Could F-22 Raptors Dominate Frontline Russian Fighters In Ukraine? (WarGames 48) | DCS

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[@grimreapers]

Ukraine-Russia Series: Fulcrum/Flanker vs Foxbat/Super Flanker: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eJm7l6uZbpl9d7c NASAMS vs Russian Cruise Missiles: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pnuskJVvas-tps0 Russian KH-47M2 vs Polish Air Force: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZ_Vh6ungZqkb9k Su-27 & Drone vs Snake Island: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ipDSg6KLZ6asnNE Su-25s vs Russian Convoy At Kyiv: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKq5Z2iYiq-tqNk NATO Eurofighters vs Crimean AWACS: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e5qtY5d8h81sa8k Patriot, Gepard & Gripen vs KH-65: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJnblaWEn86aZ8k A-10s vs Russian Convoy At Kyiv: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eGHXi6KlZdp_npY USN Tomahawk Strike Kerch Bridge: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZqfTmmuud96ajJo USAF Stealth Strike Kerch Bridge: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f3vFl2x4mN2hrZI Ukrainian Jets Strike Kerch Bridge: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f2mppqCrj7eYeJY F-22 Raptors vs Russian Fighters: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eaDQg5ajp9x9jc0 Raptor/Eagle vs Super Flanker: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oZbUiqCriKqiY5o USAF Bombers vs Mariupol Defenses: kzbin.info/www/bejne/l3TWk6KFfJWEi5Y Ukraine Bombs Snake Island: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eImZammDgMmemJo Stealth Fighters vs Russian Bombers: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKrQamOgo7Z3qaM Sinking Of Moskva #3: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHrNoKx_nsqCsLs Sinking Of Moskva #2: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qZ_Nl5WglKqqjZY Sinking Of Moskva #1: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eKnamWmDfLF9hMU Russia Nukes Britain: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKvOZWiIe7aqd5o Ukraine Uses Danish F-16s: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z2izmp6opZWEl7s Ukraine Uses Polish Mig-29s: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sHTMZad3ft-ohbc Russian-Britain Missile Attack: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sKiseJmXl9utfqM Ghost Of Kyiv: kzbin.info/www/bejne/j6PGpWuMadNkY7c Belgorod Raid: kzbin.info/www/bejne/o4LcnIeuqZuZqtk Eurofighter/Fulcrum vs Super Flanker: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g4Hcepymes2aiJI US Strike vs Odessa kzbin.info/www/bejne/gZbMgHudr86WbLs Russian Helo Rocket Lob: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z2KbeJp9o7WSqa8 Russian Su-25 vs US Patriot SAM: kzbin.info/www/bejne/l6TTZ2yQecSnhZI Understanding Russian SAMs: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iGXbhauCg7-Lmdk Ukrainian Jets Road Operations: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nnPTq4SentODmNk Russian 40 Mile Convoy: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jKPCXmV8gcefeM0 Flanker vs Super Flanker: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jICkpoJ8ga96oZY

[@mortlet5180]

With an all-aspect VLO fighter, altitude is life. It adds to the slant range that the enemy's radar has to travel along to detect you, while also allowing you to shoot them before they can get close enough to even get a lock. Basically, your slant range to the target is the scale that you look at to determine how far away the 'MAR' (the MAR for stealth A/C is basically at what distance the target can get a track which is good enough for a firing solution. This is because the range at which they can detect and track VLO A/C, like the F-22, is multiple times smaller than the front quarter NEZ of pretty much all but the oldest and smallest, Soviet-era missiles. Once you realize that in this setup, if they can fire at you, you are almost certainly within the MAR of their missiles, it makes much more sense to supercruise up as high as you can get. Your missiles get very good launch parameters, you are in a very high energy state whist not burning that much fuel and you never need to get anywhere close to that danger zone around 15-20nm (a flat 20nm MAR against the Su-35S seems like a safer choice, especially with regards to its IR EOS capabilities.). The F-22 is also kinematically good enough so that it should always be able to dictate the engagement, keeping that ~20nm between it and the enemy, but we see none of that here. Also, the c-5 is *really* bad, even against mid-level AI, but especially when compared to the modded missiles that the Russians get.

[@cuttlefishrampant5241]

Also none of them even tried to notch the missiles, they just dove, they kept nose hot and seemed to just kind of hope the missile wouldn't kill them.

[@kdaltex]

This isn't accurate because they gave the su57 a lower rcs rhan the raptor and a better radar when we know its not true. F22 raptor rcs is an order of magnitude smaller than the game version because of "balance". Alter the numbers to reflect real life. Su57 is .1rcs at best

[@Annonymous0283745]

F/A 18 and su57 have a similar rcs

[@madmonkeybbq9974]

Agreed, SU57 RCS is massive

[@kdaltex]

@@Annonymous0283745 exactly. Kind of begs the question of why bother with stealth at all at that point. All it has is thrust vectoring and maneuvering. And given Russia's poverty who knows if the actual capability of the su57 matches the claims. The exposed riveting is the first obvious giveaway this is a propaganda jet because serious stealth absolutely will not have any exposed rivets or panels. Plus this game is made by russians. The fact they overpower the su57 and nerf the f22 while claiming balance is an obvious indicator of this. The F22 model still doesn't have thrust vectoring. Stealth model is extremely simplistic. With raytrace modeling common in games now they can raytrace radar signals to simulate reflections and add an absorption characteristic to the stealth aircraft to approximate the actual performance at most angles. The only thing they couldn't reasonably account for is the internal structure of the aircraft's effects on radar.

[@productNine]

@@kdaltex The F-22 and Su-57 are user made mods. They aren't officially in DCS.

