Grip Revisited + DRILL: Alignment, Tug, and No Gos

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

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[@ToddsDiscGolf]

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[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Thanks Todd! We appreciate it greatly

[@Dubya1886]

I’ve watched this before but today on the course struggling to hit my normal max of 275ft I got frustrated and started going through this series again. I just realized I never actually tried the grip lock & feel the disc rotate out of your hand so I went and tried it and… man I’m getting a ton more spin now. What a drill to get the feel and really focus on grip! I can’t wait to go throw full force again to see the impact. Thank you Josh!!

[@jonjeans24]

It's kind of funny, but I stumbled across a Dave Dunipace video a few weeks ago called, "Pivot & Pop with Dave Dunipace" where he's talking about a lot of the stuff you guys have talked about in the last couple of videos. Pretty much staying loose until the last moment where you then switch into a tight grip. Anyways, I was drilling into the net and getting the actual tug feeling with my drivers that I had apparently not been getting. It's something I figured out with putters early on, but for some reason my brain didn't think I should do the same thing with drivers. I'm stoked to have another drill to mess around with in the field. Appreciate everything you guys do and all the work you do to create these drills for us. You guys rock!

[@connerwallace4997]

That first tip of starting with the index finger on top then tucking it down after you have placed everything else is huge for me. The grip feels really nice and more importantly I have an easy way to replicate it.

[@shawnkimball5019]

OK, I finally had time to try this in the field and I am stunned. Zero effort practice throws go way farther than they have any right to. It has completely changed my mental self talk when doing pre-throw routines. I knew it would be good for me, but I had no idea just how much! Thank you.

[@zqoop]

I think i finally found the one vid ive been looking for. This explains a lot. Will try drill tmrw after work!

[@gageweldon6557]

One of your best videos yet. The water in the bucket analogy is PERFECT. Thank you so much for the quantent.

[@markhumphrey8894]

Also silimilar is the brace. I walk through it instead of stopping. Great analogy with the water bucket. May be better than the whip analogy.

[@Papat0k]

This channel has always been awesome, and idk what's gotten into you folks lately, but you've been CRUSHING IT. The new deep dives and the way you've been organizing your drill and tutorial videos have been beyond high quality. Keep up the good work. This channel and the Patreon are an absolute go-to.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Appreciate that

[@DiscGolfShow]

After a five-year break, I have recently resumed playing Disc Golf and discovered this channel and its excellent playlist focused on developing the backhand throw. Among the various resources, this video has significantly facilitated my relearning process, especially in refining my throwing technique right from the basics. During a recent practice session in the field, I realized my grip on the disc was incorrect, contrary to my previous belief, highlighting a discrepancy between my perception and actual technique. This revelation underscored the importance of revisiting foundational skills for me. I must commend the exceptional quality of this video; it stands out as the premier instructional content of its kind on KZbin. This video has proven to be immensely beneficial. I am eagerly looking forward to supporting the creators by exploring their shop.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Thanks! All the best

[@XJaylord]

That wrist tip and the bucket just gave me my snap back. Bombs.

[@AlexAtterbury]

@overthrowdiscgolf, could you do a video on how to drive uphill (from the teepad)? Especially in controlling nose angle when you are inevitably going to be nose up. Maybe better to throw slower or less stable discs? Anyway, I suck at this and you're my only hope!!

[@JesusChangesEverything]

This might be the best drill/coaching point I’ve watched this year. Thank you!

[@davidfowler5762]

You're looking great! And as always, top tier content

[@haydenpalmer5037]

Thanks so much for sharing this. I went to a field yesterday to try it out, and the results were immediately noticeable. Really helped with snap, spin, and therefore distance. First time seeing a noticeable difference in distance after a drill. Thanks for all the useful content you guys put out!!!

