How To Find & Kill Submarines Guide: By Real USN ASW Officer | Sea Power

[@dobster5819]

Can I say a big thank you for listening to the viewers, this was fascinating to hear Pony a specialist talking about this subject, cheers Cap.

[@grimreapers]

Look at me shutting up.

[@geraldaffeldt8228]

One tactic not discussed is recon by torpedo. When you were looking for the second sub, send a torpedo that way and as long as your wire is still connected you may find it or spook the other sub into a mistake.

[@williamescolantejr5871]

I was on a destroyer in 80s an understood nixie could be configured that way as well as other uses

[@moorgunandmarshes]

LMAO. " Cap and Fly won't constantly interrupt you" Then starts with the introduction with the sim in a thunder storm! Hilarious

[@jaxompol224]

Active sonar announces to any passive sonar listening in. You would give away approx range and bearing way before you would detect them. Think of active sonar as being a torch in a dark room, others can see you but you can only see what's in the cone of light.

[@grathian]

Bravo Zulu Pony! I was a USN SWO with ASW specialty 78-93, Pony seems later. A couple comments: A submarine would hear the patrol plane long before it heard the bouy splash. Task force operations were split by warfare area - AW focused on anti-air, AS on ASW etc. MAD was used for triggering torpedo drop in an attack, Soviets in shallow waters did use it for search. Historically first used to great success in 1943 as search gear by Blimps operating in Straits of Gibraltar. In the early 80s DIFAR and DICASS were still rare, mostly we had LOFAR and CASS - no directional info. VLAD was just a future concept. Area search with fixed wing (Orions, Vikings etc) was always lines, because everything before Victor III were easily detected in CZ (convergence zone - a ~mile wide circle ~25 miles away from the bouys). Also, the patrol planes could only track 16 bouys at a time, helos only 4. So a 16 buoy line could effectively search an area 66 x 50 miles. A four bouy pattern was usually one in the center and three on a circle around it. And yes, ship dropped bouys were a thing when aircraft were not available - I did use them. Mk48s could be outrun, I did it on AUTEC. Also, until ADCAP they had real difficulty with surface targets. Same issue with Tigerfish - why the Belgrano ate Mk 8s. Prairie Masker worked beyond our wildest dreams - more lessons learned on AUTEC. Soviet and NATO ASW were two very different worlds - pretty much mirror images. We learned our lessons in mid-ocean blue water, they learned in shallow arctic waters, and what worked in one often did not work in the other. Our focus was on narrowband, theirs on broadband. Much was learned after the wall came down, they were far ahead of us on MAD and broadband.

[@jaelwyn]

Wondering if part of why MAD was so effective there was the ability to generate a "background map". Since anomalies occur naturally due to ferrous deposits in the ground, etc, I would think that having a map of all known / expected strengths would let you spot an "anomalous anomaly" much more reliably?

[@benovision6325]

Bathythermal layers which can reflect sounds. Sonar: lofar difar and fm chirps, you no mention MAD and dunking sonar or barra.

[@TheAddanz]

Also Air Independent Propulsion does change the Diesel Electric game. It allows AIP diesels a lot more flexibility in using their diesel generators and makes AIP Diesels substantially more dangerous and hard to detect, they can charge the batteries without needing to be near the surface or otherwise use fuel cells which can generate electricity without needing external oxygen

[@MrLosbandos]

Video was pushed to my feed within 1 minute, fantastic, thanks Cap! Merry Christmas everyone.

[@grimreapers]

Yeh Sea Power is REALLY helping me out.

[@TheAddanz]

Active sonar is like Active radar, activating it will give the enemy a really good idea where you are if not an exact position .Also the same thing applies as radar, they'll hear you long before you get a return on their position. Basically you should be very sparing with active sonar and use passive sensors or airborne sources to preserve your stealth as much as possible. It's better to use things the submarine can't shoot at to find and kill it.

[@jaxompol224]

Should drop a noise maker when you turn and accelerate as it makes a knuckle in the water. It's a defensive move if potentially being fired at.

[@dinmorsamushimushi]

18:33 poor whales. Imagine yourself hearing something unusual , high as hell.

[@havocsquad1]

Oh, Sea Power definitely can be enjoyable in player vs player multiplayer, the problem is people don't understand how to develop the proper scenarios for it. I've played a lot of such scenarios back in early 2000s and it did work just fine. Just don't expect to be doing a scenario crammed with large CVBG vs CVBG with +100 missiles in the air at the time and all other crap going on at the same time. The game has issues handling that now in single player.

[@TheNotoriousENG]

I was chuckling at first about how silly it would be to launch a sonobuoy from a ship… if there is a sub within range, you’re already dead. But it could be interesting if you were in a setting where you were concerned there was a sub trailing you. Of course you’d want to delay the activation of the buoy in such a case.

[@grathian]

I used it effectively on a number of occasions. LOFAR bouys could be monitored from 2-12 miles away and would see what the ship could not because of water conditions. Ocean temperature gradients create blind zones in very interesting patterns. Especially in the 80s subs were not the wonder weapons civilians think they are.

[@keithjacobson9427]

Holding down the Alt key while dropping sonobuoys, you get a more widely spaced pattern, I think.

[@grimreapers]

thx

[@bennynordgren]

Question for Pony, What is your take on the Gotland Class (Swedish Submarin) ?

[@Emma-i9x]

29:55 shouldn't cavitation also destroy your propeller slowly?

[@jaelwyn]

Amateur radio operators have all sorts of fun "playing games" with atmospheric effects like ducting (probably the cloest analogue to a thermocline). Among other things, while theh can interfere with reception "across layers", it can also channel signal (thus "ducting") to let you get past the horizon, because it can bend to follow the curvature of the earth. Also, anything that would show up on a weather radar _may_ interfere with other types, although I would expext that to depend heavily on frequency interactions. But something like a sandstorm seems like it would be fairly "opaque" to almost everything, given that the ground is rather infamously difficult to see through with anything that will reflect from metal...

[@FleetDefenderRA5]

Thank you for this class.

[@rotteneggs29]

Prairie Masker is the worst for hiding surface ships lol

[@jaelwyn]

Does Sea Power have anything related to SONUS, or is that out of scope / not relevant / still classified enough that no useful information is available?

[@JeffinTampa]

Great show, I'm very excited about this sim, it might be cheap enough for me to afford as a disabled old man. Thanks for all the info, better than all the movies put together. Keep em coming Supercap we love your show.

[@MattJones675GR9]

What sim is this please Cap ?

[@TheNotoriousENG]

“Sea Power” beta is available on Steam

[@grimreapers]

Also, the game name is always written at the end of the video name.

[@dinmorsamushimushi]

You couldn’t find Swedish Gotland class subs.

[@stephennelmes4557]

No, but they can't circumnavigate the globe submerged at 30+ kts either.

[@bennynordgren]

@@stephennelmes4557 Never meant to have that ability.

[@grathian]

More a matter of the task force commander arrogantly dismissing a threat he actually could counter quite effectively. I've worked as part of a carrier screen on many occasions.

[@Ron-ec3tl]

Isnt that cute. this "ASW" fella thinks he can sink a submarine. poor fella will never even get close.

[@TheBlackbird]

First......this still a thing?

[@mfreed40k]

Not since 2006. Stop.