[@AlexBrazhnikovBFE]

@@kdaltex mate, 57 and 22 are user modes. Its not russian dev bias you like so much lol.

[@dbenci2071]

I would say yes because on the regular up in Alaska , they have William tell events that 2 f-22 vs 8 F-15c's latest front line block, the 22's pretty much win all the time , pilots saying it's like clubbing baby seals ... So if they are saying that about F-15's.....

[@pogo1140]

At William Tell, are safety altitudes and bubbles in force?

[@thomasvelazquez9789]

Absolutely it isn't even worth discussing a Russian confrontation it would be well over 20 to 1 for the Raptors or 35s along with 16s 18s or 15s

[@dbenci2071]

Well, from what I read by the time 15 drivers know they are I trouble it's too late , they are in ACM and don't know it

[@Gunni1972]

@@dbenci2071 the F-15 wasn't made to counter the F-22. was it? The SU-35 was made to counter the F-15. the SU-57 to counter F-22, etc.

[@dbenci2071]

@@Gunni1972 well, if the Air Force had some su 35's I'm shure they would use the , so the use the near peer air craft.. that would be the F-15 , when the F-22 or 35 is in the air with allied air craft and crew , the have reflectors mounted on the jets so the give off a radar signature in a effort to keep the actual one secret even from our " Friends "

[@benwoodruff1138]

I think ED changed something with the F15 CF3 module which nerfed the F22. Just in the last few weeks, the radar and AIM120c from the F15 changed dramatically.

[@InfraredSpace]

ED is becoming as real as real world. I like it.

[@gastonbell108]

DCS has intentionally nerfed NATO vs. Russia from the getgo because DOD would demand to know their sources if they went beyond the published data (which is at least 50% nerfed for OPSEC). Russia on the other hand brags about capabilities it does not (and has never) actually had, which are also taken at face value by DCS. Honestly I used to watch this channel a lot more before Ukraine happened and he suddenly decided "This is the ultimate simulator for real life!". It's not. Not even close.

[@victoroduarte]

The day the US sends F-22s to the front line in a real combat situation without AWACS support will be the day diamonds rain from the sky. Also, none of the Russian planes in the video should have detected the F-22 at the distance they did. nor the Russian AWACS.

[@InfraredSpace]

world is classified. So yeah Russian fighters might detect any stealths atleast over 50 miles range.

[@scamdem1c]

@@InfraredSpace they do have an IRST that can detect stealth. and their large fighter radars are quite powerful too. the su35 and mig31 can detect stealth with IRST and radar. however, they wont be able to detect stealth at 50 miles. i doubt it. also, if the f22s were flying low and slow, it would be even harder to detect them.

[@saltyfloridaman7163]

@@scamdem1c the f22 and f35 are designed to mask and dissipate heat to maintain IR stealth as well. look at the exhaust of the f22, its made to rapidly dissipate heat, and the f35 has an external bypass that pumps cooler air around the engine to reduce its exhaust and body ir signature

[@nikolanojic6861]

@@saltyfloridaman7163 Yeah and F117 was designed to penetrate most heavily defended areas and Serbs still shot it down in 1999 ..

[@saltyfloridaman7163]

@@nikolanojic6861 the F117 was designed primarily to be a stealth strike bomber with a2a capability, and at the time fared well against AA radar, but rather average against aerial radar due to the RCS differences. and an enemy plane designed for air superiority shot it down, and surprisingly enough the two pilots are good friends now. The F-35 and F-22 learned heavily about the advantages and disadvantages of the plane, and removed the bad, improved the good. Such as the angles for radar deflection, and drastically improved stealth capabilities from every possible direction

[@Xenomorphine]

The last time, when Russian SAM sites were somehow opening fire on B-2s at a decent range, it was a big clue that this game is incapable of modelling actual RCS parameters. And if the F-22 doesn’t have LPI AESA radar, it’s even more pointless.

[@Xenomorphine]

@@kartikaslia9810 No, completely untrue. F-22s and F-35s have routinely flown at very close range around Russian anti-air sites over Syria and they never change their alert level, allowing them to leisurely vacuum up lots of valuable emissions data from them. They are never detected, much less ever tracked. The reason wasn’t that. I mean, why would it be? Turkey can detect its OWN planes? That wouldn’t be an issue. The problem, as detailed on sites like Strategy Page and elsewhere, was that if a nation purchases Russian or Chinese SAMs, that means Russian/Chinese technicians have to visit them for periodic maintenance. The F-35 has a game-changing, huge advantage of being able to plug directly into an operator nation’s integrated defence network, which allows it to launch weapons from ANY other platform in theatre, from artillery to warships, at targets it is designating. It effectively gives them an unlimited magazine and not need to fire any if their own weapons. Russian technicians would have been able to gain access to that critical new NATO capability, analyse and then copy it. This was regarded as an intolerable possibility. That’s why the transfer never happened. It had nothing to do with Russian SAMs somehow being capable of detecting or tracking them. After all, if they could, it would mean stealth is suddenly obsolete, which it clearly isn’t. Plus, both Russia and China have been pouring billions into their own (inferior) stealth technology. If stealth was no longer a valid technology, they wouldn’t be doing that.

[@kartikaslia9810]

Well thanks, I didn't knew about it, I read that s-400 is capable of detecting f-35s, and s-400 can talk to it's radars in real time which makes it a potent threat, now I know what is the actual reason so thank you. But can you confirm the fact about the s-400 able to detect the f-35, I have read it on way to many sites.

