UK Type 26 Frigate & Type 45 Destroyer vs China Type 055 & 052D Destroyers (Naval Battle 100) | DCS

[@eskildscott7841]

would love to see this but with the us against china instead, also would love too see the iver huitfeld class frigate in a video ;)

[@cassius_eu5970]

They already did a China vs US destroyer battle: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jpy4Z3Z4ZsSKpdk :)

[@piaoduandiao_]

@xuhuama1238😂😂

[@A350Airways]

Or Japanese Atagos; Japan would be fighting the PLAN long before an Iver Huitfeld or Type 26 would...

[@LondonSteveLee]

If you manage to intercept a hypersonic missile a few hundred feet from its target - the missile is still going to take your ship out. You'll just convert it into a massive fragmentation bomb which will tear everything important to pieces - sensors, RADAR, personnel. That 45 would be history.

[@wordzy]

Would suck to be part of the upper deck weapons crew when that happened.

[@nicksutton3192]

Ok navy expert steve

[@gattlinggun9881]

TH!S GAME ENG!NES US PR0PAGANDA!!!

[@LondonSteveLee]

​@@ts757arse Indeed, you don't need to sink a ship - just take it out of the battle. All this focus on million dollar missiles when the future is a sub popping up or a small craft up-wind over the horizon launching 250 cheap shaped-charge or grenade-carrying drones with AI programmed to look for and attack telecommunications equipment, RADAR masts, the bridge, any aircraft etc. How do you defend against that? One you've taken the ship's eyes and ears - it's a sitting duck - at the very least it's no longer a fighting force.

[@LondonSteveLee]

@@ts757arse But these small mostly plastic drones carrying plastic explosives are practically invisible on RADAR. Sure optical systems are pretty good - but only in the right conditions - and if you are hit with a swarm of them you are not going to win.

[@Black_loyalist]

In Real Scenario, they would launch barrage of YJ-18 missiles first, while firing YJ-21 wave after YJ-18 reach halfway. So they would arrive in the same time and the effects would be massive

[@truezyf]

DCS developer need to improve the launch program. they don't do this in real life

[@Chickenworm9394]

DCS must nerf Chinese weapons to make the western bloc look less ugly

[@pewww99]

really sounds devastating

[@Black_loyalist]

@@pewww99 Not only that. The depicted scenario is also wrong. YJ-21 is using Wave Rider technology, which make them Much more maneuverable than Conventional anti ship missiles. In this scenario, they potray YJ-21 just like traditional one

[@jdeuraud1096]

@@Black_loyalist “YJ-21 is using Wave Rider technology, which make them Much more maneuverable than Conventional anti ship missiles.” Says the CCP. Do you have any proof that the PRC has this tech, other than the CCP says so? Hells, do you have any proof that the YJ-21 and its DF counterpart works at all? The PRC's HGV that got the world into a tizzy about Hypersonics missed its target, a stationary location, by 24 miles, and was launched by a rocket booster, not the DF missile booster that is the other half of the DF/YJ missile. The issue I have with all PRC scenarios are that the specs for their tech is based upon what the CCP tells us, not what the world has witnessed.

[@yible3278]

The YJ-21 that was intercepted just next to a T45 would have inflicted a LOT of shrapnel damage on the upper decks. When u intercept a missile head on (ish) then bits of shrapnel may behave like a titanic shotgun blast.

[@cassaia7805]

Imagine a hot 4m piece of metal hitting the tower of the ship at mach 5/6

[@zenntoshi]

​阿三宇宙第一😂@xuhuama1238

[@FLHawkeye]

CSIS War game shows YJ 18’s all fired first then YJ-21 fired at half way mark to overwhelm defense of ships like they were designed. YJ-21 is Mach 6 and terminal speed of Mach 10. You have it backwards and don’t have these Chinese ships programmed correctly.

[@Hsinking]

otherwise this video can only last for 5 minutes lol

[@Chickenworm9394]

​@Hsinking Ah yes, the 5 Minutes Craft I love to watch

[@JM-bn2xe]

In a real life scenario, these Chinese warships would be sunken by US subs before they leave the docks

[@teeong1645]

​@@JM-bn2xelike the USS Connecticut?? 😂😂😂

[@virginccyy7645]

No one has a terminal speed Hypersonic anti ship missile going at mach 10, how do I know that? Easy because how the hell is it gonna get a continuous weapons grade track that is moving? Can't happen! Only non moving fixed targets can be targeted!

[@justiceglobal1277]

8 Type055 already in service, and 8 more will be under construction

[@hughmungus2760]

china is building the equivalent tonnage of a whole british navy every 5 years

[@kinh211]

@@hughmungus2760一年一个法国海军😂

[@golden_rust1713]

I can't wait to see if someone does the constellation class frigate from the U.S. against other frigates

[@MrYaxalot]

Its just a smaller burke with a less capable radar and less vlss cells

[@golden_rust1713]

Yea but in my mind it is still cool

[@nickgreer6877]

@@golden_rust1713 I love this reply... like everything is a derivative of something... so if we took "Just a small Burke" approach to life then how boring would life be 😀

[@tonykriss1594]

@@nickgreer6877 Well it's not just "a small burke". There's another catch that is US navy forget why they want constellation in the first place.

