2030's Australian Carrier Group vs 2010's Chinese Carrier Group (Naval Battle 69) | DCS

[@julienbro7956]

please do iowa class vs. yamato class

[@grimreapers]

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[@rubiconnn]

@@grimreapers I think there should be a rule that users have to search before posting a request. If someone's thought of it you've probably done it lol.

[@lightbenderga2017]

@@rubiconnn Not really something you can enforce in a YT comment section.

[@1337flite]

@@rubiconnn There should also be a rule that you have to do cursory research before you post a "simulation" even a therorectical simulation.

[@nic7048]

also the hobart other than there smaller missle load should be better than the burke in many areas. They have a fantastic decoy AUS system the US doesnt have and they have command and control capability that only the US cruisers have - one destroyer can see and direct the missles of another ship using its sensors , all that data fusion stuff , the burke cant do that

[@andrewsmall6834]

Great video, although a few notes, 1. The Anzac class has extremely modern AESA radar and comparing it to the Perry class is ridiculous. 2. The Australian ships will have replaced the Harpoons with the LRASM by that stage. 3. Australia would've used WAY more of the 72 F35As. 4. And finally by that stage the Australian F35s will be carrying the JASM which will decimate any fleet. However I do understand this is all extremely hard to model and I do still appreciate the time and effort you have put in.

[@DarthFetid]

that is what my uncle (ret. WO2) just said. now we are gonna sink some p!ss

[@winelive5500]

LRASM is for F35/Super Hornet anti-ship. JASSM-ER is more for stationary use. Naval Strike missiles are what are replacing harpoons on surface fleet

[@ingurlund9657]

Last I heard on hysterectamy's channel they always say converting the Canberras to carry F35B is impossible so they won't be doing it. He says it is possible but they don't want to spend the money so they just say it's not possible.

[@grimreapers]

Thanks, I'm a complete Aus noob.

[@FuckYouYouFuck]

@@grimreapers 5. The Canberra class cannot operate fixed wing aircraft.

[@mattking1437]

This is pretty unrealistic, but fun. Australia is actually helping the Americans catch up with Hypersonics, particularly Scramjets. Australia was the first country to develop a scramjet over 20 years ago and currently has the ability to 3D print them with a max velocity of Mach 12. Australia only talks about using them to deliver satelites into low earth orbit, but it is known locally that they are being developed within the Australian DSTO (Defence Science Technology Organisation) as missiles. A 2030 Australian naval/carrier group is likely to have hypersonic missiles. It should also be mentioned that Australia is also developing the MQ 28 Ghost bat. This is a fully autonomous (AI) stealth, multirole UAV. Pity these can't be modelled in DCS

[@DarthFetid]

can confirm... we need to run.

[@joshuahudnell7401]

Also the f35s would have been rearmed and refueled to finish the job.

[@rickjames18]

Well then thanks! Didn't know Australia was helping out with the Scramjets. Now if we could just make sure the CCP spies don't get their hands on the tech that would be great.

[@HTV-2_Hypersonic_Glide_Vehicle]

@Frank Sobotka 😶🤔

[@ENGBriseB]

Australia and the UK and America will have a hypersonic missiles very soon. Probably already have it. Never underestimate collaboration.

[@ibd1977]

Australia has secretly developed the F35-EMU. A fighting force that will never be defeated.

[@grimreapers]

lol

[@TheRpg1964]

And cannot go backwards!

[@gigaboat]

And it carries up to 6 drop bears .

[@alexbittonagy4808]

Crikey, Damn right Mates!!!

[@ibd1977]

@@gigaboat ...and 2 fox2 Magpies.

[@caricammcdonald9943]

I want to lodge a complaint. I have been addicted to your amazing battle videos for like 10+ hours and now I cant stop - absolutely brilliant. The commentary from the fighters in formation is amazing/ and just so well executed. Thanks...I think!!!!

[@NightWatch1337]

The F35 wild weasel ballet was impressive

[@jeffreyhill1589]

That's not wild weasel that's fucked ferret what was witnessed there. Absurd AI flying, it's improved a fair bit in the past year since I started watching DCS (stuck in the odd position of having way more than enough money to build an insane sim set up but I get super motion sick and also don't have the time to learn). It's actually pretty awesome all the money this game costs is getting put to use.

[@osuna3525]

When you max the oxygen knob and over-tighten your helmet you can do ANYTHING.

[@bearcatracing007]

Last info I could find for the F-35B for Australia was from 2019 and goes through the huge changes we would have to make to our ships apart from having to change the complete deck and ramp. By 2050 we will have crocodiles with fricken cruise missiles on their head!

[@grimreapers]

Sadly no crocodile mod in game :(

[@Guilhermetmfranco]

Hahahs

[@DarthFetid]

@@grimreapers nor emu's alas.

[@richardcostello360]

We DON'T have to change anything about the decks since this was based off a Spanish design that was specifically designed for F35 usage

[@bearcatracing007]

@@richardcostello360 the Australian government 2015 Defence White paper says otherwise, they would have to strengthen the deck as well as heat proof it along with a huge list of other modifications.