[@Chemo735]

As a matter of fact, DCS radically oversimplifies and probably massively over-represents the abilities of stealth technology. RCS is not a single number in real life. Radar returns are attenuated to greater or lesser degrees, depending upon the angle the radar is hitting the aircraft from. So a 5th generation fighter may have the radar return of a large insect from some angles, but from others it probably has the return of a bus. Add to this that the stealth geometry is optimized for straight and level flight, and the moment control surfaces start deflecting, you start returning a lot more radar, and things get a lot more uncertain. Now that’s not to say that the air defense radars the Russians are using always perform as advertised either, but one detection ruins a surprise, so DCS’s consistency and predictability generally favor stealth more than real life.

[@grimreapers]

Su-35 radars were clearly over-performing. Will fix an retry.

[@Xenomorphine]

@@kartikaslia9810 The sites you have read it from are in error. If they could detect the F-35 with ease, nobody would be spending money on stealth and sales of that system would have gone through the roof. That Russia is desperately trying to get enough money to create its own (inferior) stealth platforms speaks volumes.

[@philtheairplanemechanic]

"mom said I could become anything so I became an FAA regulation violator" as an a&p this is both hilarious and physically painful

[@stewartmorley2683]

You start these missions with a major intelligence advantage, knowing enemy fighter positions and numbers. It would be very interesting to see what would happen if you created a scenario like the one you just did but with very limited knowledge of enemy assets. I can't help but think that not knowing beforehand what you're up against would lead to a tendency to abort the mission.

[@Gabriel_McMillan]

But how limited would that knowledge be in real life? I think they are able to track what takes off from where by satellite, at least. While the SU-35 has a reduced cross section, it probably could be seen from an AWACS in Poland or Romania, I would imagine.

[@bestestusername]

I reckon before america and nato did this sort of thing the intelligence about airfield locations and whats flying would be very intense. Iraqi air force in 1991 was supposed to be a threat and they never stood a chance

[@markuskoivisto]

Some of the campaigns are done like that, so have a look at those!

[@lightray706]

@@Gabriel_McMillan Being able to track what takes off by satellite is most definitely an option, however the awacs would not help, as they don't have the range to assist in eastern Ukraine.

[@marshalljulie3676]

@@Gabriel_McMillan it's a game you can literally set a fair playing field instead of giving you the advantage instead of a challenge.

[@mikem7121]

It's well publicized that the general agreement is the F22 cross section is .0001 m2. Unfortunately, this exercise really gives no useful information as the F22 is so poorly modeled in this including wrong radars, lack of thrust vectoring and no inclusion of MADL.

[@Darko-kn6il]

just accept the result lol..even an F-35 which is stealthier got detected by china as soon as it take off from korean airbase so US jets not invincible.

[@Lunumbrus]

"As of 2010, the Air Force has canceled upgrade plans for the F-22 to receive MADL citing technology maturity risks." -Wiki Has this changed?

[@mabotiyn]

That doesn’t matter especially facing terrible Russian pilots.

[@Gabriel_McMillan]

It's only 0.0001 m2 from a certain angle. If you have S-400s looking from three different directions, and an AWACS, that stealth goes away without that SU-35 having to even turn its radar on, just using the datalink and IRST.

[@justfun287]

@@Gabriel_McMillan assuming the 57 can take off and didn’t have tire fatigue from being left in the sun for 15 years lol

[@GoddamnHikari]

I freaking love Sockington's bizarre one liners that you have to have a double take on.

[@rnash999]

I think the game devs must have altered the F-22 v Russian aircraft.

[@grimreapers]

Yeh annoying.

[@Rover200Power]

Why would a Russian made game do that?

[@Gunni1972]

@@Rover200Power Especially, if you are allowed to mod it. Makes no sense.

[@absodell5872]

It would be cool to see some more team v team missions in a tactical Manor, such as perhaps some sector control scenario perhapse between Russia and Ukraine ?

[@grimreapers]

Agree but difficult when using these aftermarket mods.

[@rsp7029]

You got seen because your tanker had an aircrew who was partying on holiday and met a Russian woman who is now threatening to reveal his vacation activities to his wife if he doesn't provide the times and vectors of F22 missions.

[@Gunni1972]

The tanker was not stealthy at all, but still over "polish" Airspace if i remember correctly. However, if detected, one would assume, the russians would start an "Investigative Squad" into that general direction. Radars at full burn.

[@bonesmiginty2458]

Great video. Definitely disappointed the raptors lost, but it was certainly interesting to see what happens when stealth doesn't work. Scary proposition! I'd love to see this video again with normal Su-35 radars and the AIM-120D at some point.

[@InfraredSpace]

ED is becoming realistic..

[@grimreapers]

Yup will fix and re-do.

[@cmkpspg]

Just an observation: But i thin the Tanker seemed to have spawned in with it's flaps down! So perhaps that was causing it to be hard for the A.i. to control at speed, especially with flaps causing more lift etc.

[@douglasthompson201]

You would probably do well to keep your own radars off until quite late, and maintain altitudes above 35000 feet for your initial AMRAAM launches. The bandits can see your radars for hundreds of miles and will vector themselves in your direction until they can see you. If your radars are off, they won't know where to look initially, giving you a chance to use their radars to vector in on them and volley fire AMRAAMs from effective ranges well outside their abilities to detect you.

[@russellknight26]

So excited to see what happens very interesting intro. Might be something to try with non stealth Datalink capable US planes depending on how this turns out.

[@adamlairsey6700]

Im not sure, but I think the data link runs off the Aegis Combat System so the F-22 gets any transmission from radar/satellite or any other means of information from anything around the battlefield. I dont think satellite data would help much with things travelling at mach 2 plus though.

