GTEYE Brake Spring Mod for the Logitech G27 or G25 reviewed by Inside Sim Racing

[@retrocny5625]

Just in case anyone is watching this now, here's a piece of advice so you don't make the same mistake I did and then have to spend an additional hour with a soldering iron. When you're placing the cover back on, make sure you're extremely careful with where you route the wiring. Due to how logitech designed the wiring "harness" for the G25/G27 wires, it's extremely easy to damage the wiring when reinstalling the cover. I don't mean simply pinching a wire either. The way the wiring is routed, it is VERY easy to have a section of wire near the little anchor piece to end up directly underneath one of the screw holes. The hole in particular I'm referring to is the left hole underneath the carpet gripper. That hole is extremely close to where the wires are running, and if you don't have the wiring exactly where it was when you removed the cover, you can run that screw back in and pierce right through the wire without even knowing your doing it because the screws go in rather snug normally. I installed a spring mod and cleaned out my potentiometers, put everything back together and then fired up iRacing. When I went to calibrate my pedals, my throttle was completely dead. I was stumped as I made sure no wires were pinched when placing the cover back on and installing springs didn't require me to remove the connectors going to the potentiometers. When I went to take the thing apart again, I removed the two carpet gripper screws and that's when the issue caught my eye. I was working under a bright light and I could see a piece of red wire through that very screw hole and that's when I knew I must've damaged a wire. Took it completely open and sure enough, I mangled the black wire going to the throttle pedal. I had to remove the shrink tubing to get to the wire and since the wire is such a thin gauge, I had nothing on hand to splice it with. Thankfully there was just enough slack in the wire so that I could cut the wire, strip the two ends and solder them back together and finish it off with electrical tape. I got pretty lucky to say the least. So just make absolutely sure that no wires are blocking those screw holes. As far as I'm aware, the only hole close to the wiring is that left one under the carpet gripper.

[@stuffanthings]

@untitled. Place the top plastic cover of the pedals upside down over an open box, then place the pedals into their slots in the top plastic part, then route the wiring, then place the plastic base on top and screw down. You're welcome ;)

[@pierremono7673]

Yup, had this happen to me as well. Had to go to the local soldering guy lol

[@sanderaits]

If you unscrew the top end of the "shock" then you can replace the spring without taking the whole thing apart, just the two screws behind the pedal. Just installed it, working great!

[@pato17rio]

Do you mean, you can replace the spring without removing the back cover?

[@sanderaits]

@@pato17rio Yes, just remove the upper screws for the "shock" and pry it out. It will split and you can replace the spring and push it back in.

[@MrXtenzion]

I was thinking if that could be done. Thank you for clarifying!!

[@tonisalminen]

Just replaced the spring without opening the cover. Thank you for the hint!

[@AndrewDrizmo]

Can't do this

[@kenwilkinson]

Thanks for the review. I purchased the GTEYE based on it over a year ago and have no regrets. In fact I can't imagine going back to the stock brake after getting used to this mod. Love your passion for all things sim racing and enjoy visiting your site daily, keep up the good work!

[@VideoOfMike]

Hey shaun, just a little clairfication. The progressive spring will have the same resistance regardless of which direction you apply it, both sides will feel soft and then hard. Because a progressive spring /any non spring with non linear spring constant will go from the weakest to the strongest regions (k value).

[@Metal-Possum]

Tighter coils move first, the angle at which the steel "wire" is gives it less resistance to perpendicular loads.

[@ontheteam00]

Following your video, modding my Logitiech G27 with the GTEYE was a snap. (I also replaced the stock clutch spring with the stock brake spring.) Thanks for the assist.

[@racer454]

Best bang for your buck feels grate transformed my driving experience within a couple of laps in the V8 SUPERCAR i went from 2min 12sec laps of Bathurst to low 2min 8 sec on IRACING with lots of room for improvement. i did install GTEYE BRAKE SPRING with the tight coil facing towards the bottom base of pedals unit with the soft coil part at the top of the brake pedal ass per instructions from GTEYE the new spring does come powdercoated as of 2016 . and calibrating at about 85 percent in IRACING CALIBRATION worked grate for still sockable racing which is what drew me to this mod and no clicks or squeaks perfect. Thanks INSIDE SIM RACING

[@bwxmoto]

I used the Nixim mod ver. 2 and loved it, although I returned the clutch spring to a stretched-out stock spring. I also stiffened up my gas pedal spring with spacers and stretching out stock spring. Then I got Fanatec CSR Elite pedals.. I tightened the throttle pedal all the way, and set brake load cell to about 4.8. I still use socks!