[@rosedruid]

Would have been vastly different if the f35s had an internal ground attack option. Even a light load would have gotten through again and again.

[@MrKramersmash]

The f-35 can carry 2x 2000lb jdam internally according to Lockheed Martin

[@MrKramersmash]

As well as 2x aim-120s

[@edwinchavez1765]

Yeah, at that yeaur F35 will have de AIM260 and the NSM antiship missile, but is the limitation of the game

[@acemax1124]

No stand off weapons for the f35's even glide bombs would have been a more effective option.

[@djzoodude]

I'm really quite tired of watching videos where one side gets bugged, resulting in these incredibly uneven matches. If the damn carrier hasn't been launching planes for half the time because it's bugged, it's not a fair fight either way. I want to see a FAIR fight between these two. If the carrier gets bugged, the only logical thing to do is run the battle again. There's nothing interesting about the Chinese getting overwhelmed with numbers because their planes won't launch or the Australians getting overwhelmed with numbers because all their planes ran out of fuel and RTB'd, but won't take off again.

[@grimreapers]

You guys wanted the ships to be controlled by humans. I gave you that. Now you have to accept that things like this will happen with humans in control of ships.

[@djzoodude]

@@grimreapers um, why do we have accept exactly? Can't you just reset the server when this kinda thing happens? Really not understanding why a game bug should be allowed to dictate the entire outcome of a match.

[@TheEvilmooseofdoom]

@@djzoodude They don't have days to put in to making video's so they're not going to do it over and over just to appease a small number of whiny entitled twats. It is what is is, cope.

[@djzoodude]

@@flashgordon6670 ...right...

[@blademaster2390]

@@djzoodude you want a fair fight, but a 2010 CG vs a 2030 CG is not going to be fair at all. I mean, its stealth VTOL airframes and long-range AAMs vs nonstealth carrier airframes and medium range AAMs. If this same battle occurred in real life, this is pretty much exactly how it’d play out, with the 2010s CG aircraft getting absolutely annihilated by the tech of the 2030s CG, followed by the 2010s CG being bullied relentlessly.

[@Chio_OB]

Excellent fun! Love Matrix being so cool driving a school bus, and Grump as always! Loved the mindset I may lose the battle but all shoot Armchair, lol

[@JM-sy6sb]

Bad tactics by human f35 pilots. 1. You don't try to dogfight with 8k bombs slung on your wings. 2. Try communicating with your wingman if he wants air ground then the other is air to air to clear the enemy airspace while atg hangs back. 3. If you concentrate on taking out the slower antships would conserve some sm2s which could be used for antiship. In regards to the game play, no respawn for the humans but have to RTB and reload if possible. If not, they have to land before respawning to add a little more spice.

[@1337flite]

The ANZAC class frigate has been upgraded to very moden phased array radars, but are being replaced by Australian built versions of the Type 26 that willbe fitted with AEGIS combat systems and an Australian phased array radar. More like Alreigh Burkes than FFG7s, For god's sake RAN FFG7s had MK41 cells. Essentially all RAN vessels these days are specified to use the most modernd USN combat systems and sensors that are USN standard or better. So if you want to simulate an RAN battle group in the 2030s you can essentially use USN escorts, probably Arleigh Burkes. To be fair the hunter class are based on the Type 26, but they will have AEGIS combat systems, Australian phased array radar ( CEAFAR2) and Mk41 cells with standard and essm, so in terms of combat system and radar capability probably the latest Arleigh Burke is closest, althought the Arleigh BUrkeshave deeper magazines. The Canberra class can be simulated with the Spanish Juan Carlos class - because that is the same basic design. You're also leaving out the RAAF which is very well trained and equipped - maybe even optimised for naval strike, since the RAAF shares primacy with the RAN in Australian defence policy and our forward defense strategy. So you could expect F-35A, F/A18Es and F/A-18G, supported by E7s (wedegtails) and tankers in any major battle with the RAN in the asia region, and probably a lot of the Indian ocean. We have a lot of friends in this region, we have been supporting the region with defence for decades, soitis highly likely we could secure basing rights (Japan, Korea, Malaysia, Singapore) in the event of a conflict with China. Oh and Jindalee and P8s, as well as the Australian satellite capabiloty expected to come on line in the nesxt decade could have been expected to give us an information edge. Not to mention int and data from the 5 eyes agreement.

[@grimreapers]

thx

[@nichevo1]

@@grimreapers On a less sweeping note, there were AWACS in the air, but I neglected to notice, were there tankers?

