Grinding the Faces of the Jaws on a Three-Jaw Chuck to Reduce Runout

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Keith Rucker - VintageMachinery.org

Keith Rucker - VintageMachinery.org

5 жыл бұрын

I had a three jaw chuck that after fitting a new back plate, I was getting more runout than I wanted. To combat the problem, I used a tool post grinder as an internal grinder to touch up the faces of the the three jaws in order to true them to the chuck.
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@austinwagoncompany
@austinwagoncompany 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Keith, I appreciate you taking the time to share what you've learned and how you go about addressing issues with me and all the know-it-alls on KZbin.
@stanervin6108
@stanervin6108 5 жыл бұрын
@J T OK, OK! Not necessary to yell! Jeez!
@thorsbyguy5121
@thorsbyguy5121 5 жыл бұрын
Hey Keith, another way to preload the jaws would be to place appropriately sized blocks between the angled nose flanks of the jaws and draw them together. This would preload the jaws against the scroll in the right direction and leave the gripping faces of the jaws accessible to regrind.
@j-man72b72
@j-man72b72 5 жыл бұрын
I was thinking you could use longer bolt heads on the jaw bolts and clamp down on a ring with them. And other ways to do it here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sKDJhGCbrLVnkNU If you need less runout kzbin.info/www/bejne/nXS4nH2vmbigmqM
@11zekim
@11zekim 5 жыл бұрын
Keith- This Rohm is adjustable. Loosening the three cap screws near the bore allows you to bump the scroll around with respect to the body. Look at the symbol stamped next to these three screw heads.
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision 5 жыл бұрын
Keith, If you take the outer three screws out of each jaw. Than make some snug fitting pins(or special screws with extended heads) in the counter bores that are long enough to chuck on a smaller ring on the inside of the pins. Than you can grind the jaws with the chucking pressure going in the proper way. I will bet you can get the run out even better than .0025".
@larryblount3358
@larryblount3358 5 жыл бұрын
Peter, What a great idea. I hope Keith does this. I would like to see the results. Both of you put out very informative videos.
@bcbloc02
@bcbloc02 5 жыл бұрын
I agree, I would put longer bolts thru the jaws and clamp down using them to simulate normal use.
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision 5 жыл бұрын
@@bcbloc02 After making this comment I even had a better idea. If, as you say use longer cap screws. Than make three tubular spacers that fit in the c-bores in the jaws and the screws can pass thru. Just bolt those on in place of the jaw screws. This could be done either with the outside or inside screws depending on what size your ring is. Or if you were grinding the ID of the jaws or the OD chucking out.
@bcbloc02
@bcbloc02 5 жыл бұрын
@@chris0tube If you put a ring in the back of the jaws you will grind your jaws bellmouthed. You want the force to the outside so you get max grip at the face of the chuck when holding parts. if the ring is bolted to the outer row then it would not be any further out than the face of the jaws so forces would be normal.
@cliffordarrow6557
@cliffordarrow6557 4 жыл бұрын
Interestingly in 2013, Keith did ground a 3 jaw chuck with the jaws in compression (vs expansion) using longer jaw screws. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pHKvf2OnfL-Vnbs
@bernardmauge8613
@bernardmauge8613 2 жыл бұрын
thankyou Mr Rucker, this was clear, fast and no annoying music. I will check my three jaws and correct if necessary.
@johndonlan5956
@johndonlan5956 10 ай бұрын
Keith, whenever you're doing any kind of grinding on your lathe you should cover the ways to protect them from grinding dust.
@gregoryl.4872
@gregoryl.4872 Жыл бұрын
Keith, an old timer taught me this technique many years ago when I worked in a tool room. Thanks for the refresher as I need to dial in my chuck. One other item he taught me is to place shop rags on the bed ways to collect as much of the grit as possible. It's a real pain to get all the grit off otherwise.
@bcbloc02
@bcbloc02 5 жыл бұрын
The results show that no one can argue that it isn't way better than it was before!
