【剪輯版】國外聲樂老師超真實銳評《歌手2024》第九期 Vocal Coach Reacts to

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@ClubZeroMedia
@ClubZeroMedia 23 күн бұрын
Full episode is here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ioK8m2ykoqZ_qtEsi=L8Um2WHZyxMhtRfN
@innocao
@innocao 23 күн бұрын
可以点评另档节目吗?“天赐的声音” kzbin.info/www/bejne/fX2keXx_hsmopZIsi=q6yDP4dvYpJW4Zcv
@carolb3774
@carolb3774 21 күн бұрын
Hello from the US! I've just subscribed to your channel and I have one request, please react to Katrina singing Whitney Houston Medley, Somewhere Over the Rainbow, and Katrina's one take covers. I know you love Gigi but you will love Katrina too. I'm part Filipino, Taiwanese, Hispanic, and White and I love supporting my ethnic families. ❤
@user-mw4uj4kx4r
@user-mw4uj4kx4r 21 күн бұрын
請問可以點評BTS的歌嗎?我真的很喜歡他們的歌(歌詞寫得很有意義
@user-mw4uj4kx4r
@user-mw4uj4kx4r 21 күн бұрын
#2021BTSFESTA
@user-mw4uj4kx4r
@user-mw4uj4kx4r 21 күн бұрын
尤其是演唱會❤❤kzbin.info/www/bejne/jpu4p5mHpsalorcsi=9NxTlMvL8fuAHAer
@shantelwu
@shantelwu 23 күн бұрын
Jay, chill on the lyrics issue. 互相尊重意見,氣氛好尷尬,感覺老師因為這樣不敢好好評論了。
@Leeogh
@Leeogh 22 күн бұрын
@@shantelwu 真的
@jademcnair3464
@jademcnair3464 22 күн бұрын
第一期的時候老師評論那英, Jay 非常的激動,甚至很aggressive, 之後老師就不怎麼樣評論那英了。
@reikei9783
@reikei9783 21 күн бұрын
从这个就能看出来说真话的人是如何慢慢走上沉默之路的,看看国内是多么的沉默。这里大部分都是海外住人所以很多事情感受都没有,活得太幸福了。这跟结婚一样门不当户不对的很难长久,互相不能理解。
@iamcnc
@iamcnc 19 күн бұрын
查了一下歌詞與電影 快笑死了 三大隊誤打死了嫌犯之一 的大勇,被判刑求逼供,入獄的入獄,離職的離職,一人打人,全隊丟工作?。出獄後的前警員說服其他換工作的同事一起繼續追查在逃的嫌犯二勇...最後打人的多年後找到二勇扭打,終於驚動警察將二勇逮補。這個電影都沒人覺得監察廳沒有給三大隊一個正義嗎? 我要走穿这条命去看雪兰花 我要踏破这双鞋光脚平风沙 我要白日见云霞夜里举火把 我要这朗朗乾坤下事事有王法 原著還沒電影扯,只有一個人追案
@gavinweng594
@gavinweng594 18 күн бұрын
今天看了也是这个感受
@andili119
@andili119 23 күн бұрын
這個禮拜的剪接令我很難投入,比較喜歡完整版。
@DunLee-lc7zp
@DunLee-lc7zp 22 күн бұрын
完整版要付费
@reikei9783
@reikei9783 21 күн бұрын
youtube收了广告费还要整个会员收会员费,真能想法设法的挣钱。这个世界充满了钱味儿
@jacqyko
@jacqyko 18 күн бұрын
真的….希望未來可以釋出
@wasabilai9405
@wasabilai9405 4 күн бұрын
@@reikei9783 廣告費能有多少... 你看免費視頻的說什麼,你不可能免費上班吧
@breath-so4gl
@breath-so4gl 23 күн бұрын
我個人覺得「音樂無國界」的重點是曲而不是詞,所以看了橘老師這麼久一直不介意她不懂歌詞意境,畢竟語言和文化差異實在是很大的鴻溝,不能強求。她對亞洲音樂的欣賞和接受度已經很努力很難得的了
@seanliew34able
@seanliew34able 23 күн бұрын
確實不是歌詞 而是歌的意境在西方世界不成立
@seanliew34able
@seanliew34able 23 күн бұрын
其實是意境在英語的語境裡不成立
@zxd8105
@zxd8105 23 күн бұрын
就算词翻译得很准,处在不同社会不同处境不同价值观的人也不一定能有共鸣。
@kenkenken001
@kenkenken001 23 күн бұрын
@@seanliew34able 才怪!國外一樣有悲慘世界這種作品。這首歌沒什麼難懂的意境,而是若把感動的原因解釋清楚,就別想在中國平台曝光了
@maelee910364
@maelee910364 22 күн бұрын
但老實說身為台灣人的我也不喜歡這首歌XDDD沒什麼共鳴
@faifaiisaac
@faifaiisaac 23 күн бұрын
老師不會中文, 這不是第一天就知道的事嗎? 第一首被你們說她不會明白後, 她都不敢說話了, 這是你們想要的嗎?
