2030's Australian Carrier Group vs 2010's Chinese Carrier Group (Naval Battle 69) | DCS

[@julienbro7956]

please do iowa class vs. yamato class

[@grimreapers]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/bYuplWevgdGqraM

[@rubiconnn]

@@grimreapers I think there should be a rule that users have to search before posting a request. If someone's thought of it you've probably done it lol.

[@lightbenderga2017]

@@rubiconnn Not really something you can enforce in a YT comment section.

[@1337flite]

@@rubiconnn There should also be a rule that you have to do cursory research before you post a "simulation" even a therorectical simulation.

[@nic7048]

also the hobart other than there smaller missle load should be better than the burke in many areas. They have a fantastic decoy AUS system the US doesnt have and they have command and control capability that only the US cruisers have - one destroyer can see and direct the missles of another ship using its sensors , all that data fusion stuff , the burke cant do that

[@andrewsmall6834]

Great video, although a few notes, 1. The Anzac class has extremely modern AESA radar and comparing it to the Perry class is ridiculous. 2. The Australian ships will have replaced the Harpoons with the LRASM by that stage. 3. Australia would've used WAY more of the 72 F35As. 4. And finally by that stage the Australian F35s will be carrying the JASM which will decimate any fleet. However I do understand this is all extremely hard to model and I do still appreciate the time and effort you have put in.

[@DarthFetid]

that is what my uncle (ret. WO2) just said. now we are gonna sink some p!ss

[@winelive5500]

LRASM is for F35/Super Hornet anti-ship. JASSM-ER is more for stationary use. Naval Strike missiles are what are replacing harpoons on surface fleet

[@ingurlund9657]

Last I heard on hysterectamy's channel they always say converting the Canberras to carry F35B is impossible so they won't be doing it. He says it is possible but they don't want to spend the money so they just say it's not possible.

[@grimreapers]

Thanks, I'm a complete Aus noob.

[@FuckYouYouFuck]

@@grimreapers 5. The Canberra class cannot operate fixed wing aircraft.

[@NightWatch1337]

The F35 wild weasel ballet was impressive

[@jeffreyhill1589]

That's not wild weasel that's fucked ferret what was witnessed there. Absurd AI flying, it's improved a fair bit in the past year since I started watching DCS (stuck in the odd position of having way more than enough money to build an insane sim set up but I get super motion sick and also don't have the time to learn). It's actually pretty awesome all the money this game costs is getting put to use.

[@osuna3525]

When you max the oxygen knob and over-tighten your helmet you can do ANYTHING.

[@bearcatracing007]

Last info I could find for the F-35B for Australia was from 2019 and goes through the huge changes we would have to make to our ships apart from having to change the complete deck and ramp. By 2050 we will have crocodiles with fricken cruise missiles on their head!

[@grimreapers]

Sadly no crocodile mod in game :(

[@Guilhermetmfranco]

Hahahs

[@DarthFetid]

@@grimreapers nor emu's alas.

[@richardcostello360]

We DON'T have to change anything about the decks since this was based off a Spanish design that was specifically designed for F35 usage

[@bearcatracing007]

@@richardcostello360 the Australian government 2015 Defence White paper says otherwise, they would have to strengthen the deck as well as heat proof it along with a huge list of other modifications.

[@Smokeyr67]

CAP, might I suggest a more realistic scenario - The PLAN fleet consisting of 1 CV and 2 LHD’s, Half a dozen DDG and another half on FFG. The Australian naval assets could be 3 SSK’s, 2 SQN’s with 1 Hobart class DDG and 2 Hunter Class FFG’s (type 26) The RAAF assets - 3 E7’s 3 MRRT’s 6 P8 MPA’s 48 F-35 and a half dozen EA18’s Of course most of those don’t exist in DCS, so substitute them as you need

[@grimreapers]

Will investigate, thx

[@mcelravys]

There are definitely better analogues then the OHP. Even the RAN doesn’t use them anymore.

[@JM-sy6sb]

Bad tactics by human f35 pilots. 1. You don't try to dogfight with 8k bombs slung on your wings. 2. Try communicating with your wingman if he wants air ground then the other is air to air to clear the enemy airspace while atg hangs back. 3. If you concentrate on taking out the slower antships would conserve some sm2s which could be used for antiship. In regards to the game play, no respawn for the humans but have to RTB and reload if possible. If not, they have to land before respawning to add a little more spice.

[@totalnerd5674]

Well, both fleets are in shambles after that... Also, the Australian Canberra class and Hobart class are kinda sorta in DCS, in the form of the Spanish Juan Carlos 1 LHA and the Alvaro de Bazan Class Frigate, respectively (they are just license built copies, with some upgrades). However, I think they may have been unfinished, or are not working properly? I do remember their CIWS was a little buggy from one of your previous videos... Either way, good effort making this video.

