Gruesome Child Killer: The Story Of The Sunderland Strangler

[@cyndih1993]

Is this a joke? 3 bodies found burned and not deemed suspicious?

[@ninalee8705]

For real tho

[@benmcreynolds8581]

I strongly disagree, I have met some of the kindest most caring empathetic people who have went through the most horrific suffering. It's only certain people that want to inflict violence to others if they've suffered.

[@PickemMMA]

I was molested as a kid and I don’t go around killing people to take my anger out… some people just enjoy killing people

[@TahtahmesDiary]

@@PickemMMA I was too for many years by my adoptive father…I hope you’ve found healing! I also have chosen to help people despite my pain instead of continue the cycle. It’s only logical and most of us are good people.

[@alisonalibongo3177]

i was fostered at 15 had social workers from a young age, i never turned out like my mom, i learnt how not to be a like mother.

[@evangelene12]

It takes two factors. Genetic predisposition and environment. I heard it said best as: Genetics load the gun, but the environment fires it". Some people are born with less empathy but a caring environment keeps those impulses in check. People born without psycopathic tendencies or other mental problems will naturally be more resistant to environmental influence. But genetics and environment together will create the perfect storm.

[@whitedragoness23]

At this point he had two choices, to follow his family in violence and harm...or get away from it. He took the wrong road, and his family screwed him.

[@benmcreynolds8581]

Did anyone ever think he set the fires to also cover up any possible sexual abuse he did to the victims? I really feel he was trying to cover that up.

[@sweeteahoney]

Me too!!!!. That's what I was thinking, as well. Some people in this world, makes it a scary place to exist in ..😢

[@PeaceLoveHonor]

The video does explicitly say this.

[@zerofuckkksgiven8027]

Yes

[@catnk9]

Of course he did...

[@erroneouse1929]

I think every boy he killed were also homosexuals

[@domeatown]

it struck me very quickly how much all these boys look similar, and how much they look very like Steven himself. Something very strange was going on in his mind. It was like killing himself through other people.

[@ninalee8705]

Interesting analysis

[@guffmanvansickle8386]

My thoughts exactly

[@dickrichard626]

No they don't, You just don't notice finer details and differentiate or something. They all look different from one another. . .

[@domeatown]

@@dickrichard626 idk maybe they look more different in places that are less ethnically diverse than here. Depends on what you're used to? I don't know I still maintain they all look very similar Doesn't change the fact that he's a monster, anyway, and all those wonderful boys deserved literally anything but this. They deserved a life of love and peace and understanding

[@melaniedawn9255]

No reason to see these as suspicious? Are you for real??? Three in three months!

[@billyboycinci]

Exactly. The police officers involved in this should be fired. Why would they dismiss the death of a teenage boy as a drug death? Have they never heard of a post mortem exam? They'd have found out he was strangled. Idiots! And the UK prison sentences are a joke. "Three life sentences" will probably end up more like 12 years!

[@stormangelus6638]

Right?! They wanted to just dismiss it because they didn't want to do the work. It sounds more like they were trying to find a reason to just dismiss cases so their workload wouldn't have been so heavy. Incompetence!

[@stormangelus6638]

@@billyboycinci AND the medical examiners! How do you miss ALL the signs in three separate victims?

[@whitedragoness23]

They must be really behind in technology…

[@jmar692003]

The sister was absolutely correct. It was so irresponsible to assume these deaths were drug related.

[@Tinywars]

Not really. Glue sniffing was rife during the 80's and early 90's. It would of been poor policing if they didn't at least consider solvant abuse.

[@Man-From-Another-Place]

@@Tinywars Were they supposed to have set themselves alight then?

[@Idk-rp4nk]

Growing up I always thought that monsters were scary creatures to only find out they are humans walking amongst us

[@casmckay8034]

Yup ...I met scarier people than monsters, I work in a certain criminal hospital in the Netherlands..the most scary part is some of these will get out again ..

[@moviemonster2083]

Yes, for me, an indication of my psychological maturation was that I realized I had no reason to fear ghosts, aka dead people. It was the living ones who were the real villains of the piece.

[@capalottooski6181]

Exactly Right

[@TheAbomb]

Exactly, i agree and they dont wear shirts that say im a pedophile, rapist or murderer, thats the scariest part. They look just like us and usually hiding behind being a productive member of society.