@esting7701
@esting7701 23 күн бұрын
為你而來🥰36:00黄宣😍
@dRochefort
@dRochefort 23 күн бұрын
謝謝任意門❤
@wenchiumei1539
@wenchiumei1539 23 күн бұрын
+1謝謝❤
@love_weijin323
@love_weijin323 23 күн бұрын
感謝傳送門❤
@WhisperingWealthASMR
@WhisperingWealthASMR 23 күн бұрын
this week I personally feel like he did a good job ! hooray Yellow !
@lamda1562
@lamda1562 23 күн бұрын
好人一生平安❤
@ellie_ellie_ellie
@ellie_ellie_ellie 22 күн бұрын
「With all due respect, I’m not asking」 老師說得實在太好了,Jay 真的不需要陷入自己的情緒裡面。就算可以理解歌詞,每個人都還是會對歌曲有自己的解讀。就算你把歌詞完整翻譯出來,也把文化背景詳細解說一次,也不能保證橘老師會有一樣的感受。畢竟看這系列的影片我就是想看老師獨特的看法跟你們之間討論的火花碰撞😆 另外 grenade 那首歌不覺得橘老師保守,她只是更能對歌詞共情,因為歌詞感覺細思極恐啊! 是要怎樣深沉的愛,才會說出這樣的話🤣
@78kcaj
@78kcaj 23 күн бұрын
杰凱兒子的彈奏片段讓我大起雞皮疙瘩,這根本不是一般小孩子能辦到的程度啊啊啊...太狂了
@FireAntPG
@FireAntPG 23 күн бұрын
@@78kcaj在第几分钟?
@darklive1213
@darklive1213 23 күн бұрын
@@FireAntPG 29:41?
@ZHmiles
@ZHmiles 23 күн бұрын
@@FireAntPG 29:40
@bohsingbohsing1
@bohsingbohsing1 23 күн бұрын
請杰凱不要再糾結歌詞的問題了. 不翻譯歌詞就無法理解這首歌-->翻譯了, 但翻不到位不能傳達完整的故事情感, 反而更糟--> 翻譯的還行, 可是又沒有相關文化背景去消化吸收. 以上, 會變得沒完沒了, 而且橘老師會變得不專業也不開心. 以一位國外教練+歌手的角度, 表達聆聽的真實感受, 這樣就挺好的, 老粉們也都能理解. 頻道越來越紅, 橘老師也了解了自己的影響力, 已經越來越習慣疊護甲 -->每個人都只能代表自己, 喜不喜歡都互相尊重. 雖說更多新觀眾的心情需要被照顧, 不過也有點心疼橘老師辛苦了.
