M4 Pro vs M4 Max MacBook Pro - Don't Waste Your Money!

[@tomscott4438]

Buying an Apple product used to be a fairly straightforward affair. Now it's gotten so complicated that an entire KZbin industry has been built around trying to untangle the myriad overlaps and options. Problem here is that after watching this video I am even more confused than I was before.

[@randythomas-j2h]

Haha I’m with you completely

[@ce5729]

I’ve learned that the more videos I watch the more it all points to just upgrade and then just upgrade eventually your left with the max specs and just need to decide screen size and ssd space 😅

[@donalddarko4871]

Configuration options are a good thing. Some people don't need the extra RAM or cores to run all their programs. Some people just want the fastest machine regardless and that is their choice.

[@homer1217]

im having trouble deciding as well and after watching countless videos safe to say im more unsure that i was before haha

[@marcellofrisina6460]

not to make things worse, but the dude didn't even discuss single-core performance, which is super important in certain applications

[@christopher3d475]

As much as I detest the horribly trite shocked face click-bait thumbnails, I decided to watch, ugh.

[@GregsGadgets]

Sorry but ty lol Also I am actually shocked, I hope that comes across it was accurate clickbait

[@maxhill9254]

I down voted the video because of the 'shocked face' thumbnail... that's very annoying. The video is okay.

[@xavierjohnson9089]

@@maxhill9254I disliked this comment what of it (this was purely a joke lol)

[@collininspace]

Great video and thanks for sharing these insights with the community. Keep up the great content.

[@marcoalexander7244]

Same

[@GeoPoi86]

And faster Memory Bandwidth. Thats why the Max cost more. Not only Cores, but also RAM, Storage and Memory Bandwidth. Furthermore keep in mind in some markets you cant spec the Pro with more than 36 Gb of memory. If your job requires it you have to go to M4 Max.

[@Aaron_Bleu]

Yeah I was shocked that the only way I can upgrade the RAM is by going with the Max chip.

[@BIG_HAMZ]

Genuine question: if your job requires that much power why are you spending this much on a Mac? Wouldn’t something like a nvidia 4090 gpu be better for around the same money?

[@DOGroove]

Depends on if you need GPU power or CPU power. There’s really nothing better for CPU performance in a laptop than the M4 Max.

[@GeoPoi86]

@@BIG_HAMZ Laptop wise, you would need something with a 4090. But the power consumption due to its performance its 3 -10 times more. So for a portable factor that you might need once every while Mac is better. Then i was thinking the resell value and most KZbin channels never mention. A PC / Laptop of that kind in 4 years, you have lost 80 % to 100 % of its value. With a Mac probably 50 - 70 %. In a long run its the same or lower price.

[@kickassdj]

@@GeoPoi86 I just ordered m4 pro with 48gb ram for mobile app & full stack web development. Didn't got max for the fact that I got 4090 already and it is having double the memory bandwidth of m4 max, it is over 5 times faster. Maybe Ultra might catch this performance.

[@mattwoolford]

No, there IS a difference in ports: • MacBook Pro with M4 has 3 (up from 2) Thunderbolt 4 ports • MacBook Pro with M4 Pro or M4 Max are equipped with Thunderbolt 5 (up from Thunderbolt 4)

[@ggproductions7078]

Once you get your hands on it what I would like to know is how the M4 pro compares to an Max chip in terms of graphics performance, in historical terms as well as current.

[@PerryWebCreations]

I ordered the space black 14 inch M4 PRO MBP with - 12 core CPU - 16 core GPU - 24GB of Ram and a 2TB drive.

[@Trickey2413]

[@jba68]

How do you feel about it, considering this configuration also.

[@PerryWebCreations]

@@jba68 it's perfect for me, 24 GB of memory is plenty and I wanted 2TB of hard drive space. I'm very happy with this configuration. I mostly use it for web design, photo editing and light video editing.

[@yougallini]

Good luck with the 400k Greg!

[@GregsGadgets]

TY!

[@HomesickMac]

Oops, now you’ve just made me think twice about the configuration I was just about to order. I thought the absolute best deal for me was the MB Pro with 14/20, 48GB memory and a 1TB SSD… Then I saw some comments on YT about the Pro Max with the 14/32, 36GB memory would be best for video editing. So now you gotta help me. This is of course a more expensive option but I’m upgrading from an M1 Mac Mini because I realized I needed a laptop after all. Since I usually buy a machine that’ll last me long, and I’m editing video a lot, it would be a thing to do. But my editing is not more than 2-3 cameras 4K footage and no fancy effects, and I’m also editing photos in various apps (no Adobe products) where I noticed my M1 Mini (w.16GB memory) struggled frequently. So is the GPU that significantly better in the Max (at 14/32) compared to the Pro (14/20) for me? I'm also thinking about the longevity when all the apps and MacOS are getting their upgrades in the future. The Unified memory is also an issue here, I tend to use many apps at the same time when I go wild on my computer and 48GB on the Pro is more than 32GB on the Max option.... Puzzled....