[@TheRpg1964]

That is because our Navy (unlike our Air Force) won't buy off the shelf, they insist on messing around with systems and contracts that end up over budget, over time and don't work for years after acceptance.

[@totalnerd5674]

@@TheRpg1964 I was talking about the units in DCS being buggy Also, the Australian navy has made some recent efforts to improve it's design process, so I hear...

[@willwozniak2826]

Nice move on taking out the AWACS BOYS. I didnt know them F-35s had super super stealth speed... 😁

[@strambino1]

That is an interesting tactic, if one side refuses to engage in the air, the other side should still come up with a tactic to counter. No reason to be mad people, just remember for next time! Once again thank you reapers for the fun sims!!

[@ENGBriseB]

Never underestimate the collaboration between Australia the UK and America we will achieve what is needed and probably surpassing all our goals.

[@nathaniellazo5912]

20:42 That one F-35 Pilot with the one stabilizer fighting the entire fleet is a legend!

[@Eld0r89]

22:32 apart from OP stealth the Lightning can also do 14.1 G without ripping its wings. I have a feeling the mod might be a bit overpowered.

[@CT-5916]

The Oliver hazard perry class is the old FFGs that were Adelaide classes which were replaced by the Hobart class.

[@markredacted8547]

I know I am a year late but ANZACs replaced the Adelaide FFG, Hobart replaced the old Perth class DDG's do not believe wikipedia, the Aus gov didn't want to spend the money to replace the capability of the Perth class so thought of the ANZACs as a do everything to replace both FFG and DDG's as a cost saver, but they were never a replacement for the destroyers. That capability wasn't fixed until Hobart class was put in service 😉 cheers mate.

[@blacknwhitetruth7703]

I watched your Vietnam series last night and we got our ass kicked by the SA 2's and SA 3's but a great hour to watch

[@4evaavfc]

ANZAC. I think you underrated these much updated frigates.

[@osuna3525]

Aussie aggression is due to pure alcohol.

[@grimreapers]

One for engine, one for pilot.

[@player55redcrafter8]

In the future vids i'd like to see a fleet that had the combined doctrines of all sides, they have heavily armed destroyers that are beasts in both surface warfare, AAW and anti submarine, they have nuclear submarines and have f-35 levels of carrier air wing.

[@JonnyBarmCake]

Another brilliant, informative and entertaining vid Cap. I have a request if I may? Do you think you could reenact the scene from Maverick, when he goes inverted with Rooster and then the mirror spiral dive? You would need 3 f18s as Mav is below when he flips between Hangman and Rooster. It’s my favourite scene in the film. Much love to you and the rest of the GR’s.

[@grimreapers]

Will try, it's quite cool.

[@5Andysalive]

Are there any plans to replace the hitpoints based ship damage with a more realistic damage model? I know this isn't too realistic but that's the biggest bummer.

[@grimreapers]

Yes but no idea when etc.

[@nathanfisk8067]

not a bad effort for a 'Defense Force'.... go Straya!!...

[@mcelravys]

Honestly, there are better, available, DCS analogues for the newer Australian ships than the OHP class.

[@rickjames18]

This episode shows us exactly what I have been saying for months, the J-15 cannot take off with a full payload of fuel and munitions. Chinese netizens often comment at the PLAN after this issue as they just don't have engines powerful enough. So, as this cannot tries to be as realistic as possible I would hope someone could verify this issue.

[@ProjectFlashlight612]

Sail on into glory, HMAS Scott Morrison!

[@jonctr]

Great action - I see you've played knifey spoony before !

[@grimreapers]

lols

[@grantswinbournephotography]

Any reason why you didn't use teh L61 Juan Carlos as an analogue for the Canberra class, since this is actually what they are IRL?

[@grimreapers]

Yup just messed up here.

[@nic7048]

yeah how could you make that mistake , the Canberra IS the Juan carlos class all they did was make the vehicle deck much bigger and reduced the Hanger storage and Aviation fuel and thats it there the same except mostly for that

[@cg9952]

that missile bounced off a handrail!

[@grimreapers]

lol

[@pahtar7189]

DCS has the F-35 doing 9-G turns so much they'd be falling apart.

[@Nightwatch-et9hb]

Just watched this video., know I'm late in commenting, but love your "Ozzie" accents, As to how the F35's being so aggressive, that's just the Ozzies in general. They can really get busy when annoyed.

[@jameslanning8405]

Spain... Yes Cap, not all in Europe, is tea and crumpets! I don't think the Spanish even drink tea! "Barbaric!"

