Group Therapy: Is it really a game?

[@kamsandwich]

I have moved some of the game's files over to the BGG page so they are more widely available, all of the cards should be there!

[@anonymousduck1611]

Sorry, but I can't find the game files in the description. Is there any other way I could possibly print out the cards?

[@kamsandwich]

@@anonymousduck1611 I've moved the pics of the cards to the BGG page that is linked in the description. They should all be there

[@gzenko3408]

​@@kamsandwichI don't see any links in the description personally

[@gzenko3408]

​@kamsandwich game is now $200-300+ online, post those links bro plz

[@Guythatbakesontheinternet]

@@kamsandwich I don't see any links either, are you sure they're there?

[@trivialtrav]

"Take off as many clothes as you feel comfortable". I'd put on my coat.

[@Pupperpats]

Are glasses clothes?

[@francegamer]

I can't help but feel like a full, honest game of this would end in adult activities. There's a distinct suggestive tint to a decent amount of it.

[@luiginotcool]

things were different in the 60s

[@RocketboyX]

This is totally a game you would play at a key party.

[@beyondobscure]

Yeah. Like, "show off the part of you you're most proud of"? "Demonstrate your most vain private habit"? That's pretty suggestive.

[@youcantbeatk7006]

Foul

[@unexpected2475]

​@@beyondobscure No mention of "remove as many clothes as you are comfortable with"?

[@uselessDM]

I can only think how it would be like to play this game with someone you have a crush on. That would be the peak of awkwardness.

[@Scantronimus466]

Not as bad as playing Adultery…and you don’t get matched with your crush.

[@tomatogravy7241]

All In The Family -- season 4 episode 8 "The Games Bunkers Play" (November 1973) -- they played this game. I assumed they were playing a fictional game, something out of the writers' imaginations, nothing that could or would exist in our universe. Turns out I was wrong huh, truth stranger than fiction?

[@danidm5820]

This game is literally that one post that says "I’m going to get a good grade in therapy, something that is both normal to want and possible to achieve"

[@garyromano7990]

The cards feel like impractical joker punishments half the time

[@AbsolXGuardian]

Ah 1969, where we still weren't sure what kind of therapy worked

[@PhoenixRiseinFlame]

Are we even sure what therapy works in 2024?

[@AbsolXGuardian]

@@PhoenixRiseinFlame I'd say certainly more so than in the 70s. The problem now is we're bad at determining what combination of which type of therapy, drugs, and improvement to life circumstances work. As a kid I was sent to therapists for years due to emotional problems, and when I started antidepressants for another reason I improved immediately. While there are plenty of other people with the exact opposite experience. And what is sometimes called shit life syndrome ("of course you're depressed you work a shit job and can barely afford things") can't be fixed through medical means, but rather by improving how society takes care of the most vulnerable

[@sofistar-yt5dh]

@@PhoenixRiseinFlame Yes, but it depends more on the patient's characteristics and the relationship with the therapist than any particular methodology. So the crisis right now is how to deal with the theoretical framework and concept "bloat" and how to do it without falling into acritical positivism

[@DeathnoteBB]

@@PhoenixRiseinFlameI would say no. We still insist talk therapy is a cureall

[@Romanticoutlaw]

for added fun, play this alongside Adultery, played by the people who aren't currently committing adultery in the other room

[@merchantmahogany]

all in between turns of the campaign for north africa desert war: 1940-43, of course

[@Tuxedo-qz6lj]

i'm going to force a group of people against their will into playing this

[@kamsandwich]

You will get well, you have no other option

[@greeninja5991]

​@@kamsandwich this is literally the plot of saw

[@klawiehr]

Based on the cards (techniques) this seems to be Gestalt Therapy. Its creator, Fritz Perls, was super famous/infamous for being a sort of hippie weirdo, and also he had relations with a few of his clients.

[@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts]

Who is surprised? Therapy is mostly a cult.

[@crazycatboysolomon7006]

Yeah, that tracks

[@Pupperpats]

Basically a crazy hippie therapy game?