@zxd8105
@zxd8105 23 күн бұрын
是的,这两期看节目已经觉得橘老师有点过于谨慎了
@user-xili
@user-xili 22 күн бұрын
戏与歌的区别,😀华语歌坛始于电影,换句话从前有戏有曲无歌,从前的歌是诗“歌”,诗可以颂可以击节而咏击节而歌,叫绕梁三日不绝😊
@user-xili
@user-xili 22 күн бұрын
看到16:38那一段,多说一句,😮我赞同你的看法,歌曲实际曲大于歌,传达的就是情绪变化,😀拿张韶涵的阿刁为例,歌词一点都不重要,😀
@iamcnc
@iamcnc 19 күн бұрын
就算認真翻譯了 老師也一定不知道這有什麼好大驚小怪啦 我連劇情都查了 其實有點兒搞笑
@sushiiiya7658
@sushiiiya7658 19 күн бұрын
按照专业角度,就应该抛开她是否喜欢这首曲子,而只谈唱功。如果你评论曲子,那你不去了解文化背景,那么你不配评论
@user-gq5jf2wy3f
@user-gq5jf2wy3f 23 күн бұрын
杰凱希望你在節目也玩得開心,總感覺你(汗流浹背)😂😂😂。老師也很棒,耿直真誠總是能吸引更多的人。
@RyanChu
@RyanChu 23 күн бұрын
8:25 (the note) I mean let's be fr ,he said she refuses to study the lyrics but he told her several times that if she doesn't understand the language she won't understand the lyrics + it's a vocal coach reaction not a song writer reaction (even if she is both) her job here is to explain the sound a singer makes , why it's that way and how it can be better.
@its_yassser
@its_yassser 23 күн бұрын
@@RyanChu idk either , this episode made me bored tbh not gonna lie
@kurnaPunk
@kurnaPunk 23 күн бұрын
her vocal choices are highly related to the meaning of the lyrics.
@Peachu_n_Goma_Home
@Peachu_n_Goma_Home 23 күн бұрын
​@@kurnaPunkshe said she turned off Grenade on the radio cuz the lyrics but praised Bruno Mars, so yeah she cares about the lyrics a ton.
@brunoccj
@brunoccj 22 күн бұрын
There's Google translate if she wants to.
@lubis1991
@lubis1991 22 күн бұрын
@@brunoccj I think they have a point re: nuances being lost through translation. And the beauty of Chinese songs often lies in the genius of the lyrics.
@user-wg9lb1qr8d
@user-wg9lb1qr8d 21 күн бұрын
從第一期追到現在,覺得這期針對歌詞的討論雖然的確展現出中文歌詞在詞藻上要翻譯會有許多困難,但我認為也不能因為這樣去抨擊西洋歌曲的歌詞都是如此如此...本來老師就不懂中文以及頻道主打真實評論,那麼何必現在因為一首歌而表示出對方不懂歌詞沒有資格評論的姿態呢? 既然老師不懂歌詞建議.JKAI能夠先做好一些歌詞解釋的準備(只是單純查歌詞不影響Reaction),很喜歡看本頻道(B站的影片也都有看),但感覺這部影片中爭辯的部分很像擺出一個 aggressive 的態度認為我們比西洋文化優越然後在影片中的字幕偷偷酸老師(建議可以看一些youtube頻道怎麼上吐槽字幕,而不是透過表示無奈跟對方無法溝通的樣子去做效果)~ 還是表白老師和大家,也理解製作這麼多影片很辛苦,加油~ (Jkai的兒子很厲害!)
@jackson3305
@jackson3305 23 күн бұрын
特地留言給杰凱打氣一下😂 我完全能懂杰凱的無奈,中文有太多字詞乘載了很深的文化底蘊 特別是考量到過去中國數千年歷史中,有太多人性的黑暗與悲歌 純粹翻譯語言是沒辦法連同這種感悟一起遞送過去 But It's OK~ 這本來就是中文歌要推向世界時要面對的課題 我相信其他國家一定也有類似深刻情感連結的歌曲 但沒有足夠音樂性或引人入勝的表演性,也很難支撐其他文化的人深入去了解 所以終究會在期望面向的市場廣度中,做出自己的權衡
@dragon.slayer..
@dragon.slayer.. 23 күн бұрын
歌词很好,演唱也诠释得很棒,但也了解老师的想法。 因为虽然我对歌词很有共鸣,但这首歌的旋律不会让我想多听几次
@jhgc5092
@jhgc5092 23 күн бұрын
感觉就像 非让现在的小孩体会我们爷爷奶奶那个年代的苦一样😂
@WhisperingWealthASMR
@WhisperingWealthASMR 23 күн бұрын
真的, 幸苦他了。 给他点赞👍。
@phoebe79216
@phoebe79216 23 күн бұрын
個人主義vs集體主義的文化差異?