[@simonyoung1265]

Aussie Aussie Aussie..oi.oi.oi That's how we roll...starrya mate

[@EpicThe112]

Try doing the same with the Izumo Japanese Navy carrier group vs the Chinese Navy Carrier group. Izumo uses F-35B like the Her/His Majesty's Australian Ship Canberra if fitted to use F-35B

[@71Chris]

Interesting Aussie ascent

[@PhinfanUK]

Repeated use of the name “Aztec” instead of “ANZAC” is probably the worst thing I’ve ever seen on this channel, which is an incredibly good effort.

[@firemantim9601]

1. Australia is developing the F-28 Wild Wombat, looks funny but very deadly...... 2. The new Seagull Missile will really piss of the Chinese but essentially not do much

[@andrewvolf2916]

War games would be appropriate venues for ruthless aggression. If we were seppos, ruthless aggression would be a part of primary school.

[@e734127803]

Amazing fight

[@JohnH1]

OK, I'm not in the military so maybe there is a reason I don't understand, but why is it that the Australian F35s can't refuel and get back into the fight? Also if I were the person in charge of the Australian strike group I'm pretty sure I would have made the Chinese carrier the primary target.

[@DeyRtRu]

How about Royal Navy 2010 vs Spanish navy 2023.

[@jylerr.]

You should put the entire u.s. 7th fleet and a french and British combined carrier strike group against The entire Russian navy (or the ship that are available that are in the 4 navys

[@maddslothii2532]

A fully armed Zumwalt vs a Arleigh Burke flight 3 could be cool

[@charlienash1050]

Can you do an Iran related battle too? Thanks

[@grimreapers]

Will try.

[@jadeagles20]

The problem is the AI F35’s got destroyed by infinite respawning humanoids….because of the lag on the Lianoing. Not really fair. Also Oliver Hazard Perry’s are garbage they are all sitting in Philadelphia haha I see them everyday 😂

[@nic7048]

The US ones are garbage old tech but Australia had 2 of the very best Perry upgraded with SM2 and the frigate is more like a mini destroyer with that... they were sold to Chile in south america and even though there 30 plus years old they would be the 2 most powerfull and only mini destroyers in south america now, even brazil has no 100km plus range anti air missle in there Navy... chile was sure happy to get 2 fully upgraded 4500 tonne mini destroyers at a bargain price, they had good anti ship and anti sub capability as well, the duel launcher and little slow radar is the only weakness still a good fighting ship compared to what russia has and even china that used to only buy russian ships from the 70s and 80s

[@mrmoneyhacks5480]

Why wouldn't the F35s reload and take off again? This simulation was a complete waste of time.

[@corvanphoenix]

If you think we're getting the B, I definitely want what you're smoking. The "Canberra" class aren't equipped for aviation. Despite their Spanish cousins. It might not be possible to convert them for fixed wing aviation use. If it is, it's of course not known what that would cost. Personally, I think we should at least spend the money to find out what it would cost to convert one or both for fixed aviation. If so, I would want us to have basically light jets. Something economical, but can take off with at least some fuel & weapons.

[@nic7048]

arent equiped lol ohh really.... you know they could take US harriers tomorrow from the US if they wanted too, they never had the extra hot exaust and they use much less fuel , Canberra class has easily enough fuel and storage for 8 of them it just cant do 16 f35b;s that need 4 times as much. you need around 200 metre flight deck and the ramp for the f35 which Australia has , they could also use them too they would just need to land somewhere else as they would damage the deck if they land verticle from the heat thats it.

[@fluffybunnyslippers2505]

You all DO know that Australia has NO Carriers... Right? We have assault landing ships, not the same thing.

[@usa_infidel413]

You guy's should do human vs human 3 vs 3 that would be more accurate

[@ojaspatki772]

CAP please get the Indian Vessels working and the Brahmos ofc.

[@grimreapers]

Working on it. For some reason we have REAL problems getting Indian assets working in game :(

[@ojaspatki772]

@@grimreapers Thanks CAP waiting for the news!!

[@wowyzaoy]

desensitized generation of game chair generals without empathy, actualization nor realization of consequences. They say youth is the future. dang...

[@DimV95]

Shy we never get to see the first massive missile launch from the ships ???

[@Archer89201]

Radars failing to detect steath is realistic but not being able to lock with FCS radar or IR/EO at MK 1 eyeball range is ridiculous

[@ghostbike1]

do a repeat of the spain s armada against britain

[@castlekingside76]

The AI is not so dumb anymore

[@jakebennett4307]

Watching the AI get smarter over these last couple of months is actually a bit scary

[@mapuc]

In 2030 Fighter jets will have laser-Here it will be long range laser and short range.