[@score38]

Kam. You should absolutely scan these rare games to tabletop simulator so people can play them online. In your previous video, the game you talked about was already uploaded to tabletop sim.

[@kamsandwich]

What platform is Tabletop Sim on? A lot of people tell me about it so I should probably learn how it works

[@Tocaric2]

It's on Steam@@kamsandwich

[@williamtyson3401]

​@@kamsandwichit's a game on steam, it's a really neat program

[@thefullestcircle]

@@kamsandwich It's on Steam. Might be available in other places too, I'm not sure

[@Golden_Pig64]

this sounds like the kind of board game a group of an artist's OCs would play

[@thatoneguy9582]

REALLY fun concept

[@Hijiri_MIRACHION]

I definitely want to do that with my own characters.

[@lettuce141]

If you don't send those $2 I'm voting "cop out"

[@samlunt7039]

i love mental health

[@youcantbeatk7006]

i hate mental health

[@THEFRISKIESTDINGO]

"Hold each member of the group in a way that reflects the way you feel about them." _cups balls_

[@woodfur00]

I love how some of the cards explicitly depend on a mixed-gender group, while _all_ of the cards, including some of those same ones, assume everyone is a he

[@kamsandwich]

I did find that odd, they seemed to use it as an all-purpose greeting. Like doods

[@bitterjames]

that gender neutral "they" could've come in handy at that time

[@wingedcatgirl]

Old style guides used to prescribe the use of he/him as a gender-neutral pronoun. But like... that's dumb lol

[@greenhardin1700]

Considering this game is quite old, it makes sense. Standard English writing/composition practice used to be using the singular pronoun “he” for singular individuals of unspecified gender, although this has fallen out of favor for “he or she” or the (formerly exclusively plural) “they.”

[@mykal4779]

​@@greenhardin1700 i'm pretty sure there are shakespearian examples of gender ambiguous they

[@apollofell3925]

A group of guys sit down to play this game. Eventually "first guy" draws this card-> 8:03, and complies down to his underwear. Later, another guy draws this card -> 2:56, and the group selects first guy. Then the first guy draws this card -> 7:10

[@oldaccount1254]

Then 7:44, followed by 7:23

[@williamtyson3401]

I'd love to see what happens with the 2 dollars

[@kamsandwich]

Do you think they'll take a $2 bill?

[@davidcallahan9162]

I think a 2$ bill would be the preferred form of payment.@@kamsandwich

[@emilyyyylime-]

​@@kamsandwichidc but doitdoitdoitdoitdoitdotidoitdoit

[@roxygaming5968]

New shipping fanfic premise: your faves play a game of Group Therapy.

[@caseyjones-esque]

I think it’s a sincere reflection on my mental state that I desperately want to play this game

[@alruin95]

Why do i feel this is just a cleverly disguised sex game?

[@elfhunter6]

Cleverly?

[@mawillix2018]

@alruin95 I found this game after finding a lewd game that functions basically the same as this, but where you have to strip if you cop out. Add the same rule to this one, and I think you've got yourself a semi-decent sex game.

[@dashieprodx]

at least adultery was self-aware lmao

[@Pupperpats]

Because it is.

[@RedshirtAfficionado]

This game was MADE for a mushroom trip

[@uselessDM]

And of course send the two dollars. Also, thanks for the shoutout.

[@kamsandwich]

Thank YOU sir

[@vantretiredargumentativedu7763]

I like how some of the free cards just assume you've made enemys at this point, most likely from getting them to play this with you.

[@MrDevin1125]

Fun fact: this exact game was the plot of an old episode of one of the greatest sitcoms of all time, All in the Family. The episode is called "The Games Bunkers Play" and is from 1973. Mike, the young hippie of the family finds the game and invited some neighbors over to play with them, but winds up getting butthurt when the game forces them to criticize him, which he takes very personally. I honestly had to google almost all of that information, because i haven't seen the episode in years and the only part i actually remember is when he first brings it home, and Archie, his conservative blue collar father-in-law, already thinks it's stupid based on the title and get's talked into drawing a card at random to try it out, draws "Show what part of your body your most proud of" and storms out to the bar in disgust.