[@wildcat31772]

Do you plan on doing more of the Pro slo-mo things like with Simon and Drew? Would be neato if you were able to get some of them pressure-detection thigns to put on their hand (fingers/thumb). Similar to what they put in shoes to see where pressure is applied doing explosive movements. Would be a cool way to track the grip strength beginning to end of the entire throw.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

I have been wanting to do this

[@trulsrohk9]

How about if they can get them to throw with the tech disc? The data!

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

@@trulsrohk9 even better

[@wildcat31772]

@@trulsrohk9 yeah for sure. Simon throws so effortlessly fast it's deceiving. Would be cool to get data on him.

[@metopro-lol]

I just have to say what a wild revelation this might be... I do exactly what you say in the "this is totally wrong" situation. I just took it for granted that this was not something I needed to work on... but here we are. Gonna try this later today!

[@davelopez9161]

Field tested your grip drill and, not surprisingly, it worked great. But, then I tried it with the forehand. Going on 3 years into this sport and my forehand is, well, not as bad as it could be and not as good as it should be. So, doing this grip drill, on the FH, felt really good and I was able to get my forehands to, at least, fly straight at what I was aiming at. Distance was about the same. Started releasing at the 3 o'clock position. again, Big thanks.

[@CornDogDG]

Thank you. I will practice this. Solid analogy with the bucket. Brilliant actually. I’ll stop by the shop and check your stuff out.

[@EricNentrupTheRed]

Having deja vu watching this bud. And not just because your insert about the store had you in the same shirt I saw you in this morning. Got it. Keep my wrist CURLED.

[@Theorose80]

Thank you! I felt the disc ripping out of my hand on rare occasion, and I have been wondering why am I not feeling that. You completely answered that by saying "Don't help the disc out of your hand". I don't think I've been letting go of the disc, at least not intentionally, but I was definetly not tucking in the wrist. The tucking in, and concentrating on keeping the hand closed, brough this feeling back. I definitely felt the tug! And I was able to continue feeling it while progressing into my regular "backyard throw with a putter". Result: I see way more spin on the disc than usual, and I hit the fence. That's a first! I am looking forward to practice this on the course and see if I can feel the tug while worrying about throwing the disc into the creek.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Nice!

[@chrisrhome6638]

The journey never ends at Overthrow

[@jacobmarsh4829]

Absolutely no joke, I've been power gripping for 6 of the 7 years I've been playing. Never really thought much more about my grip. I throw around 390-410ft. I tried getting my power grip how Josh does in this video and threw into my net and felt a lot faster. Took it to the field and threw 485' twice. pardon my french but what THE fuck. Headed to the online store now for this one.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Congratulations!

[@J-Swan]

Awesome video! Thank you for the fantastic advice!

[@chrisstapleton-ChalkPrintProd]

Mashed tater grip tip… That main light is casting some dark shadows on the eyes. Looking evil. 😎Appreciate the content!!

[@mantistoboggan4967]

Superb video - much appreciation for your awesome content. I practice disc golf much more often because of your videos - so thank you 👍

[@davelopez9161]

Hey. Something I discovered recently is that it is possible to change the playback speed of most youtube videos. It helps when watching form videos. Especially the ones that are "slow motion" already. Just click on the settings gear icon and select "Playback Speed" to adjust it. Then after hitting the pause button, use the cursor to step forward and backwards. The timeline slider is a red dot. Click on the rim of that dot to get minimum steppage.

[@Attilargh]

This is the video I've been looking for. Thank you so much. Two follow-up questions tho: How much do you adjust your grip for something like a putter, and could you do this same video for forehand? Love your stuff, cheers.

[@Cyloonian]

I would love! Love a slow-mo-disc-release-video! Stuff like the @theslowmoguys do! :D

[@Latitude30Four]

Your health journey is on point my man. Drop it. 🙆‍♂️🤷‍♂️🙇‍♂️

[@TheMakki]

I've started to develop a callous on my index finger just slightly in front of the first knuckle. This is from the disc ripping out of the hand instead of actively opening the hand.

