2025 UK Carrier Group vs 2025 US Carrier Group (Naval Battle 98) | DCS

[@grimreapers]

SORRY about the little sounds glitches. I am trying a new video editor and not getting on with it...

[@kuhnville3145]

Also the Go Brandon thing (16:34) is from when a news reporter was interviewing a guy at NASCAR or something and the entire crowd was chanting “Fuck Joe Biden” but the reporter misheard it as “Lets Go Brandon”

[@watcheater9229]

@@kuhnville3145 its a popular phrase with stupid people

[@kuhnville3145]

@@watcheater9229 it's an unpopular phrase with even more idiotic people. Let's keep politics out of it, all i did was tell him what it meant a year ago lmao

[@watcheater9229]

@@kuhnville3145 the 'even more idiotic people' are the majority lmao

[@henrymann8122]

May the US and the UK remain friends always! Thanks!

[@TheRyno525]

I 2nd that.

[@nathansellars3757]

wish sleepy joe thought the same

[@onetime8424]

That was close! Now I’d love to see the UK and US take on China and Russia! Awesome show Cap and a big thank you to the boys!

[@desole784]

he alreadt did that

[@Americaisgreat12]

​@@desole784yep he did I watched it multiple times

[@FunnyQuailMan]

Again, you mean. UK & US vs. CN & RU again, which would be cool. The last UK&USvCN&RU video has probably been my favorite of the GR naval battle format so far, so I'd certainly enjoy watching that rematch. Ooo, a "2028" or "2030" version! Ooo, that'd be fun!

[@Stinger522]

That has been done multiple times and we already know who's going to win. So what's the point?

[@hughmungus2760]

2030s china CBGs will probably have J35s and GJ11s which would finally make it a fair fight

[@cuz129]

As usual, an amazing production. Thanks for the tremendous amount of work you and the whole team does to inform and entertain your valued viewers! It is well appreciated.

[@grimreapers]

aww shucks... :)

[@Dukky1968]

This may have been noted already, but in a stealth v stealth A2A battle it seems that IR missiles are far more effective at the expected (close) engagement ranges. Would love to see this re-run with A2A loadouts of just AIM-9X and ASRAAM. Oh, and guns too 🙂

[@jonathanpfeffer3716]

According to what? 5th generation fighters have really small IR frontal cross-sections as well.

[@watcherzero5256]

HMS Defender has just gone in for a three year midlife refit this week, when she emerges she will be the first Type 45 with the 24 extra Sea Viper silos and of course they are all this year having their Harpoons swapped out for Naval Strike Missile.

[@LondonSteveLee]

I wonder if they'll fit DS30 - only Duncan has that at the moment. It's not a swapout with NSM - the Harpoons have already gone (Given to Ukraine) - and I don't believe they will be adding any more Sea Viper silos - just adding Sea Ceptor.

[@dogsnads5634]

@@LondonSteveLee You are correct. It is Sea Ceptor silos, not additional Sylver VLS for Aster, which is being added. It 'might' include CAMM AND CAMM-ER.....plus all the Aster 15 will be re-lifed to Aster 30 (by swapping to the larger booster) which will effectively double the amount of long range missiles, with Aster 15's role taken by CAMM (and possible CAMM-ER). As for DS30M....there were a number purchased and delivered by MSI specifically for QE and PoW which have never been fitted....6 at least are in storage, thats 3 full ship sets.

[@LondonSteveLee]

@@dogsnads5634 Depending on when (if) ASTER 30 NT arrives I suspect will with have a split of those types giving us some anti-ballistic missile capability. DS30 has actually got MUCH better chance of hitting incoming cruise missiles and planes than pointless phalanx - actually we should have picked the Rheinmetall Millennium gun to replace Phalanx and DS30 but I guess some of these (particularly Phalanx) will be stock already carried by the Royal Navy.

[@matthewellisor5835]

Your Meatier may be Mighteor today but, just the same, we can send you to the bottom or limping back home like that last few times. Brotherly rivalries aside, these unlikely "what-ifs" are great fun. Thank you! to all involved.

[@Jeffrey.1978]

@Grimreapers - Good stuff Cap! Since you did a Blue on Blue scenario, you should try having a couple of C-17's drop loads of LRASMs against a U.S. CSG just to see if they are able to detect and engage them any better than the UK CSG was able to. Looking forward to seeing a UK vs China CSG battle as well.