[@jamesgreen1166]

Amogus

[@kevinbaird7277]

I lived in Sunderland from 1989 to 1994, great town but I remember well these deaths, so many people were killed in just a few years, horrific.

[@TahtahmesDiary]

There was an excellent point briefly mentioned about the dismissal of teen boys who are missing that results in not checking for sex crimes and assuming other deviant behavior which helps people get away with crimes against them. Very specific, but if they took ALL missing kids seriously it wouldn’t be as big of an issue.

[@cheryllynn2891]

YES!

[@chrissyb.8129]

B6

[@whitedragoness23]

It needs to be standard to check all missing person(s) from run away to prostitutes (might be harder to keep track of) They can create a new section in the police department which handles minor missing cases, run away kids, to serious cases. At least it would help building up the evidence and clues which could prove to be crucial rather than say that person will come back/ or we can’t act unless a body is found

[@MrDeelightful]

@@whitedragoness23 As much as I agree with you, a division like that would be constantly underfunded and overwhelmed. I'm not sure of the numbers but police probably get way too many missing cases to fully investigate each one with any kind of speed. I guess that work could be contracted out to another agency that specifically handles missing persons? As for the OP in this thread, I definitely agree on that. It seems really strange how many kids go missing and aside from a small local effort, not enough resources are put into the case. Horrible stuff.

[@lagresomadsl]

If we look into Marc Dutroux, we understand fully why missing children is not taken seriously. England has its own turn of this. Rotherham. The Catholic Church, etc. There is a reason for the light weight excuses used when children is missing...

[@recklesskelly7521]

Some people are just weirdos. The real monsters are always human.

[@xauvon5859]

Aren't the weird people human too?

[@recklesskelly7521]

@@xauvon5859 what....did you miss the word "people" in that statement??? 🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦 bonehead.

[@paintedpony2935]

Once again, the incompetence of the police reigns supreme. The police should be charged as accessory in at least 1 of these murders.

[@theresarasche3173]

AND the pathologist...if people are strangled the hyoid bone is broken so they can tell by that! So very sad and hope the family finds peace 🙏

[@ninalee8705]

The police 🚔 are horrible

[@jimmyormerod4075]

are you insane how did they do anything wrong didnt know police could read minds now there wasnt enoghe evidence agaisnt him so they have to realese him

[@nala7658]

@@theresarasche3173 your right BUT when a body is burnt that bone can also break and even shatter (or so I’ve read)

[@bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24]

If it was mean tweets or political "wrong think" the police would pull out all stops murder however just isn't high in their prioritys

[@joshuagibson1307]

I used to work in a factory with an old fella who drove past one of the crime scenes in he’s van and was a suspect by the police they harassed him untill they found the real killer! Tony was a top bloke glad he didn’t get a false murder charge.

[@atlanticsender]

Thomas's sister, so lovely. Hope she's ok. I know you don't move on, you just learn to live in a different way

[@ZyKLonBē]

That Dr. Elizabeth Yardly is lovely. I could probably just listen to her talk the whole episode

[@sophiejameson4064]

Thomas Kelly had such a sweet face. The whole case was such a tragedy, worsened by the fact that the police really dropped the ball. Shameful.

[@winningsides7347]

35:12 She has a point, what was the gap he took from murdering his first victim, and waiting years to murder his next three, just to do the murders in the short span of 3 months. It would be good to know what happened in that gap and what he was up to, if he murdered anyone else during that period.

[@benmcreynolds8581]

It's so annoying when in trail or investigating, if the methods of killing were different then they can't convict. It's absurd to think a serial killer would only kill the same way Everytime. A serial killer could kill differently every time and that should be obvious.

[@moimoi8161]

Lmfao obviously you haven't studied psychology, criminology, psychiatry or law to come up with such comment. it's not they can't convict it's just more difficult to complete the puzzle 🤦‍♀️

[@acethebase735]

Well yes but it’s difficult to piece together that way like @moi moi said. Also, I believe that a serial killer usually has a “trademark” so to speak. This is obvious if you look at cases like Jack the Ripper (knife wounds, removal of organs, targeting prostitutes), James Fairweather (stabbing out the eyes), or Jeffery Dahmer (drugging victims, dissolving flesh with acid). It’s a psychological phenomenon which I can’t remember the name of but it’s how serial killers are tracked, usually. It gives the detectives a starting point which lets them find evidence, in theory of course.

