Gregtech and CREATE!? - Star Technology

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Melbourne w/o Coffee

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@trulyno
@trulyno 6 ай бұрын
Oh wow finally a video on my pack. Good luck and have fun! - trulyno, the Star Technology modpack creator
@melbournewocoffee5617
@melbournewocoffee5617 6 ай бұрын
I look forward to exploring it, I saw the post in the discord! Thank you for the publicity, I'll let you know if I experience any bugs
@hairyballbastic8943
@hairyballbastic8943 6 ай бұрын
This is one of the sexiest modpacks I've ever seen, great work!
@LevelUpGA
@LevelUpGA 6 ай бұрын
it looks like if the pack is on 1.17+ and has gravestone mod, you can beat it without any block 😎
@yihaowan861
@yihaowan861 5 ай бұрын
Really a high-quality pack. Great work!
@TH3_N
@TH3_N 5 ай бұрын
where can i download it? its not on curseforge
@teamruddy611
@teamruddy611 5 ай бұрын
When i started playing the modpack, I never needed steam machines. I am pretty sure that you can make red alloy dust in a crafting table, then smelt that to get the red alloy ingots. I would have to check though.I Also, when you make the crushing wheels to process cobblestone, you can perform this step in the cheaper Millstone. Gravel to Send however, requires the crushing wheels, since Millstones would turn the Gravel into flint.
@osky-n3b
@osky-n3b 6 ай бұрын
Turns out the wandering trader is disabled but still spawns so he disappears instantly
@hjcks1
@hjcks1 6 ай бұрын
this pack looks really cool looking forward to seeing the progression
@melbournewocoffee5617
@melbournewocoffee5617 6 ай бұрын
Thanks! I'm looking forward to getting into some big machines again
@IlluminatiJoeCrusade
@IlluminatiJoeCrusade 6 ай бұрын
GregTech AND Create? This will cause a war!
@melbournewocoffee5617
@melbournewocoffee5617 6 ай бұрын
Absolutely, but its not a 1.19 pack with create I suppose
@ИгорьМерзляков-р7д
@ИгорьМерзляков-р7д 6 ай бұрын
This would rather cause unoin of People Gregic Society and Create Inginers.
@Andreyas-ou7fq
@Andreyas-ou7fq 5 ай бұрын
Do you mean without create?​@@melbournewocoffee5617
@Gorobcik_7209
@Gorobcik_7209 4 ай бұрын
@@melbournewocoffee5617 yeah its a 1.19.2 pack with create
@sniperfuazo6495
@sniperfuazo6495 3 ай бұрын
@@ИгорьМерзляков-р7д might as well port gregtech 6 into 1.19 so people have to calculate all the energy loss and unit conversions and all
@aa-rv5wz
@aa-rv5wz 6 ай бұрын
I'm so so glad you're doing another series so soon, you're incredibly underrated for how informative, chill, and funny your videos are and it's super nice to see someone actually finishing packs ;)
@jaccotto8358
@jaccotto8358 6 ай бұрын
I personally think technological journey was the perfect pack for a new serie BUT i voted for star technology bc i was curious about new gen gregtech and i do not have a powerful enough pc to try it myself so i'm glad you're making a serie thx
@spookwave4966
@spookwave4966 5 ай бұрын
broo I remember trying to do this a year ago and even suggested making a pack like this! I dont know if someone picked it up and made this or it’s always been here but its pretty dang awesome that it exists.
@Brot_in_der_Dose
@Brot_in_der_Dose 6 ай бұрын
Hi I've also started playing the pack and you don't have to build a steam machine at all because after you've built an LV machine casing you can buy the input and output hatches.
@melbournewocoffee5617
@melbournewocoffee5617 6 ай бұрын
Of course I missed that skip. There are always so many different ways to do things
@i.8530
@i.8530 2 ай бұрын
nice work, this video was very enjoyable. keep it up!