@midgetrace
@midgetrace 4 жыл бұрын
I have a 9 inch south bend and replaced the chuck exactly like you did. The machinist next door showed me how to grind the inside of the jaws just like you did. I used a Dremmel tool hose clamped to the taper attachment and wala! 30 years ago. May he rest in piece.
@Laura-wc5xt
@Laura-wc5xt 5 жыл бұрын
amazing how well you can seen spark shape...thanks Keith
@DocFuglyMark
@DocFuglyMark 5 жыл бұрын
As others here have suggested, replace the outer bolts with longer ones going through holes in a circular plate, that way the jaws can be placed under load with inward tension, not outward.
@jeffjones3040
@jeffjones3040 2 ай бұрын
CBN inserts and solid carbide boring bars are awesome for this!
@viscache1
@viscache1 3 жыл бұрын
It’s always nice when your chuck is “acceptable”...hats off ‘two thou!’ Again, and as always, thank you for filming and editing an informative and very interesting video. On our farm your videos are required watching because the average age of my tractor fleet is 54 years old with the baby being an ‘93 Case 1194 and the senior being a 1947 John Deere 440 track kit skidder. My cars and truck seem quite modern by compare but barely. My 60,000 sq’ barn was built about 110 years ago so I’ve spread out my shop and business in there. This means I hear grinding or squealing and find out what broke, watch a few ‘Rucker videos’, screw up my adventuresome spirit and go out to the metal shop and cast and machine a new one. You may appreciate that you’ve saved me thousands over buying new replacement parts!
@elsdp-4560
@elsdp-4560 5 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU...for sharing. Enjoyed.
@kevingrime5772
@kevingrime5772 5 жыл бұрын
Now you have ground it, filling the inside with carborundum dust you will have to take it all apart and clean it again!!! The dust inside will make the scroll wear faster and the run out will get worse quickly! A shop vac tube placed near the far end of the main spindle would have stopped this AND better for your lungs too!! K
@joeygonzo
@joeygonzo 3 жыл бұрын
and how is he going to talk while a super loud shop vac is on ?
@currentbatches6205
@currentbatches6205 Жыл бұрын
@@joeygonzo Suggest he shut up and add audio later.
@prebaned
@prebaned 5 ай бұрын
Glad it worked for you. Not would most would do but you made a improvement.
@johnwarkentinnikiskialaska8364
@johnwarkentinnikiskialaska8364 3 жыл бұрын
Nice job 👍
@alasdairdavidgray7316
@alasdairdavidgray7316 5 жыл бұрын
I like all your content, very useful!
@matthewhelton1725
@matthewhelton1725 5 жыл бұрын
Managed to sneak in first... You bring up a good point: If you can turn a part in one setup, then the chuck runout doesn't matter.
@xenonram
@xenonram 5 жыл бұрын
Chuck runout ALWAYS matters except when turning the entire circumference, the entire length of the part. Even in one op, the runout will still matter.
@KillItandGrillIt
@KillItandGrillIt 5 жыл бұрын
Great information please keep making these videos.
@sandrammer
@sandrammer 5 жыл бұрын
An interesting technique. One more method to use to solve a problem. Good video.
@1967Twotone
@1967Twotone 5 жыл бұрын
I like the technique you used in 2013 better but the results were similar so I guess it doesn't matter. Thanks for the video.
@donald_ts
@donald_ts 5 жыл бұрын
Cheers from Brazil, great job.
@jerrycoleman2610
@jerrycoleman2610 5 жыл бұрын
Keith, great video thanks for sharing.!.!.!.
@LambertZero
@LambertZero 5 жыл бұрын
You could've used shoulder bolts or something similar to preload the jaws in the right direction. Just put shoulder bolts in the holes for the bolts that hold reversible parts of the jaws and clamp onto a ring. It's actually very convenient comparing to solid jaws.
