Grubby | WC3 | SUPER[LADDER]CLASH vs ToD!

[@FollowGrubby]

ToD picked up some new builds from the Stay At Home Story Cup from 24/25 April, and we are struggling more than before. Here's the 5 ladder games we played on 27 April!

[@aaabatteries9948]

Next time i hope he picks up some manners as well.

[@czargwar]

Can you not purge away the dragonhawks net?

[@kelvintan6161]

Very close fights .... 3-2 to Grubby ! Winner of Bo5 series 👍👍

[@Zycoxy]

my own fault i read comments before watching...

[@mattwiduch7462]

@@Zycoxy lmao I just did the same XD

[@airdoctor1251]

2 HRS + OF TOD , I like my popcorn salty

[@antizombie7345]

Would be cool to see Grubby at ToD's Townhall-meeting one time. ToD gets salty in the game, but when you hear him talk about Grubby (while casting with back2warcraft for example), he is respecful and appreciates Grubby's gameplay.

[@Norbingel]

he talked about Grubby's "unkillable expo burrow" at least 3x during the b2wc cast of the grandfinals between happy and spiral. Seemed salty to me

[@antizombie7345]

@@Norbingel Yeah that's true, he hates those burrows, but he also said that Grubby is a good player.

[@airdoctor1251]

@@antizombie7345 Simply put , he doesn't want to lose his job as a caster.

[@redishdude]

Well, burrows should not have that much of atack damage, they give good shelter and are defensiv structures as well, pretty much stupid. Either they don't give shelter or don't give damage at all.

[@frederikgoogel5611]

would also like to hear grubbys view on the current state of the game (also balance) and the scene. While tod is salty i think you need some guys like him and if the games are over, he seems like a nice person. Hes a good caster when he needs to be professional, he seems to really care about the scene. i like what he does with his town hall series. but i think some things happened between those two nobody of us know, so heres hoping someday it still will happen.

[@herpaderp2191]

Once ToD finds out about invulnerability potions I think these games are going to be significantly harder.

[@danilovega2029]

He just might... give him time this game is only 18 years old!

[@aleksitjvladica.]

Yeah wow.

[@larrydavid5260]

it's more like, just hero focus

[@themukbros8518]

@@danilovega2029 LMAOOOOOOO

[@martinkrauser4029]

@@kevin-7091 speak for yourself

[@anderseriksson6445]

You're a class act Manuel, proud of you for how you handled your opponent's toxic behaviour.

[@dolusdirectu]

My man TOD looks so professional with that suit until he speaks.

[@ryanlutz1216]

I appreciate the fact that you post your losses as well as your wins. In replay videos, it's easy to only post your wins to make yourself look better than you are, but often times you learn more from losses than wins.

[@derschnuff8819]

I enjoy actually seeing you to be a fair player and not getting salty against your enemies even something goes wrong and leads to defeat. Not many players can get over that so balanced. Gl for your next games an keep bringing glory to the horde!

[@arete7884]

3 years later and now hes playing bnet and crying about balance in way to sway balance notes :D sad times for grub

[@Sam-mm1qj]

You're a class act for the way you handled reforged itself.

[@TheF1lth]

Fantastic games! Nothing better than watching two highly skilled players fighting

[@MrSoulpolo]

This vid showed me why i love WC3 much more then SC2. Thx to you 2 guys... Tod and Grubby.. Real nice games ..

[@JP-ks3kh]

I'm a simple man. I see Grubby vs LeTod. I hit like.

[@theancestor3531]

If tod can be a great caster with such a strong french accent you can do anything, don't give up

[@benjaminw.3198]

2:03:05 this is the best xD + the in-game moment 1:37:02 best reaction ever xD the cheeky steal followed by the casual "lol". Made me laugh so much

[@leonardmartin6048]

Ah, Le salt! Welcome back😊

[@thedeadbaby]

His salt is powered by all the salty boogers in his big nose.

[@Troglor048]

I'm always surprised how Grubby is able to beat mass breakers and dig himself out of what looks like a hopeless situation.

[@spirosbotos9967]

I know right

[@ataozokur5162]

Nice video man! It is always to pleasure watch you play with ToD!

[@crodude743]

So nice to see Tod getting rekt again and again and again...

[@aivarasdanila5450]

3-2 isnt getting rekt

[@trulsbendiksen9990]

Tod won 3 and grubby 2?