[@Aikibiker1]

You really should cut down the ordnance the Chinese planes have. They cannot take off from their ski jump carriers with a full load out.

[@grimreapers]

I did check, and apparently these were all within the real life limits of the Su-33 for carrier ops.

[@Aikibiker1]

@@grimreapers the published limits maybe, but it doesn't match what video footage shows the Chinese operating with. Remember the Chinese lie about their military capabilities all the time.

[@bussolini6307]

@@Aikibiker1 no they don't, they actually downplay their capabilities, the russians overestimate their capabilities

[@nic7048]

@@grimreapers his right, china has huge restrictions on there load limites i think the J15 can only take off with half fuel and weapons 50% in ideal conditions. It was really a better than nothing carrier plane but is the worst of the worst worser than the super hornet china even claimed that in an online military article , its avionics and radar are inferior and they know it.

[@MichaelLittlefield]

To protect the trade line between Australia and China from China.

[@UnicornGamingRX03]

Could the entire RAAF take on a full S-400 network?

[@OzyWizard1973]

Wouldn't be the first time Australians have done something against the odds.

[@iainburgess8577]

Sounds about right, we can do cutting edge research, but run about 20 years behind on deployment/usage. So our 2030 stuff only manages parity W a 2010 model, at best.

[@ibd1977]

Australia has secretly developed the F35-EMU. A fighting force that will never be defeated.

[@grimreapers]

lol

[@TheRpg1964]

And cannot go backwards!

[@gigaboat]

And it carries up to 6 drop bears .

[@alexbittonagy4808]

Crikey, Damn right Mates!!!

[@ibd1977]

@@gigaboat ...and 2 fox2 Magpies.

[@djzoodude]

I'm really quite tired of watching videos where one side gets bugged, resulting in these incredibly uneven matches. If the damn carrier hasn't been launching planes for half the time because it's bugged, it's not a fair fight either way. I want to see a FAIR fight between these two. If the carrier gets bugged, the only logical thing to do is run the battle again. There's nothing interesting about the Chinese getting overwhelmed with numbers because their planes won't launch or the Australians getting overwhelmed with numbers because all their planes ran out of fuel and RTB'd, but won't take off again.

[@grimreapers]

You guys wanted the ships to be controlled by humans. I gave you that. Now you have to accept that things like this will happen with humans in control of ships.

[@djzoodude]

@@grimreapers um, why do we have accept exactly? Can't you just reset the server when this kinda thing happens? Really not understanding why a game bug should be allowed to dictate the entire outcome of a match.

[@TheEvilmooseofdoom]

@@djzoodude They don't have days to put in to making video's so they're not going to do it over and over just to appease a small number of whiny entitled twats. It is what is is, cope.

[@djzoodude]

@@flashgordon6670 ...right...

[@blademaster2390]

@@djzoodude you want a fair fight, but a 2010 CG vs a 2030 CG is not going to be fair at all. I mean, its stealth VTOL airframes and long-range AAMs vs nonstealth carrier airframes and medium range AAMs. If this same battle occurred in real life, this is pretty much exactly how it’d play out, with the 2010s CG aircraft getting absolutely annihilated by the tech of the 2030s CG, followed by the 2010s CG being bullied relentlessly.

[@timallison8560]

the ai sucks at the point it comes time to retreat and regroup, it seems completely unable to coordinate a second strike. once the australians had superiority of battle (chinese fleet out of defensive missiles) all f35s would have returned for rearmament. there is no way the chinese fleet beats a coordinated next wave of the re armed f35's (especially without their awacs) which delay the new attack to let the australian fleet close in first before attacking in a 50% non stealth ship strike.

[@Dragonman1OOO]

But in real life the Chinese ships won't be stupid to shoot most of their AA missiles on clearly cheesing targets!

[@mattking1437]

This is pretty unrealistic, but fun. Australia is actually helping the Americans catch up with Hypersonics, particularly Scramjets. Australia was the first country to develop a scramjet over 20 years ago and currently has the ability to 3D print them with a max velocity of Mach 12. Australia only talks about using them to deliver satelites into low earth orbit, but it is known locally that they are being developed within the Australian DSTO (Defence Science Technology Organisation) as missiles. A 2030 Australian naval/carrier group is likely to have hypersonic missiles. It should also be mentioned that Australia is also developing the MQ 28 Ghost bat. This is a fully autonomous (AI) stealth, multirole UAV. Pity these can't be modelled in DCS

[@DarthFetid]

can confirm... we need to run.

[@joshuahudnell7401]

Also the f35s would have been rearmed and refueled to finish the job.

[@rickjames18]

Well then thanks! Didn't know Australia was helping out with the Scramjets. Now if we could just make sure the CCP spies don't get their hands on the tech that would be great.