[@localracer]

33:05 “Simba with a brake check!” Great sports commentary!

[@willwozniak2826]

Thanks for putting out these naval carrier naval battles guys....i havent been able to sleep from agonizing back pain constant and im not a fan of pills...just had to accept the fact i retired from playing drums for 37 years for stress relief purposes...not to make millions of dollars...this is gonna be tough!...Stay safe mates.

[@jimreynolds2837]

You always underestimate the Super Hornet but it wins so many of these simulations.

[@Rellana1]

We have Super Hornets as part of our Airforce here in Australia while we wait for the f-35 to arrive in enough numbers to phase them out. A most excellent aircraft.

[@JYF921]

Nonono if this happens the US president will press red button and all English F35Bs will self destruct

[@gregbarnes4083]

Nonono if this happens UK King will press red button and all Americans with English blood will self destruct

[@MrMrmoore2013]

Yup

[@williammacrae6119]

Englands not got any f35 planes

[@gregbarnes4083]

@@williammacrae6119 A 3 second Google search will tell you that's not true

[@williammacrae6119]

@@gregbarnes4083 england has 0 aircraft

[@watcherzero5256]

Just started watching, waiting for the moment Cap realises hes set them to dogfight but not given the F-35B a gun pod...

[@Sardaukar240888]

About 13:05 hahaha

[@grimreapers]

they all had gunpods but just not visible on the GR version of planes.

[@dexlab7539]

Actually it happens in GR videos quite often…welcome to GR friend, it’s so fun!! 😊

[@LondonSteveLee]

Well he gave the "Brits" F-35As for starters - which according to him won't make much difference - perhaps not in badly modelled DCS world - but in real life you're giving away 2Gs worth of turn performance with even fatter Ami and a fair chunk of fuel range.

[@watcherzero5256]

@@LondonSteveLee F-35C has the 7.5G limit same as the F-35B, the F-18 and the F-16 when carrying air to ground ordnance. Limit of carrier aircraft design, heavier planes higher structural loads.

[@Maverick0451]

What a fun one!! To see two equally super stealthy squadrons head-to-head at the beginning like that was something else!! Normally you see these guys at standoff range lobbing long shots then turning cold, but they got all mixed up like scrambled eggs!! Top moments for me personally were when Simba went all ninja Benedict Arnold and took out the American AWACS, and when Wombat took guns hits from Brandon, but managed to survive and then get behind and get a kill with an AIM-9!! Great flying as always Grim Reapers!!

[@Jeffrey.1978]

@Grimreapers - 26:40 - In real life they woud keep some of the F-35's back and deploy them with groups of F/A-18's. They would be used to guide the AA missiles from the F/A-18's to additional targets of interest. This keeps the F/A-18's from being targeted as easily because they don't need to fly as far to release their missiles. F/A-18's could be launched first (in essence) if they are accompanied by a couple of F-35's.

[@takaharatanaka8818]

Of course, just like when engaging the Chinks the US missiles work for shit while the adversaries work that much the better. That bullshit gets old. It is utter horseshit and it happens over and over and over again. GR claims to programme everything equally but I don't see it. I may be a mere retired rotary wing aviator but this I can say, US tech actually works while the Russkie, Chink and other (non-Israeli) shit is suspect at best.

[@telnx]

33:33 A large part of the F35 is made in England by BAE Systems, then shipped to the USA :-)

[@adamchalmers8378]

can u do a swarm speed boat attack vs a British carrier group with wildcat helicopters that carry 20 martlet missiles each. also sea ceptor can be used to attack surface targets

[@CaptainSpacedOut]

I'd say blue 5th weren't using their sidewinders as they should in close range as often as reds where which caused the kill deficit. Meanwhile the blue 4th gen were pumping the sidewinders out, which pushed the reds back a lot.

[@bigfootproductions749]

such a good grudge match! really enjoyed this

[@bushweasel]

Another fantastic video! Cap, always appreciation the narration and subtle humor.

[@thestrodelife]

Love watching this kind of videos it takes my time off of work, have you done a French carrier group versus British carrier group? I would like to see one.