[@StatusQuo209]

You installed the spring backwards. Flip it around and the clicking goes away.

[@CTEDDY47]

GTEYE Installation Instructions PDF Download gteyeblog.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/gteye-pedal-spring-instructions.pdf IMPORTANT: For Brake Spring, install with the closer coils facing downwards to the lower half of the plunger (not as on the video or Shaun Cole of InsideSimRacing mounts to upside...)

[@select20]

CTEDDY47 I noticed this too. I just received mine in the mail. Excited to try it out.

[@louiscannell6274]

I found a piece of soft rubber cut that to size and popped it inside the spring, so far two numpties who brought the overpriced spring have tried it and asked me for one, maybe I should market as a a sim gadget for £15 a throw seems to be a lot of people with more money than sense out there to buy them!

[@MikkoRantalainen]

Just a hint: you're supposed to take the cover off the other way which allows you to route the wiring correctly. Before taking it apart, remove the extra 12 screws in the bottom and raise only the bottom panel. This requires putting the whole pedal set over e.g. a box so that pedals do not touch anything while you're taking the bottom plate away. You still need to remove the pedal faces from the pedals that you want to remove from the set. This way also gives you all the space you need while working with the pedal.

[@soulshinobi]

Jesus, I've been watching Inside Sim Racing videos all day, and I have to say, the video editing needs improvement. This video could easily be half the time. Show the G25/G27 pedal disassembly and reassembly ONCE in a video, and link to it in the description and annotations. That said, keep making videos guys, this is still a great resource!

[@gt1man931]

Just did this mod, did it on my lap and took 15 minutes maybe. Brake pedal feels like a monster now.

[@cosminitro]

Best advice to remember from this video is: the travel memory vs. muscle memory. The later prevails at all times. So, whatever mod yo use, it will definitely be better than stock. Two Quick q's on this: 1. Can I use the stock brake spring for the gas pedal for a little bit more feel ? Did anyone do that ? 2. Is this better than nixim ? Cheers

[@hellobooom]

Clutch spring has far too much rebound for the throttle,

[@TheFantom_X]

It kinda feels that you can put the spring thru the top just by removing the pedal and the top.

[@Darkside_C7]

I just ordered the nixim but also saw this one and passed it up because there wasn't a review for it yet. I think I made correct choice anyway.

[@jssting]

Installed mine last night.... WOW what a difference a little spring can make! Within 15-20 mins I started getting my braking sorted and the laptimes started falling, no more lockups and much more predicable braking especially in IRacing. I can highly recommend this mod to anyone looking for a cost effective hardware mod which still allows you to mod without having to mount the pedal set. Also, I bought it directly from www.gteye.com.au, not via Ebay.

[@mozzmann]

The ONLY way to get progressive tension is to vary the diameter of the spring wire, what is done here is a stiffer wire that makes one end suffer coil bind thus stiffening the response. As for your cables yes spot glue and put a cable clamp on the base so the wiring is not attached to the top cover.

[@amsunofficial7657]

Incredible tutorial. Thanks a lot man! (yeah 5 years later is helpful :D)

[@ThatSB]

Just so you know, opening the pedals does not void the warranty. Neither does opening your computer. It is illegal to void a warranty based on a customer opening the product. Technically it is illegal for them to threaten it, but the legal costs associated with a class action suit just arent worth it

[@initiald3s]

I just purchased the nixem a couple days ago but should have waited for this review haha. Would the nixem really be too stiff to be used with socks?

[@MrBarrett199]

looks good will have to get one. Do they offer any stiffer springs for gas or clutch?

[@Shumayal]

The G920 comes with a rubber insert... Does it still become worth it?

[@tys2313]

looks so much cooler without the cover. im guessing you dont recommend leaving it off?

[@zetuga1969]

Until a few months ago you could only buy the Nixxim mod with the break a clutch mod, wich sets you back £33.49( arround 43€), i bought the GTEYE mod a few months ago for 23€. The Nixxim mod ins't better, its stiffer, with for me means its actualy worse, beacause its to stiff, you can't drive with out shoes. The GTEYE mod is really good and it is a nice upgrade over the stock spring.

[@MegaMrkicker]

I'm thinking of buying the g27 for Euro truck simulator 2. Is this a good idea.