[@TheGuccibane]

DUDE you're looking so good lately

[@chrisschuster9828]

Thanks Josh

[@jantmoen]

I did not know this... Thanks for sharing

[@davelopez9161]

Oh, and thanks for another great video.

[@JugheadJones03]

Thank you OT. Really appreciate your help. : )

[@liamsire]

Thanks. Heading out now

[@timlanigironu]

It was random, but I like bucket of water analogy. I've been trying to explain that concept to a newbie friend and he hasn't quite gotten it

[@omgimcalen]

loved watching this and i can’t wait to work on it in the field! it got me thinking about my fan grip though and how this would apply to a mid or back loaded grip if at all? is there a way to apply this to those grips or something to disregard because of the emphasis on accuracy and control?

[@franksfronk]

Well that's interesting! Also the bucket analogie sounds quite right. But stopping the extension at the hit does hurt in my neck and also I'm confused of stopping vs. follow through which seems to interfere!? Also it does not seem, that Pros do stop at the hit!? Do I misunderstood something? Thanks for your great videos anyways :)

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

You don’t stop during a full throw! Super important. Only to be done at slow speeds to feel the pivot

[@franksfronk]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf Thank you for the clarification!

[@TheTanahara]

I have an issue where I cannot get it to come out of my grip even with halfway griping. I dont get more than 300ft of distance so i dont think im generating any pivot. any thoughts?

[@konroh2]

If your hand is behind the disc at the point of release it can't help but come out.

[@rockinroyle]

Great video! Can this technique be used as practice for a forehand grip and release point? I know the mechanics out of the hand differ a lot from a backhand

[@philcaine3433]

Thanks!

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Appreciate it brotha!

[@JasonLawrenceJones]

Thanks for the videos! This might not be the appropriate place to ask this question, but I'm going to give it a shot anyway. Why is it that somedays I can throw 450ft with ease and other days it seems like I'm struggling to throw 350ft?? On the strugging days the discs seem to fade to the left way faster (right handed, backhand) and when I try to compensate with more anhyzer angle, my throw just feels weak. But on the days when I can throw good, I can get to 450ft with little effort, comparitively speaking, and it seems like I can get even my most stable discs to flip up and then fade much later in the flight? Probably not the easiest question to answer, especially without seeing my throws, but I thought since you coach many people, that you might have some insight into this really annoying issue.... Thanks again, peace!

[@backyardstrummer3856]

I'm obviously just some rando, but from my experience, your issues could be (from most likely to less) 1. Form not consistent 2. Overuse of arm and body, which may decrease arm speed and/or form 3. Climactic conditions. Some discs are going to fly different given varying temperatures and wind conditions. All things being equal, throwing more reliably overstable discs will provide you with more consistency, if not more thrills and excitement. Try for a more conservative game plan and put the more understable discs to the back and see how that approach works out. Maybe a more boring game, but I bet you're gonna find more consistency

[@Baddab25]

Ok so I am trying to rebuild my form after being stuck at 300’ for ~4 years. I love the teaching you guys do on here, very clear and informative. I had a question, how do you keep your wrist curled at the hit? I am trying everything and as soon as I get to the hit the wrist opens up. Is it simply practice over and over trying to keep the wrist curled?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Just don’t actively open and you should be ok

[@Baddab25]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf❤ thanks guys! On to step 2

[@joeblow2426]

This is really counter intuitive for someone who has thrown a frisbie (proper pre Wham-o spelling) most of their life. But I’ll give it a shot :)

[@retr0active]

Good stuff

[@kyndow7149]

So this is a cool drill, I've done things like it with people I try to help with their form. One thing that you didn't explicitly mention, but implied was that you can't be "mashing" on the disc for this. I would love you to give some clear recommendations for how hard to grip the disc during this drill. Also does this pressure need to change as you increase speed with the drill? What disc type do you prefer for this drill? You look like you're using a midrange or possibly a slow fairway initially. Thanks for the content you put out. Honestly this is the only channel I feel comfortable pointing people to without identifying videos to watch.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

