video, but you really should have set the fan to 100% to see the result, there was something wrong with the fan curve on this MB.

[@holski77]

great now sell me you 5900x or 5950x so i can make memes in blender. I'll send you my dual x5680 rig XD

[@Morpheus-pt3wq]

The Wraith Stealth cooler is not noisy, because... it does not have as much RPM as old AMD BOX coolers had and it´s bigger. I was using my Wraith Stealth to cool down AM4 CPU in some low-cost build until a replacement arrived and it wasn´t very noisy even at max rpm. It might have something to do with fan diameter - old BOX cooler was 60mm fan with 6000rpm, these are 92mm fans with 80mm fan holes and they max out at @3000rpm. That said, current cooler - Arctic Freezer 34 - on that particular CPU is now even quieter, but i had to replace stock fan for Noctua.

[@jamespickell3915]

Ryzen 9 5950X with an a320? That would be a cool video As always great content

[@MrHendrikje]

I made the desision to overspent on my aircooler so to say. I ended up buying an Cryorig H5 Ultimae for me 8320 back when I build my system in 2014/15 (I should have gone intel.. but amd was soo much cheaper). The stock cooler AMD used to have were garbage so I wanted a 212 Evo but the cryorig was only 15 eur more so I went for it. ANd i'm glad I did. Havent had to change my cooler for the past 5 years and I'm certain it can cool the 5950X aswel. I'm proud of Past Me to have made that decision! But I'm also looking at the alphacool Eiswolf and Eisbear options. Should I get a 30xx or RX 6000 card it might be a great option!

[@GerryBlevins]

The box cooler had mine idling at 90. I turned it off quickly and installed a Noctua u12a chromax black and it went down to 31.6 degrees idling.

[@segaprophet]

my cooler is overkill for my CPU R5 3600/Noctua NH-U12S - I just like the way it looks, the big chromed out cooler tower versus the stock Ryzen cooler

[@watercannonscollaboration2281]

As someone who owns both a R5 2600 and 3600, I feel like AMD has been cheaping out on the stock cooler since the OG 1600X had a copper slug, then they removed that in the 2600, then they made it shorter in the 3600... I guess point is, I feel like they have different versions of the Wraith Stealth

[@rsrogers1983]

they have the wraith stealth and the wrath spire which is about the size of two stealths stacked

[@rsrogers1983]

tho i havent seen or heard about the spire since they released zen 1 so they may have discontinued it

[@logank]

Can we get a follow up on this with a wraith prism and a hyper 212? This way, it’s like for those people that just don’t want to spend a ton on a cooler, but want maximum performance.

[@thunderturbine8860]

That’s like trying to replace 4 747’s engines with Cessna propellers lol 😂. That will definitely not end well

[@oooppiikkk]

now im curious what happens if you let the cooler go 100

[@user-hl2cc6yi8l]

please show me the bench with nh-d15 cooler

[@victorj2307]

Why did Aida show only 8 cores instead of 16?

[@acdvfb]

Would love to see the 5800X and the Wraith Prism combo tested. Surely it will hold it's own with the 5600X, but I'm liking the 5800X as an option for the enthusiast/semi-pro gamer/streamer/editor... Realistically the 5600X is probably fine for that market but I really want those extra cores and threads but still want to use my Wraith Prism lol

[@Mxyzptlk21]

WHy not crank up the fan speed to at least see what the coolers capability is?

[@budgetking2591]

Can you please try a stock fx8xxx heatsink, i think it can cool this thing, the fx8xxx cpu's have even higher tdp's. They fit on the am4 mobo's they are cross compatible.

[@MrBlueDabadi]

i want to see the same test with the 65 Watt eco mode enabled.

[@hillardbishop8755]

The 5600X would be better if it included the Wraith Spire cooler. A bit more cooling would serve well on that sku.

[@Ired7777]

big thumbs-up to asrock-amd on this. you don't mention, so I suppose there was not even a momentary lockup (like when cpu suddenly realizes temp is too high and practicly shuts down for a couple seconds to crawl back into safe range) you gave it a severely cooling constrained enviroment, it realized this and stayed safe the whole test

[@testerpt5]

it did thhe same with the 3600. you should try the excelent budget Deepcooll Gammax 400 air cooler. Its REALLY REALLY good for the price.

[@ChadKenova]

Man i wonder how good a Arctic Freezer ii 120mm in push/pull will cool a 3900x. Im building a tinker itx build with spare parts and the only cpu air cooler i have under 150mm is the wraith prism cooler and that was great for a 3600. So i went with the Arctic Freezer ii, I don’t plan to overclock much if at all. And another thing i have a 500 watt evga psu in it now and with the 3600 and reference 5700xt it’s fine pulling 350 watts max gaming. I think it should be fine with the 3900x i have a 750 watt evga g3 i just dont want to bother with putting it in though i might because i have a radeon vii on the shelf that would barely fit in the case. But it’s not like its much faster gaming but it would just be cool to put all that power in a small itx case.

[@clintk4691]

Huh, actually did better than I thought it would. Would be nice to see what it'll do with the wraith prism. Possibly another video? What about using that crap cooler, a wraith prism, something like a D-15 and finally a 360 aio? I'd be interested in seeing the boost frequencies and power draw with each respective cooler and how much the chip will benefit from proper cooling and what the minimum recommended cooler would be.

[@tomr3422]

had a cpu spike, it blew up half my house, maybe a random back ground task. Who in there right mind would try to OC on a stock cooler from any company

[@BadWeatherfreak]

Can you test it with a 207xt slim?

[@SUCRA]

Hey buddy, you forgot to link in the card for the AMD power issue video at 12 minutes. Interesting video nevertheless, thanks!