[@totalnerd5674]

They've already done that one, and as much as I like the French they stood no chance against the F-35Bs

[@5Andysalive]

Carry On, Carrier. With Kenneth Williams as Maverick.

[@wolfgangamadeus1246]

Cap … no … no … having the British fight Americans in 2023 is against all of the laws of man and nature! Seriously though, people know that the British military and the American military cooperate with one another but they might be surprised just how close that cooperation can be. In the 1980’s I worked at Edwards AFB. At that time the F-15 was America’s (and the World’s) premier fighter. At Edwards there were several F-15 test-bed aircraft for testing advanced new technology. I saw a British RAF Group Captain climb into one of these highly sensitive F-15’s, taxi out to the runway, take off, and disappear into the wild blue yonder. There were no escort aircraft of any kind that I could see. I wager that there were very few other pilots of other air forces besides the RAF that would have been entrusted to fly that test-bed aircraft back then, let alone fly it without an escort.

[@draigygoch]

We don't have only 4 destroyers, we have six, however since inception there's always been one in long term refit for engine issues. There are six on paper, cut short to begin development of the T26. Refir T45's will have more ASTER 30 in lieu of ASTER 15, which the newly added SEA CEPTOR will replace.

[@joshuafelder2701]

"I've found a way to keep the aircraft carriers from jamming up" *hits like button*

[@solomongray6352]

I predict a stealth victory and a stealth defeat. It's inevitable.

[@kidskluth2981]

Probably a bug with the JTAMS CAP. Could you follow up about htis or check/ run tests about this. I would greatly appreciate this.

[@richardk5246]

That was a great one, loved it, thank you.

[@Xobloot-qf2mj]

It's funny to hear Caps true colors fly for his home team.

[@choctaw2sticks193]

jolly good show you guys, thank ya so much. keep-um coming . . .

[@tanewoodley9806]

Brilliant work as always, and I really hope you're doing OK.

[@clangerbasher]

Placing CIWS aft gives greater arcs. It is the logical place for anti-air weapons. Consider the Bristol against T42.

[@johngodden4363]

I’d like to see a combined UK / Australia Carrier fleet up against the seventh fleet. This time please properly arm the Hobart class AWDs. The Australians do have LRASMs which could conceivably tip the balance

[@nuclearwinter1984]

Love seeing the underwater capabilities of the F-35 at 51:49, a testament to its advanced engineering!

[@evanhunt1863]

29:02 Loses tailfin. Keeps flying. What a champ.

[@forzaelite1248]

The F-35 can carry external IR missiles and still maintain a relatively stealth profile; the guys from Aircraft 101 I think said it ups the RCS to just about where it was on the older RCS model of 0.005m2. Afaik USAF, RAAF, and maybe RNAF can be spotted fairly often carrying the external racks at least so it seems to be a regular config

[@kermittoad]

Yeah heard that tooo

[@wind_runner6836]

This was another fun one to watch!

[@moshmeary51]

Cap, you’re the best. Hope GR Baby is doing well and the rest of family. I officially identify as a Valued Viewerton, you should open with that more often. HELLO VALUED VIEWERTONS

[@grimreapers]

Thanks Viewerton!

[@Anarchy_420]

51:44 lmao those new British Submersible F-35's!😆👍 5:30 ive always preferred this way lol fight to the death! Lol so tired of people complaining about how its not realistic! Hb whats fun and entertaining! Good call Cap! Please apply this attitude more often, not saying go crazy with it bc a level of realism is important for Wargames in a sim however i think a good balance is most important ;) 55:17 a wall off Helicopters just hovering in wait??

[@Anarchy_420]

A good balance of fun and entertainment with a level of realism! Pretty much sums it up lol and coincidentally you guys already seemingly* have that mentality😁✌

[@Anarchy_420]

19:11 Lmao I kno I was just talking about ppl complaining about realism... I believe The JATM would have a more advanced seeker head and less likely to drop lock compared* to The Meteor, considering its meant to destroy 5th and even 6th gen fighters... definitely a missile problem😅 I still absolutely dropped The Like👍 This was great!👍👍

[@Hutchkins77]

I would like to see the ships close enough to also engage in battle. Thanks again Grim Reapers.😃

[@Jeffrey.1978]

Ships in real life would not even be this close in formation during a battle. You don't want all the CSG ships bunched together right next to the carrier, it makes them easier to target and employ weapons against if you do that. On another note, that would be an adversary's dream come true for submarine warfare as well.