[@aivarasdanila5450]

@@trulsbendiksen9990 other way around I think

[@junlim7330]

Man, the contrast between ToD 's expression and grubby in the thumbnail is interesting

[@azaratmitrionzintos161]

I think this picture of Tod is the only one anyone use to create thumbnails :)

[@Claptrap_]

ToD the badboy of warcraft there is also a rumor that he punshed his opponent on a LAN.

[@IHateEliranAtar]

ToaD: "why u so fake" Grubby: *smirks* I would've thought ToaD engages in psychological warfare if I didn't know him better.

[@redford4ever]

Yes, like you know him nearly as well as he knows Grubby. I don't agree with Tod that being polite is being fake. But I can imagine Grubby isn't always the incredibly lovely front he puts up in streams. ToD thinks that Grubby types GL HF bc his fans would not like it if he didn't. ToD thinks that it's beneath oneself for a top player to start play multiple races bc it pleases the audience. I disagree, but those aren't points devoided of merits either. If you see his discussion on his Town Hall or his jokes with his pals when commenting, there's a culture of cheerful roasting and being "funny dicks" I can relate to (I had that in my circles too) and I can get why he may not be overly excited at the "let's all be cheerful and impassioned all the time".

[@IHateEliranAtar]

@@redford4ever I know him well enough to know he's a petulant man-child. This isn't even about the "gl hf". It's about him whining every time things don't go his way. He constantly complains about balancing in the game. Grubby types "gl hf" because it's an unwritten rule in sportsmanship in wc3 circles. I don't think this defines good sportsmanship. In fact, I think it makes no sense to wish someone you want to beat "good luck". However, ToaD's inability to congratulate his opponent for winning ("gg"), and his inability to own his mistakes, prove he's a petulant man-child who should be ridiculed. - "I lost because speed scrolls are too op". - "I lost because grubby plays rat style (or in other words, he's kiting him, suggesting kiting amounts to playing dirty)". - "I lost because grubby is fake". As for his chat, I saw some of them sniping Grubby during their matches. This of course, doesn't reflect on ToaD himself, however, but it's fairly obvious his toxic behavior creates this. He's like the Jose Mourinho of wc3. Please. Stop defending this arrogant little boy who desperately needs to learn a lesson in humility. And no one is asking him to be "cheerful and impassioned all the time". We're asking him to grow up.

[@Norbingel]

@@IHateEliranAtar in the recent SAHSC Grandfinal between Happy and Sonik which ToD was casting along with Back2Warcraft and others, I counted ToD reference Grubby's "unkillable" expansion burrow at least 3x. Pretty funny if you've seen the game between him and Grubby where he said it too. I think he was trying to be casual about it but it seemed to me the salt still seeped thru

[@razrboy20]

32:38 "Do you think reforge brought in any new players?" I really like Grubby's answer here.

[@miguelpanta]

the amount of multi tasking in these games is sickening. kudos to both. i dont like the attitude if Le Salt though.

[@mcesseny]

There are not so many satisfying things in wc3 as seeing Grubby kicking Tods ass

[@lonewolf9455]

Damn spoilers! xD

[@pohmetable]

i hate you bro :(

[@paullehobbit1964]

@@lonewolf9455 but it starts 0-2...!^^'

[@Prosperroify]

You're the real thing Grubby. Very fun to watch.

[@staceygram5555]

Please don't mute ToD :( Salt is delicious!

[@smhht]

I don't mind if he does. He can then focus more on the game, thus producing more salt (even if we can't see it) :P

[@staceygram5555]

@@smhht If salt is spilled and no one is around to taste it, does it have a taste?

[@smhht]

@@staceygram5555 Believe me, I can smell ToD's salt even if I can't see it. The more Grubby wins the more drama there is :D.

[@mightylitty681]

Alex S who cares what you smell , it’s about me

[@smhht]

@@mightylitty681 nah it's actually about Grubby really. But anyway, I'm not being serious. I enjoy seeing salt too.

[@KaiWeissmann]

Imagine a ultimate so bad that you pick Farsight over it at level 7...

[@Ta3iapxHs]

And farsight level 2 at level 8. And farsight level 3 at level 9. :P

[@awc7279]

DK ultimate.

[@Ta3iapxHs]

@@awc7279 yes that's worse for sure.

[@MagicRabbit]

@@awc7279 Lich Ultimate

[@cassiosousa1912]

I'm a begginer, but I realised that half of the ults rarely come in play, is that right? Maybe more than half

[@kostasvapo69]

once i knew a sea which was more salty than TOD, i am joking ... nothing is more salty than TOD!