@Tom-ic7hw
@Tom-ic7hw 8 ай бұрын
thats a good idea
@kerrygleeson4409
@kerrygleeson4409 5 жыл бұрын
Always interesting thanks for sharing Keith 👍🍺
@ScottandTera
@ScottandTera 5 жыл бұрын
Cool video Keith. Happy belated Birthday
@HybridiHippo
@HybridiHippo 5 жыл бұрын
Even better might come if you swap outer jaw bolts longer and snug the ring behind the bolts. Either way nice content again. Enjoyable every time....
@mikekellam365
@mikekellam365 5 жыл бұрын
That was also my thought, along with making some blocks, drilled and counterbored to accommodate cap heads and properly clamping down the jaws as well as a compression ring.
@xaverbirrer3793
@xaverbirrer3793 5 жыл бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/pHKvf2OnfL-Vnbs Like so
@railfan439
@railfan439 5 жыл бұрын
Keith, if the speedometer shop can't fix the tach, take it to the airport where there is an aviation repair station. They can send it to a certified aviation instrument shop that can overhaul it. It appears to be a standard aviation tach anyway, and they aren't all that expensive for a certified used one. See you at the Bar-Z. Jon
@MetrologyEngineer
@MetrologyEngineer 3 жыл бұрын
3:50 Lol "when you turn it on you can see that grinding wheel is uh... grinding". Couldn't have said it any better myself. That's a nice tool post grinder you have there too I wish I had something like it.
@elcheapo5302
@elcheapo5302 5 жыл бұрын
I like the machining, but I love your dog! :)
@rogerdeane3608
@rogerdeane3608 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this tutorial. I need to realign my jaws as they are way out.
@BITTYBOY121
@BITTYBOY121 6 ай бұрын
Great job ! - Now I need to build myself a tool post grinder from an old AC motor and rig it up to straighten out my lathe chuck which has some serious runout issues !
@chuckwilkins1406
@chuckwilkins1406 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for posting. However, why not protect the ways while grinding? And load the jaws in the proper direction?
@ScottPankhurst
@ScottPankhurst 5 жыл бұрын
the whole lathe is going to be torn down for a rebuild before any serious use.
@paulmorrey733
@paulmorrey733 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Keith
@pieterbotes8938
@pieterbotes8938 3 жыл бұрын
I would also suggest that you place a damp cloth over the bed before you start the grinding process. Grinding grid is a killer.
@OperationAllOut
@OperationAllOut 5 жыл бұрын
Love the dog 🐕
@californiadreamin8423
@californiadreamin8423 2 жыл бұрын
Impressive 😊
@ActiveAtom
@ActiveAtom 5 жыл бұрын
Nice share from Keith. Hello puppy. Lance & Patrick.
@currentbatches6205
@currentbatches6205 Жыл бұрын
5:01 - And spreading grit all over the ways and chuck.
@oldschool1993
@oldschool1993 5 жыл бұрын
Use a stud and nut on your jaw bolts and then grip around a ring with the tension on the compression side- or use some wedges between each jaw- most 3 jaw chucks have the scroll wear on the compression side. so that's where you need to do the grinding. I did a Chinese 3 jaw and got it to less than 0.001.
@tom18181
@tom18181 5 жыл бұрын
I love that lathe
@handlebullshit
@handlebullshit 5 жыл бұрын
How about putting longer screws (with some bushings) in the outer hole of the jaws and use them to clamp a ring?
@BULLDOGG
@BULLDOGG 5 жыл бұрын
Was going to suggest the same thing.
@apollorobb
@apollorobb 5 жыл бұрын
I agree on protecting the ways .
@jeffren70
@jeffren70 5 жыл бұрын
Put in longer screws holding the jaws on so that they stick out a little. That will give you a ledge to clamp a ring down with the screw heads in the right direction for grinding.
@andyZ3500s
@andyZ3500s 5 жыл бұрын
It is about time someone said it.