[@ninalee8705]

Yep

[@emmah_6__]

I’m so glad Emma Kenny hasn’t reared her head in any of these documentaries so far. So refreshing. 100% less annoying to watch.

[@pyewackett5]

- don't forget that Wilson bloke & the Yardley woman . All intensely annoying

[@Binki-Beloved]

Agreed 💯 %

[@DC3Refom]

@@pyewackett5 what i find irritating about Elizabeth Yardley is she always states the bloody obvious , like we are thick as a plank of wood

[@mysteriousstranger6030]

She has a bad case of "Tabloid Brain"

[@LonelyCinderella123]

@sims and stuff I find all the so-called experts to be the same. 90% just their opinions and the obvious. This show would be much better if they cut down these interviews and covered the cases in more detail.

[@grottybt5006]

Every time these people do a disturbing murder, which is pretty often if you watch a lot of true crime, they get excused or blame it on some oppression. Could it be that they are just more likely to be a weird killer and that's why the were historically shunned?

[@peterbamforth6453]

I have a great ammount of empathy for the poor 14 year old schoolboy............At the age of 14 (with the stepmother from hell) I ran away from home I was very naive and was hitchiking from leeds to colechester to go to my auntie.At a place called haverhill I was given a lift by a gentleman in a morris minor.After a while in a small country lane he reached into the glovebox took out a penknife put it to my throat and told me to take my trousers down.........Well I had no comprehension of peadophiles, child murderers so I had no idea of what danger I was in.So I started to cry crockodile tears Then he got a little more aggressive and I started to cry for real..........He then said GET OUT so I opened the door and got out and asked for my rucksack.He got out and opened the boot and threw the rucksack at me and drove off.I wandered down the lane and saw a light at a junction there was a car showroom/garrage.I stood there for a while and a police car pulled up and asked me what I was doing .I said I was on my way to see my auntie.They took me to the police station and bought me fish and chips phoned my aunt who later collected me.What I have to say is I never told the police my aunt or my father ...I think it might have been his first time and I was bloody lucky. I am sure he might have tried again.Why did I not say anything? I felt ashamed and did not think that I would be believed.

[@kyrie363]

lyndsey kelly seems like a truly wonderful person, I cant imagine the struggle they dealt with but im so glad shes willing to help the general public and their curiosity with her interviews. I sincerely wish her the best

[@K1lostream]

I've seen a few of these documentaries now, and noticed Dr Elizabeth Yardley always says the same things in all of them; It was about power, it was about control, it was all about them etc. Maybe all serial killers are the same, but I feel she could have varied the script a bit!

[@PlatinumIrishrose]

You know, even if she wants to, if the Producers want her to say the same thing in every episode, then that is what she has to say.

[@zeejimi4044]

The police interviewed the murderer in connection with each of the murders, but never made charges after doing so. Also, the pathologists overlooked some evidence on the - admittedly - charred bodies of the victims. This case reminds me a bit about Peter Sutcliffe‘s (the Yorkshire Ripper) who was also on the police‘s radar several times before he was caught and charged.

[@paulward4395]

Empathy is the ability to see life through the eyes of another person, and those who suffer in childhood usually have empathy, recognizing the distress in others.

[@sirandrelefaedelinoge]

Thanks for telling us that Little-known fact.

[@raymondkymsuttle]

There are so many comments hear saying they should stop ‘excusing’ the behaviour but they’re not excusing or rationalising it, they’re EXPLAINING why he ended up becoming a serial killer.

[@zerofuckkksgiven8027]

Amen! Thank you! Drives me crazy how bad these comments are on here. Most people are literally dumb and can’t think fully therefor put their own dumb comments on here. It’s all over on other video comments as well.

[@DarrenMalin]

they are making excesses for the scum.

[@dinatocco4403]

This program's title indicates it's about the killer. I agree that sometimes people's comments are just like, HUH? What? Really?

[@Zer0.Seven.Zer0]

Nothing is an excuse for repeating behaviour and murder! Not even a bad childhood

[@chezo2292]

I totally agree not all child that had a bad childhood becomes a killer.. no excuse

[@whopiddledonyourposttoasti175]

Agree. I had a horrific childhood with abuse in ways a normal person can't imagine...I became a nurse. My thoughts were I could use my experiences and pain to emphasize and heal others as I healed myself.