[@montys420-]

​@@MrYaxalotand a tiny gun

[@bohan9957]

In real life the YJ-18s and YJ-21s would be timed so they arrive on target simultaneously. Same goes for the Spears and Naval Strike Missiles. The side that carries the most "tube" (most AAMs) prevail. But basically in a future peer-to-peer fight, no surface vessel is safe.

[@xXBisquitsXx]

yeah that's why a lot of countries are investing in Submarines, carriers and land/air launched ASM's. Also why modern warships tend to favour defense as they are just there to act as floating radars/AA platforms.

[@desendean6488]

Why do we need it though 🤔

[@trolleriffic]

@@desendean6488 Most of the world's trade goes by sea. Cut a nation off from its sea links and it can quickly run out of food, fuel, essential machinery, etc. There's also issues like disputes over territory so it's useful to be able to deter a potential aggressor from just seizing your islands and offshore facilities whenever they want.

[@desendean6488]

@@trolleriffic these war ships are good for only two reasons , number 1 is for power . Number 2 is for destruction

[@chanalex8358]

YJ-21D is the longest anti-ship missile in the world , this is a one side attacking . The Chinese warship could easily beat any warships around the world include aircraft.

[@wstj4240]

The type 55 and type 52 are built as group defense warship to protect carriers. Its amount of VLS is carries are the answers

[@landon1882]

Let's not say why Type055 and 052D come close to the range of SPEAR 5 can hit, YJ-21 can be intercepted? Over 10 mark missile strike vertically can not be intercepted yet on this planet

[@willwozniak2826]

Did you see the video where Cap launched 80 YJ 21s at a 2025 US Carrier Strike Group? 😅😅

[@landon1882]

@@willwozniak2826 Lmao. That's ridiculous

[@sweatybotfn9982]

@@willwozniak2826YJ-21 is not impossible to intercept, just super hard because of the speed, it’s difficult to predict it’s trajectory and to control the timing. The really untouchable missile is DF-17 using a gliding trajectory, unable to be predicted it goes like /^\_ out and back in the atmosphere, like a dolphin leaping out and then cruising at high speed below

[@kiana154]

All ballistic missile can be intercepted in mid-course,but only China and USA have mid-course missile interception

[@landon1882]

@@kiana154 The ballistic trajectory of YJ21 can not be predicted even in the mid-course. Cause it uses qian-xuesen ballistics. The trajectory could do up-and-down motion

[@nicholas8997]

The Type 055 is -by far- the most advanced and capable Destroyer Class in the world, according to most relevant Naval experts. They are NO MATCH against the British equivalents, which are not even in top 5 among Destroyers globally on most lists (2022-). Not even the latest Arleigh-Burke Flights are equal. Type 055s have anti/ship ballistic missiles etc. And the largest and most sensitive radar detection fields in the world, not to mention the type 055 is super hard to see on enemy radars due to their anti-radar stealth design - not even mentioned here. Also, not even all systems and capabilities on the type 055 are even known yet. You are quite funny to suggest they have a chance. 🙂 Thank goodness, we will probably never find out how this battle would end IRL.

[@markchadderton4857]

Baffling

[@jamie193h]

True but then again, the type 45 amd type 26 are not designed to fight surface ships, they have the capability but its not their job. So of course in a one on one engagement they aren't going to do as well, but as part of a CSG the Chinese are probs hard pressed

[@Isaax-vv6rt]

The world doesn't work by rankings, modern warships are so advanced that even weaker warships are able to kill those that have more firepower, simply due to the capabilities of modern missles.😅

[@Trbrigade]

Chinese russian fanboys are so stupid

[@tomsoki5738]

One problem, it’s Chinese, Chinese tech is decades off western tech and the Chinese lie about EVERYTHING just like the Russians

[@大大庆庆哥哥]

I've seen a lot of discussion on Chinese websites about type26 destroyers, and the general consensus is that the ship offers too much space for sailors' comfort and too little for weapons, with some calling it a "luxury cruise ship with advanced weapons." type26 does a good job of form factor design and high-tech weaponry, but it is not an "go all out" warship, and usually a destroyer of this tonnage can have more weapons systems.

[@kinh211]

威慑中国海警都够呛🤣

[@FriedPi-mc5yt]

No self respecting Brit will ever turn down the chance for a sea battle.

[@jianyang6281]

I dont think YJ-21 could be intercepted so easily.

[@peters620]

Hypersonic missiles have huge thermal and radar cross sections have to slow down in their terminal stages where they can't maneuver rapidly either. The bigger problem is the fragments are still dangerous. Their advantage is the ability to get near the target rather than evade terminal defenses

[@Hsinking]

In real combats, no one can adjust the parameters to give the losing side some decencies.

[@shanghainewbison7687]

In reality, Chinese Navy would send out >1000 drones through 075 type ships first to drain your air--defense missiles first before launching any YJ18 or YJ21 anti-ship missiles.

[@rayhuang6155]

not 075,is 076😂

[@bieke780]

076

[@11Tits]

wait till this guy realises ships are being fitted with jammers against drone attacks

[@OscarZheng50]

the antiship SPEAR 5 looks like how the f104 would look like if it was a unmanned missile

[@m1t2a1]

F-104 became a manned and unmanned missile often enough for the credit.

[@kriswu6666cute]

LOL yes!!! It does look like a f104. It's so cute(hard to relate that to a missile but it is a cute one )

[@OscarZheng50]

@@kriswu6666cute the f104 already looks like a missile, its basically a missile with a cockpit that carries and shoots missiles

[@trolleriffic]

@@m1t2a1 Mainly in a ground-attack capacity and whether the pilot liked it or not...