[@dabo5078]

The major problems are the lack of VLS on the Australian Oliver Perry frigates. Even if they get modern radars, the fire rate of interceptors would not be good enough to take down a saturation attack of YJ-83Ks (basically a retired anti-ship missile superseded by the YJ-12K for the Chinese by this point). Also the PLAN won't sail a 2010 technology CSG with their training carrier (that is how they classify the Liaoning) to Australia for absolutely no reason so it isn't realistic to expect "ground based" crafts just because it is an already impossible scenario for 2010 ships, where almost half of which featured in this simulated fleet, are being phased for retirement to the coastguard as of now (and the remaining ships, the type 52c destroyers and older unupgraded type 54As, would be probably put on second line duties and most likely would never form an offensive naval task force). If they are fighting near Japan which is far more likely scenario you would see Chinese land based aircraft too with J20s which were put in service around the 2010s . Nor is basing rights with Malaysia or Singapore possible which view the Chinese more favourably than the US as of now (and also could be shown by them snuffing out Biden's' visit to build an anti Chinese coalition along with most of South East Asia even including the Philippines). Also I think the British Type45 would better simulate the Australian Type 26 frigate than Arleigh burke, since they are fare more similar in terms of displacement and weapon complement numbers.

[@daviddoyle982]

G’day from Down Under! Looking forward to this! ☺️

[@timallison8560]

the ai sucks at the point it comes time to retreat and regroup, it seems completely unable to coordinate a second strike. once the australians had superiority of battle (chinese fleet out of defensive missiles) all f35s would have returned for rearmament. there is no way the chinese fleet beats a coordinated next wave of the re armed f35's (especially without their awacs) which delay the new attack to let the australian fleet close in first before attacking in a 50% non stealth ship strike.

[@Dragonman1OOO]

But in real life the Chinese ships won't be stupid to shoot most of their AA missiles on clearly cheesing targets!

[@AustNRail]

The introduction of an Australian submarine would really change this up.

[@iceycokey]

The US department of defense holds annual wars games between China and the US, and the outcome is exactly the same, US coalition forces in the South China Sea simply cannot withstand overwhelming salvos of Chinese ASM’s and ASBM’s, they are only safe when they are out of range of their missiles

[@ex0duzz]

Not to mention the whole combined forces of the PLAN/PLAAF under said missile umbrella.

[@hughmungus2760]

lol. if even a fraction of that was modelled in DCS any naval battle with china is going to be a lopsided blowout. Right now they don't even have the YJ18s modelled for the chinese destroyers.

[@ericguerin8714]

DOD always loses when they engage any large enemy in mock battle. Bc that's how they get more resources. Not saying it's bad, bc it's not. Western nations will win in the end, but it won't be pretty!

[@iceycokey]

@@ericguerin8714 Scenario: US strike group gets sunk, US retaliates with missile strike on China mainland, China retaliates with missile strike on US mainland, US chooses to use nukes, China retaliates with nukes. No one wins

[@nic7048]

id love to know how war games and computer software knows the capability of the other side..... does china give you a ship to study? or you just guess and does the US give china a ship to study like a burke 3 ? never.... they base all there estimates on rough guesses, then you get what happens in ukraine with everyone saying Ukraine will fall in 1 week and then by april russia had lost a huge amount of tanks and was retreating in many areas. Im sure the middle east does war games with Israel on the computer that makes them feel confident but look at real world events and how easy israel has won every time , the war game wont show that....china has lost every single navy war in the last 300 years and the country has been around for 2000 plus years now your saying they can beet US allies when they could not beat france or the UK in 1850 even then the Uk was outnumbered

[@willwozniak2826]

Nice move on taking out the AWACS BOYS. I didnt know them F-35s had super super stealth speed... 😁

[@__da_da_films___]

...Great new channel for me!!! So good!! ;-)

[@cuz129]

Such great entertaining chatter! A group with great wit and humor.

[@Jaxymann]

Considering by the 2030s the RAN would have added Aegis-equipped Hunter-class frigates with SM2s, quad-packed ESSMs & AGM-158 anti-ship missiles as well as LRASMs integrated onto F-35s with years worth of experience in their pilots, it would've been even more of a slinging than this

[@boredatsea]

Aegis equipped will also come with SM3 and SM6 as well as NSM and Tomahawk and the Hobarts and the new Hunters will come with Nulka

[@Smokeyr67]

CAP, might I suggest a more realistic scenario - The PLAN fleet consisting of 1 CV and 2 LHD’s, Half a dozen DDG and another half on FFG. The Australian naval assets could be 3 SSK’s, 2 SQN’s with 1 Hobart class DDG and 2 Hunter Class FFG’s (type 26) The RAAF assets - 3 E7’s 3 MRRT’s 6 P8 MPA’s 48 F-35 and a half dozen EA18’s Of course most of those don’t exist in DCS, so substitute them as you need

[@grimreapers]

Will investigate, thx

[@mcelravys]

There are definitely better analogues then the OHP. Even the RAN doesn’t use them anymore.

[@billdevitt4324]

Great match guys! It was thrilling and intense, from start to finish! Also, some really excellent flying/maneuvers by all! ☺ The only question that I had, was why the Lightenings weren't allowed to Rearm and Refuel or allowed additional waves of planes, as China was? And certainly appreciate the amount of work and time that it takes to produce these brilliant simulations, Cap & Crew! Thank you ever so much for providing hours of entertainment to a bed bound/wheelchair bound ol' fella! ☺

[@Tigerdragon2]

Came to say pretty much the same things. Well done, gang!

[@darwinism8181]

Australia only has a very, very limited number of F-35s and honestly they are extremely unlikely to acquire even as many as used in this. As for why they can't rearm/refuel... probably not modeled with these ships in DCS.