@poppypuppy5372
@poppypuppy5372 5 жыл бұрын
use a large hose clamp on the inner jaw projection, then the tension is correctly applied in compression i.e. in the correct direction (inwards)
@polakis1975
@polakis1975 5 жыл бұрын
By “we” you mean you and your lovely dog, right?🤣
@lancebaltzley4770
@lancebaltzley4770 5 жыл бұрын
I love Elliott's new hair-do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@karlkemble2273
@karlkemble2273 Жыл бұрын
Simple way is to take about a 3" pipe x 2 1/4" (smaller for a smaller chuck) and mill 3 short slots on one end 120 degrees apart with your superspacer or whatever. Wide enough that your jaws protrude inside a little when you clamp on the slots. Now just run your grinder in there and clean them up. Took me about 20 minutes to come up with it and make. Works perfect. My own idea. It's easier than folks think
@jeraldware1518
@jeraldware1518 Жыл бұрын
Karl, would you please provide a picture of the completed ring? I can't visualize this tool. Thanks
@ikesquirrel
@ikesquirrel 2 жыл бұрын
The dog wondered who you were talking to.
@solaynevarez351
@solaynevarez351 4 жыл бұрын
Muy practico y sencillo ese metodo de mejora bastante aceptable del mandril excelente trabajo maestro
@evanpenny348
@evanpenny348 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for posting, but I have a question. The fact that the run-out is different depending on how far it is measured from the chuck indicates that either that the test piece a little bent, or that the jaws of the chuck are seriously misshapen. Misalignment of the head stock might also be something worth checking first (easy top do). Any thoughts?
@robertginther9248
@robertginther9248 5 жыл бұрын
Keith! For Shame! Learned from an old master machinist way back in 1963: Put 3 pieces of plastic,(we used nylon at the time), cut square or rectangular say 1 inch wide between each jaw. As you tighten down, the jaws contact the sides and are squeezed together as the teeth try to meet at the center. Tighten firmly & they will stay in place. If the grinder hits them in the process of truing the jaws, no mind; they just get cut away. Now you have true jaws with the proper alignment & tension as they have in machining use. Quick; accurate; simple. I always machined my 3 pieces on the mill together so they were exactly the same width. Just sayin'. Very good shows though. I like them a lot and eagerly await your country short cuts every week. I was trained by a machinist who could have been a nazi. Be within a ten thousands of an inch or do it over.
@edwinnel4704
@edwinnel4704 2 жыл бұрын
The jaws on my 9” 3 jaw chuck is warn at the front, and I so short stock has a lot of runout if I don’t use a steady or a tail stock. How would I go about milling them down? I take it that all 3 the jaws need to be the same height, how did you ensure that you killed yours flat? I haven’t been machining for long and any help would be appreciated thanks
@georgestone1282
@georgestone1282 5 жыл бұрын
Liked the video,long time viewer. Had to cringe a little when you dressed the wheel with no cover on the lathe bed and carriage. I usually remove one screw from each jaw and replace with all thread with a nut on the jaw surface to keep the jaw tight then use the all thread inside surface to tighten against a ring in normal compression. This pre-loads the jaws in a normal fashion. Good job,thanks for the video.
@vendter
@vendter 5 жыл бұрын
I ground my 6 jaw chuck in a similar way, but I was able to put spacers in the jaws and tighten the jaws inward, not outward like you did. I ended up with just a couple of tenths runout. If you can figure out a way to tighten the jaws inward instead of outward you might have better success.
@mcpheonixx
@mcpheonixx 5 жыл бұрын
I have a question Keith. Being that the inside surface of your jaws are now ground in, how about the outside portion of the jaws that you use to grip inside a piece? Are they " true " as well or do they have to be ground in as well ?
@pneumatic00
@pneumatic00 5 жыл бұрын
I don't own nor use machine-shop gear, but if it was me, I would loosen the bolts holding the chuck to your back plate and see if a few simple hammer taps would cure the runout. Next I would try removing the three bolts and rotating the chuck against the backplate. Maybe I missed it, but I never saw you indicate the chuck nor the backplate and I don't understand how you can say the workpiece has runout without checking the chuck & backplate.
@greybeard3759
@greybeard3759 5 жыл бұрын
I was going to suggest that but there's a taper between the chuck and the back plate so no sideways movement.