[@ivorharden]

This channel is the best. Good content posted everyday. Thank you Grim Reapers for killing the boredom.

[@grimreapers]

Yes Sir

[@MarkoDash]

that first last ditch sea-scepter intercept was amazing, the way it TV'ed right out of the tube to interpose itself between the ship and the missile. IRL that would probably still have been a mission killed ship, at such short range the remains of the YJ-21 would have become mach 6 buckshot.

[@grimreapers]

Yup, reminds me of the remains of Scud missiles hitting the city even after Patriot hit them in 1991.

[@dorothythompson4832]

@@grimreapers嘿，美国佬😂

[@lengthao8424]

​@@grimreapersPatrick missles can't protect Saudi Oil Fields and had been destroyed in Ukraine as well any body use US and Britain make weapons will lost period.......!!!!!!! Since Korean War America and Western make weapons lost all the war that is truth and its very very sad.......!!!!!!!!!

[@dma6987]

​@@lengthao8424 will，thanks to irac，it works in gluf war

[@bardslee]

FYI RN warfare officer here they type 45 can get positive weapons lock on a US Arleigh Burke-class destroyer before said destroyer is able to detect the type 45. Then can guide in assets from the submarine fleet, feel air arm etc no way the chines out range the Americans the aster 30 have the highest success rate of any SAM battery and sea sceptre is even more accurate. The type 45s fire control computer doesn't get over saturated.

[@darkstar453]

I like how each Spear 5 has 4 interceptors flying right at it in a line. The PLAN want to make damn sure they hit it.

[@hughmungus2760]

its supersonic, sea skimming and low observable so it is probably the most dangerous thing outside of hypersonics.

[@jamesfletcher9032]

2 yj21s hit the same ship at 12mins btw. great video, happy 100 naval battles!

[@marinuslubbe3993]

The way the AI is wasting the chinese SAM's is unreal. I don't know if there's some coding bias going on ( I don't think so ) but if they weren't so much stronger ships they would loose with the way they were wasting their missiles.

[@hallo84]

They have to compensate this in the game or it would be too boring having the western factions lose all the time. In reality nothing travelling at mach 10 vertically has been intercepted yet with a missile so the first YJ-21 salvo would've already have done the job.

[@ry4n813]

Good video :) we did better than I expected ☕ Love your work lads

[@billwhoever2830]

the type 055 is not "incredibly expensive", one of these "cruisers" costs a bit less than a type 45, considering Chinas GDP its safe to asume China will keep producing these, in big numbers, making the unit cost fall even lower

[@mikuzoid]

Yep, the Pentagon is currently pushing for a $1 trillion budget just to keep match with China just due to how much more cost efficient the Chinese are lol.

[@MaxIsStrange1]

I think you meant China’s GDP (Gross Domestic Product) but you confused it with Chat GPT. If not, could you explain which GPT (General-Purpose Technology) did you mean? It seems like only mass production and automation really fit…

[@TP-ie3hj]

I guess his comment is relative? That said, I agree, I have read that it cost far less than a Type 45 or Burke. They have 8 in service and it looks like the second batch is already underway. I think its safe to say they will be made in large numbers with at least 16 in service within a short few years.

[@dexlab7539]

Yes, Type 55 costs much less than US Burke. This is the end game for NATO and US. Quantity Matters

[@michelwan9073]

@@TP-ie3hj 36 for 9 Aircraft Carrier in project

[@sweatybotfn9982]

Bro I died😂😂 “it almost hit them, if that helps” and “god save the Qu…ing”

[@liamh9814]

Missile mass wins. The lesson from the Sherman tank needs to be remembered.

[@rossthomson1958]

“Lesson from the Sherman tank”don’t tell me you still believe that it took 5 Sherman to kill a tiger/panther.

[@333thelema5]

So did German won the ww2?

[@liamh9814]

@@rossthomson1958 what an asinine reply, anyone with any sense knows that the lessons of the Sherman concerned the US’s ability to rapidly industrialise, and concentrate on making good enough products rather than technically perfect products. Incremental improvements to the base platform over time to kept it lethal. It also highlighted the need for good crew training and sound application of military doctrine.

[@lanejohnson7656]

@@liamh9814Yet the US didn’t learn a F’n thing. With high taxes and insane regulations (along with help from the unions and a massive welfare state) they chased industry out of the country.. Not only that, but modern weapons are stupid tech heavy, the vast majority of them requiring components a rock skip away from China to function.. In a war with China good luck getting micro chips weapons and weapon systems require to function from factories that have been turned into rubble.. That’s how F’n brilliant the US government and military is..

[@mistyken]

since the YJ-21 fly so much faster than the YJ-18, would it make sense for them to fire the YJ-18 first then the 21 so that the 21 would catch up and come from the top around the same time as the 18 approach from ocean surface?

[@lukeallison3713]

Interesting to think that though the Type 45 will be fitted with 24 sea ceptors in the mushroom farm setup, it was originally ffbnw either 16 mk 41 strike length or 16 sylver a70 (its 48 current ones are a50), the 24 single cell sea ceptors are a budget option. Could have had 64 sea ceptors in a quadpack configuration. Although the best way of quadpacking sea ceptor is the exls that canada will use, which allows soft launch and is a lot smaller and less penetrative than mk 41. Wish that it was going to be used for type 26,

[@infidel1993]

12:16 In the immortal words of The Mighty Jingles, “If you throw enough shit at the wall, eventually some of it is going to stick.”