[@timbaskett6299]

I can remember as a kid, maybe 10-11(in 1985 or 86), at my first military airshow at Gowen Field climbing into the refuelers station on a KC-135, and KC-10. On the -135 they lay down, and on the -10 they had seats.

[@Oz_Gnarly_One]

If the reapers had gone into that engagement with out the assumption that stealth would hide them I think they wouldn't have lost so many F22. The confusion over being spiked meant they didn't defend like you would in a F16.

[@92HazelMocha]

That was my biggest takeaway; going into the fight Cap even said he was going to wait until they were in NEZ, if he had fired beforehand, the flankers wouldn't have even gotten a lock.

[@grimreapers]

We honestly thought they would not see us so we didn;t even defend :(

[@charlietheunicorn5383]

Interesting. Very interesting. My favorite part, when Damp Sock came back to base, listing off all the "failures" in his airframe, but brought her in safely. No, you are a "Hero" Damp Sock! Cap, you could spice it up and place some "allied" SAMs (S300) in the area, to give the computer pilots something to think about during the mission.

[@grimreapers]

Roger charlie.

[@terryweedon8431]

Need better Raptor mods, need to change the cross section to .0001. Our best F15s can't see the F22, F35, so I highly doubt outdated 4th gen russian jets could see them beyond 20miles. S400 probably with in 10-20miles. But could it get a weapons grade lock? I dunno. During Nato exercises the Brits in the euro fighters said (taking on the F35) "we can get behind it, but we can't get a lock". Of course the F22 is more stealthy than the 35... And yeah people will argue about front facing aspect is the smallest radar return, but its still incredibly stealthy from all other sides lol Imagine a jet that's only stealthy from the front LMAO. But thanks for the great videos!

[@grimreapers]

I think the problem was actually the SU-35 over-performing. Will investigate.

[@Captain_Coleslaw]

Arent the F-22's meant to fly fully passive radar in stealth mode, just finding targets based of thier radars. and firing on those??

[@IRONIC1688]

Good stuff! I love to see you guys fly.

[@eustace2c2]

Radar cross section is only part of the equation. The electronic warfare that the top of the line stealth fighters can deploy are as important if not more important than pure physical radar cross section.

[@scamdem1c]

explain "electronic warfare that the top of the line stealth fighters can deploy". and then come up with a way to model it in a game.

[@eustace2c2]

@@scamdem1c Since most of it is classified I doubt it could be modeled in the game. It is theorized / speculated, that the current top of the line electronic warfare and "electronic stealth" can supposedly jam radars sending back so much noise the enemy cannot see anything, or supposedly burn out enemy radars, others claim electronic stealth can actually read incoming radar and send back false returns that "hide" the plane. I enjoy these videos as entertainment and fun speculation but was just commenting that I take it as it is, a game with limitations that makes a lot of assumptions.

[@scamdem1c]

@@eustace2c2 so.. its all just theories and speculation! LOL!!! to be serious though. most of the stuff you mentioned are already employed by NON stealth fighters. its not just a thing for "top of the line stealth fighters". actually these technologies have been around for a few years already. ever heard of electronic counter measures(ECM)? what about electronic jamming? jamming is about sending "the false returns" you are talking about. common modern jets like the f16 have this ability(except old models). alot of other jets too. you can even have stronger jamming by using ECM pods specifically designed for more powerful jamming. the su34 and su35 can use pods like these. you can also do jamming with your main radar. the more powerful the radar, the more effective the jamming. the eurofighter typhoon, su35, f22, f35 and others can do electronic warfare with their radars. the one on the su35 and f22 are quite powerful btw. they have big high powered radars. some electronic warfare are already modelled in the game for some certain jets.

[@eustace2c2]

@@scamdem1c Yep ECM has been around a good while. I just remember what my uncle used to say, he was an Air Force lifer and had TS clearance and just the stuff he could talk about was amazing to hear about. He used to tell me whatever you think you see and know is only the tip of the iceberg of what we really have and can do.

[@ShionWinkler]

Something was clearly bugged, they were seeing you from over 100 miles away, which is outright impossible.

[@grimreapers]

Yup AI Su-35 broken :(

[@seifer918]

@@grimreapers if they can see your tanker, can they guess where your fighters are?

[@Tabacish]

@@seifer918 Not really, tankers stay in their pattern for hours, making it a complete guesswork when the fighers refill...

[@92HazelMocha]

I mean from the tacview, that northern flight was almost at 90 degrees to the F22's. That RCS number everyone floats only applies directly head on at co-altitude. From a lower altitude looking at an entirely different aspect of the aircraft makes it far far more visible. Flankers also have data link so if any of them get a return, they all know where you are. Between both the F22 and Su35 being fan made mods, I doubt that this was a realistic simulation, but what occurred is probably within the realm of possibility.

[@saltyfloridaman7163]

@@92HazelMocha the entire surface of the f22 and f35 were designed to be extremely stealthy. f-16 pilots in red flag can hardly even lock on to an f35 within visual range, let alone maintain and track. the overall rcs is about the same as a bird, while the f35 is about the size of a football

[@jimmywan87]

I just can’t help but feel that the basket and probe is much safe and effective. You can fuel up 2 plane at once and it feels less daunting having a stick prodding a plane…..

[@brianpullin683]

Awesome job people👍. Cap i know you get hundreds of request, but could you consider a cold war type scenario, inspired by panavia tornado operations using only aircraft with variable geometry wings i.e. multi purpose ops 1) strike 200ft max altitude at speed( raf requiriment) 2) bomber interception.( raf again) 3) maritime strike( luftwaffe). 4) reconnaissance and support( italian air force). Against a imginery opponent 😀

[@killsomethin]

Capt : Is anyone still alive Cannonball: I am Me : Cannonball run !