[@HTV-2_Hypersonic_Glide_Vehicle]

@Frank Sobotka 😶🤔

[@ENGBriseB]

Australia and the UK and America will have a hypersonic missiles very soon. Probably already have it. Never underestimate collaboration.

[@iceycokey]

The US department of defense holds annual wars games between China and the US, and the outcome is exactly the same, US coalition forces in the South China Sea simply cannot withstand overwhelming salvos of Chinese ASM’s and ASBM’s, they are only safe when they are out of range of their missiles

[@ex0duzz]

Not to mention the whole combined forces of the PLAN/PLAAF under said missile umbrella.

[@hughmungus2760]

lol. if even a fraction of that was modelled in DCS any naval battle with china is going to be a lopsided blowout. Right now they don't even have the YJ18s modelled for the chinese destroyers.

[@ericguerin8714]

DOD always loses when they engage any large enemy in mock battle. Bc that's how they get more resources. Not saying it's bad, bc it's not. Western nations will win in the end, but it won't be pretty!

[@iceycokey]

@@ericguerin8714 Scenario: US strike group gets sunk, US retaliates with missile strike on China mainland, China retaliates with missile strike on US mainland, US chooses to use nukes, China retaliates with nukes. No one wins

[@nic7048]

id love to know how war games and computer software knows the capability of the other side..... does china give you a ship to study? or you just guess and does the US give china a ship to study like a burke 3 ? never.... they base all there estimates on rough guesses, then you get what happens in ukraine with everyone saying Ukraine will fall in 1 week and then by april russia had lost a huge amount of tanks and was retreating in many areas. Im sure the middle east does war games with Israel on the computer that makes them feel confident but look at real world events and how easy israel has won every time , the war game wont show that....china has lost every single navy war in the last 300 years and the country has been around for 2000 plus years now your saying they can beet US allies when they could not beat france or the UK in 1850 even then the Uk was outnumbered

[@1337flite]

The ANZAC class frigate has been upgraded to very moden phased array radars, but are being replaced by Australian built versions of the Type 26 that willbe fitted with AEGIS combat systems and an Australian phased array radar. More like Alreigh Burkes than FFG7s, For god's sake RAN FFG7s had MK41 cells. Essentially all RAN vessels these days are specified to use the most modernd USN combat systems and sensors that are USN standard or better. So if you want to simulate an RAN battle group in the 2030s you can essentially use USN escorts, probably Arleigh Burkes. To be fair the hunter class are based on the Type 26, but they will have AEGIS combat systems, Australian phased array radar ( CEAFAR2) and Mk41 cells with standard and essm, so in terms of combat system and radar capability probably the latest Arleigh Burke is closest, althought the Arleigh BUrkeshave deeper magazines. The Canberra class can be simulated with the Spanish Juan Carlos class - because that is the same basic design. You're also leaving out the RAAF which is very well trained and equipped - maybe even optimised for naval strike, since the RAAF shares primacy with the RAN in Australian defence policy and our forward defense strategy. So you could expect F-35A, F/A18Es and F/A-18G, supported by E7s (wedegtails) and tankers in any major battle with the RAN in the asia region, and probably a lot of the Indian ocean. We have a lot of friends in this region, we have been supporting the region with defence for decades, soitis highly likely we could secure basing rights (Japan, Korea, Malaysia, Singapore) in the event of a conflict with China. Oh and Jindalee and P8s, as well as the Australian satellite capabiloty expected to come on line in the nesxt decade could have been expected to give us an information edge. Not to mention int and data from the 5 eyes agreement.

[@grimreapers]

thx

[@nichevo1]

@@grimreapers On a less sweeping note, there were AWACS in the air, but I neglected to notice, were there tankers?

[@dabo5078]

The major problems are the lack of VLS on the Australian Oliver Perry frigates. Even if they get modern radars, the fire rate of interceptors would not be good enough to take down a saturation attack of YJ-83Ks (basically a retired anti-ship missile superseded by the YJ-12K for the Chinese by this point). Also the PLAN won't sail a 2010 technology CSG with their training carrier (that is how they classify the Liaoning) to Australia for absolutely no reason so it isn't realistic to expect "ground based" crafts just because it is an already impossible scenario for 2010 ships, where almost half of which featured in this simulated fleet, are being phased for retirement to the coastguard as of now (and the remaining ships, the type 52c destroyers and older unupgraded type 54As, would be probably put on second line duties and most likely would never form an offensive naval task force). If they are fighting near Japan which is far more likely scenario you would see Chinese land based aircraft too with J20s which were put in service around the 2010s . Nor is basing rights with Malaysia or Singapore possible which view the Chinese more favourably than the US as of now (and also could be shown by them snuffing out Biden's' visit to build an anti Chinese coalition along with most of South East Asia even including the Philippines). Also I think the British Type45 would better simulate the Australian Type 26 frigate than Arleigh burke, since they are fare more similar in terms of displacement and weapon complement numbers.