[@PackYourBags]

@@HomesickMac I’m in the same boat .. might pick up m4 pro 1tb ssd instead of m4 max and with money saved put that toward Mac Studio when it comes out next year .. let me know what you decide

[@PKperformanceEU]

I think you should be fine with a vanilla M4 macbook pro lmao. For your little projects that nobody watches you should not get the best laptop. Just upgrade every 2years, dont get something way over your skills

[@pepeanto]

Go for the MB Pro with 48 and 1 TB. It is an absolute beast already (think that many people still use M12 Max and they still say anything they throw at it handles perfectly). The huge price difference for the Max and the minimum performance gain don't make sense at all

[@pepeanto]

​@@PKperformanceEUand 2 years is an overkill. I would say at least 4 years

[@PKperformanceEU]

@ can you even understand? Omg just get an m1air of you cant process a few lines of comment. And yes upgrading every 2years is the way to go and just sell the previous on ebay for good money.

[@simplytex]

I've got the M4 Pro Max pre ordered, 128GB RAM and 8TB Storage. Excited to push it

[@MarttiNystroem]

Will be okay for playing minesweeper

[@sleazyhunterx5092]

Really deep pockets ehh?

[@awzsdrcfgybhjimklp]

Nice, I definitely wish more people would buy the 128 GB RAM version to maybe nudge Apple to release higher limits like 256, 512 GB ...1TB RAM. If Apple is serious about pushing AI in Apple devices, this is what I would expect for AI development on the Mac platforms. They have 1 TB RAM on the Intel Mac Pro but with the unified memory, this could be a game changer

[@thomasrichthammer2716]

@@awzsdrcfgybhjimklp Wer sollte das dann bezahlen können? 1TB RAM würde bei Apple um die 10.000 Euro Aufpreis kosten.

[@ApacheSenzala]

Best you can afford is the only tech buying advice required

[@RizwanKhan-qr4sl]

Many people are eager to see a comparison between the 14-inch 12-core and 14-core models. Creating such content could attract a significant number of views and provide valuable information to others. Currently, no video is available for this comparison.

[@diogoalmeidavisuals]

No, you're not just getting a bump in GPU cores when going from the top Pro to the base Max. You're also getting a second media engine, literally cutting export times in half for supported video codecs

[@VMYeahVN]

Those supported codecs are only h.264, HEVC (h.265), ProRes, and ProRes Raw though. Most video editing pros are just as often, if not more often, working with proprietary Raw formats like RED camera R3D files, or raw Canon or Sony cinema camera files that are not supported by the media engine. The media engine has to brute force those (which is still helped by going from Pro to Max chip just not always linear double). So export times are not always cut in half across the board as there are lots of variables depending on what an editors specific workflow is and what cameras they are working with. Kinda wish more tech KZbinrs talked about that and tested it more in their videos. Hopefully some will once these new Macs are in everyone's hands.

[@BuffShamans]

@@VMYeahVN most pros are using proxies lol

[@VMYeahVN]

@BuffShamans Not always and not for final delivery

[@nepntzerZer]

almost double the mem bandwidth too. this is the most overlooked spec people need to take note of

[@jinraigami3349]

6:30 Mistake? Are the graphs for 20 and 32 Cores swapped?

[@GregsGadgets]

Ugh yes, sorry it's fixed at 6:40 not sure how that happened. The number is correct tho

[@jinraigami3349]

@@GregsGadgets Thanks for the clarification.

[@raw-viking]

I finally subscribed... All for your 400k! 😊

[@GregsGadgets]

Yay! Thank you!

[@nepntzerZer]

memory bandwidth is the most overlooked spec

[@dbtech4562]

It isn't so much the speed increase for the Max but you get a higher RAM ceiling for AI applications & Virtual machines. So for Final Cut Pro users, they probably would be happy with the M4 Pro.

[@MicoLoretan]

The Geekbench 6 chart at the 6'29'' mark seems off. Are the lengths of the two middle bars correct? (Or do they need to be switched?) The chart at the 6'44'' seems to be correct, though.

[@Aldranis]

I work in the medical device industry and do a lot of simulation and 3D rendering so I opted to go with a 14" (for portability) M4 Max with the 16-Core CPU, 40-Core GPU option and 64GB of ram. Overkill for sure, but I don't even want to think about upgrading for the next 6 years or so, so the premium is worth it for me. Everyone's mileage will vary though, it really depends on the specific use cases.

[@BlueHawk80]

Max chip in 14“ is a dumb choice.

[@Aldranis]

@ thank you for your insight. I’ll keep that in mind as I continue using it.