[@Raifboi]

Love these videos. The thing about watching these is I was CIWS operator on a Cruiser and we operated them from Local control which is about midships and from CIC which is more forward. Almost all of these missiles look like they would have hit the Local control station. Feels bad.

[@grimreapers]

Were the control rooms armored?

[@Raifboi]

@grimreapers Heya! Nope no armor. But couldn't have felt safer. Between the 2 vls , 2 5inch guns, 2 ciws, 2 25mm and some of the best sailors I've ever met we were in good hands.

[@j.4354]

⁠@@grimreapersUsually built within citadels to prevent exterior contamination (CBRN) or watertight integrity being compromised and allowing water to flood into the compartment however there’s usually multiple LCS’s dotted about.

[@d.thieud.1056]

That first hyperosonic missiles that only got intercepted last second would have dealt some real damage irl. The debris would still have hit that ship with a loooooot of pwoer. I dont lile seeing the chinese win but they woyld have done significant damage with that opening volley, one ship being disabled would have meant less interceptors, imafter that and it would cascaded into a humiliatings defeat from there

[@theymusthatetesla3186]

I'm starting to like the naval battles, better than the air battles!!

[@cassius_eu5970]

Yeah it's also much easier to follow what is happening in naval battles. Air battles are always quite chaotic, especially if Cap is flying a plane himself, since viewers can't really see what's going on in the battlefield.

[@toveychurchill6468]

type 55 is literally a cruiser, despite what the labelling would have you believe. VLS counts: Chinese: Type55: 112 , Type 52D:64, 176 total British: both Type 45 and 26 had 48 to start with, but are now waiting additional 24 cells upgrade, so realistically in between 96 to 144 total The Chinese have a clear advantage here to start with, which just isn't cricket

[@vader1a]

I was thinking I ve heard that you are getting upgraded to more cells. Which is good they are needed

[@bussolini6307]

the chinese have advantage in cells and in anti-ship missile quality.

[@deathdrone6988]

Well, until the Zumwalts are called 'obese destroyers' while weighing 3000 tons more, calling the type055 a 'large destroyer' is quite generous of them

[@Wthompson747]

In all of these simulations, the side with the most missiles seem to win. God is on the side with the biggest VLS count.

[@dexlab7539]

@@deathdrone6988Zumbwalts are a total mess - Massive cost overruns. Likely a dead program with limited ships

[@superflyguy4488]

Ive not watched this yet so commenting blind, but ive tried all the naval combinations with the two CH provided RN boats and when its 2 on two it always ends in a stalemate. all the boats have greater defensive capabilities than offensive ones. Interesting to see how this plays out though.

[@taiga1290]

China has no idea how to fight any naval battle, they have not participated in any modern warfare ever, they build things they have no idea how to operate, based on stolen technology. Hell, their new aircraft carrier is basically useless because they built it incorrectly. China is a joke when it comes to stuff like this

[@deathdrone6988]

*"the Type055 is incredibly expensive" Meanwhile the confused Chinese designer thinking less than half the price of an Arleigh Burke is supposed to be good...

[@tianyuanfan6039]

Chinese shipyards are just leading in the shipbuilding industry, so they can build more at a faster rate for a cheaper price, it is how it is

[@tren133]

Also "They are only making a few of them, Thank God" ... meanwhile 8 are already commissioned and another 8 possibly upgraded 055As are being built as we speak.

[@grimreapers]

^^ fair comment.

[@hughmungus2760]

@@tianyuanfan6039 If it were a strategy game, china would be considered overpowered.

[@Kalergiplansupporter]

I know this is an old comic but it is quite funny how you think just because something costs more it is intrinsically better.

[@Pimps-R-us]

Close in Naval Battles with guns is Best naval Battles ! Great video as always Cap

[@vlhc4642]

Type 45 is more comparable to China's Type 054B frigate, similiar displacement, similiar or the same number of VLS (and ignoring China's VLS are multipurpose and bigger than Slyver), and both have a pair of rotating AESA on top.

[@niweshlekhak9646]

Don't judge Type 45 by it's VLS cells, because it is reloadable at sea quickly, it doesn't need to come back to base or wait for axillary vessel to reload.

[@patriot0971]

In real life the missile salvos will timed and placed vastly different from this simulation.

[@ashscott6068]

Real life different to video game? NOOOO! You mean I won't really run faster when I'm holding a knife? I got expelled from school for nothing?

[@lanejohnson7656]

In real life superior weapons don’t out weight incompetent moron leadership.. Want proof? Google Vietnam, Korea, Iraq and Afghanistan..

[@dreadlord76]

There are 8 Type 055s already launched. Latest data shows another flight of n has begun construction.

[@dexlab7539]

Yup, NATO is in serious trouble - China is building ships at a Massive rate! That’s why US wants a war over Taiwan by 2025. They LOSE after that

[@ChrisZ901]

Yes 9th and 10th are being built out right now. Rumor says that PLAN plans to have a total of 16 of them

[@SpruceWood-NEG]

@@ChrisZ901 32

[@ChrisZ901]

@@SpruceWood-NEG evidence?