[@Tigerdragon2]

@@darwinism8181 Look, knowing the Aussie government (ie. mine), I'm surprised we don't still have piston driven front line fighters. ;)

[@darwinism8181]

@@Tigerdragon2 I mean, for the cost-conscious military the F-35 is kind of objectively a bad choice even with the incredibly messed-with 'fly-away' price that gets bandied around (which is only so low because they assume that a) it's gonna last 66 years and b) they can accurately predict costs that far out). It's really expensive to buy and to fly! But, honestly, there's not a really realistic world where Australia gets into a major conflict that doesn't include the US, and I think that's the impetus for getting so incredibly few 'modern' aircraft. More and more countries are basically accepting that they're accessories to the US war machine rather than independent forces.

[@grimreapers]

Aus had exactly the same amount of planes in this as China. Aus deployed MUCH earlier. It was a strategic error.

[@mrlodwick]

Capt hip is on fire with arthritis's - but i got this vid beer and co-codamol's , love on ya.Tim

[@lmj06]

Im an australian, and i keep up with australian military news, especially when it comes to aircraft, i have not heard about the australian navy wanting or even considering F-35B's, and the currect landing deck we have cannot even support F-35's because it doesnt have the facilities and the deck itsnt syrong enough or made for fixed wing fighters. However I want to believe that the RAN is wanting F-35B's so if anyone has any information, or finds news about this then please send it through, id love to read about it.

[@Smokeyr67]

The RAN refitting the Canberra and Adelaide to accomodate fixed wing ops is a schoolboy (and this old farts) fantasy. It won’t happen the RAN don’t want or need F-35 B’s. The LHD’s will operate fixed wing drones, it the only non fling wing assets that they’ll deploy.

[@lmj06]

@@Smokeyr67 unfortunate, but i thought so

[@Fanjal]

The Canberra LHDs are basically the same ship as the Spanish Juan Carlos I and this is confirmed to support the F-35B, so it should be feasible.

[@VincentNajger1]

Hopefully we'll have something capable of launching F 35Bs by the 2030s

[@doemacmonkey]

Yes my understanding is that although the ship is based on the Juan Carlos - we elected not to harden the flight deck for f35s, so it could operate harriers but not f35s in its current state but could be upgraded in the future - I also don’t believe f35Bs are anything but a keyboard warrior’s dream for Australia - they are too different to the A model so would be considered a whole new class of fighter and the RAAF already didn’t really want multiple types beyond the super hornet,F35A mix they currently have. I suspect the closest we would get would be similar to the British carriers right now, with US marines flying off them as needed.

[@AllTradesGeorge]

Would have been interesting to see how things would have turned out if the Chinese carrier hadn't gotten bugged and held a bunch of fighters until after the Aussie planes had gone dry and RTB. It's not a given that they would all have gotten chewed up as fast as the initial group, but there definitely would have been far fewer missiles coming at the Aussie fleet... That said, this illustrates the value of holding a force in reserve.

[@grimreapers]

Yes I think it's a valid tactic.

[@Eld0r89]

22:32 apart from OP stealth the Lightning can also do 14.1 G without ripping its wings. I have a feeling the mod might be a bit overpowered.

[@RobPaterson]

The Liaoning basically kept its anti-ship forces behind a defensive screen due to a glitch and then released them after all the anti-air F35s had run out of fuel. If not for that glitch, the Aussies would have done much better. That one glitch determined the game.

[@Rover200Power]

Plus all the twatting about getting shot down by CWIS instead of returning home and rearming.

[@peterb3075]

It would be interesting to see if there were subs from both sides lurking around plus the islands being used with surface to air missles as well .

[@Dragonman1OOO]

Well the glitch just made the battle a little bit more realistic, because that is a tactic some may use in real life!

[@nathaniellazo5912]

20:42 That one F-35 Pilot with the one stabilizer fighting the entire fleet is a legend!

[@Mariner311]

The FFGs were the Adelaide class - I spent 12 years flying off the Hazard-Perry Class with the USN, and bounced off HMAS Darwin during Desert Storm - we stopped for gas and grub. On frigates, were were OFTEN posted way out on the forward perimeter of any battle-group - for ASW work, and "missile sponge" duty as we joked.

[@ENGBriseB]

Never underestimate the collaboration between Australia the UK and America we will achieve what is needed and probably surpassing all our goals.

[@corvanphoenix]

Also, surprised you didn't model us with the NSM &/or the LRASM. Both will be on our ships & aircraft in 2030.

[@jamison884]

They aren't in DCS as far as I'm aware. Basically, anything after 2005 is 50/50 at best of actually being available in DCS, even as a mod.

[@grimreapers]

I wish I could.

[@corvanphoenix]

@@jamison884 Thanks! I appreciate it, it's the sort of thing I didn't know, I can't afford DCS :)

[@jiaxizhang3295]

How about 2040 Chinese Carrier Group vs 2000 Australian Carrier Group?