@pneumatic00
@pneumatic00 5 жыл бұрын
@@greybeard3759 I hear ya. That assumes the taper fit is 100% perfect. I still think I'd give it a shot to loosen, indicate, tap-tap-tap, only because you could be done in 3 minutes if it worked. 10 minutes if the chuck was rotated against the backplate (remove bolts, twist, replace bolts) The chuck-to-backplate bolts have some potential be slightly off because of the way they were center punched. Again, I could have missed it, but I don't recall seeing Keith indicate the diameter of the chuck to be sure there's no runout on the diam.
@greybeard3759
@greybeard3759 5 жыл бұрын
@@pneumatic00 Right you are, it couldn't hurt! .002" can hide in a lot of places, eh?
@cup_and_cone
@cup_and_cone 5 жыл бұрын
Looks like the dog got his summer haircut!
@veryoldtrialbiker4980
@veryoldtrialbiker4980 Жыл бұрын
good work, l like your accent!
@seephor
@seephor 5 жыл бұрын
Keith, I still think the problem all originated from the taper on the backplate being too large causing the chuck to not seat down completely onto it. Sure the bolts pulled it tight but it doesn't mean the bolts would align things. All it did was bend the backplate to conform to the chuck since the chuck is a larger, heavier piece of metal.
@geckoproductions4128
@geckoproductions4128 5 жыл бұрын
I think your partner needs to come to Camp Mikey in Texas for the summer. We'll teach him to be a ranch dog.
@thatoldbob7956
@thatoldbob7956 5 жыл бұрын
Keith you are a real machinist and I am enjoying your videos for years, thanks. In this particular case I think you’ve gotten better result if jaws were supported by inside pressure. As of now they are ground to their backlash.
@stanervin6108
@stanervin6108 5 жыл бұрын
Commented to the wrong video!
@RealNotallGaming
@RealNotallGaming 10 ай бұрын
real machinists DONT grind equipment ! hes a noob just buy new jaws if you have runout is because you used the chuck in the wrong way
@CatNolara
@CatNolara 5 жыл бұрын
Did you forget to cover your ways while truing/grinding? Also, idk anymore on which channel it was, but someone else had basically the same task at hand and he put some long bolts into the outer mounting holes of the jaws and then clamped on a ring between those.
@CatNolara
@CatNolara 5 жыл бұрын
Just went and looked for that video again, and I was stunned to find out it was actually one of your older videos kzbin.info/www/bejne/pHKvf2OnfL-Vnbs
@xenonram
@xenonram 5 жыл бұрын
That introduces its own issues without both ends being clamped tight. Maybe you could machine some spacers, so that the outside screws are tightening on the jaws.
@CatNolara
@CatNolara 5 жыл бұрын
@@xenonram yeah, that's sonething I considered too, would be definitely beneficial
@fristlsat4663
@fristlsat4663 5 жыл бұрын
I was wondering when you did the clean up video on the chuck and showed the runout. On a Rohm chuck I would expect the back recess and the jaws to be more concentric than that. It looked to me like the index recess was in the back cover plate, is it possible that you clocked the back cover plate when you reassembled the chuck? On a good name brand chuck like that I expect the final grinding is all done based on a fully assembled chuck, and on a good name brand lathe like that I would expect the backplate you made to be be very concentric with the spindle, so the only two variables I can think of are clocking the back cover plate on the chuck (the cover plate that holds the scroll in, not the back plate to mount it to the lathe), or the previous back plate was not concentric and the chuck had already been ground to fit that one.
@johnnyholland8765
@johnnyholland8765 5 жыл бұрын
Does your lathe have an electric feed like the Hardinge machines?
@rgmoore
@rgmoore 5 жыл бұрын
you could make a ring that has holes to line up with the jaw bolts and you could put the jaws under tension the other way for grinding.
@HawaiiGoesFishing
@HawaiiGoesFishing 2 жыл бұрын
This is intriguing. I wonder if a Dremel tool can be used as a tool post grinder for a mini lathe?