You need more and more grip pressure to resist the redirect at higher speeds

[@ZeeK33NKS]

Can this still be done if your pulling in the down swing with your lead elbow? Is it a combo of pull then “jab” outward or just a jab out? Asking for a friend… haha

[@benharrison5816]

Been meaning to come back to this drill. Finally did it today, and I can already tell the disc has not been ripping out of my hand very well, so I'm going to spend some real time with this one. I noticed when I keep my wrist down (pour the coffee), I feel the disc ripping out harder/pivoting more. I think it's due to more finger surface area on the disc, so I was wondering if there was a correlation between nose angle and spin? i.e. I feel like nose-down throws also generate more spin, and vice-versa, and if the data supports that.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Not that I have seen personally but I’m also probably not the best guy on that front. But I have thrown mega nose down and generated very minimal spin

[@benharrison5816]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf Ah ok, appreciate the insight, maybe has to do with drag, I dunno. Either way, I do know from watching footage of my release that I've been throwing nose up without realizing it, so I think the drill and tweaking my grip a bit is gonna help me get a good release. Cheers!

[@spork_bender5407]

the mashed potato grip will reign supreme

[@AlohaVibes808]

Yes! More great content to digest! No more Water Bucket releases!! 😂

[@Corrigan65_]

Boss, quick question. Do you do this for mid-ranges as well nowadays? I throw mid ranges RHBH with modified fan. I saw you do that and it's my RHBH grip. LHBH is weird. Tried modified fan grip for the first time tonight on my kastaplast glow mid ranges. The fan grip... I just threw 3 gote and 1 svea but here's the thing. Seems like the RHBH transferred more than I thought. I thought I would lose a glow if I tried modified fan LHBH. The discs were wet but I heard that snap. 1 made it inside the star, but I was thinking, Grip doesn't matter yet LHBH on mid ranges. That's great news on a maiden experiment with the mid range grip you demonstrated in a prior grip clip. Give yourself, the 2 or 3 year ago Josh a fist bump.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

It depends on how I’m throwing the mid. I’ll do this if I’m driving with it and modify the grip a little bit.

[@DnBGolf]

Is that a Mint Sublime Bobcat in the Grip Alignment section?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

It was a ethereal pathfinder

[@VadAndensong]

I did the drill a bunch (indoors 🤫), and nothing really happened... I had no problem holding on to the disc. Then I watched in slow motion, tried to mimick the motion better, and after a few more tries the disc suddenly SHOT out of my hand and into my wall, causing me to exclaim "WHAT?!". Very excited to try this out on the field!

[@MCGIESEKE]

Thoughts on dropping the pinky off of the disc and only using a 3 finger grip? I've been throwing 3 fingers for years and hit about 380' and under with accuracy, wondering if I'm losing extra distance or anything else by doing this? I do it because it's more comfortable, but I would switch back if there's a good reason to learn to deal with it.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

I’m cool with it

[@EtherealProject3D]

When doing this drill and when throwing in a field or on the course I have noticed that the disc catches on my right middle finger and I never really feel the disk rotate out of my grip hand, is this normal or is a small change to my grip needed?

[@gwsmallwood]

Went out and played with this today. Should I be concerned if I wasn't really able to hold on to the disc from that one-leg deep pocket position? I couldn't hang on to the disc to the point that it flew behind me or anything. It was coming out pretty straight, no matter how hard I tried to hang on. That being said, I definitely think there's something to the wrist curl. I saw a lot of recommendations from people like Ezra and Paul Ulibarri who said don't try to do that. What I noticed today is that my wrist was starting out straight and opening up at the hit. I tried to focus on starting and keeping it bent and I think it added like 25' to my putter throws. Way more consistent releases. I also noticed after progressing to the second part that my wrist was straightening out during the reach back. I think I was just trying to reach back (or leaving my disc too far behind me). Stopped focusing on extension and focused instead on keeping that wrist bend, not turning my head early, and keeping the hand closed through follow through. Seemed to help a lot.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

You should feel the disc coming out of your grip / popping off your fingers

[@phengyang2929]

Can you advise on someone who has a shorter pointer finger. When I do your directions on how to power grip, my pointer finger cannot reach the bottom of the flight plate.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Build your group starting from the pointer finger

[@michaellazalde2406]

I have a question. Does keeping your wrist cocked when you start and finish apply to midranging and putting?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Starts but doesn’t need to finish that way for touch shots

[@michaellazalde2406]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf thank you!