[@superflyguy4488]

Ive tried it, both sides cancel each other out if purely missles, if gunds come in then the UK ships tend to be more accurate.

[@stekra3159]

Thank you all love this

[@howardstaple1043]

We have 6 type 45's Cap, not 4. Whether we have 2 serviceable at any one time is a different question. As others have pointed out, we have at least one in mid life refit and they have all just been through intercooler/power upgrades. Pretty sure there were 5 alongside at Portsmouth last week but will check again later

[@WilkyTheFlyingScotsman]

theres 2 in refit and 4 in service that arent

[@Iamabot4708]

If only the british empire could see themselves now

[@missingdogmusic]

With these JTAM seeker issues it amazes me that they won't have a hybrid IR/EO system fitted to assist in guidance when fired against stealth targets.

[@odinisgod4577]

yes you did my video request THANK YOU

[@grimreapers]

Yup

[@_Addi_]

Hey Cap, I think itwould be really interesting if you could somehow add AIAMD capabilities for the USA, into the game. Habitual Linecrosser just recently did a pretty interesting video on it and I think it would add a very interesting dynamic to battles with this future US tech.

[@romain5967]

What is AIAMD?

[@_Addi_]

@@romain5967 Its like data link on crack, but its universal across all launch platforms (air defense, ships, jets, helicopters). It can use any target acquisition system connected to it, to send targeting data to the launch platform with the highest PK (Probability of kill). Thus allowing systems that may have the highest PK, but cant see the target itself, to launch on it with targeting data collected from a completely different system.

[@colbunkmust]

no way for DCS to know how to accurately simulate it since the architecture is classified.

[@_Addi_]

@@colbunkmust If you have a general idea of what the system does, then you can model that in game. The full extent of capabilities is classified, but thats the case for almost everything modern in the game. You dont need the exact architecture to get a general gist of what its supposed to do.

[@colbunkmust]

@@_Addi_ but a "general idea" isn't going to give you a good simulation of what AIAMD is or how well it works. It's the same issue with simulating the concepts relating to missile priority targeting and re-targeting. The concept is very simple in theory, but without a deeper understanding of the system's workings and the associated research that probably costs billions of dollars to conduct, you can't really get it to work on an open platform like DCS.

[@joshuasenior4370]

Cap said we have 4 destroyers, we actually have 6. Still, mustering 4 in one place would be extremely unlikely. When we operate CSG’s we tend to do so with other nations. As we have done in the past such as 1 type 45, 1 type 23, 1 astute sub, 1 US Arleigh burke and a dutch frigate. Also a couple of RFA ships.

[@chrisparnham]

According to the Royal Navy and the Ministry of Defence we have 6 Type 45 Destroyers, not 4. So whose right?

[@steve-iw2bg]

We have 6, Daring Duncan Dragon Defender Dauntless Diamond

[@grimreapers]

WE have six correct.

[@Gravity.357]

The reason “lets go Brandon” is popular is from when Joe Biden was campaigning to be president. The crowd chanted “f**k Joe Biden”. He thought the were saying let’s go Brandon instead, and chanted with them. It was hilarious, yet sad at the same time.

[@LondonSteveLee]

Completely wrong - the meme originated at a NASCAR (or Indy?) event - there was a driver being interviewed live who had dropped out the race - he was called Brandon. The reporter trying to hide the embarrassment of the crowd screaming "f. Joe Biden" said "The crowd are behind you - they are chanting Let's Go Brandon".

[@wrayday7149]

Possible Issue: I think the UK AWAC's are too far back. The UK F-35's had the upper had in the initial scrum circle but when they started to press/fire beyond it towards the U.S. fleet the missiles lost data link.

[@LondonSteveLee]

You wouldn't need AWACS - or the F-35Bs given the attacking F-35s were coming in at 47,000 feet! At that altitude the Type 45s would track them easily at 230+ miles - and the dogfighting was all done at about 90 miles - within the range of ASTER 30. The so-called modelling in DCS is atrocious.