[@pickledragonrebel]

Noones saying that as an excuse. Its a reason. There is no nature OR nuture. There has to be the right combination of bad childhood and born without coping skills to overcome adversity. Only by finding the real reasons why these perps turn out this way can we ever hope to prevent them from being created in the first place

[@zerofuckkksgiven8027]

Missed the point

[@catspyjamas9959]

I never understand why someone would want to kill children.

[@rosemarypeace9000]

What a lovely sister of thomas kelly it's almost like he knew his fate that day squeezing sister's hand bless her my heart goes out to her out to them heartbreaking rest in peace thomas 😔

[@Blackmittens]

Wtf he was brought to Supreme Court for taking one nail out of a package ?!?!??

[@sirandrelefaedelinoge]

Not Supreme Court; pay attention.

[@flauwegeit]

First time shoplifting and they literally nailed him >

[@anglofrancaiseyvonne9349]

This is sad in a way, people making children with no notion how to bring them up..It's supposed to be a parents job to take care of them

[@stormangelus6638]

Yeah, but some people don't deserve to be parents.

[@anglofrancaiseyvonne9349]

@@stormangelus6638 think before you leap my dad always said...

[@stormangelus6638]

@@anglofrancaiseyvonne9349 I prefer the way my grandmother used to say it: "Get a toy, it's available when ready and doesn't cause pregnancy."

[@TheAedee]

These can't be his only victims, there are much more that haven't been discovered.

[@yankeetherebel]

39:50 "experience some emotions but not all emotions" Uhh... well, by that definition, wouldn't most people be considered psychopaths?

[@teshlafreeman4040]

Being a psychopath doesn't mean you are an evil killer it just means some of your emotions don't work. I haven't killed anyone yet..

[@kyrie363]

gosh it seems like if theres a gap they just havent found those victims yet...how awful

[@ThunderMaiden]

Stop using bad childhood as an explanation or possible explanation, it’s a choice they make!!! Most of those who grew up in abusive family relations, would never ever think of trying to hurt anyone, not a single living being.

[@casmckay8034]

If was only that simple I work in a criminal insane asylum in Holland, your brain is not fully developed until you are about 22 . Yes it's a choice but maybe a choice by a seriously mental I'll person,and that's somtthing else.dont get me wrong I'm for serious punishment but what you say and got true thank god doesnt apply for every kid some go beyond crazy and yes a large part is due to their childhood..

[@doctorshell7118]

Statistically, serial killers are way more likely to have had “bad”childhoods than not.

[@whitedragoness23]

@@casmckay8034 then they shouldn't be near any drugs or mind-altering substances until 23. Or vote, or make major descions

[@casmckay8034]

@@whitedragoness23 correct

[@raymondkymsuttle]

You’re over simplifying things horribly. Yes, some people with good childhoods commit atrocities but a traumatic childhood increases the likelihood of criminal behaviour.

[@ladylaois8184]

Police will cop out of an investigation at any chance. Believe me I know. My young son was killed it was obvious to us. Two years on there unprofessional behaviour is unbelievable. And through this terrible nightmare I have met many other mums and dads that are going through the pain of police neglect and laziness, and total unprofessional conduct.

[@theresarasche3173]

I sure wish the police took this seriously! Of course the courts would of let him off even if it's murder unfortunately.

[@andreasplosky8516]

What are you talking about? He got 4 life sentences.

[@stormangelus6638]

I'm sorry, but all three pathologists and the cops missed him THREE TIMES? That's downright incompetence. How f*cking stupid to you have to be to see that in all 3 cases, one person is the common thread? No, that was outright incompetence and I'd have wanted someone's head for that crap. It wasn't until the families started threatening to make a stink about it that sh*t got done. Those cops needed to be slapped!

[@jjohnston326]

I think she's right about him just wanting to get back into the spotlight. I met a couple guys who were murderers when I went to prison and they LOVED telling the stories of how they killed their victims. I gotta admit, one had a great story of killing a pimp in a boredom alley that was hilarious. They like the attention.

[@raymondkymsuttle]

Weird that Greivson murdered Grieff & caused grief.

[@theresarasche3173]

Life without parole? Unbelievable... I'm so happy he got what he deserved.

[@sharonletchford9375]

why was life without parole unbelivable?

[@dinatocco4403]

@@sharonletchford9375 in the UK? Because it very rarely happens there. Was watching a different episode of this program and Geoffrey Wansell (old dude, red frame specs and bowtie) said that currently there were maybe 60 criminals serving a true "life sentence " in all of the UK.

