Heavy Hitters Of World War 2 | Bf-109 k4 Vs P-51 Mustang Western Front Dogfight | DCS |

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[@GrowlingSidewinder]

➡ Check out the Store: growling-sidewinder.creator-spring.com/ Thank you guys for watching and if you have any ideas for future videos please put them in the comment section below and they might just end up in the pipeline, thanks again, much Love.

[@unotoli]

2x2 collaborations? or 2 weak vs 1 superior?

[@supremegreaser2399]

Is there a supermarine spitfire model?

[@Anarchy_420]

Please create a scenario with NGAD, SR-72, & B-21!

[@tmytyson]

Battle of the Canards: A dogfight battle royale featuring (at a minimum) the Eurofighter Typhoon, SU30SM Flanker-H, and JAS39 Gripen. May the best 'nard win.

[@wisco_guy]

Would love to see either the F4U Corsair or the P51D with the Merlin engine fight against the Bf-109. The British Mk24 Spitfire would be cool, too.

[@Boslandschap1]

If you miss making WW2 videos, just make more of them. It's as simple as that 😄

[@17VINCE]

I second this lol

[@J-P88]

Third

[@zentriel]

Fourth

[@ChillingIceCube]

Completely agree,

[@alets6211]

🙏🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾

[@Paddyboy005]

I like the battles you have with Toxic. He seems to be one of the more challenging opponents.

[@laymanengineer7502]

Yeah. Toxic is one hell of an airplane pilot!

[@riphopfer5816]

Agreed; also, I too love these WWII fights.

[@justsmallstuff4994]

Toxic is an absolute gun of a pilot. I'm pretty sure he has the best K/D ratio against GS compared to the rest of opponents.

[@collinlingaitis8872]

As someone who had spent far too much of his life on flight sims in the WW1/WW2 eras: P51's biggest advantage is her speed. Going too slow in a P51 is always a mistake. Big 2 circle fights keeping the Mustang fast, especially if you can put that circle off set a bit because most American plans have amazing energy retention. Personally I tend to think 6 .50cals are better than 1 heavy cannon (the ability to just hose a target is easier than being precise with a bigger gun)

[@hound83]

True. For dogfights probably the 30mm was not the best choice, for me i always have the feeling the 30mm is there for the effect on bigger targets like bombers, its not optimal for fighter engagements....

[@mrchrispy13]

not to mention the P-51 is meant to fight at high altitude, not on the deck; unless we're talking about the A's

[@bimsbarkas]

Cutting the engine is an immediate loss, pretty much. Also, turning at all with the 109 should lose, if there is tobe a chance in such, the p51s faster roll might be the only way.

[@monkeykingenma]

@@bimsbarkas p51 has a gsuit the 109 does not. keep the p51 fast and use combat flap and u can outturn that 109

[@ericx777]

@@hound83 I think the 30 Mike-Mike was more for taking down B-17's, B-24's and Avro Lancaster's. Against an agile fighter like the Spitfire or 'Stang, yea, way too slow unless you were within 100m.

[@billymorgan8870]

Love the WW2 dogfights! So much more up close and personal. Keep up the amazing work GS!

[@larrym.9524]

Absolutely!!! More of "it's the pilot, not the plane" action.

[@timonsolus]

If you think WW2 is up close and personal, try WW1. Rise of Flight or Flying Circus.

[@0neBadRabbit]

Hey GS, while you're on a WWII kick, can we see some Pacific Theater dogfights? Or maybe a fleet attack mission, flying air support for torpedo bombers/ dive bombers? And as always, thank you for your dedication to cranking out top tier content, you give me something to nerd-out to everyday 😂

[@zanaduz2018]

There aren’t many Pacific Theatre assets in either IL-2:GB or DCS; he’d need to get into IL-2: 1946 to have a Pacific Theatre combat

[@0neBadRabbit]

@@zanaduz2018 that's a shame. Pacific Theater had some impressive aircraft, and often gets overlooked in favor of European Theater. (Wasn't as "romantic", maybe? Just US vs. Japan, instead of the world vs. a madman)

[@urviechalex9963]

@@0neBadRabbit The Japanese leadership was definitely mad enough!