@gshiner
@gshiner 23 күн бұрын
說的太好了! 完全同意
@rachellaiyl
@rachellaiyl 22 күн бұрын
其實現在的美劇的確沒人再唱主題曲了。但有些音樂,即使沒歌詞都很讓人勾起作為觀眾對劇集的那個情感。我看太多美劇了,所以這點我很懂。friends那首並不是說旋律有多好聽唱得多好或歌詞作得多好,只是那首那劇是個經典中的經典,所以那個主題曲那麼的深入民心,是一個集體回憶。 但近代一點而沒有歌詞又能令人沉醉的電視主題曲有兩個,1是game of thrones,2是downton abbey(3其實westworld也很好)。我不知道有多少downton abbey的粉絲,但那個音樂一響起是很催淚的。電影的話,netflix有一套有點爛的喜劇電影,eurovision,劇情不重要因為太牽強。但那套戲最後部分有一首代表冰島的歌,那首旋律美到不行,但歌詞很動人到我聽著歌時好像看到冰島的壯麗。所以我能理解杰凱的無奈的點,有時文字的美尤其中文字,蘊含著是文化是歷史是祖先的重量。所以只輕輕按字面翻譯是不夠的。我覺得老師同時也沒錯,就如我說的got和downton abbey沒人唱的主題曲那麼的動人。就真只靠旋律。沒歌詞根本不影響那些歌是多麼的出色。 最後我覺得文字可以很優美,可以很動人,但同時文字也是一種武器,無形的傷害到別人。在兩人爭論時,我一向蠻喜歡的杰凱將當時的無奈的心情化作了文字一次又一次指出老師不懂這不懂那,氣氛已經很尷尬了,超低氣壓的。在後期的字幕中亦偷偷再酸老師,我們觀眾會中文的,中文的博大精深,很多觀眾看出來後期加上的字幕真的不那麼友善,話中有話。你自己頻道你愛怎麼整,觀眾管不了你亦不是想管你,你們有你們的風格忠於自己很好。但也請照顧一下文化不同的人。這爭論有點像黑人跟你解釋rap hiphop是跟ghetto,種族歧視,犯罪,教育,文化,家庭,社會地位,不公義所有的黑人生活上必須面對的問題寫成rap的,然後那黑人一直重複又重複的跟你說你不懂,你不是黑人,你不是住黑人社區,你不是在黑人家庭長大,所以你評價我們的rap都不對,都錯。這就是老師「被罵」時那個可憐巴巴的感覺。作為觀眾看了替老師心酸,一個外國人看那麼多的中國音樂,評價已經不易了,無謂強塞我們文化給別人去改變她自己當刻最真實的想法,討論歸討論。真的別一直忽視朋友的不適感還要後製酸人。文字很美,別用來當武器了😂 (抱歉說了個人真實的一些觀後感,不是來引戰或吵什麼的,就是因為覺得兩個都有道理所以才留言。個人以前唱過opera,choir,不怎麼唱流行歌。但一直在作流行曲和詞。所以有點第一身感受,才來評論。不喜勿插😂)
@Nina-gf2rd
@Nina-gf2rd 20 күн бұрын
赞。感觉是把自己理解了的文化当成了「自我」来捍卫,急于捍卫的心情占据了同理心和尊重的位置
@rachellaiyl
@rachellaiyl 20 күн бұрын
@@Nina-gf2rd 還是內地人中文好, 三言兩語把我那長長文字總結了~哈哈 我香港, 有時看內地的節目, 聽內地一些歌詞, 雖然都是中文, 但我卻未能完全理解, 因為香港人的中文不像內地那麼好(可能只有我不好)。所以我特別能理解老師的觀點, 因為我自己看到國風歌的歌詞也可能只能理解7成。但畢竟也是個會中文的人,所以我也能理解杰凱的觀點,的確有些字,詞,成語都特別難翻譯。
@user-tp2nd9ul4t
@user-tp2nd9ul4t 23 күн бұрын
一開始老師被杰凱嚇得不敢再發表其他 老師好可憐😢
@iamcnc
@iamcnc 19 күн бұрын
其實冰與火/權力遊戲不是沒有歌詞 在分集的片尾曲 有時候是有的 譬如 The Rains Of Castamere 。 Jay把歌詞看太重要了,但其實這影響了判斷,以前一直說中文歌其實很難不看字幕聽懂全部,這次卻偏偏認真地看歌詞,那聽不懂的時候算怠工嗎?