[@lindadeavours3327]

What did he suffer to bring him this far ? The actor , who portrayed young Steven , was very good. His eyes were very evil . This case was very interesting .

[@SmallegangeGilkes]

He had some real demons in him.. so sad…

[@thomasalvarez2833]

@@SmallegangeGilkes Semens, He Had Some Real Semens In Him !

[@shirleymoreno5050]

My opinion is that there is nothing to cause a person to do this other than they just think that they are above the law. This young man got away with so much and nobody wanted to call him into question. He was gay, yet nobody saw these sex crimes simply because the victims were not female. This is just sad.

[@trishhill7563]

The actor that played him is very purty!!! 😍 He's a good actor, also.

[@lsudx479]

@@trishhill7563 Really? I thought he looked like a burn victim with hair. I thought, "poor guy." 😄

[@michaelforster8440]

I'm from sunderland he tried to stop me and a mate from getting of a bus before he killed them poor lads

[@abigailpatriciadole3167]

This makes me furious! The cops made it possible to kill people who would have otherwise been alive had he been picked up! They didn't value these boys because they were working class!

[@margaretcastell9429]

You are so wrong and uninformed. You probably weren't alive for the Hindley/Brady murders but every person involved was working class. It changed the way children were allowed to play, Britain wasn't used to serial murders until that terrible episode. Most police are working class or close. They don't want children or any person murdered. The perpetrator should always do natural life to protect the public from them. With the marvel of DNA the police have a headstart on a crime that never would have been solved in so many cases. I think different branches of the police now work together instead of being in competition.

[@seconrad1]

Weird to me that nobody questioned what he planned to do w the nail. All who spoke of the issue said it was just juvenile shoplifting. Umm...no. Juvenile shoplifting is abt candy and toys...not a potential weapon.

[@forestdwellerresearch6593]

If you watch the entire series of Most Evil Killers you will end up wanting to Kill the narrator and the experts in the Most Evil way possible.

[@wilzzuu]

the mere incompetence of the people investigating this is infuriating

[@tobyihli9470]

After the third, the police knew. Once he was in prison for robbery, there were no more burning bodies. That should have told them something.

[@ms.chrisie8040]

By not forgiving this deviant he still has power over you & your lost loved brother

[@suzanneradford4356]

WOW TOTAL INCOMPETENCE ON THE COPS PART..LETTING THE MURDERS GO ON,, BAD INVESTIGATING. SHEESH

[@mortsnerd6053]

Rationalization of irrational behavior.

[@catherinehpn3613]

His letter asking for forgiveness is taunting . “ I know I ruined your family’s life” that’s a lot of power and sociopaths are all about control.

[@michaelcampin1464]

David Grief had a brother Warren Grief who became a barrister but he committed suicide in the early 1990s

[@greigallan5845]

Respect to Detective Wilson.

[@ms.chrisie8040]

Absolutely 💯

[@blitzerblazinoah6838]

Why are these serial killers almost always perverts?

[@ms.chrisie8040]

That's a good dang good ????

[@avi10000]

Dr Elizabeth Yardley seems to be sometimes almost smiling but not quite.

[@simonyip5978]

He went to court for stealing a single nail..?

[@robertlafleur8141]

I can't handle this narrator.

[@julieblackstock8650]

Ive never heard of this case and Im an avid true crime fan so thanks for the upload

[@mariadefatima6469]

a lot of us had a worse life then him and more abuse and we didn't go bad no we wanted to show ourselves we r better then all other people think one of the problems we try to do everything perfect don't make escuses for his life in the end we all have a choice as humans

[@zerofuckkksgiven8027]

You missed the entire point

[@whopiddledonyourposttoasti175]

26:45 Dr Yardley, I'm thinking he was not in a position to watch the life drain out of the boys. 27:54 oops, could be true

[@marvinjones1634]

I love the story teller's voice 🎧

[@jameshughes525]

What a ding dong that owner of that hardware store is for pressing charges on an 11-year-old kid for stealing a single nail that is pretty damn bogus if you ask me

[@JuJu-cz1lw]

Dr. Elizabeth Yardley is not wearing purple, what happened?

[@SkunkApe407]

I don't know, but I'd be happier if she just wasn't on the show. Something about her just irritates me to no end. No clue what it is, but she just grates on my nerves.