[@officerJswat]

Does resisting the “tug” also apply to the forehand? I’m assuming so because I’ve been trying this and it feels like the way.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

I don’t think so?

[@officerJswat]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf okay, maybe I’m just out to lunch. I should clarify though, I meant in terms of opening the hand. I realize that is not very clear from my comment. Still actively snapping through with the fingers and wrist but letting the disc rip out my fingers as opposed to flinging them open. Is this a thing, or no?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

@@officerJswat ah. Yes. In that case

[@daltonthacker3749]

Does the grip losen to get it to release? I can’t tell if I’m gripping too tight. I’m younger with a lot of power. Don’t think I should have issues getting the disc to come out

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

It does. We’ve got a video on 200’ that would be good to watch just to get the explanation on that topic

[@daltonthacker3749]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf ok I’ll check it out, thank you very much. I’m trying to figure out what’s stopping me from being able to throw past 400’

[@daltonthacker3749]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf I watched your video talking about backhand grip and I think it makes more sense. I used your grip way too hard on my golf clubs too and left me with blisters. But I feel like I get more power in the disc with a tighter grip. Definitely something to play around with

[@daltonthacker3749]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf are you still doing 1 on 1 coaching?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

@@daltonthacker3749 Yep. Link in description

[@quinnparry1959]

Your store won't let me purchase being out side of US :( is there anyway I can get around this?

[@charlied904]

Is this most relevant for distance driving or also even for 220 ft gap lines?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

This is for drives not for touch

[@kimsahlberg2418]

Genuine question, if youre not popping the wrist at the end, shouldnt a straight wrist simply be equal in power as a curled one?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

If it’s straightened out as a result of the disc redirect, then I think it’s fine. They are more or less straight/lightly curled at disc ejection, but the point is to definitely not whip the wrist outward.

[@michelgleeson708]

Hey Josh and everyone at overthrow, thanks for this vid! One thing that I can't seem to figure out: when I try to time the hit and try to resist the tug, the disc doesn't rip out of my hand and I have no problem holding onto the disc - in fact, I don't even feel a tug at all. When I throw, I end up having to let go of the disc which causes a bunch of problems with everything else (spin rate/hyzer angle, etc). I'm throwing pretty fast (up to max 61mph) so I know it's probably not a speed thing. Any tips on how I can troubleshoot this? I feel like this is a major piece I'm missing to be able to throw far!

[@michelgleeson708]

Just went reading into the comments, I'll try to progressively get lighter on the grip and report back 🫡

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Yessir

[@michelgleeson708]

Update: I was experimenting with less and less grip strength to see what would work and from the right pec to the hit only needed about 20% the grip strength. Ended up feeling the disc rotate around my index finger for the first time ever and even had the disc eject behind me once into my neighbor's yard! Looking forward to drilling this in and seeing the results with my techdisc!

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

@@michelgleeson708 you found it!

[@discgolfchronicles]

hmmm have i been monkey pawing this whole time? i cant wait to give this grip a try! i know i have many flows in my form and flexibility but this one feels amazingly different and easy to replicate time and time again! Josh if you see this i am building a 9 disc bag to play a round off of only recommendations of youtube creators. Currently the bag is looking like a Wizzard, Pig, Zone, hex, Instinct, Stalker, and Pro Thunderbird. would you mind picking one more for the bag?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

I’d love to see you add something slightly flippy to that bag so I’ll go with a axiom Rhythm

[@discgolfchronicles]

@OverthrowDiscGolf right on! I will playing a wooded course so this will be a workhorse. Thanks

[@TimStarcraft]

Don't you release at least a little bit ? When I try it while gripping very hard I manage to keep the disc in my hand, sorry if this sounds dumb !