@maniaweng
@maniaweng 23 күн бұрын
喜歡 Flo 的參與,為節目添加了色彩、刺激和效果 。
@nassimgr616
@nassimgr616 24 күн бұрын
Who is just waiting for faouzis
@hayyanalmemsani805
@hayyanalmemsani805 24 күн бұрын
Me😊 the video is actually up on bilibili and i've watched it. Unfortunately she said she'd never liked the song faouzia chose, the song itself, not faouzia's singing. Overall she wasn't as impressed as i expected her to be by it.
@user-sp8qv5zr2y
@user-sp8qv5zr2y 23 күн бұрын
​@@hayyanalmemsani805kinda not surprised. Faouzia's music style isn't her taste.
@Leilaalmenia
@Leilaalmenia 23 күн бұрын
Me❤❤❤
@nassimgr616
@nassimgr616 23 күн бұрын
​@@hayyanalmemsani805so sad 😢
@hayyanalmemsani805
@hayyanalmemsani805 23 күн бұрын
@@user-sp8qv5zr2y i guess you're right. I'm not sure it's her style she didn't like but the song itself, she said she finds the lyrics suicidy
@kelvincai9826
@kelvincai9826 22 күн бұрын
那么不开心其实你们就不要合作了。你一直吵架吵,老师对你已经算礼貌了。看你们吵架很累。
@gc7098
@gc7098 23 күн бұрын
歌詞這問題我想過 我覺得英文歌,簡單的歌詞,看似直白,但卻有很多情感在其中 我覺得中文歌,從方文山開始後,有很多歌詞讓聽者可以在腦中建立畫面,來和旋律連結 但個人還是比較喜歡 "旋律",作曲人在作曲時的那種情感,可以再旋律感受到,而不是需要那麼多歌詞去撐起一首歌
@JOVKiss
@JOVKiss 23 күн бұрын
老師在評論後的演示真的太棒了! 是最棒的彩蛋!
@REN-if7yc
@REN-if7yc 23 күн бұрын
這期的討論充滿烏煙瘴氣的煩躁感,不像交流而像教訓,看得很胃痛。
@user-tx7tn4xx7n
@user-tx7tn4xx7n 23 күн бұрын
這集對於歌詞的討論,讓我想起大學時讀中國文學與外國文學時的日子。 外國文學的敘事性很強,從荷馬史詩、但丁神曲、伏爾泰憨第德到卡夫卡變形記,在讀這些著名的文學作品雖然是在講某個主角的經歷、故事,但是也透露出了該時代對於世界的觀察理解,以及當時社會的價值觀。 中國文學從詩經的賦比興來論,可以知道文學作品是在運用文字表達情境、象徵和意境。唐詩五言絕句雖短,但耐人反覆咀嚼細品。 當然外國文學也有詩,中國文學也有敘事體。文學作為語言與文化的載體,可以有很多種樣態,所謂「清晰」跟「朦朧」沒有優劣,只是不同的手法,有不同的美。
@zxd8105
@zxd8105 23 күн бұрын
语言会影响文化,文化会影响做事方式。例如西医要求用词准确,不要有歧义。中医则讲究朦胧美,怎么都说得通😂
@wanusreg9412
@wanusreg9412 23 күн бұрын
Faouziaaa ♥
@Ysbfjksxl
@Ysbfjksxl 23 күн бұрын
We need a full reaction from Faouzia...