[@JohnDoe_Poland]

Great idea for an episode! BUT. Having an AWACS closer to the battle itself but still on international airspace as due regard to international law (to maintain political realism) protected by a bunch of AI F16s? Going more stealth mode with the entire team Utilizing F35s as an assault feature of the group and F22 as an air superiority guard dog. Just an idea :) I think everyone here wants to see more damage done to Russia

[@jethro1895]

Why the negative sentiment about Russia??

[@saltyfloridaman7163]

@@jethro1895 look at whats happening in europe, Russia is being the next nazi germany, giving bs excuses as validation for ukraine's invasion. russia has gone mad, and its easy to see

[@jethro1895]

@@saltyfloridaman7163 not sure that's a close relation nazis had a strong ideology fueled by hatred cause they needed a scapegoat for their economic problems.

[@jethro1895]

This situation is the same as the cuban missed crisis whether people want to acknowledge it or not. Russia wouldn't like America on their doorstep same for the Americans.

[@billness2635]

Awesome to see the Raptors with my home states AK tail markings!

[@gsflightsimfun20]

I think Russia only has 3 active SU 57s Def not enough to make a difference in air superiority. Doubt they would deploy them. Oh and absolutely love watching your vids!!!! Keep up the good work!!!!!!

[@PedjoGT]

Not true...activ minimum 5 and probably over 10 today

[@jayrom6237]

Nah they BROKE and cant Afford it Without AMERICAN MONEY

[@AyOuB.God-soldier]

In wiki thy are 5 in service and 12 prototypes

[@PedjoGT]

@@jayrom6237 Dont be naive

[@jayrom6237]

@@PedjoGT lol Freedom of speech ill say and be what ever i want. In real life Russia needs American Money

[@Gabriel_McMillan]

Also, it seems like the AI cannot provide that much of a challenge for a talented human pilot, so in some future mission, I suggest you have a GrimReapers crew versus Growling Sidewinder, Long Shot and their crew match-up. Your side posts videos from your perspective, and their sides posts videos from their perspectives. Preferably, either China vs US missions, or Russia vs European planes, or US and Europe vs Russian planes, or Chinese versus Japanese, South Korean, and Indian planes. Note that the latest Growling Sidewinder video is about a new AI update, which supposedly much improves the AI, but which has not gone live yet. Is the DF-21D modeled yet? It would be really interesting to see a carrier operating in a area that might be held at risk with DF-21Ds, hopefully with the TV camera terminal missile guidance, ideally. But, of course, then you'd need US subs with cruise missiles to hold the land-based anti-ship and air defense systems at risk.

[@grimreapers]

I would seriously be up for that you know. I think time zones would be a possible issue.

[@Gabriel_McMillan]

@@grimreapers I will do my best to help pass the word on to them. I'm quite sure it would be a crowd-pleaser, for both your audiences. I'll definitely be tuning in! Keep up the good work. Thank you again for re-doing the scenario with the SU-35s.

[@Gunni1972]

Now that's a competition, if i ever heard of one.

[@anthonyadkins7487]

I love you guys. You are the cause of many hours of lost sleep.

[@grimreapers]

sry

[@JZ909]

Awesome mission! I think the lack of datalink and simulated AESA hurt you really badly as well. If the F-22s were all talking to each other, and presumably identifying targets with NCTR, a couple of those merges may not have happened.

[@LondonSteveLee]

On the other hand the F-22's datalink to AMRAAM STILL doesn't work - so anyone detecting RADAR emissions from AMRAAM could easily plot a course to avoid them as mid-course guidance isn't available - to be fair this didn't work on Typhoon either until METEOR came along.

[@JZ909]

@@LondonSteveLee I've never heard that, and to be totally honest, I rather doubt it's true. There are pictures of the YF-22 shooting AMRAAMs, before the F-22 was even a thing. Maybe it's some issue with the AIM-120D's 2-way datalink?

[@LondonSteveLee]

@@JZ909 The datarate of block D AMRAAM was too fast for F-22's interfaces - that's why they were stuck on block C.

[@castlekingside76]

The Russians are denying this, but they have already lost an S400. They used drones and took out radar, targeting, damaged one launcher and it was rendered useless. The drones came up super high, they were launched inside of the radars ability to look up. Gravity bombs did the rest. Quite clever.

[@panthbarola1256]

that's not how an S-400 system works :/

[@Zog26]

Cool story. Where was / is the S400 sited? One would expect this to be all over the Zelensky daily news ;-)

[@clarkdewar7122]

Very informative very intense... highly entertaining.

[@drakedragapult671]

Could you do a modern version of the Pearl Harbor attack. Something like this: 20 mixed American ships in port. 100 scramble ready F-16s. Human controlled F-22s. Patriot Sam system. vs. 350 attackers comprised of Su-27s, Su-33s, Su-34s, and Su-25s. OR, 20 mixed Russian ships in port. 100 scramble ready Su-33s. Human controlled Su-57s. S400 network. vs. 350 attackers comprised of F-35s, F-16s, F-18s, and A-10s.

[@Mystical922]

Might be too many aircraft in the Carrier ones he mentioned he was surprised it worked so probably impossible

[@GeorgeBTV09]

Matrix should have said something like ' Felon apprehended ' then flare dump barrel rolled whilst cranking up the top gun theme tune! You know out of respect....! 😁

[@edbaldwin8736]

You lost me. SU 57 is not stealthy. Per the Indian air force. That's why they pulled out.