[@urviechalex9963]

Yeah, I would like to see him in a Ki-84!

[@harrisonpowers4265]

@@0neBadRabbit Keep your eyes peeled on Combat Pilot. The Pacific Theater means a lot to me more personally (Dad served in the Navy) but also the F4F is one of my favorite dogfighters of that era.

[@herrzimm]

LOVE seeing more WW1 and WW2 content being considered. Some of the most intense and exciting fights happen when you have these "old fashioned" dogfights happen. Mostly because it isn't just about the technology, but the pilot CONTROLLING the technology.

[@onenaner]

more WW2 content? not complaining! love this content, keep it up man

[@the_beef4762]

Never get sick of WW2 bird videos. There's just something special about them. Much more intense than launching AMRAAMS from 60 miles then diving while listening to beeping. Though I do love those as well, the WW2 birds are the OG.

[@jay-nb6uk]

love all the content you make but the WWII dogfights is what brings me back the most!!

[@KenVic02]

Great matchup. I love how the unique howl of the Mustang is recreated as well. That's the subject of a lot of debate over the years... supercharger, radiator, etc. Saw a video from a guy who's restored them and he said it's from the longer gun tubes of the inner most guns (not barrel lengths of the guns themselves, they're all the same of course). As a result, a Helmholtz resonance is formed at certain speeds and angles of attack. Fascinating!

[@timoy4988]

Awesome seeing him bail out! Thanks for that! 😁👍👍💪💪

[@lwrncschmchr]

You can tell when GS is having to work hard to win, and the combination of that K4 and Toxic's piloting, definitely made him work.

[@SledgeFox]

WW2 fights are most exciting, thank you very much!

[@ianpopp87]

MAN that's a tough fight. You did an admirable job. Love your vids man, keep being awesome.

[@whiplash8277]

Thanks for more WWII content, Winder. You're skill is a pleasure to watch.

[@hariszark7396]

I would really like to see 2 vs 2 or 4 vs 4 WWII fights. Those really can have much more realism and challenges than just 1 vs 1 fights.

[@dscott6629]

A 4v4+ would be cool as it would bring tactics into play but I'm guessing bringing in other quality gamers into the mix would also bring in additional scheduling issues.

[@hariszark7396]

@@dscott6629 nothing that can't be arranged I bet.

[@Kjell777Iverson]

That 2nd fight was highly entertaining. Nice work as always, GS.

[@timsullivan4566]

I just LOVE these WWII fights! Thanh you.

[@lordhickory3322]

Love all the WW2 content lately!

[@GrybbC]

it seems the biggest flaw of the K-4 in the dogfight is the MK108's velocity making it difficult to aim at fighters. Some K-4s were fitted with the regular MG151 20mm instead, I wonder how much of a difference that would make. Love the WW2 videos!

[@air-headedaviator1805]

One iteration of K’s featured two 20’s and the 30, along with 13mm guns in the nose. All you’d need is one good pass on anything to kill it. Made them real pigs tho.

[@dscott6629]

@@air-headedaviator1805 Bomber killers.

[@BARelement]

If the DCS Mustang ran the correct historical horsepower setting it would be interesting aswell. But can’t have it all? Allied planes seem to always be shacked in these so called “Sims” I wonder why is that not the case for axis planes only allied planes in sims other then IL2 GB? The mustang in DCS is missing over 200HP! How is it you’re stuck at 61” of manifold pressure when by the time the G6 came out it was running 72” and 75”??? British mustangs ran 81”! So wtf is the DCS devs doing? Let me guess “balance”.

[@momotheelder7124]

I also think six 50 cals is a much better armament solution when the pilot needs to fire spontaneously without a guarantee of every hit connecting-you can afford to spray a bit with the 50 cals and see what happens-not so with the 60 rounds of 30 mm.