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

The slower the throw the lighter the grip will be.

[@TimStarcraft]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf Thanks for the answer ! Do you mean that I should lighten my grip while doing the drill to take into account the fact that my throw is slow ?

[@jasonmiller7800]

The release point/hit point/this is my biggest focus as of late. It seemed like no matter what I changed about walk up, timing, arm movement etc I would still throw the disc in inconsistent directions. Some of my best rips of a disc go crazily off to the right and I feel like its a grip lock ,but it's actually probably correct I just hit the release point wrong. This drill is going to help out tremendously

[@oddarntnes7079]

i am the same way. release point super inconsistent, but most other things are fine

[@tonyriedel4421]

It's more likely your lower body positioning. Release point isn't something you can really change with the arm to make it go right or left

[@Oeugh]

​@@tonyriedel4421so if my shots go to the right but theyre flat, does that mean im opening up my hips too early?

[@tonyriedel4421]

Watch pros throw their feet are not in line with the line the disc goes on. Slingshot and Joel Freeman both have videos on their channels about how you need to have your feet lined up 10 to 20 degrees off the line you are trying to hit. I get comments on my throw how I look like I am aiming left but the disc goes straight

[@darthvegan435]

I'm exactly the same way, feels great coming off my hand and goes 50-70 feet farther, but way to the right...

[@jakestephenson33]

If the disc isn't fully ejecting (mine stops at my index finger, the rest it snaps away from) what does that mean?

[@shoepenguin]

Man, I don't know if I do this wrong or what. Are my fingers too strong? Is my arm strength too weak (probably)? Point being, if I ACTUALLY try to keep hold of the disc with JUST the forearm extension, I DO. Goes nowhere, stays in my hand. I can whip that back and forth all day as hard as I can (setting up the grip as indicated). Can most people not? If I loosen my grip a little, it'll come out, but I'm not sure i'm "supposed" to - you said the "goal" was "hold on", so I'm not sure which I should be doing? If I do the full reachback-pullthrough, I can't hold onto it; it goes basically straightish. I mean wobbly and like 15' into the ground, but straightish. Feels bad either way. I am more or less a total newb (been trying to develop technique for only a few months), so I ASSUME your advice is spot on and that the issue here is with me - this is a genuine question: what am I supposed to be learning here? Are you saying I shouldn't actually intentionally open my hand when i throw for real, or is this just for this drill? Is the key point don't open the wrist at all? I'm finding with a full reachback and pullthrough, my wrist opens a bit whether I want it to or not. Sorry, just not sure on the key points/intention. Would love to hear from anyone who knows what this is about and/or can speak to the above...

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Start with a super loose grip and then progressively increase while doing the drill and report back

[@shoepenguin]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf - oh hey, thanks for the reply. I tried it a bit more, loosening and tightening the grip. If I'm JUST doing the arm extension, I have to barely hold it for it to come out (sloppy, not firm). If I put in just a little torso rotation, it'll rip out. Got a few to go behind me, but not consistently. I'll practice this some more; see if it helps - I think the grip and wrist positions are part of my lack-of-spin problem.

[@claytonmitte5960]

Do y’all notice a major difference in natural angle of release (hyzer vs anhyzer) or nose angle at release with a 2 finger vs 4 finger power grip?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

I have not. But I also have not looked for it specifically.

[@claytonmitte5960]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf loving the new video today!

[@Kioti-uq4ju]

I would think keeping the wrist curled through release would lose speed vs letting the wrist snap to straight or beyond. I will have to try it and see.

[@crackfacekilla]

When done at full speed (full reach back, power pocket, and brace), the force vector is so immense that it should open your wrist up without even thinking about it. This drill is meant to exaggerate that feeling so that it becomes muscle memory during a full throw.