[@RamasArrow]

in 3 years time M7 pro base version will be faster than this M4 max. Buy what you need for next 3 years, and then buy again if you need it.

[@andresoyarzun8758]

I do same work in a 2012 13inch, 3D rendering and implant simulation

[@JoATTech]

The memory configs of new MBPs are kinda strange.

[@wisdomyaw03]

Great analysis. However, you have forgotten the media engines, which are double that of M4 Pro in the M4 Max.

[@JustineCooksVegan]

Yea exactly! Do you think 2 media engines is more important than extra ram on m4 pro chip for things like video editing? Apple doesn’t make it easy!

[@Aethid]

I'm sure that is an important consideration for the 0.01% of people who use their computers for professional video editing.

[@AaronAbernethy]

@@Aethid MacBook Pros are used for professional video editing disproportionately more than any other model of laptop.

[@Aethid]

@@AaronAbernethy And yet virtually nobody who owns a MBP uses it for professional video editing. 100% of professional video editors could exclusively use MBPs, and professional video editing would *still* be a niche use case. KZbin tech reviewers massively over-emphasize the importance of of video editing performance, because it is the only heavy workload they all personally use, when in reality this is only of any use at all to a very very small portion of users. More people use MacBooks for gaming than for video editing. Yet, every review makes a big deal of video editing performance and barely any even mention gaming performance. The personal needs of tech reviewers is heavily distorting people's perspectives.

[@AaronAbernethy]

@@Aethid Well, maybe my perspective is skewed. I work in business IT support for companies that use Apple hardware, and almost nobody buys a MBP unless they have a video based workflow (also I heavily discourage over-spending - a lot of people seem to think that because they are a 'professional' they need the Pro, when all they do is work in Word and Excel docs all day.)

[@strengthbydesign]

Keep up the great work Greg, I always come here for up to date reviews/advice, I'm glad you're thinking about the complexities of these different options because it makes my head spin!

[@akhilmittalji6816]

I am looking for 16 inch Macbook Pro and wondering if upgrade to 48GB worth it by paying around 400$. I have RAM intensive coding work and usage is generally 20GB in my current machine.

[@raphceon]

Can we talk

[@FortyNightsMusic]

I'm a composer (major tv shows and films). I was told that extra GPU helps when you are running external monitors. Is this true? When scoring, I have video files that I'm working against, and they are on an external monitor. Does the extra GPU help in this scenario?

[@vitalis]

All this is just synthetic benchmarking. We want actual real life tests with video and 3D software.

[@Vger1977]

YUP, all these early adopters of the base models thining they are going to blow everything else away are about to be disappointed.

[@OTJoose]

Great video. I'd like to know about the RAM and how a 16in top of line M4 Pro (14 CPU core/20 GPU core), 48GB of RAM (bandwidth of 273GB/s), and 1TB SSD compares to a 16in base M4 Max (14 core CPU/32 core GPU), 36GB RAM (bandwidth of 410 GB/s), 1TB SSD. Unfortunately, these are the highest available RAM sizes that Apple allows us to customize for these two processors even though they are designed to handle more RAM. I wouldn't even be able to get 48GB RAM with the top of line M4 Max (16 core CPU/40 core GPU). I would have to get 64GB RAM. What are you all thinking is the best approach here? Get more RAM size with the M4 Pro or get more GPU processing power with a smaller RAM size with the M4 Max? The base M4 Max RAM does have 1.5x the bandwidth speed, but still 12GB less in size, so I'm thinking the bandwidth speed here is negligible. So this brings me to do I want more GPU processing power or RAM. Thought? Apple should allow us to customize the way we see fit. We're already paying premium high-end prices (who knows what their margins are, btw), so provide us with the premium level of service to do what we want on customization.

[@IrinaZirochka]

hi everyone! I'm having a hard time choosing between {M4 Pro chip with 14‑core CPU, 20‑core GPU, 16‑core Neural Engine 48GB unified memory /VS/ M4 Max chip with 14‑core CPU, 32‑core GPU, 16‑core Neural Engine 36GB unified memory}: I am also interested in the additional graphics cores in the M4Max chip compared to the M4Pro when you export video, what is more critical, the unified memory or the graphics cores, what to choose? Someone please🙏 explain, If only I could understand how this unifaite memory is spent: how much video memory is needed for the graphics cores, and how much is left for the "RAM"? And again, the bandwidth is different for the M4pro (273), but 48GB, and the 20‑core GPU, M4Max (410), but 36GB unified memory and 32‑core GPU. And this neural engine, how much does it need? This is driving me crazy.Where is the trap?

[@AJCoReTV]

Great video! You helped me stay with 14/20 core M4 Pro ! Saves me $800. I do not game on Mac & editing videos on M4PRO vs my older M1Pro!