[@totalnerd5674]

Well, both fleets are in shambles after that... Also, the Australian Canberra class and Hobart class are kinda sorta in DCS, in the form of the Spanish Juan Carlos 1 LHA and the Alvaro de Bazan Class Frigate, respectively (they are just license built copies, with some upgrades). However, I think they may have been unfinished, or are not working properly? I do remember their CIWS was a little buggy from one of your previous videos... Either way, good effort making this video.

[@TheRpg1964]

That is because our Navy (unlike our Air Force) won't buy off the shelf, they insist on messing around with systems and contracts that end up over budget, over time and don't work for years after acceptance.

[@totalnerd5674]

@@TheRpg1964 I was talking about the units in DCS being buggy Also, the Australian navy has made some recent efforts to improve it's design process, so I hear...

[@M3PH11]

29:42 LOOOOOL. it is the pylons that ruin the stealth after all.

[@CT-5916]

The Oliver hazard perry class is the old FFGs that were Adelaide classes which were replaced by the Hobart class.

[@markredacted8547]

I know I am a year late but ANZACs replaced the Adelaide FFG, Hobart replaced the old Perth class DDG's do not believe wikipedia, the Aus gov didn't want to spend the money to replace the capability of the Perth class so thought of the ANZACs as a do everything to replace both FFG and DDG's as a cost saver, but they were never a replacement for the destroyers. That capability wasn't fixed until Hobart class was put in service 😉 cheers mate.

[@SoundzAlive1]

I think that is a good strategy to send only a small force to deplete the ammo of the enemy then send in your heavy weapons. André in Sydney

[@VincentNajger1]

As an Australian, this is quite interesting to me. It's quite a bit more likely to happen irl at some point in the future than most people realise, unfortunately. Australia is a country that has a smaller population than a lot of Chinese cities do.....we are massively outnumbered....but we have a lot of warfighting experience and intermesh with US and New Zealand forces totally smoothly. Without Australian coal, Australian farms and Australian iron ore....china's industry literally grinds to a halt and the population starves and freezes to death.....which, on its own, is a good reason to invade Australia if ever we cut them off completely, as it would be a matter of survival. Though, if it came down to actually trying to invade Australia....ha.....good luck with that. Edit: We demand a rematch naturally!

[@8wayspeed505]

You will own Nothing And you will be happy

[@MrSinnerBOFH]

For the rematch, the F-35s need to be able to refuel and go back to combat. One wing of Chinese fighters being saved until no more F-35s were flying was the turn of battle: in reality, they would have died just like the wing that took off, so no turn of battle at the end. Plus, Australian naval assets are way more modern than the ones shown in this scenario. Oh well, those explosions were fun.

[@nic7048]

a lot of chinese cities??? ohh can you tell me must one city in China that has more than 26.4 million people i cant think of one even tokoyo is smaller then that and mexico city and new york and beijing.... no need to make up stuff , most cities in china are in the 4-12 million range not 30 million

[@VincentNajger1]

@@nic7048 You're kidding right? According to travelchinaguide Chongqing has a population of over 30 million and the four biggest cities are all over 20 million residents. And that's just registered permanent residents....if you included all of the transient worker population, as well as all of the other people that don't get counted as 'permanent' residents, the populations would be way higher....and then if you take into account the city's surrounds and the smaller satellite towns that are regarded as part of the larger cities by the residents, but not officially, you are looking at massive populations that are massively greater than the population of Australia. I don't really understand the point you were trying to make anyway....or am I talking to one of those 50c army Wumao? What a strange thing to arc up about lol

[@4evaavfc]

ANZAC. I think you underrated these much updated frigates.

[@blacknwhitetruth7703]

I watched your Vietnam series last night and we got our ass kicked by the SA 2's and SA 3's but a great hour to watch

[@rednaughtstudios]

Given the last time an Australian LHD deployed to assist Tonga recover from their volcanic eruption, at least one LHD needs to breakdown with a total power loss at the worst possible time...

[@geofftottenperthcoys9944]

Yeah, still laughing at that!

[@andrewsmall6834]

Good thing the mechanical kinks would be worked out by then.

[@rednaughtstudios]

As long as no one develops a weapon that drops an eruptions worth of ash into the sea that gums up the cooling systems…

[@DarthFetid]

we don't talk about that.

[@sam_uelson]

sounds like we've got a kuznetsov

[@strambino1]

That is an interesting tactic, if one side refuses to engage in the air, the other side should still come up with a tactic to counter. No reason to be mad people, just remember for next time! Once again thank you reapers for the fun sims!!

[@terminusest5902]

The RAAF has a very capable mix of aircraft useful for long range strike missions. This includes AWACS, tankers, P-8 maritime warfare aircraft, F-18 Growler SEAD fighters, other F-18s, and F-35As. Australia is also developing a Wingman drone to carry weapons for long range strike missiles. Also, very long range MQ-4 Triton surveillance UAVs. Australia also has a very long range, over the horizon radar systems. And 6 submarines. By 2050 Australia should have 12 nuclear powered attack subs. Australia is looking for more advanced anti-ship missiles to replace Harpoons. And longer term plans for ultra long range anti ship missiles. All of these assets provide a very well coordinated and effective, long range, maritime strike capability. And 3 AEGIS air defence ships. Much of this capability exists now. Also, intermittent satellite coverage over South East Asia. Including the South China Sea.