[@lukewhitehouse4103]

Not actually true Sukhoi wanted too much investment from HAL and Russia still hasn't perfected the Izdeliye-30, its still in testing and the delays led India to consider other options. As a footnote Sukhoi have been extremely secretive about the whole development of the Su-57, whether this is to hide the shortcomings of the system or Russia doesn't fully trust HAL and India is another question.

[@adamlairsey6700]

The Su-57 has technically 2-3 stealth mishaps, there is a couple of big screws that make the radar cross section bigger, but not disastrous, but what is, is the Su-57 canopy, it almost ruins the entire stealth capabilities! If you look, you cant hardly see behind you in the Su-57 because the ejection seat is located all the way rearward and the internal bays jut up to the back of the seat so the canopy had to be raised at its peak point to ensure the ejection seat cleared the cockpit. This is what I've read and matches up closely while looking at the cockpit design. They were off a little in cockpit design and the canopy had to be heightened. If you look at it side by side with the F-22 and F-35 you can notice a great deal in the design especially next to the F-22 Canopy.

[@catadoxas]

as far as I understand it the su-57 is ment to fight stealth fighters on wild-weasle missions so under cover of large networked radar stations, s-400s s-300s L-band installations. stealth fighters if they want to maximize their advantage have to fly very carefully planed missions to optimize the angles they expose and generally speaking L-band can tell you where they are (even if it cant lock them for a firing solution) having to deal with an su-57 in these conditions sounds a lot tougher, its fast its manouverable, it has good radars, it will know your general location and have IRST and if it can force you to take evasive manouvers or enter combat chances are it will be picked up, tracked and target illuminated by one of the ground stations. pitting an f22 and a su57 over neutral territory obviously gives the f22 an advantage, but thats like its not a very realistic scenario

[@kdaltex]

Something else to consider: Russia has nonexistent friend or foe (IFF) technology. That's why their air defense radars are turned off most of the time so they don't shoot down their own planes. Might be why the radar on moskva didn't work. If you risk shooting down your own planes when they're on combat missions then you have no air defense. Basically if Russian planes are on patrol then the s400 has to be turned off.

[@AlexBrazhnikovBFE]

Iff systems implemented in russian aircrafts and aa since mig-21smt I guess. "Kremniy-2/2M". Since 1995 it was replaced with "Parol'" IFF system.

[@user-qb9ec2is9n]

"Russia has nonexistent friend or foe (IFF) technology" damn bro you need to decrease your dose. Even after Belenko escape there was major programm to redo IFF system from scratch, because of captured foxbat. Back in 70-s.

[@kdaltex]

@@user-qb9ec2is9n well explain why so many air defense radars are turned off or just plain old missing ukranian planes? Russia should be dominanting the skies. How does some cheap turkish drone not get immediately shot down by any one of your short to long range air defenses? Either it's because they don't work or the IFF on Russian planes don't work making it an operational risk to keep them on. The other option is US intelligence assists ukraine in detecting gaps in the radar networks when one is turned off for whatever reason. Either way with the touted S400 and many short range defense options there shouldn't be any gaps.

[@user-qb9ec2is9n]

@@kdaltex turkish drones getting shot down immediately and russia dominates the sky rn. Questions?

[@grimreapers]

Roger, noted.

[@aepceo1]

That was hell of tense.

[@mac2857]

So I don't know if you know about it, but there is a simulator called Command: Modern Operations. The commercial version is available for purchase on Steam and Matrix Games. It's a bit costly, but I think you will really like it. It's not a flight sim like DCS but rather at the broader operational level (you command units rather than flying them yourself). I think it's perfect for these videos you make. You can use it in videos like these alongside DCS and maybe compare the two. All the aircraft in this video are already in the base version so you don't have to rely on mods which may cause problems as seen in this video. It's also a lot more consistent and realistic in my opinion.

[@grimreapers]

I've got it. But it's not multiplayer so I don't really want to make vids on it.

[@mac2857]

@@grimreapers fair enough

[@TheHoneyThief]

I think Cap left his radar on, which led everyone to him. Also, does yhe AI allow the SU 57 to relat information to the 35s? May also be a contributing factor.

[@floridaman4073]

Knowing Cap, probably.

[@mikeck4609]

I’m not a fan of modded aircraft (outside of the A-4) but this a useful look at the outer limits of what the game models

[@Anarchy_420]

I wish they'd do F-4 Phantom VS A-4 Skyhawk!

[@jimbograves1576]

Kinda seems like you've tied one arm behind the raptors' backs just to make the game more equal & interesting. Still love it.

[@grimreapers]

Su-35 radars were clearly over-performing. Will fix an retry.

[@NightWatch1337]

Looking up emergency checklist for: Front Fell Off

[@grimreapers]

lol

[@rags417]

My guess is that the MiG-31s combined with the AWACS to vector the other Reds in while hanging back to maintain SA. I wouldn't call 4 F-22s down and one seriously damaged vs 7 enemy to be a draw. It's more like a tactical moderate Russian victory since the F-22s are worth a lot more than the Su-35s, and a strategic NATO minor victory since NATO has a lot more planes and the ability to replace them.

[@cassiespencer6134]

I presume you're referring to DCS since, to my knowledge, we haven't tasked any F-22's to Ukraine. Nor do we have any manned or unmanned aircraft in Ukrainian air space.

[@buzzpedrotti5401]

Pretty sure the combination of AWACS, & mobile anti-air net, stealth F35 scout spotting, stealth F22 and F15 multi mission CAP and drones networked into battlespace management CIC, that the US can choose what parts of the Ukraine airplane are open and which are empty.