[@ry4n813]

Is there an advantage to goining all fox 2's in stealth vs stealth rather than the meteor and amraam??

[@grimreapers]

Possible.

[@offensivebias1898]

1814 we took a little trip, we hucked LRASMs at the QE and she did indeed take some hits.

[@catcherjk5597]

IDK if its true but looking at the video is looks like the aim-260 doesnt turn in its boosterfase. If its true that could exsplain why they miss as by the time the can turn the missile is out of evelope

[@gunzelloharris3348]

Nice Vid goes well with my Koffay!!! LOL ;)

[@tommallory4841]

All i know is the uk definitely has the best looking navy just wish we had more of them

[@dexlab7539]

Navy is all about looks 😂. Can’t get chics without it!

[@tommallory4841]

@@dexlab7539 he girl, you seen my boat 😂

[@jager6863]

Yup, In reality the Brits would have zero chance. As it stands today, the new Royal Navy Carriers can't operate alone in a contested environment because they can't carry E2D AWACS and their sortie rate and launch weight are too small. Plus lack of air refueling capability means they don't have the strike range of a US Carrier. The RN would have been better off with one Ford Class carrier, instead of two ski jump carriers.

[@LondonSteveLee]

Merlin HM2 with Crowsnest is at least as good as a 2000s-era full on AWACS plane. Only the QEs have them though as the pathetic RN could only afford five!

[@Iamabot4708]

​@@LondonSteveLeeI agree, the crow's nest. A wax is comparable to American a wax. But it's not anywhere near on the same level.

[@codyperry6021]

You should do a follow-up of the British carrier trying to get hime and being intercepted and attacked by another US carrier group.

[@mdb831]

This will be no contest.

[@iangandon922]

really enjoyable vid right up to the point where the AI just decided to ignore the super hornets! maybe try running it with more humans and less AI.

[@viaticchart3139]

1: amazing video 2: i am American and thus biased 3: US ai were holding their AIM-9x until after their JTAMs hence the british dominance early on. having twice as many heatseekers should've been a boon as seen by the US humanoids 4: the Americans should've had one humanoid go after the AWACS because the brits were the only ones that ever would've benefitted from it, hitting the US AWACS was a mostly moot point 5: the rapid respawns to take out LRASMs didnt change anything but were silly 6: as stated if the brits have a full compliment of F-35s then the US should at least be 36-36 F-35/F-18

[@SuperRavens99]

F35C does have a gun if I'm not mistaken it's the F35b that has the gun pod

[@arpioisme]

How could this happen you ask? One day in a joint naval exercise, the US Navy threw bags of tea into the sea

[@Yata69]

Yes, the tea sure did cause an issue to be sure! 😊

[@LegitimateCK4120]

Watching this as a brit... I'm just glad we'll never have to go up against stealths apart from the Chinese (maybe) and the SU-57 (not as stealthy, allegedly) Great fight though, seen a few say it but would the British and USA not go full IR missiles in a stealth v stealth fight? Or do they think the short range capabilities of the fox-3s as well as the potential threat of 4th Gens to be worth keeping them?

[@NikumbaUK]

In terms of datalinks if the F35 are following the LRASM's and have a radar lock, can they hand that lock back to surface ships to intercept with SAMS?

[@grimreapers]

Maybe in real life, not modelled in game.

[@NikumbaUK]

@@grimreapers Fair do's, do you think something like that would ever come to the game?

[@seangfoster1974]

Good thing we are both on the same side.

[@chrisvinicombe9947]

Good battle , not suprised at the result.

[@WenisTRON]

To be fair… I hate seeing us go against our British brothers. Great video.

[@danhodson7187]

Likewise the other way my friend. Our Carrier groups are perfectly made to complement each other. 🇬🇧🇺🇸💪

[@redblueyankee8343]

Only American seeing British as a brother. The British don't think like that

[@Iamabot4708]

​@@redblueyankee8343Don't worry, the majority of Americans do not see the brits. As this comment put us, we see you guys as exactly what you are. Partners with similar interest as us. Not brothers or cousins

[@crypticgaming9618]

The only thing I would say is the Qe carrier can hold up to around 54 f35 aswell as 4-6 helicopters at absolute maximum, so really in a war if it’s like this we would have 48-54 f35 as we would. Only deploy one carrier in this situation so we can deploy as many as possibly, some sources say we can have 70 aircraft but we can’t 60 aircraft at absolute maximum.