[@whyiwakeup6460]

someone get valefisk to remake this in tabletop sim, it’ll be perfect

[@PickleJello]

This is a better sex board game than Adultery somehow.

[@XSniper74184]

That is not a difficult feat.

[@apollofell3925]

I'm shocked that you, a sammich, hired a human person to act out your script on this video. What a twist!

[@kamsandwich]

Oh he's not hired. We're trying out a new "indentured servent" employment model we think will take off soon.

[@apollofell3925]

@@kamsandwich Hope it's a profitable venture!

[@kabobawsome]

"Everyone judges. Everyone is judged." As we all know, this is famously the modus operandi of group therapy. The rest of the group judges you until your trauma goes away. EDIT: Ah, the point of this game seems to be the lead-up to an orgy--

[@rulebritannia8438]

What are you talking about, it’s clearly a game for the whole family

[@jakedoesyoutube]

This game is meant to end with adult activities. Combining 8:03 with 8:53, or 2:56 is gonna end up being really freaky.

[@Hijiri_MIRACHION]

Not to mention the one that literally tells you to show a part of the body you're proud of. That could very easily turn adult. Oh, and 12:36.

[@NickW855]

"Talk about your loneliness." "My loneliness is k-" "NO BRITTANY."

[@Adam-xd9tr]

From the title, I was somehow expecting a game that would gradually ask more and more tough questions to get someone to open up about their traumas and get help confronting and overcoming them. Instead, it's the exact opposite.

[@collosallsquid4001]

I feel like this game would be perfect for playing chicken with a group of people. Like just sit your friends in a room together and have anyone leave and stay out if they get too uncomfortable

[@paterhidalgo5051]

Incredible stuff, dude. Keep it going, I love your content. *draws a card* As I love myself.

[@NoName-cp4ct]

I can see it being wicked at parties in a Cards against humanity way.

[@rafa57games]

A movie of a group of friends playing this game would really work out

[@brainbin]

It's shocking how many of these cards were used verbatim in "The Games Bunkers Play", the episode of All in the Family which features this game. Talk about how you are mature, the part of your body you're the most proud of, standing back to back and pushing, do an interpretive dance that shows how you feel when you think nobody likes you... That had to be the easiest episode ever to write. It turned out great and the character development was terrific, but wow, the blueprint was really laid out for them.

[@BirdRaiserE]

Maybe somebody will make a (more) gay version of this game like they did with monopoly It feels like they're a quarter of the way toward legit gay game already

[@ultrabaltard1479]

I don’t know what’s better either using this game as an acting challenge or as a really sad drinking game

[@gzenko3408]

Am I just fkd in the head by thinking this would be an amazing game night idea?

[@livwake]

For real I want to play this four drinks in

[@salamander405]

This game seems like so much fun, I’m about to make my own version out of cardstock, at least until I can access some scans. Did you read out every single therapy card or just the highlights? Also, definitely send the $2, it’s imperative that you get those extra 100 cards

[@kamsandwich]

Not every card read was in the video, but once I figure out how to work the scans every card will be pictured

[@Crystalpoodleblack]

This game was featured in an episode of All in the Family. Specifically season 4 episode 9: “The games Bunkers play.” I thought that was a game made up for the episode.

[@lfraser7128]

Absolutely do it, just to see a video of you trying to get a money order for two dollars

[@kamsandwich]

The bank canceling my accounts for even suggesting the $2 money order

[@crazyflare67]

I love the implication of some of these cards that the person that makes you the most nervous or who frightens you the most is automatically a guy

[@ospero7681]

...not what I was expecting to see. Apparently, this general idea got made into more than one boardgame - I distinctly remember another one, simply called "Therapy", from my teenage years (so about 30 years ago). But that was a more elaborate affair with trivia questions and a game board divided into six parts, not three. (It did have group therapy cards, as far as I recall.)