[@SpruceWood-NEG]

@@ChrisZ901 What kind of evidence is needed? The production is calculated as X1.2 times of the total number of US troops+Japanese warships. One 055 is worth 700 million US dollars, one 055A is worth 830 million US dollars, one 052DL is worth 400 million US dollars, and the latest 054B is worth 280 million US dollars (without military mobilization, an average of 4 055, 20 052DL, and 30 054B can be in service within 2 years). These warships are positioned as consumables for large-scale warfare, please do not overestimate them. Consumables are consumables, and 32 055 ships are far from enough.

[@lowisjiong6540]

The range of YJ21 is about 1000km,and the terminal speed of yj18 is about Mach 3,range is 600km,there's no chance for British

[@RESatellite]

cost for one Type 052D Destroyer: $505 million USD per ship cost for one Type 055 Destroyer: $866 million USD per ship cost for one Type 26 Frigate: $318 million USD per ship cost for one Type 45 Destroyer: $1.333 Billion USD per ship cost for one Arleigh Burke Destroyer: $1.843 Billion USD per ship Basically, China can trade two Type 055 for one arleigh burke class and still have some leftovers in terms of build price exchange it will be terrifying when China becomes the same size as the US and have the same amount of budget to play around with military toys, all their forces are concentrated near China cost vs the US navy that's scattered around the globe, with only US Pacific fleet can make it in time to defend Taiwan when a war breaks out. only 8 years to go before China takes over the US in terms of GDP.

[@hughmungus2760]

worse still for the pacific fleet. It will have to run the gauntlet of the entire chinese airforce with 200+ hypersonic armed antiship bombers and rocket force with 'many' land based antiship ballistic/cruise/hypersonic missiles, either of which are every bit as dangerous as the PLAN

[@yuny2023]

哈哈哈，明明055比伯克先进为什么要2换1？ 而且美国把全部海军派过来也救不了台湾，救台湾唯一的东西是他们中国人的身份，如果他们不要这个身份了，那就是解放军刷经验的时候啦。

[@leiyue1411]

It is ridiculous that a 30mm gun can intercept several missiles at speed of mach 3.

[@yingnyang2889]

You do realize that at 3200 fps, is about 2100 miles per hour … or Mach 3. Too bad you didn’t go to school and learn some math.

[@Kalergiplansupporter]

​@@yingnyang2889to bad the don't teach folks to convert fps into mach

[@yingnyang2889]

@@Kalergiplansupporterwell it makes sense…this generation can’t even figure what sex they are. Greatest Generation / Silent Generation: we stormed D-Day or Iwo Jima Boomers: Vietnam war Millennials: Afghanistan Current group: we chopped our D’ks off

[@keithwouldstay]

It's actually not - it has been done before.

[@feliciadennison4722]

"An officer with his sidearm". Lol. This is why you guys are great. Not just the simulations but the humor.

[@vlhc4642]

YJ-21 isn't even the latest missile, YJ-21 is based on DF-21 which was developed in the late 2000s, wave-glider ASMs based on DF-17, which is actually smaller than DF-21 is almost guaranteed to be in development if not already in service.

[@MrCedric123abc]

This is the first batch of 055s 8 of 24.. continuously improving ... good luck .Great Britannia 😅😅😅

[@mavor101]

For tests like this, you need to somehow program the destroyers/ships to have a Time on Target (TOT) synced up. Ships firing their missiles in a line like this allowing missile defenses to react as they come in one by one are tactics that were only used way back in the 60s and 70s. In reality, these ships would be arcing the trajectories of the hypersonic missiles to all come in at the same time, while the subsonic missiles would make small turns and changes in their flight plan to come in as a line abrest. The results you would get from using real life tactics vs dumb obsolete tactics from 70 years ago are going to be completely different. Honestly doing tests like this without the proper TOT planning is a waste of time.

[@mavor101]

@@rucker69 Would be a bit sad if that sort of AI can't be added. :(

[@sebastijanglozinic8630]

If the AI could conduct TOT strikes, the YJ-21s would obliterate all the enemy ships with the first salvo.

[@lmn6335]

@@sebastijanglozinic8630 That would be boring

[@vlhc4642]

I mean, it's not suppose to be realistic, if they went realistic YJ-21 would have been fired at 1,500 km range and Type 45 would have been sunk literally 24 hours of sailing away from NSM firing range.

[@mavor101]

@@vlhc4642 It is supposed to be realistic. They mention it multiple times in the video.

[@neoplan6116]

I think"It just looks French" when Cap is instant saying "It looks nothing!" 🤣🤣😂😂

[@richardsharpe6113]

The Type 055 has 112 VLS cells ... why did you run them with a reduced load out?

[@surefresh8412]

Where'd you get that from? 72 + 16 + 16 + 8 = 112

[@richardsharpe6113]

@@surefresh8412 The Type 055's ULS cells can be quad-packed with the FM3000N or its successors ... and I bet that in the real world they will do that for some of them.

[@hughmungus2760]

@@richardsharpe6113 the FM3000N would most likely only be used as a self defense missile so maybe 12-16 cells would get dedicated to them. Maybe more if the mission spec was more air defense focused rather than antiship warfare.

[@tianyuanfan6039]

good news for the Brits, China is constructing a new batch of 8 055's at least and there will be upgraded versions in the future, let alone the 052D's and 052DL's. good luck out there in the sea

[@WilkyTheFlyingScotsman]

yeah and what happens when they are all stuck in port damaged or at the bottom of the sea's? they going to send out the armed tugs to try sunk the NATO task forces

[@asn4556]

@@WilkyTheFlyingScotsman Like your gonna sneak up to Chinese ports and perform a pearl Harbor? How'd that end up for the Japanese last time. NATO is only strong because of the USA, you brits need to suck up that you no longer rule the waves no more and have to hide behind your American masters

[@duongle1606]

@@WilkyTheFlyingScotsman that is Russia. China actually have the money to make their ships work. We Vietnamese and Taiwanese can't even afford to treat those ships lightly.