[@ryanspencer6778]

That explains why it felt like the AI could see me in the Raptor. They could.

[@LuizBarros99]

It could be interesting to do a "Human Vs AI" series, to see which aircraft become OP in the hands of the AI. Something that comes to my mind were the Chinese fighters with the insane missiles that were wrecking the Taiwanese air force older aircrafts.

[@lordsqueak]

Interesting idea, I'd like to see that. I'm sure they got a pretty good idea of how AI handles things, playing DCS everyday'ish, but it can be interesting to specifically investigate that aspect.

[@grimreapers]

Good idea Luiz

[@gruntopolouski5919]

When both Bitchin’ Betty AND the flight lead start cursing, things are going pear-shaped… (“Shoot. Shoot. Shoot.” and “Sh-h-i-i-i-ittt!!!!”)

[@Gabriel_McMillan]

Thank you!

[@TheOneTrueChris]

"Yes, welcome to minute six of the glorious refueling sequence!"

[@alf3071]

is that radar cross section from all angles or just from the front as it heads towards the enemy radar?

[@grimreapers]

Adjusts with different angles.

[@Gunni1972]

@@grimreapers no it doesnt. The RCS is a standard measurment from the front. Why? because side-aspect depends on loadout. Top down, they are not as stealthy geometry-wise. (You can't hide flat wings, unless material itself absorbs/refracts radar) F-22 Tailfins are HUGE from the side. And it has not the same thick composite material, the F-35 has.

[@kawythowy867]

Great info. Only 1000 likes. Come on guys. This guy is great

[@grimreapers]

We lost pretty badly :(

[@steffenjespersen247]

I do not know if this is modelled in DCS but since you F-22's turned on their active radar you would make yourself visible like waving a flashlight around at night. Even though the Russian aircraft could not get a target lock they could still fire off an R-77 into your path and rely on its own active radar homing when it got close enough ?

[@lukewhitehouse4103]

The R-77 can home on jam (HOJ) so perhaps but who knows

[@strambino1]

I think the RCS of the SU 57 is close to .05 m². Still a pretty small target. It still could be enough to throw off a weapons grade lock especially from a fox 3 which will use either X or K band radar. S band can see them pretty well but that type of radar has more clutter and a lower resolution Which makes it better for search and not missile tracking.

[@scamdem1c]

didnt sukhoi say that the su57 is stealthier at the front than at the back? they said the RCS is around 0.1. if so then theyre saying the su57 is less stealthy than the f35. unless if sukhoi is lying about the RCS. i doubt it. i think sukhoi is telling the truth.

[@lukewhitehouse4103]

The IR dazzlers in the rear of the cockpit with the flares should have defeated the Aim9X

[@harveybrimer1054]

Hard to follow and hard to believe, thanks for sharing.

[@Istandby666]

Thank you for choosing the 22 over the 35.

[@panthbarola1256]

well F-35's aren't meant for air combat

[@Istandby666]

@@panthbarola1256 I know, I was at Edwards Air Force Base during the testing of all these aircraft. I do not like the 35, that is the main reason I made my statement. But thank you for commenting on something you had/ have no understanding of.

[@panthbarola1256]

@@Istandby666 that was the logical answer. I understand that Raptor is a better looking aircraft. Also love the fact that you witnessed testing of the most guarded fighter jet over decades.

[@Istandby666]

@@panthbarola1256 Thank you. The best days of my life were high school, college, and traveling. If I could go back in time and relive my life? I would, NO changes.

[@imjashingyou3461]

The IRST on the SU-57s nose is very unstealthy the stinger on the tail, and some panel edge issues co tribute to it as well. Bottom line is the Russians knowingly gave up RCS performance for an IRST and additional missile warning equipment. It's way to stealthy compared to the F-22. The F-22 is orders of magnitude better. Make no mistake the SU-57 is low observable still.

[@Wyomingchief]

Okay my question being since they've never picked you up on radar like that before, what maybe did you do different? First of all it'd be overrun this type of simulation with the tanker involved? And the reason I asked this is, since I'm not familiar with the F-22, I noticed you open the hatch for refueling. As I heard cap said to make sure you open that, does that then automatically close afterwards? Because if it doesn't then you're not stealthy anymore. That's the only thing I could think of that would keep you from being stealthy

[@montyx2333]

Probably because they were flying in a close formation thus increasing their RCS. Not sure if DCS models that though

[@The_Zilli]

Never played this game but Im very impressed by it.

[@sabres555555]

Thanks!

[@MatGuaBec94]

17:40 old GR vibes with the Ace Combat OST

[@PaulHigginbothamSr]

Remember Yeager could see 14 to 24 miles much smaller aircraft. At 400 mph the other men in the flight too 5 minutes before visual.

[@martinwyke]

Put an AWAC with the Tanker or over the airfield

[@ryanpayne7707]

6:53: That's not how it works IRL. A satellite does not hover over a single location; its orbiting the Earth at 7.2km/s. They can do strategic level recon, but they are not providing real time survilence to tactical assets. (Since they'd only be over the AO for a minute or two before having to complete the rest of thier 45 minute orbit.) And this gets even more complicated if the orbit is inclined, like it would have to be since Ukraine is not on the equator. (The Earth would rotate over the course of 45 minutes, making the satellite's ground track shift several hundred miles west.) 9:27: xxx airplane por nxxx

[@georgecolthurst4216]

Poor Betty needs counseling after that ride in Sock's plane.

[@servantofthealmightygod7234]

nice videos your doing lately, and also nice soundtracks in the background. can you tell me please wha'ts the name of the soundtrack at 24:35

[@grimreapers]

I don't have the names sorry, old tracks I sampled ages ago.