[@rosedruid]

Would have been vastly different if the f35s had an internal ground attack option. Even a light load would have gotten through again and again.

[@MrKramersmash]

The f-35 can carry 2x 2000lb jdam internally according to Lockheed Martin

[@MrKramersmash]

As well as 2x aim-120s

[@edwinchavez1765]

Yeah, at that yeaur F35 will have de AIM260 and the NSM antiship missile, but is the limitation of the game

[@acemax1124]

No stand off weapons for the f35's even glide bombs would have been a more effective option.

[@Anarchy_420]

Request-- U.S. Carrier Fleet Rematch VS Russian Carrier Fleet! U.S. Carrier Fleet has Iowa Class Battleship and LHA Amphibious Assault Ship with F-35's and Helicopters! U.S. Carrier has half F-18's and half F-14's! Please have F-18's take off before F-14's Please have The Iowa Class Battleship next to The Carrier and Helicopters on Support Ships! Soon?😅👍

[@Anarchy_420]

Human Pilots-- F-18 Super Hornet's starting in flight👍

[@ojaspatki772]

Then how about let the Russians have 2 Kirovs, 2 Slavas, Ground based air support from Su57s, 3 of their latest frigates and a pair of guided missile corvettes. I am just trying to make it fair because if we take what you said against the Russian CG, the Russians are definitely toast😂

[@Jaxymann]

Considering by the 2030s the RAN would have added Aegis-equipped Hunter-class frigates with SM2s, quad-packed ESSMs & AGM-158 anti-ship missiles as well as LRASMs integrated onto F-35s with years worth of experience in their pilots, it would've been even more of a slinging than this

[@boredatsea]

Aegis equipped will also come with SM3 and SM6 as well as NSM and Tomahawk and the Hobarts and the new Hunters will come with Nulka

[@lmj06]

Im an australian, and i keep up with australian military news, especially when it comes to aircraft, i have not heard about the australian navy wanting or even considering F-35B's, and the currect landing deck we have cannot even support F-35's because it doesnt have the facilities and the deck itsnt syrong enough or made for fixed wing fighters. However I want to believe that the RAN is wanting F-35B's so if anyone has any information, or finds news about this then please send it through, id love to read about it.

[@Smokeyr67]

The RAN refitting the Canberra and Adelaide to accomodate fixed wing ops is a schoolboy (and this old farts) fantasy. It won’t happen the RAN don’t want or need F-35 B’s. The LHD’s will operate fixed wing drones, it the only non fling wing assets that they’ll deploy.

[@lmj06]

@@Smokeyr67 unfortunate, but i thought so

[@Fanjal]

The Canberra LHDs are basically the same ship as the Spanish Juan Carlos I and this is confirmed to support the F-35B, so it should be feasible.

[@VincentNajger1]

Hopefully we'll have something capable of launching F 35Bs by the 2030s

[@doemacmonkey]

Yes my understanding is that although the ship is based on the Juan Carlos - we elected not to harden the flight deck for f35s, so it could operate harriers but not f35s in its current state but could be upgraded in the future - I also don’t believe f35Bs are anything but a keyboard warrior’s dream for Australia - they are too different to the A model so would be considered a whole new class of fighter and the RAAF already didn’t really want multiple types beyond the super hornet,F35A mix they currently have. I suspect the closest we would get would be similar to the British carriers right now, with US marines flying off them as needed.

[@billdevitt4324]

Great match guys! It was thrilling and intense, from start to finish! Also, some really excellent flying/maneuvers by all! ☺ The only question that I had, was why the Lightenings weren't allowed to Rearm and Refuel or allowed additional waves of planes, as China was? And certainly appreciate the amount of work and time that it takes to produce these brilliant simulations, Cap & Crew! Thank you ever so much for providing hours of entertainment to a bed bound/wheelchair bound ol' fella! ☺

[@Tigerdragon2]

Came to say pretty much the same things. Well done, gang!

[@darwinism8181]

Australia only has a very, very limited number of F-35s and honestly they are extremely unlikely to acquire even as many as used in this. As for why they can't rearm/refuel... probably not modeled with these ships in DCS.