[@tianyuanfan6039]

@@WilkyTheFlyingScotsman enlighten me on how you plan to sink them in ports

[@WilkyTheFlyingScotsman]

@@duongle1606 im aware of that fact, however when they have the might of a combines UK, French, Italian and US fleet with many other countries ships to fight they wouldn't stand a chance

[@OscarZheng50]

America actually classifies the type 055 destroyer as a cruiser because it is in the size range of cruisers

[@Stinger522]

This was a great and brutal battle. The next naval battle should be the PLAN flotilla against a Russian flotilla.

[@grimreapers]

rgr

[@tgsgardenmaintenance4627]

Apparently, China are building another 8 type 055's!😮

[@sebastijanglozinic8630]

Type 055As. Which are an improved version. Though i am not sure what exactly was changed. But yeah, China now has over 40% of the world total ship building capacity. Not even the Americans can keep up with them any more.

[@IetsgoBrandon]

Yes, so I wonder what kind of war they expect in the future. China owns such a powerful navy much more than defence purpose

[@trolleriffic]

Building ships like Britain used to! Rapid iterations in design to quickly develop and deploy new classes of warship in significant numbers. It's a good way of working if you can do it - each new generation is a worthwhile upgrade but doesn't try to be a revolutionary change so development is less likely to hit insurmountable hurdles and the rapid pace of their introduction means that capabilities are massively improved over fairly short timescales.

[@trolleriffic]

@@sebastijanglozinic8630 A few years ago I had a fascinating conversation with a guy from the Royal Navy and he mentioned that one of their guys had gone over to China on an official visit and was taken to see one of the big shipyards that caters to both civilian and military work (I think it was Dalian) - he counted 42 surface combatants under construction just in that one yard! The production capacity is insane even compared to the massive yards in Korea.

[@yuny2023]

@@sebastijanglozinic8630只是换了电磁炮和激光武器，其他没什么改变，同时出现的应该还有057型，不过中国人民对这些兴趣不大，只在乎以自己省命名的航空母舰什么时候造好。

[@prastagus3]

Seems quantity of missiles still matters over quality if there is not much of a generational gap

[@Rednax42]

The result is probably predictable, given the mismatch in raw numbers of missiles: RN: 240 SAM, 64 ASM CN: 320 SAM, 80 ASM

[@Rednax42]

I have a potential solution: Scrap Spear5 completely. Instead load Type 26 Mk41 VLS with a 50/50 mix of quad-packed CAMM and Spear 3. Giving 48 of each per hull. Overall RN missile numbers would then be RN: 336 SAM, 112 ASM Spear3 has a small warhead (my guess is similar to Brimstone/Hellfire), so its role would mainly be to deplete SAMs to help the 8 NSMs get through. Adjusting relative positions of T45 &T26 to achieve ToT might help. (VLS version of Spear 3 is speculative, but I've seen it mentioned)

[@Chickenworm9394]

In real combat, the RN couldn't even aim because there's no way Chinese vessels would be within 100 miles of the RN's

[@Fu-2-Dai]

UK please get out of pacific, we Taiwannese doesn't want have war with CCP, but US and UK try to let Taiwan becoming Ukraine. Very terrible idea. Taiwan people don't have any hate with Mainland China people. Actually, without Western, we can have peace life with Mainland China.

[@Chickenworm9394]

The politicians have their pockets lined up with the military industrial complex

[@idawald]

The NSM has a range of 160 kilometers, and the YJ-18 and 21 have a range of more than 280 kilometers, so if the distance between the two sides is 250 kilometers at the beginning. Then before the British could open fire, they were probably all sunk.

[@Rednax42]

I think RN might have done better if only one type of "Spear5" was used so that they all arrived at the same time on target. Probably the cruise version as that seemed to get closer and would arrive similar time to NSM. Adjusting relative positions of T45 and T26 to achieve closer timing if possible

[@鲍鱼-d2e]

Why is there such a professional military fan channel on KZbin? It is much more professional than the military channel in traditional Chinese.

[@davidturner7812]

Missile looks like a flying aircraft carrier lol.

[@timnope3384]

CH is my fav person you have on here

[@tinbadger8097]

A day of infamy by jingo! Awesome video, CH is a genius.

[@eymeeraosaka2954]

Did I hear the Spear 5 missiles will only be in service in 2030? In that case what kind of comparison are you making when the Chinese YJ21 and YJ18 are already operational?

[@joshuasenior4370]

It’s just a bit of fun

[@Chickenworm9394]

DCS has been so busy making this sea battle watchable

[@kenhelmers2603]

Luv CH's new stuff!

[@quanohong572]

bias game : alway favor stealth stuff , you make a missile code it with : "can't be seen by anything , can't be lock by anything " . you win the game , if anyone say anything you can just throw this out : it stealth baby , you can't shoot the thing you can't see

[@tomlarocque4720]

The Type 26 has a third silo now where the hangars would be....bringing the missile count to 104

[@anthonyb5279]

You need combined arms to beat that thing or more ships. Call the USAF!