[@LondonSteveLee]

Cap: "we've only got four destroyers" - we have six.

[@Iamabot4708]

You may have 6. But I highly doubt a country that's not even willing to spend enough money. To create a destroyers with enough VLS. Cells gonna have 6 working ships at 1 time.

[@jackgalla530]

I don’t believe it’s possible for short range missiles (9x, asraam) to be carried internally by any of the F-35 models, only on the wing tips.

[@92HazelMocha]

It's not. Additionally the UK F35's won't have meteor until at least 2027 and US F35's will never carry aim260.

[@jackgalla530]

@@92HazelMocha Why do you say that about the AIM-260? I believe it is being developed to have the same form/size profile so as to fit into existing internal weapons bays such as the F-22/35

[@LondonSteveLee]

@@92HazelMocha Indeed, with the current cuts to support Ukraine it might be 2030 before we can afford to upgrade to block 4 (required for Meteor) - assuming the trimmed fin version even works! The British forces are a run-down joke.

[@b4ttlec0w30]

Simba really is an airborne ninja 😂

[@simba1113]

like a ninja Spyder monkey

[@SonB288]

How have you modelled the surge sortie rates of the Nimitz vs the QE class? It's my understanding (from a friend who worked on the QEs at BAES, and from a USN lecture on the Ford class design studies available on YT) that the QE can physically launch deck parked F-35Bs at the same speed or slightly faster than a Nimitz if it had to. Transfer from hangar to deck is slower, and where the Nimitz really shows its superiority in size and crew is the over 2x surge sortie rate in 24 hours. The Ford is even more impressive.

[@LondonSteveLee]

And the highly automated QE will have something break - as the catapult/arrester on the Ford probably would too - Nimitz for the win in actual combat conditions!

[@sharpy3453]

never understood why there is no CWIS on the front of american ships. you would think there would of been at least 1 fore and aft at a minimum

[@scarcasmtincap2856]

Loved it. The swarm 4 the win.

[@steveashlearnerturner]

@Mr Supercap.... soooooo what happens if the QE has a full complement of F35s? come on you know you want to try it 😁

[@grimreapers]

Def Brit win!

[@hughmungus2760]

Im pretty certain all new missiles in development are going to feature dual seekers with an IR component specifically because of the proliferation of 5th gen aircraft.

[@LondonSteveLee]

I wish the Europeans/Brits would hurry up and put an IR seeker on Meteor. The Russians have IR versions of R77.

[@TheWizardGamez]

is the flir cube thing modeled in game? cause to my understanding it giving a decent aoa should be able to track the signature of an aircraft. now. how does that help with radio guidance? idk.

[@Mako2-1]

My gamner in christ, I'm gonna by you some vitamin C candies. You're ALWAYS SICK!!! lol

[@LondonSteveLee]

Jabs 3 - Immune system 0.

[@thecomicsbear7458]

F-35 to Missiles: "Get in my belly!"

[@musicmaker99]

For stealth on stealth surely better to load them all up with fox 2s. Radar-guided not really working in this scenario.

[@djuice1701]

AI in DCS do not deploy countermeasures against IR seeker missiles if they are fired at a target outside of 10 miles / 16KMs. Do not know why though.

[@Frost-01]

Wow didnt expect what i said to actually get applied, yay ... although probably a bad timing to implement it when fighting stealthy missiles...

[@grimreapers]

Yeh, every small change can have a large overall change to outcome I notice.

[@paulybassman7311]

The peoples champ, on loan from Merica, gave us an Awesome Avaaantaàgè.

[@SinnerD2010]

Merica! 🤣 That one guy at the end lost it for you... He was too busy calling tower to telling he was gonna buzz the tower.

[@piconano]

Hope you get well soonest.

[@tobilikebacon]

type 31 frigate?

[@jonathonshaw1375]

They only thing that would make these better is Danger Zone in the back ground! haha :)

[@solomongray6352]

Did you say Frying Dutchman, the all you can eat seafood place in The Simpsons?

[@grimreapers]

Great memory!

[@solomongray6352]

@@grimreapers Just dont ask me what color shirt I wore yesterday.