[@Tigerdragon2]

@@darwinism8181 Look, knowing the Aussie government (ie. mine), I'm surprised we don't still have piston driven front line fighters. ;)

[@darwinism8181]

@@Tigerdragon2 I mean, for the cost-conscious military the F-35 is kind of objectively a bad choice even with the incredibly messed-with 'fly-away' price that gets bandied around (which is only so low because they assume that a) it's gonna last 66 years and b) they can accurately predict costs that far out). It's really expensive to buy and to fly! But, honestly, there's not a really realistic world where Australia gets into a major conflict that doesn't include the US, and I think that's the impetus for getting so incredibly few 'modern' aircraft. More and more countries are basically accepting that they're accessories to the US war machine rather than independent forces.

[@grimreapers]

Aus had exactly the same amount of planes in this as China. Aus deployed MUCH earlier. It was a strategic error.

[@corvanphoenix]

Also, surprised you didn't model us with the NSM &/or the LRASM. Both will be on our ships & aircraft in 2030.

[@jamison884]

They aren't in DCS as far as I'm aware. Basically, anything after 2005 is 50/50 at best of actually being available in DCS, even as a mod.

[@grimreapers]

I wish I could.

[@corvanphoenix]

@@jamison884 Thanks! I appreciate it, it's the sort of thing I didn't know, I can't afford DCS :)

[@AllTradesGeorge]

Would have been interesting to see how things would have turned out if the Chinese carrier hadn't gotten bugged and held a bunch of fighters until after the Aussie planes had gone dry and RTB. It's not a given that they would all have gotten chewed up as fast as the initial group, but there definitely would have been far fewer missiles coming at the Aussie fleet... That said, this illustrates the value of holding a force in reserve.

[@grimreapers]

Yes I think it's a valid tactic.

[@rosedruid]

Could the air or ground option have lifted off short take off style with that kind of load?

[@grimreapers]

Good question, no idea.

[@daviddoyle982]

G’day from Down Under! Looking forward to this! ☺️

[@tonyswan6834]

RAAF baby, never underestimate...

[@Gunni1972]

"i didn't know spain was so Hostile to us" Naval History lessons required, cap. Admiral Nelson would turn in his grave.

[@grimreapers]

The problem I learned about history is there is just too much of it to learn...

[@mrlodwick]

Capt hip is on fire with arthritis's - but i got this vid beer and co-codamol's , love on ya.Tim

[@Chio_OB]

Excellent fun! Love Matrix being so cool driving a school bus, and Grump as always! Loved the mindset I may lose the battle but all shoot Armchair, lol

[@chriscroumbie-brown6914]

Gents - Don't try those Accents if you come to Australia - You WILL lose more than a Wing !

[@chriscroumbie-brown6914]

@@TeenTeenFpv Another Hint - No Aussie drinks Fosters - would have to be the Last Beer left in the Pub that's surrounded by Floodwaters with a lot of angry Crocs swimming around in it before we would be THAT Desperate ! - And then we would be counting the Crocs and thinking we could still make it past them !!!

[@rednaughtstudios]

Given the last time an Australian LHD deployed to assist Tonga recover from their volcanic eruption, at least one LHD needs to breakdown with a total power loss at the worst possible time...

[@geofftottenperthcoys9944]

Yeah, still laughing at that!

[@andrewsmall6834]

Good thing the mechanical kinks would be worked out by then.

[@rednaughtstudios]

As long as no one develops a weapon that drops an eruptions worth of ash into the sea that gums up the cooling systems…

[@DarthFetid]

we don't talk about that.

[@sam_uelson]

sounds like we've got a kuznetsov

[@VincentNajger1]

As an Australian, this is quite interesting to me. It's quite a bit more likely to happen irl at some point in the future than most people realise, unfortunately. Australia is a country that has a smaller population than a lot of Chinese cities do.....we are massively outnumbered....but we have a lot of warfighting experience and intermesh with US and New Zealand forces totally smoothly. Without Australian coal, Australian farms and Australian iron ore....china's industry literally grinds to a halt and the population starves and freezes to death.....which, on its own, is a good reason to invade Australia if ever we cut them off completely, as it would be a matter of survival. Though, if it came down to actually trying to invade Australia....ha.....good luck with that. Edit: We demand a rematch naturally!

[@8wayspeed505]

You will own Nothing And you will be happy

[@MrSinnerBOFH]

For the rematch, the F-35s need to be able to refuel and go back to combat. One wing of Chinese fighters being saved until no more F-35s were flying was the turn of battle: in reality, they would have died just like the wing that took off, so no turn of battle at the end. Plus, Australian naval assets are way more modern than the ones shown in this scenario. Oh well, those explosions were fun.