[@unixfool]

YASSSS!! I'd asked if you could show a similar fight as your last, but with you piloting the P-51 and you delivered!

[@kentwilliams3326]

OUTSTANDING! Thanks, was a cliff hanger for sure. Forgot to breath...

[@j.s.unknkown7870]

Those world war 2 dogfights were truly something different

[@The_Ren]

You have to get the Spitfire in these WWII battles. Love these dogfights. Reminds me of my old MS Combat Flight Sim days.

[@jdrmd1]

Much respect GS!!!!! You are a great pilot, a great youtuber and have the best attitude....Thanks for showing me I'm not the only one that gets beat by the me 109....I am not in your league but glad to see you have to work hard for the kill...Keep the great content coming!!!!

[@jasonanalco542]

Please do Japan's heavy hitters vs Whistling Death. The F-4U Corsair. Thank you for another excellent bit of content

[@oborozukiyo73]

Japan's heavy hitters vs P-51 Mustang; would be epic DCS' P-51 model already looks like those flying from Iwo Jima, just bristling with dorsal & chin antennae... Would love to see how the Mustang stacks up against the K-100, Hayate & Shiden

[@zacsawesomeworld2767]

I’m loving this ww2 content.

[@LazyShoby]

"He'd got my 6" at 7:08 .. lolz

[@gjoinolywa5850]

Most competitive fight I’ve seen on GS channel. Fun to watch. Too often you just crush your opponent. Fun to see you sweat!

[@patrickwilliment2462]

Keep the WW2 content....much more exciting than shooting a missile from 912 miles away

[@JRGProjects]

Pilots in WW2 never got into turning fights with the BF and ME 109s. They always went vertical and powered up like you did toward the end of round two.

[@slimycheerio4026]

Yooo love seeing the Ww2 dogfights!!!!!!!

[@thiagorodrigues5211]

last one was way more intense than all dogfights from modern jets. No wonder people still like dogfights in movies so much

[@allenarneson4349]

GS - According to the movie Redtails - I think if you kill the throttle, pull hard on the stick with full rudder the Mustang will stall and the prop will pull you around quickly. I remember seeing that on the movie and again a pilot from WW2 (The Blue Nosed Bastards of Botany) described the same maneuver. Maybe try that when the K4 is on your tail.

[@FlatDrifting265]

It defies the laws of physics bro

[@donakahorse]

awesome, thank you, I wanted to see this. Toxic is a great pilot, well done both of you

[@davidhermosilla6942]

I truly thank you for these p51 K4 duels. I have been flying years ww2 fighters and the k4 is actually impossible to defeat. Average pilots on this plane throw me off the sky with no effort. I keep my hopes high in practice and practice. I watch these videos over and over till get every single tip you put on them. Thanks and please more!

[@SliceofLife7777]

Kurt Tank's Butcher Bird was Germany's best piston fighter. Later models, (primarily the Dora) addressed the earlier models lack of high altitude performance. And I suggest that the M and N models of the P47 were America's best fighter in the European theater.

[@ThunderBatSims]

MORE WARBIRDS! You should do some more IL-2 while you're at it, and bring some love to Great Battles!

[@j.s.unknkown7870]

Been loving your content a lot lately! Keep up the good work ❤

[@torariders313]

but but but the P-51 is the greatest WW2 fighter.... hahaha! Epic video man!

[@hariszark7396]

10:50 here is the advantage of wing guns against nose guns. You can take some distant hard shots way easier because of the bullets spread.

[@rafiandapura8965]

I reckon Toxic’s one of two players that could truly give GS a run for his money, the other one obv being LS😂 awesome fight either way. You the man GS!

[@nathanrawling4353]

One of the best you've done. Well done to you sir

[@pr0skis]

Hey GS since you're doing WWII dogfights would it be possible to see some 2v2 fights? would be real interesting... and spicy 😃

[@fedo18]

I love how you can fly and explain the situation at the same time

[@IM2a1]

I didn't realise that Bf-109 was so good. Thanks for the video.