[@JustineCooksVegan]

Thanks for this!! New subscriber here! I’m between the m4 pro 14/20 GPU w/ 48 ram OR the base m4 max chip with 14/32 GPU & 36 ram for video editing. It’s my first M chip and I’m trying to see if extra GPU/memory bandwidth or more ram is more important for editing? 🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@key-notes]

I asked @MaxTechOfficial this very question since I’m deciding between these two configurations as well, and he was kind enough to reply this: “Definitely M4 Max! It has double the encoders and decoders for 4K editing, as well as more GPU performance.”

[@Novvvus]

M4 Max is a waste of money for just video editing.

[@key-notes]

@@Novvvus Do you think that’s the case even given its dual encoders and decoders? Encoding twice as fast definitely sounds tempting. Also, if the system is to last 5 or 6 years, the extra amount for the upgrade will long be forgotten. That said, all these chips are unbelievably fast and can definitely get the job done.

[@Novvvus]

@ ​​⁠I was editing 4k videos on M1 Mac Mini 16Gb. And felt no even a tiny bit of pain. If you’re a pro editor, you’re working with ProRes or any type of proxy media. Why then would you ever need two encoders/decoders? And even when exporting a video, two encoders will just speed up the process a little. It’s just not worth paying extra $500, sacrificing the amount of RAM (or paying $1000 without sacrificing it). M4 Max is not for video editing, it’s for completely another kind of tasks

[@JustineCooksVegan]

@@Novvvus hmm even with some vfx and the extra memory bandwidth? Only thing I heard was that more GPU could help with AI updates to software…?

[@DanielNeubauer]

I am curious to see if the M4 Max performs better in the 16 inch again compared to the 14 inch because of the thermals

[@zoltanzana]

the fully maxed-out 14” MacBook Pro doesn’t perform as well as the 16” due to thermal throttling. So, if you’re going for the 14”, choose it with the Pro chip, and if you need the performance of the Max chip, the 16” is the better choice.

[@DanielNeubauer]

@@zoltanzanayes that’s the way to go

[@LilithPl3asant]

My main issue here as somebody genuinely considering the M4 vs the Pro, is that I don't know how I feel about losing 500gb storage for $100 more. In 2024 I wish apple would default to 1tb but we're even lucky we got 500. I feel like windows has spoiled me with cheap NVMEs.

[@bapt_andthebasses]

Windows didn't spoil you. Apple using NVMe too, in iPhones and Macs. They just SOLDER IT FOR NO GOOD REASON.

[@nikanika-y4b]

@@bapt_andthebasses they do it for speed

[@alessandromanuel728]

Really nice video! Now I am subscribed after years 😂

[@markedwards4879]

The M4 Max also has a lot more memory bandwidth but the real driver for me to get the Max was that I have three thunderbolt monitors and only the Max can drive all three. What is annoying is the M4 Pro in the Mini can drive three thunderbolts but the Macbook can’t. It’d have been nice to be able to drive three with the MacBook lid closed but it wasn’t to be.

[@Deimos-Oso]

@6:36 are these bar graphs flipped?

[@matecseke4574]

Hi! Thank you so much for your interesting video. I need some advice. I'm a video maker and I'm thinking of getting a nice Mac Pro to speed up my work. I'm undecided between these two configurations: M4 pro: 16"² Liquid Retina XDR display Apple M4 Pro chip with 14-core CPU, 20-core GPU, 16-core Neural Engine 48GB of unified memory 2TB SSD drive M4 Max: 16"² Liquid Retina XDR display Apple M4 Max chip with 14-core CPU, 32-core GPU, 16-core Neural Engine 36GB of unified memory 2TB SSD drive Which of these two could be more useful to me? Thanks in advance.

[@raw-viking]

Don't you also get double the media engines on the Max? And of course the increased memory bandwidth. Exporting video on my M1 Max 32GB I've gotten up to 295 GB/s utilized. I imagine the Max will be helpful in such cases.

[@JustineCooksVegan]

You do! The M4 max starts with 400 memory bandwidth…pro is 273. I’m trying to decide which one would be better for video editing… pretty similar to your current specs. Have you had any issues with it?

[@raw-viking]

@@JustineCooksVegan You'll do just fine with the Pro (I would too) but I don't regret for a moment that I got the Max. I'd LOVE to have more GPU power for the video editing (Davinci Resolve) but the full GPU count tended to run hot in the 14" so I saved the money and did not get the beefiest config, you might want to wait and check the results people will be getting. 36GB RAM will be plenty enough unless you're a crazy power user or want to run LLM AI locally on your computer. I wouldn't want to go down to 24GB. I like to keep my Macs for at least eight years so I try to get the best option I can with all the money I can justify squeezing out. Go Vegan! ✌

[@raw-viking]

@@JustineCooksVegan Also, 1TB storage is enough for me. I use the crucial X9 & X10 Pro 4TB external drives. (great value and speed)

[@tonypardilla2087]

QUESTION: im in the midst of doing my M4Pro Vs M4 Max purchase, should I get the a m4 pro with 48 gigs or the entry level m4 max with 36... I plan on using the machine for video work (4k time lines in premiere ) graphic design work ( indesign and photoshop) and lots of lightroom what would choose if you were on the budget, I don't know if I want the m4 max 16 core coz of the price but I think the m4 pro 14 core with 48 is good?