[@kuhnville3145]

People always underestimate the F-18

[@CMDRScotty]

The American carriers have the EA18G Growler for electronic warfare?

[@DaSteeJ07]

I wish you’d spend more time camera on the fighters, no way we can catch everything at once on camera, but taking the time to focus on one specific moment is cool

[@JohnL2112]

Next time do this, but launch the Americans mixed, instead of just A/A first and A/G second. I bet you could have taken the carrier out before a bunch of the F-35s took off

[@grimreapers]

Agree but want a good hour long battle so will prefer AshP to be at the end.

[@king_goose]

something that will give us a real edge and give us our true naval power in this game is if they add the Perseus FC/ASW or FOSW, whatever you want to call it. the type 45s will probably carry 16 Perseus and 32 aster 30s in their 48 sylvers, and 24 sea ceptors in their own silos. then the type 26 would probably fill its 24 mk41 with 24 Perseus or maybe slightly less to add some sea ceptors. either way, it will make our outcomes alot better. Our F-35s would also be able to carry Perseus for an airborne anti shipping capability. We will probably have F-35C+drones soon as well if project Ark Royal goes ahead.

[@joshuasenior4370]

The type 45 is not likely to carry any, given its role as an AAW. The type 26 almost certainly will though.

[@king_goose]

@@cj64343 the new fc/asw or fosw missile coming out in 2030 is being built by mbda for the uk and france to carry in their sylvers.

[@sirclarencedarrow]

In the 18th century, the British blew a 13 colony lead... ;-)

[@Musix4me-Clarinet]

I've read (and watched) that the *British* ships are outstanding. I'm glad we are on the same side. I do wish their navy was bigger though.

[@AJPMUSIC_OFFICIAL]

We are broke as shit mate

[@EnglishScripter]

@@AJPMUSIC_OFFICIAL No we spend too much in the wrong places.

[@WilkyTheFlyingScotsman]

@@EnglishScripter and broke. Those are both true. We spend about 50% of our GDP and are broke and fund the wrong stuff

[@arnoldjohnson3317]

@@WilkyTheFlyingScotsman It appears to be a big club that most of us have joined.

[@Iamabot4708]

​@@arnoldjohnson3317As long as you don't live outside the USA. That seems to be a rear current problem for the majority of countries. It seems like the USA overspends on projects. But every other nato country underfunds their projects.

[@w1serepeater972]

There shouldn't be a chance CIWS getting 0% pk on these subsonic LRASMs throughout all your naval battles, considering they worked just fine against harpoon and sometimes even supersonic ASMs. Either the damage model is bugged or targeting is bugged. Presently LRASMs are just console kill and when they're out there's 0 suspense left.

[@tescomealdeals4613]

that's because the CIWS is radar guided, hard to get a solution on them because they are stealth, harpoons and supersonics are not stealth.

[@GageEakins]

The issue is that its radar couldn't track them so it was relying on the EOS which is not nearly as accurate for targeting purposes.

[@hughmungus2760]

@@GageEakins at ranges that close radars should be able to track them

[@tryannosaur]

@@GageEakins At 15-20 km ranges, the radar of the Type 45 should've been able to detect and track them, possibly even further for the AWACS.

[@fabianm.1074]

Is there a posiibility, to get hands on your improved Aircrafts mods for private personal use only? I´d be curios to try.

[@Rednax42]

RN Type 31 may do a bit better vs LRASMs with 57mm and 2x 40mm Bofors AAA guns (if the EO directors can track them)

[@mchalewatkins2363]

I think that the 260 is just so well tailored for long range it just can't track as well because it ain't got time to make out a true solution on the target. Expecailly because of the F-35 stealth

[@Gunfreak19]

Naval battle 1 HMS Victory vs US carrier fleet. But all her 101 cannons have been turned into missiel launchers with thousands of ship to air and ship to ship missiles in the magazine.

[@morganlambley8655]

Do the JTAMs go too fast in shorter range engagements that they’re not agile enough to track and chase aircraft? They are designed for longer range engagements where that initial burst of speed isn’t such a problem, but rather maintain speed later in the engagement.

[@morganlambley8655]

Also factor in the stealth having an impact too, makes it easier to lose track