[@rosedruid]

Could the air or ground option have lifted off short take off style with that kind of load?

[@grimreapers]

Good question, no idea.

[@cassius_eu5970]

7:35 that appears like an awfully ignorant thing to say given that China has a tonne of indigenously designed electronics, not to mention their modern ships and rockets are for the most part also indigenously designed. Their J-XXs Flanker versions have basically only the airframe left from Russia, while the internal systems have been modernised, plus equipment like the J-20 or Type 055 destroyers aren't "knockoffs" of anything either. Given that the US tends to cripple the export variants of its equipment, I'd be surprised if the Chinese tech wasn't superior to anything Australia could procure.

[@grimreapers]

I think is is accurate up to about say 2005, but since then they seem to have completely modernised and make completely new assets that are comparible or better than West.

[@anguswaterhouse9255]

I recommend sanboxx news video on weather the J-20 was stolen, its pretty clear given the convicted Chinese spy who said stolen F-35 data was used in the J-20 that it is stolen. And Australia doesn't produce much but when they do its pretty damn good, just look at the CEAFAR Radar on their ANZAC frigates.

[@anguswaterhouse9255]

Also their Su-35's aren't modernised from Russias versions, in fact its believed the J-20's AESA radar is based of the Su-35's

[@cassius_eu5970]

@@grimreapers Yeah in my comment I forgot that this is a carrier group from 2010, so a lot of the modernisation that China has done in the past 10-15 years wouldn't be reflected in that.

[@cassius_eu5970]

@@TeenTeenFpv Every country constantly steals military technology from each other, so that's nothing unusual. See for example the US stealing technology from Airbus and Rheinmetall in Europe.

[@zeroibis]

Exciting to see this but reminds me how much longer before the next ep of Carrier Command 2!?

[@grimreapers]

lol exactly 19 mins from now will be released

[@tony6834-h6h]

RAAF baby, never underestimate...

[@patrickelliott-brennan8960]

Oh dear God! That 'Australian' accent...I rolled my eyes so much I think I've got a knot in the nerves at the back of my eyes ;)

[@strambino1]

Love the carrier group sims cap!

[@TheKadaitchaMan]

Thanks for trying to do this scenario with what you have. I have to admit that watching an F35 fly into CWIS range was embarrassing. I just put my coffee down, sighed and gave up on this scenario at that point. Equally, watching a single harpoon not be intercepted by missile and then fly through dual CWIS cannon fire to strike and eventually sink the pride of the Chinese fleet? Traffic jam on their carrier And launching aircraft into the sea? That’s just comical. I’d definitely re watch a version of this scenario if it was presented with several kinks ironed out for both sides. Then we can settle with a good and proper dust up, not you know…this. So yes, thank you for attempting it. I was excited to watch however that just faded as I watched cluster after cluster.

[@Sardaukar240888]

Hey Cap any chance you could re-do this now that you have LRASM and/or JASM and potentially a better radar for the Anzac class (GR AESA)?

[@SuperJeb98]

The f 35s took off like spacecraft because they put full fwrd thrust and stayed hovering somehow 9:08

[@OZZY_MOZZIE]

this is accurate. RAAF member here, if you our friend we treat you well, if your enemy you'll quickly have you subscription to life cancelled

[@jonctr]

Great action - I see you've played knifey spoony before !

[@grimreapers]

lols

[@gctzx]

This is an hour of my life that I'll never get back. As others have said, my time has been wasted by insufficient research before the simulation and bugs. Just run the sim again without the bugs, and then post.

[@maxlin3442]

Hi Grim Reapers, I like your simulations, but I'd like to point something out: 1.the ideal anti-ship weapon for the F-35B will be external AGM-154 JSOW stealth glide bombs with BLU-111 , which has a range of 130 km

[@player55redcrafter8]

In the future vids i'd like to see a fleet that had the combined doctrines of all sides, they have heavily armed destroyers that are beasts in both surface warfare, AAW and anti submarine, they have nuclear submarines and have f-35 levels of carrier air wing.

[@geofftottenperthcoys9944]

Shocking accents guys!

[@Davros-vi4qg]

Boomerang 🪃 ECM on those Anti Ship Missiles 😉

[@osuna3525]

Aussie aggression is due to pure alcohol.

[@grimreapers]

One for engine, one for pilot.

[@cg9952]

that missile bounced off a handrail!

[@grimreapers]

lol

[@nateward3543]

Now Australia is getting SM2 and SM6's - let alone alll the other developments (155mm production etc etc etc) it'd be interesting to do a revisit. Australia's wedgetails and over-the-horizon radar stations would have a huge impact...

[@nateward3543]

oh... and include our nuke subs!!!! (we'd have a few even if borrowed, by mid 30's)

[@fatdoi003]

those F35B would burn the HMAS Canberra deck to a crisp

[@andrewsmall6834]

Not with a simple and easily applied deck coating.