[@malcolmcook6268]

@@SkunkApe407 It could simply be that her very presence coupled with her opinions are completely irrelevant to the whole sorry saga.

[@johntapp7232]

Maybe the murderer wasn’t narcissistic enough.

[@JuJu-cz1lw]

@@johntapp7232 Good One!!! 😂🤣😂

[@JHMMAFAN]

Oh nonono its not good enough just to say semen found at the scene. You gotta let people know semen found in another dudes STOMACH was used. 27:55

[@LonelyCinderella123]

If they didn't, then people would wonder why it didn't burn up. Also, it just being at the scene wouldn't necessarily connect him to the victim. Would it bother you less if the victim was female? Maybe you're just homophobic?

[@enigmadrath1780]

Body: *incinerates* Police: Is this drugs?????? >_>

[@ms.chrisie8040]

I'm so glad that the families of the victims got together and the coppers moving .on this diviant nut job.

[@sirandrelefaedelinoge]

Deviant...?

[@AliceBowlly]

I would love to know what a psychiatrist would say about someone walking around & looking like they fell face first into their tackle box.

[@karmayt8956]

What, another serial killer from a very large family? I’m seeing a pattern here.

[@sandibaker5298]

Why didn’t they simply put the freak under surveillance?!

[@speedyhog3565]

Police: Burned corpses are appearing everywhere and they all show signs of strangulation. Must be a coincidence, lets do nothing about it.

[@joanneransing388]

please get rid of the guy with the nails in his face. I can't watch.

[@GotMeStumped]

This seems like a carbon copy of Steven Port, just kept getting away with murder...

[@burly636]

Forgiveness is healing, it's not easy, but through God, very possible. We must forgive, we won't be forgiven.

[@voodoochild5440]

Remember, god allowed this to happen.

[@NS1.]

He got 3 life sentences but can get out after 35 years. That means he could be free in 2031. Umm....am I missing something? How does it make any sense to ever let that piece of shit out of prison? 😖

[@christineyetman640]

It always amazing how the experts always seem to find any excuse for these peoples behavior...listen...everybody has got a story..a life of some sort of troubles...it is BS..we all in the end make the final decision to do the things we do...it is a choice

[@raymondkymsuttle]

Thanks for your expert opinion doctor. 🙄

[@zerofuckkksgiven8027]

You missed the entire point

[@terrytowelling1807]

We don't choose to be born, we don't choose our parents or the environment we grow up into, we don't choose how our brains are structured, we don't choose our urges, at what point do we start having a choice? You're confusing choice with having been conditioned into behaving morally? Like a house trained dog

[@erroneouse1929]

@@zerofuckkksgiven8027 you also missed the point

[@trishhill7563]

Not sure who's playing Steven but he's purty!!!😍😍😍

[@cindysmith6612]

Thank You

[@grindcorizer6818]

Very unpleasant narrator's voice. Can't continue watching this. You folks go ahead

[@manafalmola318]

Please would find video about serial killer Britain roberto maudesly

[@guynelson2341]

Great show guy's! Maybe You could do something on Mark Andrew Rowntree and Kenneth Erskine?

[@michaelcampin1464]

I can tell you have never lived in the North East. Ive lived here for over 30 years. You are so wrong with your assumptions

[@juliadesl]

Here’s the British narrator again, speaking as if delivering profound insight, yet states the obvious. They need to get rid of that guy. He never says anything revealing but we are supposed to be gripped by his British accent. At one point he said the boys probably met “playing football”, yet they had already stated the boy was not interested in things like football. He literally just makes shit up and he may as well say blah blah blah. It’s annoying as hell. Between the British guy, hip psychologist and dark haired lady, the only one who gives any small bit of insight, is the dark haired lady.

[@dtaafe2857]

Steven Grieveson was described as a naturally talented footballer who played for local teams in his teenage years. I like the narrator too personally, so I guess it's just opinions. Its not about delivering profound insight, as much as relaying the events, which throughout the series are sickening, it's not an easy topic to narrate! I find his voice is smooth and somewhat, strangely calming, and he does a great job of describing respectfully, what has happened.

[@dtaafe2857]

The 'experts' do irk me though occasionally.

[@darkadamcomics6746]

How come all serial documentaries give them the title "The world's most....?

[@DrBozoEinstein]

I couldn't get past the one co-host's piercings, sorry. Hard to take seriously.