[@ladiesfirst9030]

Sea witch which*

[@skillzorz101]

54:33 Wow that final SH attack was awesome.

[@alexanderwolf3947]

Its obviuos that Grubby plays better and still it is so difficult for him to win. These things show that human is really powerfull.

[@redford4ever]

Those are two of the top level players. Historically they've always been a close match, with Grubby doing a bit better than ToD but not always. Keep in mind ToD is the 2nd all time best western player behind Grubby... but before Happy. (which is arguably bc balance was broken against UD for so long).

[@alca7538]

As soon as Grubby was in the lead 3-2 he decided to watch replays :D

[@thomaschung5623]

When grub has his mouth closed, he means business

[@aghadmtl]

Thomas Chung quite the opposite

[@vm5773]

The salt. I wish ToD would just be a better sport, and do a "gl hf" at the beginning of the game. It may be a rhetorical thing to say that, but it just shows sportsmanship, and that you are showing respect to your opponent, by wishing them good luck. That is not being fake. It just means that you can acknowledge the skill of your opponent, before you lower your visor. ToD played well, but he would have been so much further ahead if he didn't suicide his MK every time, without an INVUL potion on hand, or at least swap the TP portal from the archmage to the MK - kind of hard though with the war stomp and chain lightning, though.... maybe cast invis on the MK, when surrounded?

[@grufgoinHAHAHA]

I personally dont consider typing GL HF, or GG and the end being so important. It is not 'official rule' to do that. Grubby does that, but plenty of other players dont. The reason why Grubbys followers are mocking ToD is becouse of his childish behaviour (not being objective, narcissism lack of humility. Had he shown a bit of that, nobody would mind not typing fuckin GG or whatever during games. But It is ToDs foult that this kind of 'Rivalry 'situation escalated. It is simply becouse of his inability to accept his loses. and simply say: ok I lost , I made some mistakes , I should learn from them, lets move ahead.

[@danilovega2029]

@@grufgoinHAHAHA I only started following wc3 in march this year again. However his bm has been true since both of tods and grubbys pro crareers!

[@Christoff070]

I mean, do you really understand the history they have? maybe ToD saves both their time by not typing gg . I don't think there's much animosity here

[@grufgoinHAHAHA]

@Tangela Merkel magnus is emotional specifically angry at himself. That is different.

[@Claptrap_]

They played so long together and won nearly everything they have alot of respect for each and dont need phrases.

[@opsimathics]

got my salad and roasted beef ready, came for the ToD salt seasoning

[@atomisten]

the most im waiting for are games where tod loses then complains. too bad you muted him i would have loved watching the malding :D

[@CMZneu]

does it say "our gorilla needs a mom" voice line???

[@liefur]

54:30 that last hit from fs on archmage during tp LOL

[@JeanNezMarre25]

Like most people, I hate this ToD. A toddler in the body of an adult. Always a pleasure when I see or feel him rage :D

[@MrSpen1989]

TOD just wants to be you Grubby... Don't take it personally. Honestly though, I do worry about him. It's easier to be happy rather than mad, angry or sad :P

[@BIaZeDaSHeLL]

I feel like he needed to do more hit and runs the first two games

[@purpseven1854]

The last game was so intense had me on the edge of the seat. Well played Grubby. These are epic games.

[@MehmedTube]

very cool video grubby, i thing this video deserves a lot of views, this is grubby vs Tod come on.... omg i was waiting for a game like this :D

[@BobMarly-z4n]

tod is the artosis of wc3 he is going to play it professionally untill the competition pool is so small he can finnaly win

[@JustinSeizure]

These games made it very clear how broken spellbreakers are.

[@Stat1onary]

I see Grubby building wind riders, I see Grubby lose.

[@fred22mubh1]

w3 gruby. epic comeback

[@Beiskraft]

No don't close the Salt Mine, don't mute him :D

[@ShiningInTheName]

It's so unreal to see, how ToD was good, solid, unyielding, precise in first, two matches. I even had some respect for him because of that. But then, in all later games, it look like he was cramped, relaxed or maybe burned out and straight lost 3 game, one after another, without any real, good effort. Or maybe it's just Grubby got better in time. Either both. Anyway GGs.