@MyTubeSVp
@MyTubeSVp 5 жыл бұрын
Drill and tap 3 bolts through your ring, let the threads stick out by half an inch, and insert them in the hex bolt heads of the jaws. This way you can tension the jaws in the right direction, and grind ALL the deviation out of the chuck.
@johnmartin2594
@johnmartin2594 5 жыл бұрын
No protection on the ways from dressing the wheel?
@AffordBindEquipment
@AffordBindEquipment 5 жыл бұрын
nor the inside of the chuck...
@kevinschlipalius5359
@kevinschlipalius5359 4 жыл бұрын
you don't do this cover over bed i
@normcook9335
@normcook9335 2 жыл бұрын
I end up using 3/8" alum flat bar pcs with slots cut in end to pinch the jaws. I wanted it to be clamped in normal position.
@PittsS2C1
@PittsS2C1 5 жыл бұрын
Scroll backlash? What if you reverse the jaws, direct clamping force inboard rather than outboard, then grind the jaw surfaces, which are now on the outer diameter? Return the jaws to normal position and retest. Love the channel.
@mattmanyam
@mattmanyam 5 жыл бұрын
I was having the same question... I am not a machinist, so just a thought experiment for me.... I suppose you'd be constrained by the "jaw thickness discrepancies (inner to outer)...?
@williamharris1302
@williamharris1302 5 жыл бұрын
Who's your buddy, there in the background?
@kiritvara257
@kiritvara257 5 жыл бұрын
Bit disappointed man of your caliber won't cover the ways.😭
@AbbeyRoad69147
@AbbeyRoad69147 5 жыл бұрын
What about outward-facing teeth?
@normanc5706
@normanc5706 5 жыл бұрын
Well, Keith Rucker, I thought you were a more precise engineer than that, preloading the chucks jaws in the wrong direction. !!!!!
@iamthetarget52
@iamthetarget52 5 жыл бұрын
On a side note ... I want to hear more about that Philmont Ranch Belt I saw in another video.
@DAKOTANSHELBY
@DAKOTANSHELBY 5 жыл бұрын
"Build Something Cool" tried regrinding his Chuck teeth on his last video, and it was a self proclaimed epic fail. Don't know why he would move from Atlanta to San Francisco of all places? Love his enthusiasm with his projects.
@gsdtdeaux7
@gsdtdeaux7 Жыл бұрын
Probably a dumb question but wouldn’t u wand to close the jaws all the way, grind the outside of the jaws so they grab that machined ring perfectly then do the inside? Or would that throw off the center line of the chuck spindle?
@RockingJOffroad
@RockingJOffroad 5 жыл бұрын
I don’t particularly like grinding with the pressure going outwards. last time I tried it I ended up with twice as much run out as I started out with. In your case it worked, so I guess it has its merits.
@MrLembnau
@MrLembnau 2 жыл бұрын
i guess with bolt on jaws you could take some some longer screws and make a ring with the bolt hole pattern and bolt it on top of the jaws and apply pressure inwards. i just would be careful with how much pressure. just a quick idea. edit: i scrolled through some comments and other people suggested similar things. should work
@blackdaan
@blackdaan 2 жыл бұрын
i cant get my new chuck run under 0,006mm, spindle runs perfect cnt see anything on my 0,002mm dail. i dont want to grind it lol any tips or advice?
@bobkelly2447
@bobkelly2447 5 жыл бұрын
Keith ! I suspect the 2 .5 thow run out is because your setup.... when you pressed the jaws tight against the ring they are pushing OUT, they should be pressing IN , not out ! to do that replace the back bolts on the jaws with long ones so you can press IN on another smaller ring... that should get you much closer to perfect !, for what it's worth keep it up ! love your videos ! even as it is, 2.5 thow is quite an improvement, and I'ed use it like that myself ! thanks ! Bob...
@MegaAndroyd
@MegaAndroyd 5 жыл бұрын
I think your dog is dropping hints.