[@nochruto]

So are you saying during this drill, do not follow through with the wrist? Kinda feels weird keeping the wrist bent the entire time

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Don’t actively break the wrist into the hit

[@bravo_ks]

So, to clarify, the wrist stays firm at the hit and doesn't flick through it correct? I bring this up from others always saying the wrist is the last part of "the whip" and that makes me assume it flicks like a whip through the throw Love the content as always too ❤

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Correct

[@DG_ADK]

I don't know if this question will make sense, but: The lead elbow should or should not push past the shoulder

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

It should

[@DG_ADK]

​@OverthrowDiscGolf I did a terrible job explaining what I meant. During field work I had this moment of uncertainty. Do I drive the lead elbow forward to the point it is past my shoulder (said differently: behind my shoulder) or do I think more like a series of levers unfurling. In retrospect it's obviously the latter!

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

@@DG_ADK the elbow goes first. Not unfurling in order. It’s not the standard kinetic chain. Elbow goes past the shoulder and the shoulder unfurls later

[@DG_ADK]

​@OverthrowDiscGolf I figured it out. Now to force my brain to unlearn 16 years of limp wrist throwing

[@sharkdizogg]

While I like the repeatability of this grip technique, I can’t seem to get the nose down with this grip. If I keep my index finger on top I’m good but when I shift my index finger to the bottom the nose moves up. Is nose down a grip thing or a wrist thing? I know it’s both but I feel like I’m setting myself up for failure gripping like this. Ugh…

[@betterplayer2800]

When i try to bring my index finger under the disc it crams my palm skin and is uncomfortable, does that mean im doing it wrong, or is my index finger not long enough?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Adjust it to where it’s comfortable without totally ruining the setup. Hands are weird

[@brickchains1]

They're not a joke, you don't make jokes about em, TC Tuggers. You don't wear em as a joke, you don't give em as a joke gift, or wear them ironically, or do pub crawls in em like the Snuggie. They're not like the Snuggie.

[@nunyabidness2143]

This went over so many heads but the comment is gold sir!!

[@OneFocusPhotos]

I did this drill today and the disc wouldn't leave my hand😢 Am I supposed to allow the wrist flick or keep holding it tight so it doesn't flick at all? Maybe I was supposed to let it flick on its own but not stop it from doing it.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Start with a light grip and then progressively increase

[@CarlosMartinez-vk9su]

So this means I should never let go or open my hand?

[@joew2201]

Anyone have grip suggestions for players with short index fingers and/or joint stiffness? I find it near impossible and painful to bring the index finger under the rim without the "monkey" grip. With the index finger being critical, what adjustment can I make to get the index finger in the proper position given my physical limitations. Surely, there are others out there who have this challenge. Thanks!

[@reitairue2073]

Can't say for sure, but you could try just skipping the index finger and use the middle finger as the pivot point. I have no idea if it will work or not lol, but worth a try.

[@mang0Master]

I have short fingers and in order to keep the nose down I actually rest my pointer finger on rim of the disc. My middle finger is my main pivot point as a result. I can use my pointer finger as the pivot point for mid-range rims and higher but the grip becomes more of a modified fan grip for me as opposed to a power grip.

[@pisteville7797]

I have seen a player putting index finger top of dosc and thumb top of index finger. Try and see if it works or not

[@pekkapietikainen2313]

​@@pisteville7797 This is exactly what I am doing. I have arthritis and very stiff index fingers (62 years...). It is a modified Bonopane grip.