[@Zorobabel2028]

Thanks for the video. I have a question. What feature of mcbook does a biology researcher who does basic statistical analysis need? Thank you

[@groshankanth]

Guys I ordered a m4 pro 16 inch mac with 48gb Ram & 1 tb ssd. Use case software development and dabbling with davinci resolve. Is it an overkill ?.

[@Delly986]

I’m on a 2019 16in maxed out MBP. I do audio engineering and production, video editing and graphic design. While a 5yo Dino of a machine it’s still cooks. Tbh I’m having a hard time wrapping my head around how powerful these are.

[@joelv4495]

The main difference that you'll actually notice is that an M chip can do all of those workloads and still get more than 2 hours of battery life while being mostly silent.

[@Delly986]

@ that would be awesome. I’ve moved over to recording on my iPad cause my fan does kick on fairly quick now that I think about it

[@PackYourBags]

they made the decision so difficult. m4 pro with 32 gpu would have been perfect. now not sure what to get need new macbook for video editing color grading which would you recommend can.i get by with base m4 pro and upgrade to ssd 1tb or fork over the money for m4 max.. thanks

[@TheVoiceofReason4ya]

I have an m1 pro and I can edit 8k multi stream, you will be ok with any variant unless you are doing 12k footage, then you may want the beefiest....

[@PackYourBags]

@ I’m editing blackmagic 6k footage on last generation of Intel Mac currently and it’s time to upgrade. Thanks for the info might just get the m4 pro and save money for ssd

[@Guff93]

If I have the M2 Pro base model 16 inch, am I good for a while?

[@ottotimmons]

Did you estimate the 14-core M4 Max CPU multi-core score (22094), or was it listed on Geekbench?

[@janeeightfive7331]

In Germany you had to pay 4.699 € for the M4 Max 16C CPU 40C GPU model. That's insane. Why is it so much more expensive here? Pretty stupid marketing in my eyes.

[@timbukstu]

I think your graph has a mistake at 6:31. Can you cut that out and reload it? Or is it not worth fixing?

[@ImpactingInfluencers]

Hey Greg, your comparison of the M4 Pro and M4 Max MacBook Pros was super insightful! It’s clear you put a lot of thought into helping viewers make informed decisions. I’d love to connect about how my agency can assist with brand partnerships while you keep creating these fantastic reviews!

[@gundy3730]

I wouldn't really say that Apple is "Forcing" you to this much memory that you stress a lot in this video. This is unified memory and the larger and smaller gpu core counts is what would be determining the amount of memory you get. GPU cores need a specific amount of memory dedicated to them in order to perform operations correctly. GPUs process data differently than a CPU where memory can be a bit more flexible. GPUs don't necessarily have this luxury and need more specific dedicated amounts of memory to compute properly.

[@LoserBoy-r2d]

this guy explain everything in a way that stores in my mind like keeping things in my SSD . Lots of love from India . Thank u so much to decide me which one should I buy

[@KevinFuggi]

Let’s be honest, even the M1 Pro chipset was plenty good to pump out the videos on this channel. Think about that before you consider what you “need”. I got the full M1 Pro with 10/16 with 32GB RAM and it’s still a beast today, I’d probably go with the same for M4 Pro (unbanned + max ram) and 1 or 2TB SSD if I had to get one today.

[@BernieMittens]

however the pro only supports 2 monitors vs 4 on m4 max so you gain more productivity on the max

[@CrownBizlet]

How is the M4 Pro 20 code higher than M4 Max 32 @6:31, pretty sure your chart has a mistake in it

[@kickassdj]

I ordered 14 core CPU 20 core GPU 48 GB RAM 1 TB Space Black - 16 inches

[@Novvvus]

Ordered the same spec 16 inch mbp

[@kickassdj]

@@NovvvusSame here, 16 inch

[@izyg9274]

Correct me if im wrong, but usually, the m4 max cores are clocked higher than the m4 pro. So, despite the same core count it should perform slightly better

[@sdan6321]

The difference from M4 Pro to M4 Max is not only the GPU, but a much faster Ram too.

[@richardzee8994]

Yep. Going maxxed out M4 Max with 128GB because it's a no brainer for running local models.

[@JustineCooksVegan]

Do you think the 36 ram on the base level max chip is enough for a video editing?

[@mattgray9297]

@@JustineCooksVegandepends on your use case. With my M1 Ultra @64GB, I’ve been pretty close to maxing out at times. But I do a ton of editing professionally. I wouldn’t want less than 64, that’s for sure.