[@TBomb85]

LMAO ... I tweeted you about this mother board about an hour before this went live

[@zys52712]

You should try the old style amd box cooler (the one that comes with the 3000g), that'll be annoyingly loud on top of hot lol.

[@datapro007]

Same question as everyone else, why didn't you use the Prism?

[@bradline7949]

Would have liked to have seen the CPU cooler at max fan speed to see what difference that made.

[@Rivenrock]

I put a 5950x system together and really like it for my editing and 3D art! Using just the DarkRockPro4 BeQuiet cooler I run 100% CPU power 24/7 and feel confident leaving it alone for the day. It runs in the 60's to low 70's, except during a heat wave like now, it'll touch 77C But still a stable and running fast. A really good CPU and cooler.

[@belowpovertylineminority]

From my experience the only viable ways of cooling the 5950x at least in my case was a noctua nh-d15 or a custom water loop.

[@Lionheart1188]

No Wraith Prism cooler?

[@niospartan]

The free coolers are just nice to get especially with some rgb.

[@biggabi2165]

I don’t get why they added a wraith stealth with the Ryzen 5 3600. It can’t even cool it without getting loud at idle.

[@dandundid540]

That moment I hit 10,550 on my i7-9700k @5.1ghz . Temperatures mean everything when coming to boost. I never see above 55°c during stress tests with my air tunnel case.

[@German_CG_Artist]

Amature! I do heavy 3d rendering on my stock cooler cooled ryzen 9 and it can get down to 1.5 ghz. 😂 grate video, i should probably get a high end aur cooler :)

[@brianfist]

Because what could go wrong?

[@ShamanicEnzan]

“And thanks for burning with me”

[@kieranlyall5249]

You should use a am3 stock cooler on it

[@xXEchoXxAssault]

I wonder if the wraith prism would do any better

[@Negiku]

Just a video suggestion. Can you do Ryzen 5000 on B450 or A320 motherboard? Assuming AMD is not against it.

[@SoriPop]

Bios for those boards are not out yet

[@Negiku]

@@SoriPop I know, but there are people who says it works. Even on the A320 which isn't going to have an official support.

[@b3n4ik89]

This Corsair 4000D is gonna be the next PC meta! Every tech channel is sponsored by them recently...

[@larrymcgoldrick3471]

Why would you not run the fan at 100%???

[@denvera1g1]

Know what pissed me off about the 3600 i bought? it came with that wraith stealth, cool, its good enough for the 3600 nonX, but the main issue i have is that the cooler, from AMD, does not support the freaking AMD mounting solution, which meant i had to take apart the pre-installed mounting solution on the motherboard Anyhoozlebe, with my 3950x i can passively cool it with a noctua C14S if i use windows power plan-eco, package power sits at around 50w and the CPU doesnt pass 90c with a cinebench loop, if i turn the fan on lowest setting, the temps drop down to ~35c(i have a low ambient temp of like 18-19c) If i remove the fan, and use a cardboard box to act as a chimney it will normally settle around 80c Edit, the clock speeds of 'power saver' are 2.2ghz, but still, 16 cores at 2.2ghz IIRC the Dell Poweredge R720 at work also has 16 cores at 2.2ghz, but uses close to 200w instead of 50w

[@jimsinnovations2737]

greg, check out CTR, for ryzen cpu's its a badass app. basically a easy OC that optimizes your CCX cores, gets you the fastest possible performance out of the chip, while using the least amount of power, something you should look into bud, its on techpowerup, guru3d etc, you wanna use 1usmus ryzen power plan , and newest chipset bios, and cbr20

[@eyetac]

I'm running the Wraith Prism on my 5950x. getting similar temperatures to this video.. not quite as much throttling though. I'm idling at around 60 degrees in 34 degree ambient temperature (summertime in the southern hemisphere).. would not recommend a stock cooler with this CPU.

[@obethernandes905]

mine idles at 38c to 40c if i move the mouse it jumps another 10 degrees but then when running cinebench r23 it goes all the way to 90c, im hating to see this temps, im running nzxt x73

[@squishiibubble]

This reminds me of what I did, i9-9900k with intel stock cooler

[@Exponaut_R-01]

“This video here” What video where?

[@ggdatboi]

So what I’m understanding. A more powerful cpu will get hotter doing the same tasks a weaker chip would?

[@lj5773]

Weird with a 360aio it's a even to worse score than my 3950x on a similar cooler. 3950x limits boost cause it runs out of power also with low thermals similarly even on a premium mother board. it's hard capped, but I wonder if that asrock board is limiting the 5950x. Either way it would make me question id they're really seeing the efficiency gains per watt they're claiming.

[@PokèMyBalls]

Wraith Prism isn't terrible if you flip the switch from L to H.

[@SwishaMane420]

Wow, my old TRUE 120 is keeping my 5950X at 70C 100% load. Was considering replacing it, but apparently its not bad. hmm

[@HuntaKiller91]

Gregggg we want A320M content😂🔥

[@DeepMukherjee]

you forgot AMD used to provide a Wraith Prism with their 105 W tdp chips. Should have used that

[@TheLateral18]

For a 3600xt 50c when gaming is it normal?

[@rsrogers1983]

dunno about normal but its good. im usuall 65 to 70 under load 75 plus on a synthetic stress test

[@rsrogers1983]

side note im also running a 2700x with an aftertmarked cooler

[@alexanderkopke2420]

Shouldve really experimented with different fan speeds like 100%

[@dlancer2k]

You should test the 5950x with a Wraith Max or Wraith Prism.

[@homelessEh]

and intels offerings would fair any better? i doubt it

[@HEWfunkingKNEWit]

Its all about ambient temp