[@Opi395]

He's hard on himself with mistakes that he thinks he knows better than to make. Anyone who tries their best can have this happen or they take mistakes on grace and reflect on it. You'll naturally have the first happen and in order to turn it into a graceful reflection is a skill that a person has to develop. At least that's what I've noticed as someone who had this issue and resolved it. Always a struggle though at times

[@Norbingel]

Wouldnt you get more time by hitting the creeps and waiting just before they actually attack to stun them? They have to do their getting up aimation and wind up animation so a stun would extend that time before their actual attack. Stunning them right away bypasses the getting up animation time and wind up. At least that's what we used to do in dota.

[@kevin-7091]

2 Hours of Saltiness? 😳

[@7Shol]

1:27:33 nice chain lightning 👌😂

[@skillzorz101]

1:37:04 that pendant snatch is hilarious.

[@Merenor01]

Insane gameplay! but i find it a bit rude that ToD doesn´t write glhf back.

[@marcellmonteirocruz2475]

he's just being himself, he doen't feel like doing it, i dont think its a big deal people are diferent and that's great

[@hawkstrike18]

@@marcellmonteirocruz2475 because ignoring others = being different & unique Sure, if you don't feel like greeting others and saying gl (it shows sportsmanship, if you mean it; who says grubby means it, you cannot know), by all means don't, but it shows something. Should ppl hate you for it? No, but most ppl like to hate others and find excuses anyway. Now, I just started watching their videos so I'm unaware of how both of them "behave" (well, irl they could be better or worse, tho, you can't judge someone based on their WC 3 "personas"), and speaking generally, but yh.

[@ainalarsson1728]

@@marcellmonteirocruz2475 Yeah, some people salty fa**ots

[@hitoshijun2600]

the salt is real.

[@chazzz284]

I like Tod as a player but he's a difficult personality to warm to. Wouldn't say Grubby is a 'fake' he's building a channel and followers so makes sense to be good mannered, whether he believes it or not!

[@mudmixahhh]

Grubby OP!!!!🔥

[@wowdriver1883]

Again enemy's Sheep in your base long time : 52:28 - 52:30 🐑 And, Barrels with Explosive : 55:17 - 55:19 🙄 Activate that in Enemy's unit's.

[@thehoerscorral8565]

I've noticed that while Grubby does a good job of killing critters out on the map because of his 'luck' with them blocking his units and gettingthem killed, he OFTEN ignores them in his main/expansion, and I always wonder how many are mechanicals in these games.

[@Claptrap_]

Barrels only explode in the campaign

[@wowdriver1883]

@@Claptrap_ possible. But, He can check it. 🙄

[@gabenvandenbrink9114]

@@wowdriver1883 Like he has the time to check fake barrels lol

[@dankwarmouse6248]

@@wowdriver1883 lol what he already knows that they don't, they're not even clickable. He's been playing this game for almost 20 years

[@darklanouou]

this kodo hunt at 1:58:00 daaaaamn epic

[@colgema007]

Here two big players👏👏👏

[@TaBaoHoBa]

That was such a pain to watch, mass casters and sb are super annoying when you don't have dmg dealer... I miss good old BM

[@gastonlanteri1147]

You know things are going to get messy when the TC reachs lvl 5. Damn, like he was losing all the fights TIL TC goes like "ups, level 5!" and the first inmediate rush after that... He wins. Orcs are so OP after the initial minutes.

[@Sam-mm1qj]

In my mind when i played warcraft 3 ladder many years ago. I was as pro as grubby in the first 12 seconds - Orc burrow/ Altar - Peon / Barracks - After that - i'm me and noob again hahahha

[@cinanglai]

A sprinkle of salt makes the game tastier. _Salt bae ToD_

[@phantomtr1]

thanks for explaining why u lost and what could have been done

[@eduardosimonsendelima3329]

GOD BLESSED YOU GRUBBY ❤❤😂❤❤

[@daydreamers8254]

doesn't placing kodos and raiders in same ctrl group slow down the raiders? or other units faster than the kodo? or did they fix that

[@BIaZeDaSHeLL]

you have to turn formations off

[@terryteoh4517]

ToD

[@noelsanmiguel857]

You're so good while you playing orc

[@menpower1]

Would BM and SS be better against sanctum? Obviously you'll need to choose your heroes before he chooses his units, but knowing ToD if he plays sanctum once he'll always play sanctum.

[@benjaminlocks]

Ohhh this is gonna be good!