[@brendanmichaud2683]

​​@@pisteville7797 came here to recommend exactly this. It's called the Bonapone grip. Here a link to what it looks like. kzbin.info6O0IufzSwMs?feature=share

[@AlbertGarr-t3p]

What does it mean if the disc is staying in my hand? It pivots to holding behind the disc off the back fingers, but I’m still holding on.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Just grip a bit looser until it comes out

[@TwilightZone13]

How am I supposed to keep my wrist curled when the disc releases from my hand? The disc wants to open up my wrist. I'm not internationally opening up my wrist.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

If it opens up on its own that is fine. Just don’t intentionally unfurl it

[@FrigginCatsBruh]

Idk what it is exactly but your analogies just absolutely click for my silly brain. Thank you for making all the knowledge digestible! Twirly gave me my first real understanding of backhand mechanics (I'm a sidearm dude all day) 🥏🍻

[@rageoid]

So being firm helps with the tug ? Does a slight wrist curl aid in a live throw ? (heard it both ways). Thanks for the post, a new one to try in the yard. I am sure I'm a monkey gripper, a pinch monkey gripper though. It's apparent I need to try that higher level chimpanzee grip, thanks for another eye opener. Will look at the store, compulsive like a monkey.

[@emil3445]

i really dont get the nose down stuff at all, because alot of time i need to throw uphill? How in the world am I supposed to do that with a nose down and if I watch distance competition videos the throw UP?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Watch our video on swing plane. You can throw down and nose up and up and nose down.

[@emil3445]

I've gotta check it out! But how about when you throw throwing putters, are they supposed to be nose down too?😅

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

@@emil3445 putters can take a little bit of nose up. All depends on what you’re trying to do with it though. I almost always throw my putter with nose up because I’m using them for approaches and I want them to land soft.

[@jjw6961]

I can never resist a good tug.

[@someone-wd1yn]

I can't get the disc to come out of my hand with that exact grip. The humidity is at 10 trillion percent right now, is that why?

[@toddheflin2606]

kinda confused ?is this teaching proper grip pressure? seems like griplock when went behind you -so did u lighten grip?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Yep. When it goes behind you then you need to dial the grip pressure back a bit

[@axelandersson926]

I almost broke my tv even after the warning 😂

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Close one

[@cody-flynn]

@1:42

[@mattrobinson8352]

So when you extend...do you extend to 10 o'clock? In the video it looks as though Josh is extending towards 12 o'clock 🤔

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Your body won’t make it to 12:00.

[@Corrigan65_]

Super last thing. Just under 7 min you're doing your conclusion to this grip video. You mention the release point is critical. The course I play at night is a mile away and (to me) is a lefty course, open 24 hrs. Here's the thing, When you throw Kastaplast glow you don't have to really look for them. You just have to walk past and your peripheral vision will pick them up in the rough. The course I play, the rough is junglesque but Kastaplast glow like light sabers even on a full moon you'll see green light emanating outwards from long grass, weeds, trees doesn't matter. But the point is boss, is that I think LHBH is not as fast but... throwing fairway drivers full send and they're practically landing on top of each other. I have 2 Lots and 2 Falks. They usually land within a basketball free throw box, all 4 . What about RHBH? I don't throw RHBH at night because that's when my LHBH gets work but no way. There's no way my RHBH could pull that consistency off.

[@Floppy_Catfish]

I was about to try this in my house until you told me not to try this in my house 😆

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Lamp saved

[@Rydal1]

what if i never get it to leave my hand?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Progressively lighten grip

[@kjetildg]

So let me get this straight; you should NEVER open your fist when you throw a disk? It should always fight its way out?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

For distance. You obviously open for putts and you open for touch shots

[@kjetildg]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf wow. Thats an insane eye opener for me. Never heard anyone explain this. TY! Maybe I can throw further than 100m now.

[@thompson222]

Mate my grip is too tight for disc to rip out of my hand. It'll only rip out if I loosen my grip

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Throw faster

[@Grannyknockers]

So I used to exaggerate this on my throws and it really jacked up my flexor tendons. I would proceed with caution. 2 mph is not worth getting trigger finger.

[@Corrigan65_]

When Josh said looking forward to seeing some of you in Patreon. I'm a Patreon member. So he just meant me. I'm the some he isn't looking forward to seeing. It's all me, not you