@malikasad2497
@malikasad2497 23 күн бұрын
she talked about the song more than faouzia lmao
@ahmadfaridimran6494
@ahmadfaridimran6494 23 күн бұрын
@@Ysbfjksxl yeah same, I'm quite disappointing this time with the video because I always waiting for her reaction to faouzia, but this time it's more cut? And she always has ^something^ (you know what I mean) to comment about faouzia. Idk this time I'm disappointed
@yurawei
@yurawei 23 күн бұрын
能夠懂阿杰想說的,中文是非常精鍊的語言,他能夠有像是水中點墨暈染開的效果,中文歌會有那種廣大的意境,從更宏觀更超脫淡然的態度去欣賞那種淡淡的憂傷,英文歌比較以人的視角,品味生活,很少有那種史詩亙古的感覺,這也跟東西方哲學的差異有關 但是我覺得語言就是語言,人類的感覺和語言進密結合,英文人對英文的感覺不會像中文人對中文的感覺,但他們和自己的語言一定也有很深的感受
@user-oy9ik9pk3k
@user-oy9ik9pk3k 23 күн бұрын
是的 中文僅需幾個字 就可以精確表達或引起人無限的想像 像"髮如雪" 有點中文底子的人就能浮想連翩了 其中深沉的感情 時間的跨度 心底的悲傷 都讓人有想像的空間 至於老師說的那首甚麼可以為妳跳火車 手榴彈之類的詞 就只能像渣男在勾引年輕女孩時說出的話 毫無美感可言
@yurawei
@yurawei 20 күн бұрын
@@user-oy9ik9pk3k其實我覺得grenade 那首歌挺中二的😂我不知道你有沒有看過腦筋急轉彎的,但就像萊莉的腦補男友說I will die for Riley 的那種感覺😂
@younwui4977
@younwui4977 19 күн бұрын
拉倒吧,之前不是不听歌词的吗
@choubenjamin835
@choubenjamin835 23 күн бұрын
主題曲那邊的爭執我覺得,中文歌有時候重詞大於曲,感覺凱傑是覺得中語文化對主題曲勾起觀眾共鳴的部分,歌詞佔比較深較多,但我比較站老師這邊,是因為主題曲,如果能用曲就能喚起人對某部劇的共鳴,其實反而是更高一籌的,因為那個曲的共鳴是沒有詞給的框架的,有時候詞說什麼就是什麼意思,但每個人聽到一段曲的感動,卻可以是很個別的想像,而且每個人產生的畫面都不一樣,我反而比較喜歡這種共鳴產生的情感
@AIProphecy
@AIProphecy 23 күн бұрын
當然以主題曲的角度來說曲佔的比重絕對重中之重畢竟都叫做主題"曲"了
@Kali-v2x
@Kali-v2x 23 күн бұрын
Next week where are you,,,, i hope faouzia sings in french next cause that would be incredible 😭😭😭
@-mrt9598
@-mrt9598 23 күн бұрын
歌手盡情玩音樂和享受舞台,在歌手舞台留下讓人印象深刻的音樂作品比排名更重要和有意義!Faouzia, Chante, 黃宣 是讓我期待的歌手 ❤
@thomson90tan
@thomson90tan 23 күн бұрын
i love how they keep it like a podcast while discussing the singing at the same time they also craps a lot like a bunch of close friends gathering
@hongyutu
@hongyutu 23 күн бұрын
吵架那段真的太好笑了⋯⋯🤣 橘子老師居然變成和事佬~😅
@kkoo6035
@kkoo6035 23 күн бұрын
5:44 Rozette : I came for songs, not musicals or opera. 我其實有點認同老師,因為就算我沒看電影我還是很喜歡 並且以我的英文聽力只聽得出來內容大概是有人掛了好想再見到你一次。完全單純是音樂而非電影帶給我的喜歡。但又像Taylorswift走紅很大一部分是靠他歌詞很打動人心,完全不懂英文的人很可能無法共鳴。
@kenkenken001
@kenkenken001 23 күн бұрын
@@kkoo6035 不同意。Taylor Swift的歌很多都是曲先吸引到我,才會去看歌詞的
@UrLinYa
@UrLinYa 23 күн бұрын