[@eenalleskanaaltwee]

Yes! Iknow that no one has reacted on ur comment, but finally its me here to tell u that it is def worth it! Just was looking for this mod, becuase of the braking in ets2 xd

[@ttfan33]

Great video! I have the Fanatec clubsport pedals,can I use the spring to the gas pedal, the gas pedal are way too light?

[@dill6688]

IMPORTANT: HE PUT THE SPRING IN BACKWARDS

[@antonioo9684]

it does not matter.. aahh you poor guys who knows nothing about physics..

[@nerdMike]

Antonio O but maybe that's why it makes that "click"

[@ThePhoenixWylde]

I run in socks just fin with the Nixim 2 brake mod. It's the best bang for you buck improvement to the G25/27 pedals. Shortens your braking zones like mad because of it's rubber insert adding a real tactile max brake point. I hit all the time and I instantly know I'm at max braking. With a spring, no matter how progressive, will run out of travel and only then will you know your at max braking. There isn't any proper feedback. it's a guessing game, just like the standard Logitech pedals.

[@ComandanteJ]

30 bucks for a friggin' spring, that's just absolutely nuts, the whole simracing gear thing is one of the most overpriced gear ever, more so than high end audio systems.

[@lazarofagundo9931]

You can find the 3 springs kit for 30 bucks. If you want better feeling and better times and dont wanna spend the money.... weellll use the controller , you can have the same results

[@TheKwod]

G27 brake spring is much harder than gas or clutch. I use my G27 mounted to my desk, and I'm reasonably fast with the right cars, but I actually think the gas pedal could be improved a bit as well.

[@tomaszwilczewski1664]

would it work with g920?

[@silviutudorescu8114]

bobby poo aka chill bill #6311 yep, i brough the spring for the brake and gas for my g920 as well

[@13unner]

$30 for a spring...

[@035071]

I have the clubsport pedals and I was wondering. Is the 50 dollar extra spring package worth it? I always thought that the gas pedal was way too light. Is it hard to install? thanks

[@Leemz100]

$30 for a single spring is a tad steep. I'm willing to bet you could find something comparable at your local hardware store.

[@Lvx13]

did you though? no one ever gives any suggestions

[@nerdMike]

69€ for 3 spring its' crazy !!

[@RJTillRacing]

Question for anyone with experience of both: I race a 1987 BMW e30 IRL, (non-power brakes, abs defeated) and I am trying to use sim racing as practice. On my rig my pedals are hard mounted but the chair is a crappy rolling office chair (the crappieness means it doesnt move much on carpet). If the Nixom is comparable to that "stand on it" braking in a real race car with manual brakes then I'm worried that my seat will move.

[@simracingtonight]

RJ Till It may.. time to get a chassis !

[@LucaMarinosci]

+RJ Till Have the same issue...built a hold for the pedals that locks with the chair. Works like a charm =)

[@terryshulmire1102]

Try putting your old brake spring in your cluch..

[@michaelcabrera794]

Will this mod work on the G29 pedals?

[@2pacaveli1988]

It's the same pedals as they sold with the G27 (and I think also with the G25). They really didn't even change much from the interior of the wheel.

[@silviutudorescu8114]

Michael Cabrera yep

[@sanb3135]

friend what solution can you give to the problem that the G27 has with the draiver that does not recognize the changes in H

[@hellomynameistj]

Did I really just watch a 19 minute video about a spring..... WTF

[@wav96]

Thanks, really gives some insight.

[@bwxmoto]

Oh I forgot, I applied some white lithium grease inside the red tube where the tubes slide and also around the spring- it made a huge difference. Lithium grease won't harm plastic like other types of grease can, that's why you use that type.

[@TheKwod]

ok thx for that input.

[@kristianristell2484]

GTEYE has an all new website gteye.com.au and the Installation Instructions are now available for direct download.

[@RypienGT]

Why did you put the spring in the wrong way?

[@pgpg1]

Is the spring stiffer than the stock spring? I'm going for something less stiffer.

[@PrinceRupertBC]

hey where do I get the spring in the shifter in g27

[@nerdMike]

Is it fine in conjunction with Bodnar cable? :)

[@NinoNhexieKierulf]

what do you call to the ones attached to the clutch and brake to shift the metal plate higher?

[@IrfanKhan-wk5ob]

Hi my brake pedal flickers on and off ever so slightly would u recomend upgraded spring to fix this problem thanks

[@Dieselholic666]

I´ve got that little klick without any mods and it really annoys me. Could you do a video on how to fix that (if you know how)? Greets From Germany so sry for my bad english i´m still in school :-).