[@JonnyBarmCake]

Another brilliant, informative and entertaining vid Cap. I have a request if I may? Do you think you could reenact the scene from Maverick, when he goes inverted with Rooster and then the mirror spiral dive? You would need 3 f18s as Mav is below when he flips between Hangman and Rooster. It’s my favourite scene in the film. Much love to you and the rest of the GR’s.

[@grimreapers]

Will try, it's quite cool.

[@mcelravys]

Honestly, there are better, available, DCS analogues for the newer Australian ships than the OHP class.

[@jeremyringma]

Tactically the AI went stupid shortly after the AWACs got taken down. Instead of returning to the carriers the F35's just flew circles until they got shot down or got sucked into the human player spawn area.

[@timblack6422]

It’s a great weekend!

[@PeterKelley]

The LHD's will probably never carry F35s. There has been a suggestion that a third LHD be purchased and carry F35Bs but I don't think that is likely. The more likely scenario is that the LHDs will carry Ghost Bat drones for air defence. I'd love to see something with Ghost Bats at some point.

[@kaitmmvi1744]

Hello cap, are you going to RIAT 2022 this year?

[@grimreapers]

Yup, massive GR public meet up on the Saturday. kzbin.info/door/ZuXjkFY00p1ga3UyCBbR2wcommunity

[@kaitmmvi1744]

@@grimreapers thanks mate

[@5Andysalive]

Are there any plans to replace the hitpoints based ship damage with a more realistic damage model? I know this isn't too realistic but that's the biggest bummer.

[@grimreapers]

Yes but no idea when etc.

[@Anarchy_420]

Request-- U.S. Carrier Fleet Rematch VS Russian Carrier Fleet! U.S. Carrier Fleet has Iowa Class Battleship and LHA Amphibious Assault Ship with F-35's and Helicopters! U.S. Carrier has half F-18's and half F-14's! Please have F-18's take off before F-14's Please have The Iowa Class Battleship next to The Carrier and Helicopters on Support Ships! Soon?😅👍

[@Anarchy_420]

Human Pilots-- F-18 Super Hornet's starting in flight👍

[@ojaspatki772]

Then how about let the Russians have 2 Kirovs, 2 Slavas, Ground based air support from Su57s, 3 of their latest frigates and a pair of guided missile corvettes. I am just trying to make it fair because if we take what you said against the Russian CG, the Russians are definitely toast😂

[@magical_catgirl]

Australian's a used to fighting. We learn it from fighting the drop bears.

[@doubleducks814]

Have you done the Destroyer USS Laffey supported by the Grim Reapers flight group?

[@chrisgibson1934]

Australia now has Ai loyal wingman drones don't know if in service yet.

[@Kastev30]

So how long does it take to reload the 20mm CIWS irl? If it takes something like 15+ minutes, is there really not something else ships could use that could be easily reloaded yet still be computer controlled? I'm not talking about like bringing back the 40mm Bofors or something, but at least those guns in WW2 could be very quickly reloaded.

[@thomasarmstrong3917]

Glad to know in another decade we'll be ready for last decade

[@akadacat]

"The Australians are aggressive today" Evryday mate. Lol.

[@johngodden4363]

Question. Why is a 2030 Australian Carrier group not equipped with LRASMs? US Congress passed a request by Australia in 2020 for 200 LRASMS ( at the time to be deployed from the F18f Super Hornets and at a later date from the Hobarts and the ANZACS. If this game has equipped them with these weapons we could have challenged a 2030’s Chinese Carrier group

[@everydreamai]

@48:10 I must go, my people need me

[@wind_runner6836]

There are not many problems with the F-35 anymore (compared to a few years ago) It actually is turning into a beast of a plane. Lots of American planes have issues, to begin with, just think of the osprey it was a disaster but now is just a great plane. The point is they work through the issues and usually turn into great planes.

[@lohrtom]

Awesome sea battle

[@Gunni1972]

"i didn't know spain was so Hostile to us" Naval History lessons required, cap. Admiral Nelson would turn in his grave.

[@grimreapers]

The problem I learned about history is there is just too much of it to learn...

[@AssadNizam]

The sidekick racks don’t fit in the b/c variants, correct? Does anyone actually fly with a gun pod?

[@rickjames18]

This episode shows us exactly what I have been saying for months, the J-15 cannot take off with a full payload of fuel and munitions. Chinese netizens often comment at the PLAN after this issue as they just don't have engines powerful enough. So, as this cannot tries to be as realistic as possible I would hope someone could verify this issue.

[@grantswinbournephotography]

Any reason why you didn't use teh L61 Juan Carlos as an analogue for the Canberra class, since this is actually what they are IRL?

[@grimreapers]

Yup just messed up here.

[@nic7048]

yeah how could you make that mistake , the Canberra IS the Juan carlos class all they did was make the vehicle deck much bigger and reduced the Hanger storage and Aviation fuel and thats it there the same except mostly for that

[@pahtar7189]

I think the Aussies would have been wise to send up several air-to-air F-35s then some air-to-surface then repeat, gradually shifting to more surface attack. That would keep some air defense for later Chinese spawns/launches while keeping pressure on the ships.