@sandllc1361
@sandllc1361 5 ай бұрын
Bro you're gonna become big if you keep making videos, you're very charismatic
@Dauom
@Dauom 6 ай бұрын
The editing was great in this video! I'm so hyped for this pack it looks really cool will all the multis :D
@Adowrath
@Adowrath 6 ай бұрын
God bless the algorithm sometimes - your editing style is really clean, and I was hoping there would be a modpack that combines Greg (or a descendant like Modern Industrialization) and Create deeply. (or I was gonna try and make one myself lmao)
@ninjanimarkus6077
@ninjanimarkus6077 6 ай бұрын
the first greg war was with tinker's mod, I hear an impending one with create
@melbournewocoffee5617
@melbournewocoffee5617 6 ай бұрын
I do believe that gear brain thinking is objectively worse than greg brain
@CarpathiaS
@CarpathiaS 6 ай бұрын
One can only hope :p
@nicoscool2333
@nicoscool2333 5 ай бұрын
holy crap its like gtnh but not as long this is epic
@GracefulBreak28
@GracefulBreak28 4 ай бұрын
Amazing vid and uh just a question how do you place many same blocks at once i still dont know how effortless building mod yet kinda knew to modded
@josephconover5270
@josephconover5270 4 ай бұрын
The spore recipie has been buffed heavily in the latest versions, making it viable to use now instead of the method used in his video.
@melbournewocoffee5617
@melbournewocoffee5617 4 ай бұрын
Yeah I saw, I've actually automated rubber production using the new method
@unarei
@unarei 3 ай бұрын
4:36 the aqueous accumulator could be replaced with a water block and the pipes would extract infinitely from it.​ I'm not sure why the quest book asks you to make one. also you don't need to sieve coarse dirt, you can right click it with a hoe and 100% converts. but sieving is a lot more convenient. someone already said but there's another recipe for red alloy, iirc it uses the create mixer or something
@natanaelvicenteferreira590
@natanaelvicenteferreira590 6 ай бұрын
Loved this episode man, the way you structure out your videos is amazing, hope to see more like this :)
@Earthpiggy
@Earthpiggy 6 ай бұрын
this just scratches my brain the right way
@baal8938
@baal8938 5 ай бұрын
gregified ma? Holy chlorobenzenioly
@shurturgal
@shurturgal 6 ай бұрын
Can't wait for it, I might just download it and play it along you (until I don't cuz you're advancing way faster than me and I get discouraged by it lol)
@IlluminatiJoeCrusade
@IlluminatiJoeCrusade 6 ай бұрын
Remember that a youtuber will compress a video so the viewers enjoy it without going through the tedious and grindy parts. Also everyone plays at a different pace, don't worry if you're playing the pack "wrong" because there is no right or wrong way to play a modpack! (I spent 50 hours in GT new horizons in order to make myself the first circuit). Enjoy playing!
@melbournewocoffee5617
@melbournewocoffee5617 6 ай бұрын
Don't get too disheartened, it took me 1000 hours to get through GTCeu and most people can do that in about 300. I'm already at 34 hours playtime so I am by no means fast
@enderfriendphyscowits7934
@enderfriendphyscowits7934 3 ай бұрын
Awesome video, downloaded the pack because of you! Had a question: how did you transfer the farm output into composters for bonemeal? I was only able to get hoppers to work.
@stefan-adriannita4418
@stefan-adriannita4418 6 ай бұрын
very nice video I hope this channel gets the recognition it deserves
@yggdrasil3529
@yggdrasil3529 6 ай бұрын
Create? in greging process? heresy!
@killerdzn2553
@killerdzn2553 5 ай бұрын
Im playing this modpack too, but you make it look so easy xD
@Skazzzie
@Skazzzie 20 күн бұрын
This is the first video i see on your channal and the first thing is a peter griffin looking at me a nd saying: "welcome to the channal". I don't even know what to say but that was to much for me to handle atm xD
@sarpele2417
@sarpele2417 6 ай бұрын
litteraly combined my 2 favourite mods
@stefan-adriannita4418
@stefan-adriannita4418 6 ай бұрын
very excited for the next video 🇧🇦
@disguisedchloe
@disguisedchloe 4 күн бұрын
Bro out here utilising 100% GPU for Minecraft, scary honestly
@Itplaysss
@Itplaysss 3 ай бұрын
Your style reminds me of threefold and I love it
@BreadMan96
@BreadMan96 Ай бұрын
this feels unholy, but it seems so right...
@loumpaloumpa111
@loumpaloumpa111 6 ай бұрын
Just leaving a comment for the support
@voltaire5562
@voltaire5562 5 ай бұрын
I really agree about Create, it's a good thing by itself, but not as part of progression in my large tech modpack. Gregging is the only way...