@lindsayfog5246
@lindsayfog5246 5 жыл бұрын
isn't this exactly how to do it completely wrong?, the opposite face on the scroll is acting on the jaws opening instead of closing them. if you were truing the outside faces on the jaws yes, but nah this is ass-backwards and the reason it only halved the runout. I hope nobody else learns to do this. keith, you did a video on this in dec 2013 and explained how this is the wrong way to do it for the same reason, you did it the right way then pretty much
@xenonram
@xenonram 5 жыл бұрын
Did you listen to the video, or just spew b.s. without listening, or even using common sense? Since you know it all, why don't you let us all know a way to tighten the chuck inwards without obstructing the area you're grinding.
@lindsayfog5246
@lindsayfog5246 5 жыл бұрын
@@xenonram theres plenty of vids here on this, clamp the master jaws on to a small dia, or use hex key pieces in the inner jaw bolt heads onto a spider, actually look at keiths vid dec 2013 he does it better and explains how not to do it this way. but I'm sure you weren't really asking me how to do it really. I just think it's wrong to give out wrong info to thousands of people especially when theres no shortage of the correct method and explained in detail better available on the same platform. of course i watched the frikkin video, what are ya mate? '
@mqeqeshe1
@mqeqeshe1 5 жыл бұрын
I agree that clamping inward would be more likely to give better results, and Keith understands that as well. He actually mentions it in the video. Scroll chucks can hold a wide variety of diameters in several different configurations though, and they are not very repeatable across that range of sizes and setups. Even with the setup you describe it only makes the chuck have zero runout for the specific diameter at which the jaws were ground. Throw in a part that's larger or smaller and you've got runout again because the jaws are engaging a different part of the imperfect scroll. I'm of the opinion that with a new chuck you're better off fussing with the back plate rather than the jaws, but there are plenty of ways to skin a cat and this method Keith shows is certainly one of them.
@jonka1
@jonka1 5 жыл бұрын
Lindsay Fog I agree completly with you. All that for 1.5 thou improvement? No doubt Kieth's plaudits will rush to his defence as he cannot do wrong. Please respond so I know that I have not been blocked from commenting. Thanks.
@johncollins2037
@johncollins2037 5 жыл бұрын
You are totally correct, this is arse backwards, but people do it
@pieterbotes8938
@pieterbotes8938 3 жыл бұрын
Brother, have you checked whether the headstock is lined up to the bed before you do any grinding? In other words, is the spindle bore parallel with the bed? I would suggest you do this first before you do any grinding. I recently got a big surprise when I checked my lathe's headstock alignment - 0.2 mm over 700 mm.
@mrmyorky5634
@mrmyorky5634 Жыл бұрын
Interesting, Was it a Colchester Lathe? On some of the Colchester's that I've worked on the headstock is screwed down on to the flat machined bedways and there are a couple of jacking screws underneath the headstock and between the ways to give a bit of sideways adjustment. They are difficult to get at, usually clogged up with muck and can easily be missed.
@pieterbotes8938
@pieterbotes8938 Жыл бұрын
@@mrmyorky5634 No brother, it is a piece of Chinese trash. The Colchester is is a totallydifferent class - quality
@andywithers592
@andywithers592 5 жыл бұрын
Now, Ive been watching Keiths channel avidly for a couple of years and I’m sure the dog had more hair in the last cameo appearance... and if i'd been paying attention, I’d remember the name of the dog...ahem!
@johnapel2856
@johnapel2856 5 жыл бұрын
Interesting. I've never seen that done. Who is the dog? I don't remember him I remember a cat or two, but not a dog. Woof to him! Thanks.
@jim-me9wm
@jim-me9wm 5 жыл бұрын
Nice Dog
@lpabildgaard
@lpabildgaard 5 жыл бұрын
The back of the chuck is no running true?