[@zigglershow5383]

@@JustineCooksVeganI’ll just spend extra money for more 2 cpu and 8 gpu cores, and of course 48GB ram.

[@Novvvus]

@@JustineCooksVeganM4 Pro is more than enough for video editing. Ordered myself M4 Pro 48Gb 1Tb machine. And it’s already more than covers that kind of work. I’d say M4 Max is for completely different tasks, more GPU dependent job. Like 3D, game dev, or LLM

[@PokeFX_Tube]

I got the M4 Pro Max with 40 core GPU. I'm not making the same mistake again, on 2022 all of you said something similar... and I cannot play World of Warcraft decently, it's always at 100-108 degrees. I cannot stream fine, it's difficult to edit if you don't have Final Cut.

[@pepeanto]

First time ever saying that any M chip fals short for someone. Aha

[@Aaron_Bleu]

Remember that none of these KZbinrs have a perspective other than video production. If you are looking for gaming these videos are pretty much disinformation saying that there is little difference between the Pro and Max😂

[@iammiist]

bro bought a mac to game???????

[@Aaron_Bleu]

@@iammiist People buy Macs to be all around devices. Macs can game now and there are tons of people who will be using their MacBooks to play. This argument is very 2010

[@iammiist]

@@Aaron_Bleu not really a 2010 argument when most big games don't offer Mac support. I'm an apple fan btw

[@ApolloDigitalCA]

I’m a videographer going from a 2017 Intel-based MacBook Air (8GB RAM, 128GB SSD, basically all base specs) and I just pre-ordered the M4 Pro (12 core CPU, 16 core GPU, 24GB RAM, 512GB SSD MacBook Pro. Should I cancel it and get the 14 core CPU and 20 core GPU instead?

[@iPoriel]

Videographer here also. Going on the 14cpu/20gpu (from an M1 PRO MBP). But this time, I will pay for extra RAM. 16GB was to light the last time for big project into premiere. Going for 48GB. So for me, I will go for the 14' M4 PRO (14/20) with 48GB of RAM + 1TO of storage. One week of thinking (max ? Not max ? More ram or not...). Finally think this is the good choice to go.

[@ApolloDigitalCA]

@ Interesting, thanks for sharing. I feel like for me, 48gb ram would be a bit overkill cuz I don’t NEED that much. I hope the base specs for the M4 Pro MBP are good enough for us. I usually edit in 4K with proxies and probably might dabble a bit with 8K

[@beverywhereyouare]

Great video - just what i needed.

[@Gamerlingual]

I’m wondering if the M4 Pro MacBook Pro base model with 48GB of RAM and 512gb SSD is enough to use Davinci Resolve 19 and play Resident Evil 4 Remake. What would you advise? think it will be almost too difficult to upgrade to a 1TB SSD for my budget. My last resort is the base M4 MacBook Pro with 32GB of RAM with 1TB SSD. I hope the 512 SSD isn’t throttled. Thanks for any advice in advance.

[@Vger1977]

Wait for real benchmarks, not this Geekbench nonsense. People are going to be disappointed..

[@epicsynthwave]

What i don't get is that to go from M4 to M4 Pro on the Macbook Pro costs 270€ more but to do the same on the Mac Mini costs 490€ more. Can anyone explain that?

[@ThaexakaMavro]

Apple tax

[@bzobisch]

At 6min22s your graph scaling comparing 40, 32, 20 gpu cores is wrong...

[@RadIguanas]

Rumor has it, Apple's M5 is going to be the best Apple chip YET You heard it here first (stupid face insert) !

[@brucen9662]

Do you know if the MBP M4 Pro and M4 Max have 2 CPU fans instead of just one like the MBP M4? 😮

[@KohlerMusic]

Help! 🙏🏼… I found the M3 MAX 🟡 (14 CPU, 36 GB RAM, 30 GPU) … at the same price as … the M4 PRO 🟣 (24 GB, 20 GPU, 14 CPU, which Mac should I buy? 😩 Considering that the CPU speed of the M4 Pro is a little bit better than the M3 Max.

[@b00shay]

Hey have the M1 PRO, 16GB, thinking Apple M4 Max chip with 16‑core CPU, 40‑core GPU, 16‑core Neural Engine 64GB unified memory upgrade?

[@akashsxo]

Just get as per workload CPU focussed: M4 Pro(14C) GPU focussed: M4 Max(16C) get binned ones only on a tight budget

[@CamCornelius]

1. I too despise the forced upgrades. 2. You neglected to mention the difference in memory bandwith that is especially important when using unified memory. If there is a bandwidtth bottleneck, the cpu and gpu performance does not matter...like a traffic jam where the powerful cpu and gpu are waiting to process the data, but with not enough lanes for the data to get there in time. The increased memory bandwidth on the max will all but eliminate those bottlenecks = delays.