@oxygen3138
@oxygen3138 6 ай бұрын
Nice vid lol, the shaders and music are really nice but I think the text could be improved by Mabey narration with voice or sum but other than that it's a really nice video so we'll done
@lakehouse445
@lakehouse445 6 ай бұрын
Can you make a megacut of all the gregtech episodes?
@melbournewocoffee5617
@melbournewocoffee5617 6 ай бұрын
I'm planning on doing a retrospective once exams are over, so keep your eyes peeled for that
@kala7147
@kala7147 5 ай бұрын
hey, ive been playing this pack with my friend for a while. I cannot seem to know how to get carbon dust for the resistors. Could you help me?
@melbournewocoffee5617
@melbournewocoffee5617 5 ай бұрын
Yeah of course, just use charcoal or coal dust, they work as well as carbon dust
@NotTheDAHASAG
@NotTheDAHASAG 5 ай бұрын
Classic wandering trader jumpscare
@renanmarques5151
@renanmarques5151 6 ай бұрын
How did you manage to make your large farm work? I tried everything and it just simply doesn't output potatoes.
@melbournewocoffee5617
@melbournewocoffee5617 6 ай бұрын
Just check that you've got the right circuit conditions in the input bus
@theplet4414
@theplet4414 29 күн бұрын
what's that mod that allows you to use a kind of "world edit" in survival where you placed multiple cobble at once to hammer them at around 7:37 ? i'd like to use it
@melbournewocoffee5617
@melbournewocoffee5617 22 күн бұрын
Effortless building, default key is ALT
@lightningwaltz9705
@lightningwaltz9705 5 ай бұрын
1:40 What key do you press to break all those leaves at once?
@melbournewocoffee5617
@melbournewocoffee5617 5 ай бұрын
Its the ultimine key, I have mine set to [ ` ]
@lightningwaltz9705
@lightningwaltz9705 5 ай бұрын
@@melbournewocoffee5617 thanks 😊
@Ace21594
@Ace21594 5 ай бұрын
@@melbournewocoffee5617 how do you place multiple blocks at 7:27
@Ace21594
@Ace21594 5 ай бұрын
@@melbournewocoffee5617 never mind i found it out but great series i cant wait for the next episode
@Kronos381
@Kronos381 6 ай бұрын
Hi! Will wire without isolation hit you with electricity, or it applied on higher voltage?
@melbournewocoffee5617
@melbournewocoffee5617 6 ай бұрын
Not when it is the superconductor, regular wires definitely will kill you (in minecraft)
@Kronos381
@Kronos381 6 ай бұрын
@@melbournewocoffee5617 IRL too,i got hit from damaged wire while restoring the wiring of the refrigerator
@TimDrogin
@TimDrogin 3 ай бұрын
Hey, just need an advise if you still remember how things worked early game. I dropped a bunch of items by accident while moving my storage, and I lost all my coins. So the question is, if I have access to to early tree Greg machines, is there a way to produce enough steel for kinetic ore factory without grinding for four hours? Don’t feel like building six smelters and a bunch of coke ovens and running like a maniac( Or this is the prime Greg experience?
@melbournewocoffee5617
@melbournewocoffee5617 3 ай бұрын
I'm not sure, but I do believe you will just have to wait, if something is ever taking a while, just make more of it
@griffinshannon7519
@griffinshannon7519 Ай бұрын
Help! How do you set down multiple blocks all at once like at 7:29?! I've been looking everywhere and can't find an answer. Is it a keybind? Edit: It's the Effortless Building mod. You just hold alt to select different build modes.
@melbournewocoffee5617
@melbournewocoffee5617 Ай бұрын
Yes it is effortless building, the default binding is ALT but just check
@wuffles9584
@wuffles9584 4 ай бұрын
i wish there was a guide for this modpack because i tried playing it and my brain almost exploded
@melbournewocoffee5617
@melbournewocoffee5617 4 ай бұрын
I will probably be making a few guide videos after this series is done so keep your eyes peeled
@Zygorg
@Zygorg 5 ай бұрын
7:29 how can you place multiple? (also, 3rd time watching the vod, because there's no EP3 yet)
@pureprotego
@pureprotego 5 ай бұрын
did you find the answer?