[@MostlyPennyCat]

I'm excited to see if FCASW has it's 50kg Independent submunitions modeled! 🤤

[@surters]

There seem to be something wrong with our battlecruisers today!!!

[@grimreapers]

Classic

[@enoy645]

10:58 its because when the Spear-5 is launched vertically, the Type 055/052D radar can get a targeting solution, but since the missiles go down to 18ft above the ground - they lose that solution and the missiles go dumb

[@saintuk70]

CH is a modding beast

[@alexorr2322]

I know it’s not gonna be 100% accurate but it’s kinda worrying that present day Chinese Ships massively outmatch RN ships/capabilities still a decade away.

[@Stinger522]

The biggest threat to the RN is the British penny pinchers.

[@carwyngriffiths]

In DCS, its not even comparable to real life. DO not for a second take this as a serious comparison to real life....

[@dexlab7539]

Bigger problem is that China builds 3-4x as many ships as US or Europe. No way to beat that

[@comareborn8734]

@@carwyngriffiths yep, irl the YJ-21s wouldn't be intercepted that easily.

[@rs-dp6pr]

British navy is the second or third rate.. just accept it.. US China, Japan, maybe Korea, then we have British, French..

[@Archer89201]

Those two point blank interceptions should mission kill all the radars and sensors , the shrapnel from Mach 10 missiles detonating at 100 ft would shred the ship

[@stevewhan7308]

Interesting. I didn’t notice any effects of soft kill measures, chaff or decoys. Great graphics!

[@MrDJAK777]

Yeah get used to that and no f35s/AWACS cueing, offensively bad EW simulations. dcs is limited even more than we are.

[@11Tits]

dcs doesnt simulate those which is why its so limiting.

[@AngelAngel-pc5mc]

i cant to wait to see the PLAN NEW frigate 054B, vs the US constellation.frigate

[@qiangzhu4465]

i want to konw is there existed a Missile That can interrupt mach 10 yj21 with nearly 90% Interruption successfully rate？

[@dougmuti3850]

Great vid Cap! Looking for a video that could show the power of F-35 hive mind via Link16. For example, 2 F-35s traveling in stealth ahead of a handful of F-15/F-18 missile trucks that share the F-35s radar via Link16 vs a Russian air wing with 2 Felons with equal amount of gen 4 missile trucks. I'm guessing you would need to use AWACS to simulate Link16??

[@captives6479]

Make a sim battle from the Opium Wars era, so that the Brits can win against the Chinese.

[@cyrusjalali1571]

I don't understand why the UK is spending money on CAMM. Makes no sense when they have access to ESSM which can be quad packed into mark 41 VLS cells. As I understand it ESSM doesn't need to be networked with AEGIS as the Zumwalt class has shown. The type 26 has 24 mark 41 cells which can give up to 96 ESSMs. We seen that ESSM can knock down the YJ 18 and 21s pretty well. What do you guys think? Also when is CH going to model in the Zumwalt? 😃

[@MaxIsStrange1]

Man, Zumwalt would be really nice to have! I wonder how these types of battles would go against stealthy ships on one side.

[@ΠαναγιώτηςΔημητρακοπουλος-ε9ζ]

One reason might be that Camm is fire and forget,carries active radar and searches for the target itself.Essm as semi active radar,needs a stir slave unit to "illuminate" the target constantly and there is a limit in how many missiles you can guide with 1 stir unit. USN started developing the essm block 2 with active radar homing recognizing that the future belongs to active radar sams.

[@carwyngriffiths]

CAMM is a incredibly effective system, the most up to date in its weight class.

[@trolleriffic]

@@MaxIsStrange1 Zumwalt would bankrupt the Royal Navy.

[@trolleriffic]

The UK buys CAMM for the same reason that the US buys things like ESSM and SM-6 - because it's a highly capable home-grown weapon that integrates perfectly with the ship's onboard sensors and weapon control systems.

[@andrewmason9137]

I am really looking forward to the Canadian Type 26; SPY 7 with Aegis and Lockheed's Combat Management System, a bit longer, torpedoes, NSMs, SM series missiles (SM2 for now), Tomahawks, ESSMs, seaceptors. The things seem to be pretty stout for a "frigate".

[@jakeordentlich4977]

so does the US new one, constellation? The one based on the Freem frigate of France and Italy, I did some back of the notebook math whilst bored in class, it can theoretically carry three times its vls load, and the navy seems to be considering an upgrade to increase from the initial 32 VLS cells.

[@gups4963]

@@jakeordentlich4977 They were also talking about using larger cells (can't recall the name), for future hypersonic weapons

[@jakeordentlich4977]

@@gups4963 my point was the room for expansion and usage of a normal Vls system (modular)

[@sulyokpeter3941]

It is actually a destroyer, but for some reason it is called frigate. :)

[@jakeordentlich4977]

@@sulyokpeter3941 because the us has a destroyer

[@EthanX1ao]

The mushroom farm is the ugliest thing ever created in the history of human weaponry😭😭

[@ozsharpener]

LOL in reality YJ-18 will get the subsonic carrier release the supersonic missile when approaching the target within 30-40 km which allows the homing sensor to capture the target above horizon. The supersonic missile will then start sprinting in Mach 4 with its rocket engine until it hits the target.