[@YuFow]

It was the pilot who made it look that good. The 109 actually had a slower turn rate than the p51

[@Keckegenkai]

@@YuFow but the pilot is still limited to what he got

[@YuFow]

@@Keckegenkai oh for sure, but the pilot is probably as bigger factor as the plane itself

[@HeatMyShorts]

Awesome. Well done! I dont think it was luck on the second round. He made an error by reversing his turn and you seized an opportunity. That first round was tense!!

[@dairyqueenshake6719]

I liked the shooting during the merge engagement at 6:10 because I felt like it sort of fit the context and it was something different, plus it looked cool.

[@thepsychoticone615]

awwww look He is going through his World War two phase again

[@bobjones6154]

dude what a fight! that was legit really cool.

[@mochieiineko72]

Always a good day when GS uploads

[@Averagecartilistener]

Day 62 of asking for A-10 vs F-14

[@littlepudn2042]

Could be interesting

[@M1A2_AbramsSEPv3]

This would be very cool

[@thegamingnb_666]

Indeed

[@Averagecartilistener]

Both are really good at slow speed, so yes, it’ll be interesting

[@emirbozkurt6188]

Believe it or not this could be veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery intereeeeeeeeesting 😮😮😮😮

[@manzelli1981]

1:32 Always loved the howl from Merlin engines

[@shadekerensky3691]

Would love to see the Me-262 vs. the Mig-15

[@donutdefender2693]

I was actually on the edge of my seat for the whole vid! Great fights!

[@babouras123]

It's amazing to see the amount of punishment these old machines could take before falling!

[@filippofior3722]

always nice to see some WII fighters. Would love to see an Mc-205

[@sivaro1]

You really made the P 51 dance.

[@craigwycinsky3889]

Love the paint job on the P-51. ❤

[@danilomiranda9175]

Very great video mate. Grate fights. If i can give you a suggestion, try to use little or no aileron imputs while using the rudder at low speeds. This will help uou to avoid entering a spin

[@egapnee]

I really like those WW2 fights, I whish DCS could develop more in that direction.

[@rotj4587]

Well this is news to me. I thought as soon as the 51D turned up all Jerry fighters except 262s were toast. Read a great 51 fighter pilot autobiography years ago, 1 tactical thing impressed on me was that they always engaged ideally with a wingman.

[@poloptree2]

Love the ww2 stuff. Always great to see the 'knife fight' like you called it

[@James_T_Kirk_1701]

Finally! some warbird content

[@jamesmaddison4546]

Beautiful move around 2mins in. I cant remember his name but he wrote that manual and was known for saying give me 30seconds and ill have a guy off my 6 and Infront of me, in that manual he had that move broke down step by step. You executed it perfectly

[@RaptorMaitre]

I think that was a High Yoyo.

[@samcy9551]

good going GS so refreshing to see WW2 dogfights.

[@SnaketheJake87]

Thank you kindly

[@Falckodotcom]

Absolutly amazing dogfight! I could listen to the external shots all day long, the raw engine noises combined with the guns ... doesn't get any better than that!

[@somewhereinagalaxyfarfaraway]

At this point I would watch you hand fly paper airplane scenarios man! Your videos are excellent and exceeded only by your skills as a civilian sim pilot.

[@Barry287]

I used to fly with Toxic in ACG. He's always been one helluva 109 pilot!!!

[@fikipilot]

Beautiful BEAUTIFUL

[@gerrit85100]

Cool video! Especially the second dogfight! Loved it!

[@BARelement]

If the Mustang in DCS was given the historical engine manifold pressure of 75” or 72” not 61” (that is CRIMINAL) this fight would go much differently.