[@magggas.]

Yeah, the prices are indeed insane.

[@Jemmane]

so which one should i get then. still just as confused. upgrading from m1

[@sorv]

Which is better option for high intense workflow like video editing. 1. MacBook Pro - M4 Pro - 14 CPU, 20 GPU - 48 GB 2. MacBook Pro - M2 Max - 14 CPU, 32 GPU - 32 GB Thanks in advance :)

[@BrookStockton]

You're also getting dual video encoders with the Max. Big upgrade.

[@Universal-ID]

I'm thinking of getting my hands on a MacBook Pro with an M4 pro chip base variant is it worth it or not? I don't know about my work load it's gonna be my first apple product... help me to make a decision here?

[@pepeanto]

100% good for anything you throw at them. Even M1 chips are good for 90% of the tasks. These KZbinrs live in a parallel world. All these processors are absolute beasts

[@jessewest1333]

Hi there, originally i went with the base m4 with 24 gb and 512. However The tb5, two Cpu and 6 gpu cores sold me. I chose the base m4 pro. Focus on upgrading the ram and get external storage as apple’s upgrade pricing is highway robbery. With tb5 we are seeing read and write speeds on par with the built in ssd’s on macs so I would honestly recommend spending the xtra and get the base m4 pro minimum as that tb5 will be crucial going forward in the future.

[@jessewest1333]

This is also my 1st apple mac.

[@Universal-ID]

@@jessewest1333 so to sum up your recommendation is to get the MacBook Pro with M4 pro chip (base varient)

[@DC_1984]

Hey, isn't there are difference in the number of video encoders between the M4 Pro and M4 Max as well? The M4 Max has two video encoder engines and two ProRes encoder/decoder engines while the M4 Pro has one of each. I think that Final Cut Pro will fly on the M4 Max. Can't wait for the reviews to surface...

[@Novvvus]

In that scenario, in real life, the only difference you’ll notice is that you might have one more cup of coffee while exporting video on M4 Pro vs M4 Max. That’s not worth $1000. M4 Max is built for completely different tasks than you’re suggesting

[@christopher3d475]

The thing that I find interesting is that comparing the new M4 chips to the latest crop of low-power CPUs from Intel, Intel just isn't keeping up. Compare the Core Ultra 9 288V to the M4, and especially the M4 Pro and it's a slaughterhouse.

[@adamthurmond9092]

You also have to take into account the amount of external displays. M4 Pro in a MacBook only does two external (in a Mac Mini it’s 3 total). If you want to display out to more than two externals you need the M4 Max. The Max isn’t in my budget right now so I’m buying an M4 Pro Mac mini.

[@cagrihekim1916]

Hi Greg, thanks a lot for the video. I could not find any benchmark yet, thus wanted to ask your opinon, I am about to order M4 pro with the following specs. 14-Core CPU 20-Core GPU 24GB Unified Memory My question is there a huge Performance difference between 14 inch version and 16inch version. Again purely on performance and thermals, consider light gaming etc, Thanks in advance 🙂

[@AlessandroSartori82]

You forgot something: cpu on max has an higher clock! Gpu has the DOUBLE of bandwith for the ram. It’s not only about the core count, it’s about speed. But I totally agree that MAX chips are only for professionals!

[@rogermuggleton8127]

There are numerous videos about how various M4 Macs might perform. Some 'reviewers' have never seen or touched an M4 Mac, others might have one but cannot report anything themselves, so there are leaks which may or may not be genuine. But in a week or so there should be more dependable reporting once actual M4 Macs are delivered or NDAs expire. But we cannot resist looking now, even at the reports of M4 Ultra machines which may never exist. For me it's all academic, as my main use revolves around standard business applications, particularly spreadsheets. I'm unique amongst Mac owners as I don't edit video and wouldn't know how to. Thus the need for speed, storage space and memory are easily satisfied by the lowest spec M series Mac. Even so my main machine is a basic M1 Mac Studio, bought in March 2022 and I can't ever see any operational reason to upgrade it. But its fun to speculate, as long as I don't spend any money!

[@Vger1977]

This is what I've been trying to tell people. All of these nonsensical m4 recommendations are based solely on the worst benchmark out there. Geekbench, which has NO relevance in real-world heavy workloads. They're about to find out that for those workloads, these chips will be similar to their mid-range PC counterparts in raw performance.

[@markpeene4757]

6:31 the bar of the binned m4 max is too short it seems the score is lower

[@akin242002]

Good research for consumer optimization. Thus, the M4 Pro MBP 12 core is the best option for professionals unless you have extreme RAM needs.

[@Reddblur]

i was gonna get the m4 pro 1tb, but since m4 max 1tb was on sale on amazon i just went with it instead. only $400 difference with more cores and 36 gb of ram instead of 24.