[@dibubeast482]

Smart color choice Geoffrey Wansell has done for his outfit, as always

[@sxbriqa]

i walk past the house one of the murders happened almost every week

[@lanialost1320]

Turned my stomach looking at Chris Carter, supposed best selling author, with his stud piercings. His analysis as a supposed former criminal psychologist was primary-school level -- quote: "Grieveson starts to realise he can actually get away with things" -- what a brilliant analysis -- NOT.

[@dinatocco4403]

I was wondering how one becomes a "former" criminal psychologist. So . . . you gave the degree back?

[@elizabethmcglothlin5406]

On the fourth murder, I think he got bored again. It was an outing.

[@ashraelzola4439]

I´m sorry a young gay man didn´t have support in his formative years... but I´m not sorry a murderer got caught and was incarcerated for robbing other young men of their lives and their futures. There's so many of these stories... "realise they're gay at a young age and then become a murderer, because they had no support" - neither did I and I don´t have homicidal tendencies.

[@moriyarose3587]

Exactly. I'm not homosexual, but I'm sick of this pathetic excuse. His society didn't accept homosexuality, so he had to go he a murderer, apparently. I've heard similar nonsense about Gacy and Dahmer. It's stupid.

[@ashraelzola4439]

@@moriyarose3587 I am part of the LGBT+ community and I am so tired of this narrative. Yes, the world should be more open and supportive of LGBT+ youth, because when a lot of them don´t get support, they take their own lives or get stuck in places, where psychos will take their lives from them. But a person's sexuality has nothing to do with whether or not they committed crimes like this. Society did not push a man to murder, because he was gay.

[@moriyarose3587]

@@ashraelzola4439 I fully agree. I hope my comment came through that way. I 100% agree - his sexuality had nothing to do with this. If it came off as rude, that wasn't my intention. Sometimes tone is hard to interpret online. If he had his family/community to support him, he still would have found another reason to murder those boys. His sexuality was a completely irrelevant factor. I almost feel like they included his sexuality to make the viewer feel bad for him. Like, "Yeah, he's a murderer, but he's gay, so it isn't that bad. At least a straight man didn't murder the boys." Nope. It is irrelevant and patronizing. I hear the same excuse used for Gacy and Dahmer - society didn't accept them being gay. Apparently, according to these "professionals," it's one of the reasons Gacy killed 30+ young men and buried them under his house, until he ran out of room. Then, he just dumped them in a river. If someone wants to discuss acceptance of the LGBTQ community, why it is an important issue, etc - fine. But it should not be in this context. It has nothing to do with this man ruthlessly murdering innocent boys.

[@LonelyCinderella123]

@Moriya Rose The claim was never made that it was the only reason but rather that it was a piece of the puzzle. Also, explaining something isn't necessarily the same as excusing it.

[@pinkyblinders7352]

How tf is burt body of a child not a reason to be suspicious? That should have been better investigated regardless of solvents. Seems every serial killer gets away for so long mostly because of police negligence rather than cunning.

[@carmencita.k]

I'm now wondering why were they bringing him in for questioning? How did he come up on their radar🤔

[@mortalkombat2645]

He was known in the area and people saw him with David. The police found his footprint and finger prints at the scene.

[@skadiwarrior2053]

@@mortalkombat2645 thanks. That was never explained.

[@alysononoahu8702]

Chris Carters credentials? Zero

[@RoderBrent]

' You are moulded by the environment you live in.' Being gay and frowned upon at a time when it was looked down on didn't really help.

[@colinvannurden3090]

Most of the time I watch these videos I'm disappointed with police in the UK. That notwithstanding that guy needs a good stomping.

[@voodoochild5440]

Talk about an incompetent policeforce.

[@jrobertsoneff]

I don;t go with a lot of this bad childhood stuff.i think a lot of the times they just inherited the bad genes.

[@NunayahBuisness]

To all those who apparently didn't actually pay attention they end with words saying not every one who comes from similar circumstances end up like him. It's simply a piece of the puzzle. Stop pretending tue6 said otherwise. If I'm mistaken timestamp when. @41:03

[@prakkari]

This narrator sounds seriously constipated.

[@derekstynes9631]

How Would this Case have been Investigated had Those Young Men been Students of Harrow or Eton ? What a Gross Dereliction of Duty of the original Police Team and Detective Wilson did Fantastic Work when He got Called in to Solve this Monstrous Crime .