[@christophero55]

I know the Mig-31 can act as a mini-AWEC in real life but even with its radar could it see an F-22 at that range? Does the Mig-31 have datalink with the Su-35s? Do they both have data-link with the A-50? Would it be possible to get enough of a radar return from an F-22 with both the Mig-31 and A-50 radar painting the F-22 that with datalink between all aircraft involved (triangulation of a rough position) that a good enough firing solution could be worked out to fire a missile with some chance of success for a hit? At what range would this be viable? If not possible with an F-22 would something like this work against something less stealthy like an F-35? Outside of the possibilities in real life, is any of this possible in DCS? Many more questions than answers this video has made. Very interesting guys.

[@LeoH3L1]

I think that that Su-57 mod is how shall we say, "enhanced", and it's enabling the others on team red to see you, when it shouldn't.

[@samanazimi5087]

Remember that winwing technology is your ultimate hardware solution :) 152

[@bell4textu973]

With F-22 or F-35 you would knock them out of their sock! That would have been brutal....

[@antonymitchell3385]

Recently there has been a Rivet Joint patrolling in a horizontal line broadly where google maps put the words "Black Sea". Do you think that would have any effect.

[@kaustubhacharya7642]

INDIAN Strategic Jet Bombers.....WITH Pakistani....SAMs ....Big Fan BRO...

[@andron967]

Nifty game but it's not a game. And why would we believe the F22 and F35 are our top line fighters ?

[@chrisortega7521]

You were "getting chased by that guy all the time," because you don't keep your head on a swivel. Gotta remember to pick up that VTF, c.a.p..

[@grimreapers]

We really didn;t expect this and were not really prepare to face hard opposition.

[@consistent_lead8536]

I still haven’t been able to aerial refuel. Any time in a campaign when I try, right before I make contact the tanker freaks out. I don’t understand why.

[@frankedwardmattis346]

My son just downloaded DCS on his gaming computer as soon as I get up to par I hope to join the grim reapers

[@butthead6051]

20:22 The guy sounds like the drummer from the band Tool haha

[@grimreapers]

GREAT drummer

[@butthead6051]

@@grimreapers Wait. Actually its at 22:20 in case u didnt see it...

[@butthead6051]

@@grimreapers Mixed up the mins and secs

[@silversurfer66_]

refueling awesome shoot

[@piecectrlhsh5718]

Super Cap = I am running away Su-35 = Sorry but the plan has changed 😁😁😁

[@Galm1]

If you gonna use Ace Combat Music then I recommend music from Ace Combat 0. I believe it’s Called Ace Combat The Belkan War in the UK.

[@lohrtom]

When Damp Sock landed he sounded like he was going through a checklist of my life: failure….failure……failure…..failure

[@rangermedicHunter]

you should have used a mixture of 22 and 35

[@jasonvick55]

This same thing happened to GS on his channel. For whatever reason, the Su-35 can easily see the F-22 in DCS. Makes no sense

[@dinocr6783]

possible that the bomb bay doors or the fuel doors were left open? air brakes??

[@jashaejoseph3752]

Personally I miss the 2 hour long videos of refueling and flights to operating areas, i know cuts are necessary though

[@darthyogi6950]

maybe AI used data link and EO sensors with radar as range finder... also what makes f-22 all frequency not visible they are great at 1.5 ghz and up, bellow (1.5ghz) its range of detection is exponentially extended ... again AI must have utilized some other assets that human factor on red side last time didn't.. you might wanna check into that..

[@LondonSteveLee]

"My entire computer system is dead" - so it does model F-22 accurately!

[@aresp6925]

RCS is aspect specific and not a magical cloak of invisibility working in a sphere

[@cmotdibbler4454]

Something was fucky there, F22s were visible way before they should have been, the A50 and ground radar were well out of detection range for your RCS... You did shut your fuel doors didn't you?

[@grimreapers]

Su-35 radars broken.

[@cmotdibbler4454]

@@grimreapers Much like all of their IRL equipment

[@misterfister8641]

23:25 More than half the flight is in ashes, one element limping home on Mk.1 eyeballs only 23:26 Cap: "This is problematic at best." New Yawka asking, is this British humor?

[@grimreapers]

Never give up!

[@meltonkentjr1226]

Cap, I just love watching you guys carryout different scenarios! I think I've watched them all know so you guys need to MAKE SOME MORE NOISE!...lol! How about maybe a few A10 Warthog on those russian tanks that's protected by some F22s for aerial support, followed by a naval attack of our best warplanes against russian ships. ABSOLUTELY a video attack on Crimea under secrecy as a joint attack with Ukrainian forces to retake the naval submarine base there with as much intact as possible for the Ukrainians to use Russia's own equipment against them! This attack with keeping some of the Russian ships alive as possible would DEFINITELY be a WIN - WIN because Crimea would be back under their control AND they would have Russian naval ships and at least 1 submarine to carryout an attack on the Kerch Bridge destroying more of it than just 1 section to ensure Russia can't rebuild it quickly and it would sever Russian resupply leaving just the East as Russia's only chance of infiltrating Ukraine. Ukrainian Forces would only have to focus on 1 area then ultimately creating a kill box of eastern mine fields, kinda like between North and South Korea. Thanks guys for all of your work!

[@GaBuCh437]

possible that su-35 using IRST (infrared search and track) to track the raptor

[@grimreapers]

Im not sure, I mean they were firing radar-guided missiles?

[@MostHigh777]

Of course they could they're vastly Superior.

[@firstnamelastname4979]

Looked like the tanker might be too high with a full belly and struggling to maintain altitude?