[@Dv087]

They need to come out with a F4U-1 Corsair. Yes, it was better than the Mustang, refer to the testing pitting the two against each other at the Patuxent Naval Airstation testing ground. There is very little information in history regarding the meeting of the Me 109 and what variant of both aircraft being pitted against each other, but the British used the F4U on their aircraft carriers in the Mediterranean.

[@mikes8948]

Love the WWII stuff...any chance of F4U Corsair or F6F Hellcat fights?

[@dreaminknight]

No. Resp. not yet.

[@firstchevalier]

Another 1-1 in a great pair of fights. I really want to see best out of three, especially when the fights are this good please.

[@Kambesembi]

Harrier vs. F-15E sounds like an interesting fight to me

[@noodles12321]

2 of some of the coolest planes

[@icaleinns6233]

Always fun to watch the WW2 fights as well as F-22 mission videos.

[@NotDumbassable]

The P51 has a better turn rate at its corner speed than the 109, whereas the 109 has better energy in the vertical. I'm not quite sure which of the two can turn tighter, but my gut feeling is the 109. So I think it would be best to fly the P51 like a rate fighter, even though that terminology isn't period accurate.

[@fredmeyer369]

Always struggle flying the P51 - better plane with the attitude but in 1v1 dog fight co-alt, just a hard plane to win a knife fight in.

[@juaniravaioli]

THESE WW2 VIDEOS ARE AWESOME

[@Chimla]

yes i love this, please keep up the WW2 content!!

[@wackswax8423]

Recreate BOLO. F-4, MiG 21, f-105 & SA2. Could also be cool to do a modern day “thud ridge” reenactment? Like f-18s v SA6 or something if the “Nam” era planes aren’t on DCS. Just something about gun engagements or old school missile fighting. It’s up close & personal. Like fly fishing vs bait fishing or something lol. Always love the content. 5:05 moment lmao. Good stuff.

[@j.s.unknkown7870]

The howling of those aircraft is really satisfying

[@lennyprestia4231]

That was awesome. Can’t wait for the F4U to come out and do the 109 vs the Corsair

[@jacobpoullath3478]

Nose down flat scissors against a 109. Rolling scissors is a no go. Also a k4 with mw50 has every advantage over the 51 at these altitudes

[@Thpossamai]

Dcs does an amazing job replicating ww2 dogfights

[@Anarchy_420]

Please fly Planes on the left! AV-8B VS F-35B F-86 Sabre VS A-10C MB-339 Aermacchi VS MIG-15 MIG-29K VS SU-33 J-10 VS SU-27 P-47 Thunderbolt VS SU-25 Frogfoot Mirage F-1 VS Panavia Tornado F-16I Sufa with Python 5's VS Gripen with IRIS-T's

[@Anarchy_420]

It would be cool and hilarious if you had The AV-8B and F-35B take off from opposing Amphibious Assault Ships and VTOL into the merge!

[@gabrielcox3599]

What version of the p51 is that? You give the 109 but not the 51. Love your vids!!

[@kat13man]

Hawker Hurricane vs ME-109E-4. The Poles of the 303rd Squadron shot down many 109's during the Battle of Britian while flying Hurricanes so I think it would be a good match up.

[@piedpiper4450]

i love your channel man amazing content! also more 109 related content please its amazing to watch you fight 109s or fight in em. you make it look so easy.

[@taylorious1693]

11:38 "P51!!! CADILLAC OF THE SKIES!!!"

[@ArcaneActual]

I dont know if I missed the video already but i would love to see a merge with helis. AH64 v KA50 or others

[@davidakes8892]

I always thought the P 51 was superior , nice video

[@GM-fh5jp]

It is...when flown correctly...

[@AviationPlus]

Now this is a relevant BFM video.

[@Plangy1616]

Oh, I expected Donkey vs. Felon for today 😀

[@3.9L_V8]

Can't wait to see what GS will do with the La-7 once it joins the WWII stables

[@joselynalicemay6225]

Same fight bf-109 but maybe go against a fighter known to take a raw beating and still be able to fight like the p-47D thunderbolt