[@nic7048]

a lot of chinese cities??? ohh can you tell me must one city in China that has more than 26.4 million people i cant think of one even tokoyo is smaller then that and mexico city and new york and beijing.... no need to make up stuff , most cities in china are in the 4-12 million range not 30 million

[@VincentNajger1]

@@nic7048 You're kidding right? According to travelchinaguide Chongqing has a population of over 30 million and the four biggest cities are all over 20 million residents. And that's just registered permanent residents....if you included all of the transient worker population, as well as all of the other people that don't get counted as 'permanent' residents, the populations would be way higher....and then if you take into account the city's surrounds and the smaller satellite towns that are regarded as part of the larger cities by the residents, but not officially, you are looking at massive populations that are massively greater than the population of Australia. I don't really understand the point you were trying to make anyway....or am I talking to one of those 50c army Wumao? What a strange thing to arc up about lol

[@terminusest5902]

The RAAF has a very capable mix of aircraft useful for long range strike missions. This includes AWACS, tankers, P-8 maritime warfare aircraft, F-18 Growler SEAD fighters, other F-18s, and F-35As. Australia is also developing a Wingman drone to carry weapons for long range strike missiles. Also, very long range MQ-4 Triton surveillance UAVs. Australia also has a very long range, over the horizon radar systems. And 6 submarines. By 2050 Australia should have 12 nuclear powered attack subs. Australia is looking for more advanced anti-ship missiles to replace Harpoons. And longer term plans for ultra long range anti ship missiles. All of these assets provide a very well coordinated and effective, long range, maritime strike capability. And 3 AEGIS air defence ships. Much of this capability exists now. Also, intermittent satellite coverage over South East Asia. Including the South China Sea.

[@SoundzAlive1]

I think that is a good strategy to send only a small force to deplete the ammo of the enemy then send in your heavy weapons. André in Sydney

[@TBH-nu2so]

Can't emphasize enough how much the F-35 isn't "problematic". I swear upon my mother's soul that every single idiotic article you find about that can 100% be traced back to Pierre Sprey (a former Pentagon money pit who's only contribution to the Pentagon was suggesting the F-15, the most successful fighter of all time, be replaced with essentially a World War II-era jet fighter) saying some bullshit for Russia Today, a Russian propaganda channel that basically exists to suck off Putin 24/7. The F-35 is, and will be for a quite some time, one of the most lethal aircraft to ever grace the battlefield.

[@jiaxizhang3295]

How about 2040 Chinese Carrier Group vs 2000 Australian Carrier Group?

[@gctzx]

This is an hour of my life that I'll never get back. As others have said, my time has been wasted by insufficient research before the simulation and bugs. Just run the sim again without the bugs, and then post.

[@imgavster66]

29:37 Made me laugh

[@Marinealver]

Australia will have these Carriers by 2030? lol We all know the budget won't survive that long.

[@1998eclipse1998]

F35s made the china ships fire hundreds of anti-air and ran out but reloaded real fast that is odd but the other team didn't hardly fire any sm-2 but ran out quick an didn't ever reload. I would check into it because it doesn't seem right

[@Kastev30]

So how long does it take to reload the 20mm CIWS irl? If it takes something like 15+ minutes, is there really not something else ships could use that could be easily reloaded yet still be computer controlled? I'm not talking about like bringing back the 40mm Bofors or something, but at least those guns in WW2 could be very quickly reloaded.

[@M3PH11]

29:42 LOOOOOL. it is the pylons that ruin the stealth after all.

[@chrisgibson1934]

Australia now has Ai loyal wingman drones don't know if in service yet.

[@magical_catgirl]

Australian's a used to fighting. We learn it from fighting the drop bears.

[@everydreamai]

@48:10 I must go, my people need me

[@kmn9115]

Might as well give the Australian carrier group some lasers, particular weapons, railguns, and maybe throw in some giant robots 🙄

[@AlRizz187]

I love the number

[@__da_da_films___]

...Great new channel for me!!! So good!! ;-)

[@geofftottenperthcoys9944]

Shocking accents guys!

[@RobPaterson]

The Liaoning basically kept its anti-ship forces behind a defensive screen due to a glitch and then released them after all the anti-air F35s had run out of fuel. If not for that glitch, the Aussies would have done much better. That one glitch determined the game.

[@Rover200Power]

Plus all the twatting about getting shot down by CWIS instead of returning home and rearming.

[@peterb3075]

It would be interesting to see if there were subs from both sides lurking around plus the islands being used with surface to air missles as well .

[@Dragonman1OOO]

Well the glitch just made the battle a little bit more realistic, because that is a tactic some may use in real life!

[@doublebackagain4311]

It's a Shame you can't fit at least one anti-ship missile inside the F35 so it could sneak up & apply boom-boom to carrier

[@e_norrby]

Naval battle 69(noice)

[@grimreapers]

Approriate