[@brettc6730]

I know this comment was made ten months ago, so I'm not sure if anything has changed better or worse, but If I were you I would see if I could get a replacement under warranty.

[@arcelivez]

I'm using stock Logitech G27, would this upgrade improve the experience with Gran Turismo 6? Because it looks like it shouldn't, because the problem with Gran Turismo 6, is that whenever you upgrade your cars brakes to racing brakes, it starts to lock up after about just 10-15% of the pedals way, this mod visually seems to only add extra pressure after about 40-50% of the pedals way, which means it wouldn't do me any good. Does anybody know an upgrade to make it possible to add some deadzone to the pedal or something, so that the brakes would only lock up after using 35-50% of the brakes instead of 10-15%??? I mean today I really got annoyed by it, I can only race with non-racing brakes, because the racing brakes just feel buggy with GT6 + stock G27 set...

[@brandonchristian7914]

+arcelivez never played gt6 but can you not turn the brake pressure down in the tuning settings for each car in game?

[@acrock21]

what is better this or nixim?

[@oalithgow]

And don't get me wrong....i love you guys!!

[@dadge35]

I thought it was 3 years. The first year covered by the retailer.

[@pittaracing255]

Shawn you installed the spring in bad direction

[@alexandermadarang9569]

is it good for g29 pedals ?

[@oalithgow]

Why don't you guys review for example, the new DLC's for Forza an GT5

[@damianbrunner4506]

is there a website I can go to so I can buy a Momo wheel from them along with directions to apply it to my G27?

[@SpikeyMarcoD]

warranty is 2 years minimum by law in the EU

[@DKGaming4Life]

what do i do ?? my allen wrench is eather to small or too big other ways ??

[@TheKwod]

LOL, gotta agree, some of these sim products seem like they're 50-75% too high, that said, I'd go for Nixim over this, Nixim seems better and only costs a few dollars more.

[@zeljkoitmediashop6019]

30 bucks for just a spring. f..y

[@TheKwod]

why watch sim racing vids then?

[@bbbbBEOTCH]

how tall is that spring?

[@OGagent008]

Way to quote the tenga commercial.

[@mrp510]

up side down dude..lol

[@alexandermadarang9569]

thats what i thought

[@oalithgow]

And that you can find in home depot for .5c

[@iAmVickThaGamer]

nice

[@gregmayled]

did you leave in that rubber piece?

[@2pacaveli1988]

No, put it out.

[@500features]

different strokes for different folks :D

[@sejhedskongen]

Not i DK, it's only 1 year here..

[@tradnwal]

Advertisement? So then, the one they did for the Nixim 2 mod was an advertisement. You don't mention that because you like the Nixim 2 mod? Ok... I get it now. And the video they did for the last DIY rig was an advertisement for the plans. And when they revue sim cars, they are just advertisements.

[@ThePhoenixWylde]

Seems more of advertisement for GTEYE than anything else this vid. Nixim 2 mod is far better. It CAN be driven in socks, it CAN be driven without hard mounting it, it's much better when it comes to muscle memory knowing how hard to push it to get max braking, the Nixim mod is also higher quality. Everything this does well, the Nixim does much better. Save your money and get the Nixim2 mod over this. The Nixim2 brake mod on it's own, (you don't have to get the clutch spring) is also cheaper.

[@murfy7136]

30 dollars one spring?? Jajaja.

[@xrider55]

Get a electronic cleaner spray at electronics shop and spray it inside the pot, don't disassemble the pot, no need for that...

[@silviutudorescu8114]

you installed the spring the wrong way lol

[@VinodhMoodley]

Makes no difference. The aim of the mod is to create extra stiffness when the pedal gets close to the end of its travel. If the spring is in the "wrong" direction, the first part of the pedal travel will still be soft since the spring will compress from the other direct first.

[@forevercomputing]

than* not then

[@Paul-sh7bx]

Another 20 min history on brake peddles.(go to the point,feel,race conditions and installation!) way to much talking.

[@bwxmoto]

No it isn't at all. If you think it is, just wear thick, new, cotton socks.

[@bwxmoto]

Yeah, it's WAY too expensive and Nixim 2 is way better.

[@mazda3mike]

That intro is entirely way too long.

[@nv602unclebuck]

I would rather just drive a car.