[@dorylaions]

i keep seeing casual plebs here keep flaming Tod for his general behavior. And I'm like, who cares, lol? People tend to forget that these players are highly invested and competitive. I understand that Grubby has this general positive attitude that everyone loves, but that is not the only way to exist. Now I don't mean to bash Grubby or praise Tod here, I'm just glad to see competetion and ambition at its best. People who hate Tod gotto remind themselves that he's one of the few people that are still trying to play this game at top level still in 2020. I honestly wouldn't want to see a pro scene without ppl like Tod in it. Salt is just another flavor. =)

[@kimasbeck3349]

We need Tod, as much as Batman needs the joker

[@Opi395]

People are naturally attracted to positivity and enthusiasm. It's contagious. People also thrive off negativity and that can also be contagious. Meaning negative people will always be surrounded by negativity and vice versa. Peolle are wired to interact with each of these players as they do because of these traits of human behavior.

[@Vahe345]

Dumbula calls you war chief lol you are the war chief!

[@anubhob12345]

I love your gameplay but i am a noob.. could u tell me where can I start with Warcraft 3

[@Ainigma]

27:24 AHAHA Tod Curse 4 Rings

[@davidfiru2194]

1:27:42 thats how u respect a bat rider

[@rosgoncharuk2403]

Ah, 2.3 hours of Grubby vs AM/MK/Rifle/Sanctum, what can be better?!

[@iwintersun]

On and OFF, On and OFF and ON Again.

[@fbruvik]

Why the long face Grubby?

[@xXFoZXx1]

It's very sad to see two friend like this having beef together. I remember 4K.. Back then. Very few people will remember this but I do. Miss you guys friendship

[@kirktown2046]

A Kodo ate my dad's Buick.

[@sentinel3541]

Does shaman purge dispel the dragonhawnk esnare? Does the dissenchant of the tauren chaman work also?

[@leecrotty658]

No the aerial shackles are a skill channeled

[@sentinel3541]

@@leecrotty658 thanks. I was a bit confuse coz we can purge root from the keeper but I just realize it's a dot.

[@mamak339]

boris marcour the root isn't a channeled spell

[@chapterneingh]

To the tune of Akon's i wanna love you: ahem You hear him whining and crying, about that race yet even in a human mirror he'd manage to complain his handle is ToD (is ToD) he always complains his handle is ToD (is ToD) he always complains

[@H4veS0meH3art]

Well played lol

[@msakallioglu]

Why do they keeping going with same heroes etc. Was hoping to see BM

[@Clemcouanouz]

Hey I have a noob question lol, why grubby doesnt upgrade the last spell of shamans? Is it because it takes to much mana or it's a question of timing / gold cost?

[@noahtan4856]

I believe it’s cause ToD’s spellbreakers could steal Shamans’ bloodlust, so it would have just given an advantage to ToD.

[@mjolnir9421]

toxic tod, the baguette

[@SataPataKiouta]

So apparently this game is so dead , that in high ranks only ToD and Grubby are the last survivors duking it out.

[@FluentinLove]

When Grubby loses; we all lose

[@torresleandroezequiel7898]

I remember when you and tod play all time togheder what happend?

[@josedasilva6885]

GG

[@zvi0077]

If Tod hates Grubby so much why do he agree on playing a clash series vs grubby ?

[@Yamaneko81]

i wish Blizzard supportted this Game the same way Microsoft does with age of empires 2

[@vexcel6958]

Where can i find builds for any race?

[@Birdeeh]

juicy vid

[@catalyticcentaur5835]

4 years ago, but the micro... wow.

[@my-sk3iv]

i like both of them but to be honest human and orc look so casual in compare with happy 's undead ; so scary ... only moon can get so scary at times

[@warog96]

May be i did miss something, why dont you play on reforged graphics?

[@dorylaions]

because they suck?

[@0tf850]

Glitchy. Not polished enough yet.

[@miguelpanta]

the hide-out @ 5:13

[@robj4078]

ToD dispatches you handily in those first two games. If it wasn’t for the fact he’s an insufferable turd of a person, I’d probably sing his praises and celebrate his victories. A shame, really.

[@DivineAtheistWannabe]

why he's salty about Orc race. Idk about now, but in the past humans had Mass Gryphons strategy that orc just couldn't seem to have an answer for. It was just sad. Orc air is so bad.

[@Langweilig01]

@@DivineAtheistWannabe one word: Batriders

[@gor818]

Rob J i lolled. Out loud, literally. Ty

[@kougou48]

1:37:05 Game was won right there.

[@Claptrap_]

2old lions fighting.

[@jonathandunbar7721]

gooooooooooooo