[@abhigyangohain7690]

Please bring a video on M2 macbook air 16gb ram vs M3 macbook air 16gb ram. The new base models for their new prices.

[@gösta-e3t]

the 12 core is not binned, they're etching off two cores from the full die

[@KanielD]

The power is wild. As someone who frequently upgrades, I think the M4 will hold me over until we get TSMCs A16

[@doctorzalost2436]

The displays are actually brighter at 1000 nits for these machines

[@jessewest1333]

Greg i am ashamed to say that I am not subscribed this entire time even though I thought I did. + 1 Subscriber

[@GregsGadgets]

Haha no worries and ty so much for watching and subscribing!

[@adam_ordway]

Just purchased the m4 pro 14 core with 24GB of ram. I could not justify an extra 1k to the max with more ram. Also something to think about, the max chip’s battery will not last as long as the pro

[@fransschoolstuff6939]

Got the same config for that reason! The upgrades add up fast and the Max would probably be overkill for my workload

[@OgglemcSly]

graphs at 6:33 are very strange? discounting workloads that heavily use graphics, memory bandwidth, media engines. pretty poor analysis.

[@cl0s480]

What if we’re upgrading from the Intel i3 MacBook Air from 2020, would the base M4 suffice?

[@jeffbroome5192]

Can someone give ne a basic description of what a "binned" chip is and is it reliable?

[@TheVoiceofReason4ya]

A chip that has a few cores inactivated, it happens all the time in the wafers where the chips are mfg'ed, so they "Bin them" as a lower cost alternative. The chips are fine because all the other cores work the same as any other ship, there are just less of them that are usable.

[@jessewest1333]

Perfect example is the ipad pro this year which has a binned m4 compared the the Macbook pro. Its a way to save money on chip yields as instead of throwing away good chips they make some adjustments and sell it at a “lower” price.

[@jessewest1333]

Binning is (throwing away into the garbage bin the parts of a chip that dont meet the design standards by) disabling those parts on that said chip. So the rest of the chip is fine so they use it but and sell it at a lower cost. So just like a potatoe with a bad spot they remove the bad part and use it to make a wicked mashed potato.

[@jeffbroome5192]

@ Thanks for the info! That’s pretty much what I thought. I was looking at getting a binned M4 Pro MacBook Pro and decided to not go with it. I need those missing cores!

[@theladdiesda8190]

My wife is a photographer (stills only, no video). Which model do we buy to futureproof for say 5 years or so?

[@bapt_andthebasses]

none

[@theladdiesda8190]

​@@bapt_andthebasses what's your reasoning? Why would it be a waste of money? Her current one is super slow and chasing productivity issues and frustration

[@johnlehew8192]

Machine Learning and running LLMs need the max with 64gb to 128gb of ram, yes super expensive but required

[@whiterock1865]

1:00 um yes it has the new camera, external is the same though.

[@VedranRodic]

thermals are the reason for various "weird" configurations

[@nq2847]

M4 Pro MBP or M4 Pro Mac Mini, which one is going to be throttled? Portability not really a factor as I think I’m going to use my iPad for traveling.

[@pepeanto]

None of them. Both are beasts

[@nq2847]

@ didn’t the M3 MBP had throttling issues though?

[@nq2847]

@ ^ sorry forgot to tag.

[@nespppp]

Upgrading to the Macbook Pro M4 Pro from the MBP 2015!

[@Sinier940n]

The thumbnail is the literarily "The clueless Apple fanboy" meme.

[@GregsGadgets]

Damn

[@VMYeahVN]

It made you click though 💀

[@ralphortiz1398]

That was vicious, demeaning and completely YouTubish. Greg, when you do good in this world, this is what you get. 😬

[@PayneWewton]

You literally can't spell literally.

[@MichaelSidneyTimpson]

I want someone to open up the Max and see if it has Ultra Fusion on it.

[@rukhsanaperween3466]

I wanna ask that should I go with A. MBP M4 PRO with Desktop (mac M4 mini) Or B. MBP M4 pro with ipad air Or C. Desktop (mac M4 pro mini) with ipad air Or D Ipad air with MBP M4 pro with desktop (mac M4 mini) A,B,C or D?? Please help me

[@PerpetualPreponderer]

Which version to get to recreate and revive Future Greg

[@venkateshyr8844]

Please suggest me - i am a automation tester right now ,after some years i will switch my domain to full stack developer or devops engineer or I use this macbook for AI and ML or for other IT domains which iam not sure of So my question is m4 base model is enough for me or i need to go for m4 pro or m3 pro In india m3 pro cost 180000 rupees is it a better deal By the way i rarely edit 4k vedios Should i go for m4 base model or should i wait for m4 air or m4 pro or m3 pro Please reply me as soon as possible

[@aldaricJohnes]

the 2 extra core are prolly efficient core, you can't just /14 then x12