[@jameslanning8405]

Shouldn't the ships be moving at speed, to assist the takoffs of the aircraft?

[@grimreapers]

agree, but it's up to the admirals.

[@Then.72]

That’s what the British discovered with STOVL during the Falklands! During bad weather CATOBAR could not be used but vertical takeoff could so it doesn’t matter what’s happening during warfare the aircraft can takeoff and land

[@jameslanning8405]

@@Then.72 If I may say here, that in the past, a fully loaded (Bombs, fuel, ammo etc.), Harrier could not take off, "VTO," because it didn't have the power to lift itself off the deck without any forward movement. "The wings had to produce additional lift to get airborne." It's my understanding that the F35 is in the same boat... It cannot lift off, fully loaded, without some forward momentum, to produce additional lift. They are considered to be VTOL aircraft, when the loading is light. But not loaded heavy. Perhaps they get around this deficiency, by taking off with a light load of fuel, intending to meet the airborne gas stations and topping off.

[@Then.72]

@@jameslanning8405 that’s without a ramp VTOL not STOVL and the British had to drop weapons in the sea before landing until the pilots came up with the rolling landing

[@jameslanning8405]

@@Then.72 Well, I haven't investigated all the pros and cons. But I would think that even with a ramp, the ship should be moving with enough speed to add to the lift of the aircraft. Even US carriers, with a catapult, still put on the speed of the ship, to gain a headwind. And then they turn into the prevailing wind, adding more speed. I couldn't see a fully loaded single engine, F35, "with a ramp," getting airborne, without some forward momentum, provided by the ship itself. I really don't understand the need for a VTOL, or STOVL aircraft on American ships, when they have a catapult system. But if they are selling the aircraft to other countries, that don't have carriers with a catapult, then maybe... As you say, the pilots began to use rolling landings, and I only point out that by doing so, they were able to maintain "Wing Lift," properties of the flight envelope, to the deck. I don't see any real advantage to building the VTOL aircraft, like the Harrier or the F35. As such either of them in that configuration, are subsonic at all levels, except maybe a full nose down dive. Having but one engine, and the added weight of the VTOL design, lowers the capacity of the F35 more, by taking on added weight, that would be used for fuel or munitions, in another variant. To be honest bud, I'm not a fan of the F35 on any level. Yeh, they have stealth designs, but even your own flight tests in DCS World, shows that Stealth alone isn't enough to depend on in air to air combat.

[@Seventeeenth]

Im still waiting for that 1v1 with sock, hinds only.

[@chriscroumbie-brown6914]

Gents - Don't try those Accents if you come to Australia - You WILL lose more than a Wing !

[@chriscroumbie-brown6914]

@@TeenTeenFpv Another Hint - No Aussie drinks Fosters - would have to be the Last Beer left in the Pub that's surrounded by Floodwaters with a lot of angry Crocs swimming around in it before we would be THAT Desperate ! - And then we would be counting the Crocs and thinking we could still make it past them !!!

[@kmn9115]

Might as well give the Australian carrier group some lasers, particular weapons, railguns, and maybe throw in some giant robots 🙄

[@pahtar7189]

DCS has the F-35 doing 9-G turns so much they'd be falling apart.

[@mhelmreich1]

It turns out the F35s are actually very safe. People forget safety is a percentage thing. There are already a lot of F35s out and about. Their readiness is also very high. Especially for a fifth generation.

[@doublebackagain4311]

It's a Shame you can't fit at least one anti-ship missile inside the F35 so it could sneak up & apply boom-boom to carrier

[@mopeygoff]

Would be neat to do a Nimitz class 1980s carrier to defend Pearl Harbor in 1941 a-la 'the final countdown' film.

[@nathanfisk8067]

not a bad effort for a 'Defense Force'.... go Straya!!...

[@EpicThe112]

Try doing the same with the Izumo Japanese Navy carrier group vs the Chinese Navy Carrier group. Izumo uses F-35B like the Her/His Majesty's Australian Ship Canberra if fitted to use F-35B

[@jimmynegro1760]

In fact the lha and lhd class ships are designed have vertical take of jets on them harriers and f35b

[@joegutknecht2429]

Just a thought. If I'm Wrong someone correct me. I thought the f35 had hoover capabilities. So why would they all take off like that since it be faster. Along with that. If the 35s are on the back of the ship taking off in hoover style. Then on the front any other non hoover jets would be able to also start taking off. Also with the 35s taking off faster in hoover. Wouldn't it let the elevators go down faster to be able to bring up more jets faster as well.

[@firemantim9601]

1. Australia is developing the F-28 Wild Wombat, looks funny but very deadly...... 2. The new Seagull Missile will really piss of the Chinese but essentially not do much

[@heynow3788]

Top notch entertainment!

[@1998eclipse1998]

F35s made the china ships fire hundreds of anti-air and ran out but reloaded real fast that is odd but the other team didn't hardly fire any sm-2 but ran out quick an didn't ever reload. I would check into it because it doesn't seem right