[@CircsC]

i feel like you'd need ALL the therapy after playing this game.

[@mikehulsebus]

All the laughing you do while filming this shows you are With It

[@AsiccAP]

i would love to see you lose tw- i mean see you get the set of 100 cards

[@llewelynshingler2173]

I can see no possible way that this won't end with insanely rude comedy

[@NotJonJost]

We are ALL emotionally dependent on Djungelskog...

[@drapermovies]

We need a subscriber game of this.

[@Zogger568]

This is some of the most long haired, greasy mustache, weed smoking hippie crap I have ever seen. You just know the person who made this was so proud of themselves for helping free someone's mind.

[@man.actual]

I think me and the boys should get one and record ourselves playing it

[@bigloler99lel42]

i am an agent of God

[@kamsandwich]

Glad you're here, Lord knows this place needs one

[@raeganj6744]

I think this game was definitely influenced by this psychology book that was popular in the late 60s called Games People Play that essentially claimed that people are constantly playing “mind games” with everyone else which is why that starting card thing said “stop playing games” and why it’s about being vulnerable and stuff. It’s also definitely got some free love/swingers stuff going on too.

[@flaviapederzini]

This seems like the perfect game to quickly stop being friends with a group of people Even better than monopoly

[@sarge1408]

I remeber when i was Baker Act-ed, tucked away in one of the closets corners was a game all about mourning, supposed to help you with....i guess mourning. So honestly, seeign a froup therapy game is....kind of unsuprising, but still some.

[@youcantbeatk7006]

I hope you're during better.

[@sarge1408]

@@youcantbeatk7006 nahh. Tho am happy to be outa there. Got treated like a dog there rather than a child, bordering on adult.

[@youcantbeatk7006]

@@sarge1408It's a very evil system that most people are blind to.

[@Jo-rz6bs]

Djungleskog my beloved

[@leffa1]

The Person who still got friends win.

[@awesomeMSE]

I'm legitimately convinced this game was designed for people on ecstasy.

[@hwithumlaut8288]

Lose your two dollars! This is priceless.

[@05AquariusNova]

Something tells me that authors of this board game learnt about mental health from the back of a cereal box…

[@sublimeade]

I used to be "With it", but then they changed what "it" was

[@sublimeade]

0:38 how to * hocks up loogie * *PUGGGHLAY*

[@Epicname333]

Love this channel lol

[@thejunecooperative]

Someone's gotta make it on tabletop simulator!

[@cpt_nordbart]

Man do i feel good seeing an actual psychiatrist later.

[@anarchist135]

So is there any consequence to just voting cop out on every opponent’s turn? Cus if you’re not actually playing this for therapeutic purposes/playing to dunk on your friends i could totally see that being a problem

[@PickleJello]

9:30 "Tallest player goes first". Did the Dragon's Tomb make this game?

[@Thuselessone]

This is the type of thing an out-of-touch parent who hasn’t done anything to bond with their kid would buy to try and make them talk to them (and maybe figure out if they did have sex with Jeremy last night)

[@puppetguy8726]

I'd want you toplay it with friends and then review and recap the experience. Also please use 2$ for the expansion!

[@knellpeek1920]

Oh I see, its a game or torture for introverts

[@canalalex0119]

I prefer the Sam-o-Nella-esque style tbh, but this might be easier

[@Mamapuchas3000]

Did you send the 2 dollars in the end? Did it do anything?

[@kamsandwich]

I did, they sent them back as the address no longer exists:(

[@Mamapuchas3000]

@@kamsandwich such a shame

[@mariosin3256]

What’s with the lighting

[@nasrock13.]

Banger!!

[@leonardticsay8046]

Lol. “With it” The-rapist cards. Fun stuff.