@supermarine4900
@supermarine4900 5 жыл бұрын
Tror også at han fik lavet resessen for lille. Dvs. Den styrer ikke som den skal. Plus at man aldrig sliber en centrerpatron med bakkerne spændt den modsatte vej. 🙄
@user-pl9tu7tv3c
@user-pl9tu7tv3c Жыл бұрын
Hi Keith. I've been a welder and mechanic all my life. I really wanted to learn how to machine metal to build things so I bought a lathe and mill about 7-8 years ago and started learning. I can do things but am not that experienced. I see you as someone who has probably been running machines all your life and enjoys it. I have much respect for that. I watched your video on truing a 3 jaw chuck and am wondering why you didn't use some kind of way protection on your lathe to protect from the grinder dust? I do a lot of grinding and hear all kind of bad things on what the dust can do to your lathe and was wondering if you believe it is that bad. Hope you can find time to answer. No hurry. I enjoy your videos and am thinking about building a tool post grinder. Thanks Mark
@BigBoss-rh7zq
@BigBoss-rh7zq 5 жыл бұрын
cover the ways during that job could be a good idea...
@jamiebuckley1769
@jamiebuckley1769 4 жыл бұрын
why didnt kieth put a dial indicator on the chuck to check for runout on his back plate?
@jlg4880
@jlg4880 5 жыл бұрын
Are you gonna punch index marks on the chuck and back plate so that if they do need to be disassembled, they'll go back together with the same hole orientation?
@ScottPankhurst
@ScottPankhurst 5 жыл бұрын
they are numbered.
@jlg4880
@jlg4880 5 жыл бұрын
@@ScottPankhurst The jaws are numbered, not the chuck/back plate.
@briankitchen6686
@briankitchen6686 5 жыл бұрын
This is not a negative comment but a suggestion. Remove the jaw outer screws and replace with longer set screws and a nut to pull jaw down tight, then clamp on the extended setscrew with a smaller ring, this will put the jaw under compression/tension and will use the other side of the scroll surface. Unless you suspect the bearings on the lathe are worn.
@chuckhaynes6458
@chuckhaynes6458 5 жыл бұрын
Just wondering about the external jaw accuracy. If you were now to grip your ground piece of round stock and then grind the outside gripping surfaces of the jaws this might then be more accurate when spreading the jaws onto a ground ring. Then, with a rinse and repeat, the internal surface of the jaws could be ground. Time consuming yes … more accurate... quite possibly. Just an old toolmaker trick.
@johntaylor1947
@johntaylor1947 Жыл бұрын
I would cover the lathe bed before grinding.
@djfaber
@djfaber 5 жыл бұрын
Did you notice the run out on the wheel when you turned it on and off? Looks like the entire thing moves 1/8" or more.
@TrevorDennis100
@TrevorDennis100 5 жыл бұрын
Wasn't that just the belt pulling? It settles once the inertia is overcome.
@djfaber
@djfaber 5 жыл бұрын
Even if that was the case wouldn't that suggest that the bearings on the spindle are loose?
@ron827
@ron827 5 жыл бұрын
It might have been worth indexing the chuck on the backing plate to see if it might come closer to zero runout. Clamping a ring using the jaw screws would apply pressure to the scroll as it would be in use.
@FredMiller
@FredMiller 5 жыл бұрын
No dust covers especially with the tach hole open to the inside...? hmmmm
@johnmcdyer7297
@johnmcdyer7297 5 жыл бұрын
I was thinking about that also h,mmmm slipping always cover the bed , a few so called turners do exactly the same as if oh if it wears out they can just buy another one I for one hate that attitude
@honorharrington4546
@honorharrington4546 5 жыл бұрын
Keith. I hate to say this but I don't think your back plate is true/flat when the chuck is installed. I think your taper that aligns the chuck on the back plate is a fraction too large for an interference fit and when the bolts are tightened it warps the back plate. PLEASE test this because when you installed the tension ring it looked like the whole chuck was wobbling over 1/8". I am not a machinist and I didn't spend a night at a Motel 6, just wanting the best for you.
@jimbeaver3426
@jimbeaver3426 5 жыл бұрын
That's a logical deduction and I'd hoped Keith would've tested it.
@thompsonjerry3412
@thompsonjerry3412 5 жыл бұрын
Surprised you do not protect the ways from grinding dust.
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