[@entofw2650]

can just take into account that the 055 has more than twice the tonnage of a type 45? the brits were outclassed here not necessarily because of technology, but because they were punching well above their weight class;

[@vlhc4642]

Oh they were very much out-classed by technology, infact Type 45 was only able fire any missiles at all because YJ-21's 1,500 km range was ignored. In real life it'll literally be the same as bring a knife to a gun fight and Type 055 would be able to kite Type 45 using it's superior range forever.

[@entofw2650]

@@vlhc4642 true, but there's no point wasting a heavy asset like a YJ-21 on a frigate or a destroyer when they could just as easily level a carrier with a couple of 21's.

[@niweshlekhak9646]

@@vlhc4642 you forget longer the range, quicker the Type 45 will be able to detect and intercept it.

[@vlhc4642]

​@@niweshlekhak9646 So it must be even easier for Type 45 to intercept ICBMs right?

[@niweshlekhak9646]

@@vlhc4642 yes, ICBMs can easily be intercepted, why do you think countries are focusing on hypersonic nukes and nuclear bombers.

[@iamscoutstfu]

To achieve "Leakage" y'all need to find a way to do a Time on Target (ToT) attack. You've got to teach the AI to stagger its missile firing time such that the missiles arrive at the same time. This is how an actual naval engagement is likely to be prosecuted.

[@MrCedric123abc]

Be realistic, really type 45 vs 055 ...have some credibility 055 would have wiped it out ...yj21s could destroy a American aircraft carrier but barely beat a type 45 ... credibility credibility..? ? or is this just wishful thinking stale mate my arse

[@trevorday7923]

Aaaaaaaand of course the Chinese ships all have that 11-barrelled CIWS from Hell..... 😖

[@johnarrow3354]

ls there any modelling for soft kill. Does soft kill work against hypersonic missiles?

[@mmccarthy9458]

Great engagement. PrC is still a little afraid of England because of RN's naval heritage. China just doesn't have that kind of experience and tradition. Its not talked about much but Germans made mistakes during exercise Rhein setting up Bismarck to be disabled and alone.

[@RegimentalVideos]

Well. We're screwed

[@CN_MightyDragon]

Bad news: 4 more 055 upgraded version are under construction. Good news: The Royal Navy doesn't have the balls to risk their the entire destroyer fleet(only 6 Type45😂)

[@群群-e4f]

哈哈哈，上面一个英国人认知有限，吹联合西方国家怼到中国家门口，他也不用自己的屁股想想，中国的成千上万的陆基导弹是吃干饭的？

[@RegimentalVideos]

Can you take on the entire planet though.

[@CN_MightyDragon]

@@RegimentalVideos What makes you think the planet is on your side to destroy its global factory and second large economy? Clearly you don't understand capitalism.

[@XkMeng]

054A ： am I a joke to u？

[@billrock6734]

Looks like the RN just got junked.

[@wowmedialtd]

I've documented all of the UK ships being made so this was v.enjoyable. What game engine are you using? Nice bow wakes!

[@lukehinch3441]

the game they use is dcs i believe but on custom servers

[@OscarZheng50]

china is intercepting each SPEAR 5 with 4 missiles, that is going to drain their missiles really quickly so if the British ships can carry enough spears, they could drain china of their missiles. Its probably because the spears are harder to intercept or bad communication on the Chinese part

[@dexlab7539]

British ships are simply smaller than Type 55. No way to match the fire power. China will win this everytime

[@hughmungus2760]

2030s missile, its going to be harder to stop just because of how modern it is.

[@OscarZheng50]

@@hughmungus2760 if its a 2030s missile then its beyond modern, futuristic

[@jmtpolitico80]

Ya I don't know Cap I don't think the Brit's are going to have enough defense cause of the bad kill ratio on the Hypersonics.

[@m1t2a1]

You just need one hundred and something per cent anti ship missiles vs the number of enemy anti air defence.

[@fanjiaqi2840]

上什么鹰击21，对付这几条舰，用鹰击18绰绰有余了，末端超音速突防它们根本拦不住

[@jasonshen7600]

Everytime it's a chinese vs british vid type 055: HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO TEACH YOU THIS OLD MAN?

[@11Tits]

what teach them that DCS doesnt simulate soft kill systems on boats nor does it simulate defence missiles at all well. Nor does it simulate anti ship missiles well. Do you really think they would send all their anti ship missiles in one line? no. Do you think they would enguage so late... no. do you really think a sea ceptor would loft so hard on a balistic missile? no it wouldnt. on other missiles they shouldnt be getting close due to GPS and other forms of soft kill counters to said missiles. and do you really sit there and think oh ofc they would waste 3 missiles per target? the answer is no. Its one missile and then a second launch of the first missile is predicted to miss.

[@jmtpolitico80]

Ya I didn't think it was going to make it... Sorry bud! I am always rooting for the British, Americans of course, and basically any Nato country!

[@dollgoo-jx8fv]

11/10000 There are still many things you can't imagine

[@craigkdillon]

I don't understand. Isn't ECM and ECCM used? If so, why are they not effective?? Can't seekers of either the attacking or defending missiles be jammed or fooled?? Also, aren't drones being made that will give readings of phantom missiles to get the enemy to waste its missiles?

[@surefresh8412]

Naval EW in DCS is nonexistent

[@niweshlekhak9646]

@@surefresh8412 lmao EW is present in any kind of modern warfare.

[@wcam7822]

Canada is scheduled to get Type 26 in the future.

[@grimreapers]

I think you guys are going to run different missiles to UK.