@Zygorg
@Zygorg 5 ай бұрын
@@pureprotego its a placing mod, search for mode or placing in the keybinds options
@davidterhaar3844
@davidterhaar3844 5 ай бұрын
@@Zygorg hi there! i tried to find as Placing mod but its seem to me vanilla even i tried to do as 7:29 those did it, any idea how change it default to recommend rebind those key? hopefully there answer ^_^
@Nic1Nacs
@Nic1Nacs 4 ай бұрын
Hold the 'Alt' key with whichever block you want to place to bring up options
@culturedak_479
@culturedak_479 3 күн бұрын
I know I'm a bit late but, how do you get the item pipes to transfer into the large stone barrels? My pipes will extract and put into the basins and even after setting the flow direction to only flow into the barrel and the drawer they still wont take the cobblestone out of the basins
@renskloosterman4045
@renskloosterman4045 3 күн бұрын
It's called a Chute. It's from the Create mod
@culturedak_479
@culturedak_479 3 күн бұрын
@@renskloosterman4045 I know what a chute is and how that works but I'm trying to use the fluid and item pipes and they're not transferring items or fluids like they're supposed to
@melbournewocoffee5617
@melbournewocoffee5617 2 күн бұрын
Make sure you've wrenched your pipez to make them export
@joepiejaapie
@joepiejaapie 2 ай бұрын
How do you do the quickbuild thing?
@zuzoscorner
@zuzoscorner 3 ай бұрын
is the speed any different with a Large Farm from Greg and a Create harvester bearing farm?
@melbournewocoffee5617
@melbournewocoffee5617 3 ай бұрын
The greg farm is just easier to automate, much finer control
@milkman4407
@milkman4407 2 ай бұрын
IF I SEE ONE MORE AQUEOUS ACCUMULATOR I WILL GO INSANE, ONE CREATE MECHANICAL PUMP GIVES ENOUGH WATER Edit: also the crushing wheels instead of a millstone early game gave me an aneurysm, early game it’s pretty simple to make an infinite gravel supply.
@Willdunn2008
@Willdunn2008 Ай бұрын
I’m curious how you got to the multi block recipe screen like at 8:12
@melbournewocoffee5617
@melbournewocoffee5617 Ай бұрын
So in EMI, you can go to multiblock information, and you'll find all 114 or something different structures
@themetheme4368
@themetheme4368 Ай бұрын
the star tech on forge has tons of bugs that prevent you from progressing spent over 200 hours on the pack getting to hv and nothing would upgrade with the cards
@melbournewocoffee5617
@melbournewocoffee5617 Ай бұрын
The upgrade card work in a really funny way, you can't get them from the creative menu and they don't say how much they upgrade things, but if you craft them, they work on all thermal series machines and scale up processing, LV upgrade does 4x, MV does 16x and so o, they are challenging to grasp though I understand
@henrybulgin2469
@henrybulgin2469 4 ай бұрын
How do you place down that much cobblestone?
@hoanglam649
@hoanglam649 6 ай бұрын
AE2 is obtainable in MV (I'm almost there)
@melbournewocoffee5617
@melbournewocoffee5617 6 ай бұрын
Cannot wait for automation, I crave the crafting screen
@hoanglam649
@hoanglam649 6 ай бұрын
@@melbournewocoffee5617 same
@TheGodOfAss
@TheGodOfAss 2 ай бұрын
You reach mv yet?
@Joshcuol
@Joshcuol 4 ай бұрын
How did you place all those blocks at once at 7:31 would be really useful haha
@melbournewocoffee5617
@melbournewocoffee5617 4 ай бұрын
effortless building, just check your key binds
@Joshcuol
@Joshcuol 4 ай бұрын
Thanks
@Mr_Balla
@Mr_Balla 3 ай бұрын
How did you get that texture for Pipez pipes? The default one is boring
@melbournewocoffee5617
@melbournewocoffee5617 3 ай бұрын
Its a resource pack called pretty pipez
@Bones-5678
@Bones-5678 4 ай бұрын
I am trying to use the fluid cell but I can't get it to work. Any tips?