[@glow2hi]

fitting that this game was from 69

[@Willy_um]

Hey could pleasers scan this game I really want play this it looks so much fun

[@kamsandwich]

I believe to do it I can use a google drive link? Continued experiments tomorrow

[@MrFish-gc2kd]

DO THE FUCKING $2 THING

[@kamsandwich]

I did try to send the money in, unfortunately they sent it back to me a couple days ago because the address no longer exists. Big sad.

[@jadeforest7924]

The address doesn't seem to exist any more. Sadly, I think your $2 would be wasted :(

[@kamsandwich]

I did look around, there seems to be a building there! At least a place to send it

[@matshbocks]

Send the two dollars. Itd be funny

[@speddoellol1199]

Group Therapy it's just legal strip poker

[@jamesfont777]

More like awkwardness the game.

[@danielyoutubechannel407]

came for group theory worst catfish of my life

[@austygo3563]

How much for this game😎

[@sabrinastark4886]

Ahh yes another swinger game

[@femboy-gardevoir]

This supposed to be therapy?

[@elenahaya1195]

Well,atleast what some dudes in the late 60's thought therapy is like...

[@femboy-gardevoir]

@@elenahaya1195 So, it *isn't* therapy?

[@elenahaya1195]

@@femboy-gardevoir I feel like It was *supposed* to be, but I feel like It would suck as therapy nowadays. As Kam said, getting criticized all game feels like It would help with any problem on your image or way of acting you had. Besides that,most of the cards are either really mean,or oddly sexual. Aparently,the dude who created the idea of "therapy" that this game uses, It was a weird hippie who fucked some of his clients, so knowing that...

[@femboy-gardevoir]

@@elenahaya1195 Ah, hippie sex therapy. Got it, I'm too Gen Z to understand it.

[@ninjacat230]

Trying to play this strategically/competitively completely breaks it, as you are incentivized to be as harsh and judgemental as possible to keep you opponents from moving. As long as you can find something, ANYTHING wrong, you should play cop out, even if they did good overall. Or, even if they did everything right, just MAKE UP something they did wrong so you can play cop out. What are they going to do about it, call you a liar? Sure, in addition to make the game extremely toxic, and the equivalent of a bunch of crabs in a bucket, but it's the best way to not be beaten.

[@goodgamer1419]

Cannot tell if this game is gay or homophobic

[@leonardticsay8046]

It can be both if it hates itself.

[@Pizza-gremlin]

Put it in the “Fredrick the great” category. Gay but sexist, inverse applies

[@livwake]

7:27 is there any heterosexual way to interpret this

[@greenmountaineer]

I'd rather kill myself than play a round of this game

[@Ry8ot]

Title typo?

[@kamsandwich]

Yes it is! Thank you

[@ollllj]

this is just bigotry and harassment orders on cards. remove as many clothes as you feel comfortable" "then be judged by everyone for the progression of this game, and remember, the more you obey this game, the sooner this game will be over"

[@nicholasshaler7442]

Do it.

[@darreljones8645]

It's just like the later Un-Game. Except, of course, sucky.

[@StuntedSlime]

Why is there a misogyny card?

[@StuntedSlime]

Why is there a homophobia card?

[@elenahaya1195]

Cuz the late 60's and early 70's were like that: Society used to be a lot less tolerant that nowaday,so cards saying that kind of stuff,and making it so everyone judges you as a main component of the game was considered acceptable

[@man.actual]

I always got the high scores

[@kamsandwich]

As I would expect from our 20th President

[@man.actual]

@@kamsandwich yessir, me and Chester Arthur would always play together ( I bet you can guess his favorite body part)

[@zenmaster8]

honestly the thing that threw me off the most was the gender neutral him instead of they

[@lycanthewerewolf6801]

As of when I was in school (which wasn't that long ago), "him" was the grammatically correct gender neutral word.

[@zenmaster8]

@@lycanthewerewolf6801 yeah however I cannot imagine why because singular they has been used since 1375. I suspect some amount of sexism was involved setting that custom

[@sharkeatingleeks4042]

This game was not made for the homosexuals... It is made as a sex game though