@melbournewocoffee5617
@melbournewocoffee5617 4 ай бұрын
You have to manually set its i/o its quite difficult to work
@terrancekuijpers3107
@terrancekuijpers3107 4 ай бұрын
can you show what youd do wityh the multi blocks cause for me it does not worjk
@yourlocalmilkman8481
@yourlocalmilkman8481 5 ай бұрын
Is that Peetah Griffin!!!!
@melbournewocoffee5617
@melbournewocoffee5617 5 ай бұрын
hey lois!
@MetalheadArepa
@MetalheadArepa 6 ай бұрын
so cool! cant wait for more episodes
@kittybowl2242
@kittybowl2242 4 ай бұрын
great video, and it made me want to play the modpack too. however i hve a problem, my wire don't seem to want to transfer power. any idea why ?
@melbournewocoffee5617
@melbournewocoffee5617 4 ай бұрын
without seeing it I don't think I'll be able to help, post it in the help section of the star tech discord and somebody will definitely help
@kittybowl2242
@kittybowl2242 4 ай бұрын
thank you for the advice:D
@ayi_oglu_ayi
@ayi_oglu_ayi 3 ай бұрын
how tf do i automate bone meals? batch composter does not give bone meal like it says in jei, gives compost
@melbournewocoffee5617
@melbournewocoffee5617 3 ай бұрын
Just auto put in excess farm products into a minecraft composter, then extract with a hopper
@ayi_oglu_ayi
@ayi_oglu_ayi 3 ай бұрын
@@melbournewocoffee5617 yeah I tried chute but thought hopper would'nt work, thanks!
@Xeno_gene_sis
@Xeno_gene_sis 5 ай бұрын
bros poor computer fighting for its life, average of 90% gpu usage and 65% ram 💀💀💀
@melbournewocoffee5617
@melbournewocoffee5617 5 ай бұрын
My computer longs for the greg
@naveengraze
@naveengraze 4 ай бұрын
i get 99 percent GPU usage in vanilla lol... GT 730 Btw.
@hakko89legend25
@hakko89legend25 3 ай бұрын
The mine too but i get 1300 on vanilla
@siluss
@siluss Ай бұрын
​@@naveengrazeTotally twinning oomfie
@naveengraze
@naveengraze Ай бұрын
@@siluss i dont understand
@Duckiee22
@Duckiee22 4 ай бұрын
How to open the star tech thingy to get the tokens
@melbournewocoffee5617
@melbournewocoffee5617 4 ай бұрын
Its in the quest book, under the shop tab
@lerp4414
@lerp4414 5 ай бұрын
Why do your item pipez look way better than normal? The model is different to the standard model I mean
@melbournewocoffee5617
@melbournewocoffee5617 5 ай бұрын
I'm using the pretty pipez resource pack
@lerp4414
@lerp4414 5 ай бұрын
@@melbournewocoffee5617 thanks, didn't know that existed. looks way better
@JuraRay
@JuraRay 4 ай бұрын
is it downloadable?
@Alexxanser2
@Alexxanser2 5 ай бұрын
Can you help me please, I did the same kinetic ore factory ad it didn´t work, I don´t know why :,c
@melbournewocoffee5617
@melbournewocoffee5617 5 ай бұрын
just make sure have the right RPM and stress units for it, its a bit fiddly but you can get it to work
@Alexxanser2
@Alexxanser2 5 ай бұрын
@@melbournewocoffee5617 still not working XD
@nu1344
@nu1344 5 ай бұрын
@@Alexxanser2 did you find a solution? i have the same problem
@nu1344
@nu1344 5 ай бұрын
The ouput bus needs to be LV not ULV
@SillySquid1
@SillySquid1 4 ай бұрын
how do you do that at 7:31?
@melbournewocoffee5617
@melbournewocoffee5617 4 ай бұрын
effortless building, I think the default key is ALT
@SillySquid1
@SillySquid1 4 ай бұрын
@@melbournewocoffee5617 thank you!
@SillySquid1
@SillySquid1 4 ай бұрын
@@melbournewocoffee5617 i was also wondering how you got pulverized cobblestone slabs? i cant find any
@Pranshu_126
@Pranshu_126 6 ай бұрын
Bro you play like a Minecraft modded god pls make video early I like to watch them
@cosmoah9671
@cosmoah9671 6 ай бұрын
Id love to do this but i love my sanity
@snhmln
@snhmln 5 ай бұрын
"Melbourne without Coffee" so nothing?
@Yoggan0
@Yoggan0 6 ай бұрын
me waiting for the next video
@primusenn
@primusenn 6 ай бұрын
does the man have a discord community?
@melbournewocoffee5617
@melbournewocoffee5617 6 ай бұрын
not yet, but I am in the Star Technology discord
@CrazyMFx1
@CrazyMFx1 4 ай бұрын
how to hell did you obtain diamonds??
@Notdababy69alois
@Notdababy69alois 4 ай бұрын
One word: gregtech
@aranyavssinjini9756
@aranyavssinjini9756 12 күн бұрын
Your mem and graphics is max still how u get max fps
@melbournewocoffee5617
@melbournewocoffee5617 9 күн бұрын
Yeah no idea, it's been like this the entire game
@eetukangas9449
@eetukangas9449 5 ай бұрын
why does my far say its idling and not produssing stuff
@eetukangas9449
@eetukangas9449 5 ай бұрын
farm
@melbournewocoffee5617
@melbournewocoffee5617 5 ай бұрын
Just check that you have all of the conditions required, so the soil on top is tilled, there is enough output space and you have the right circuit and input
@eetukangas9449
@eetukangas9449 5 ай бұрын
I forgot to put The programmer sircuit
@panos-ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
@panos-ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 5 ай бұрын
HOW THE FUCK DOES THE LARGE BARREL WORK AAAAAAAAAAAAAH
@melbournewocoffee5617
@melbournewocoffee5617 5 ай бұрын
You need to use input busses and hatches, and make sure you have the right circuit set for the recipe you want
@panos-ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
@panos-ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 5 ай бұрын
@@melbournewocoffee5617 Thank you, I love this series!
@ninjanimarkus6077
@ninjanimarkus6077 6 ай бұрын
ok so i tried the pack, everytime I load in "multiblock info" the game legit dies instantly, what do I do?
@melbournewocoffee5617
@melbournewocoffee5617 6 ай бұрын
I recommend joining the discord to check issues, the developer is pretty active there, its in the modpage description and I'll add it to descriptions going forwards
@wesleyvanderveen4226
@wesleyvanderveen4226 5 ай бұрын
pack name
@melbournewocoffee5617
@melbournewocoffee5617 5 ай бұрын
Star Technology
@VertexBuffer
@VertexBuffer 6 ай бұрын
Gregtech + Create should be a crime. I finished nomifactory ceu and now I'm playing gtnh. In my opinion Gregtech is far more better than create.
@nerdcuddles7731
@nerdcuddles7731 6 ай бұрын
mhmmm... gregification
@CringeBasedLifeform
@CringeBasedLifeform 4 ай бұрын
bros PC is struggling to keep up
@melbournewocoffee5617
@melbournewocoffee5617 4 ай бұрын
Modded minecraft brings my PC to its knees
@zombieboyxx
@zombieboyxx 3 ай бұрын
3:00 this is why i stop playing modpacks when they have grinding like this... its not actual fun gameplay its just using an auto clicker to duplicate stuff and its not worth it
@mickey_mousey
@mickey_mousey 2 ай бұрын
Dude. You skipped over like 90% of the pack. I'd like to know how you actually did any of the stuff you did not "So I built an entire thing off camera don't worry about it." Like, suddenly you had diamonds.
@melbournewocoffee5617
@melbournewocoffee5617 2 ай бұрын
Yeah, the first few videos of this playthrough are made like this, if you check out the more recent videos you'll see a bit more
@zuzoscorner
@zuzoscorner 5 ай бұрын
Gregtech is tedium lol
@melbournewocoffee5617
@melbournewocoffee5617 5 ай бұрын
yeah but its fun :)
@zuzoscorner
@zuzoscorner 3 ай бұрын
@@melbournewocoffee5617 I suppose i could dip my toes in then. even if I only really know the basics
@crambouithestupid
@crambouithestupid 5 ай бұрын
What version of this modpack are you currently playing ? I'm on the Beta 10 hotfix 4 and your version seems to have more quest book pages ? Just wondering about it really
@melbournewocoffee5617
@melbournewocoffee5617 5 ай бұрын
I'm playing on Beta 10 hotfix 3, no reason for me not to go to hotfix 4 I've just been a lazy boy
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