老師與護法們針對文化差異的討論總是我特別愛看的一塊www 其實對於東方影視甚至動畫主題曲中歌詞的重要性,可能用音樂劇的概念來描述我覺得對於西方人會比較好理解。 而放在開頭,能承先啟後講述了整個故事大概,這樣的曲子我能想到的音樂劇經典就是鐘樓怪人的「大教堂時代」,沒有之一。 而說到歌詞,延伸出來的許願則是想看老師聽yoasobi的英文版歌曲對照,想看老師對於兩種歌詞音律設計的精巧的感想,如果能再加上中文版跟台語版更好😊
@bigchief1210
@bigchief1210 23 күн бұрын
譚維維的那首歌詞我第一次邊聽曲邊看詞是蠻震撼的,就跟我當初聽到宰相劉羅鍋的主題曲一樣,腦中的記憶體同時高速運轉,心裡五味雜陳,沒辦法專注於曲的優美與否 杰凱應該也是經歷了這個過程,急於讓老師了解這種震撼,不小心演變成東西方文學之爭 其實東西方文學講的都是人性,自然沒有什麼高低之分,老師也沒有錯 只是要向她解釋歌曲裡那種一個人對抗整個社會潮流的壯烈感,在西方個人主義的背景下,她可能不好理解
@sushiiiya7658
@sushiiiya7658 19 күн бұрын
我跟一个朋友有过相同的讨论,所以特别能理解杰凯。就是一种,你永远不会懂我的无力感。没有分高低,只是对于无法交流,无法跨越这条鸿沟的无力感
@yoyuay
@yoyuay 23 күн бұрын
才開始沒幾秒就直斷老師不會喜歡 一直強調文化不同 不懂中文 就不喜歡這歌 即使老師說西方歌也有很能共情的 還是要一直反駁老師說的 我覺得不需要因為別人不喜歡 不懂 就要去講別人認為有價值的東西有問題 老實說一首歌如果一定要懂詞才能喜歡 那它註定就是推廣不出去啊 西方音樂就是厲害在聽似簡單 容易傳唱 容易共鳴
@sushiiiya7658
@sushiiiya7658 19 күн бұрын
西方音乐够肤浅,传唱度当然高,而且也不是要推广什么音乐。其实,这期老师不适合,或者说不配评论这首歌。如果你评论唱功,那就单评唱功,跟喜不喜欢曲子没有关系。但如果你要评论曲子,那不好意思,在不懂歌词的情况下,她不配
@epun_5419
@epun_5419 18 күн бұрын
@@sushiiiya7658西方的音樂哪裏膚淺了??? 不要把牆內那可悲的知識帶出來好嗎
@Rosannasfriend
@Rosannasfriend 23 күн бұрын
I wasn’t going to comment, but I find it funny that they said they didn’t like one note that Faouzia did in the song (Grenade) and that it didn’t fit… Then they ended the video showing Rosette doing things to the phrases of the same song that don’t fit…at all. The way that she’s extending those phrases don’t sound good.
@lughatybookstore
@lughatybookstore 23 күн бұрын
She's a Fawzia hater
@singaporechickenrice2484
@singaporechickenrice2484 23 күн бұрын
yall need to chill about fauzia yall starting to act like kpop stans who wont shut up about their favs
@lughatybookstore
@lughatybookstore 23 күн бұрын
@@singaporechickenrice2484 If you can’t reply as a normal human, you can give your self middle finger 👍
@singaporechickenrice2484
@singaporechickenrice2484 23 күн бұрын
@@lughatybookstore u just proved my point correct thank you 👍
@lughatybookstore
@lughatybookstore 23 күн бұрын
@@singaporechickenrice2484 Really great, so you can now SHUT UP as it’s your point and start by yourself 😄 and another time if you want to discuss as a human, I will allow you to know my point as a human, BYE
@Leeogh
@Leeogh 23 күн бұрын
感覺字幕一直 故意在酸老師誒
@REN-if7yc
@REN-if7yc 23 күн бұрын
我也覺得,關鍵的論點在當面說服不過就用字幕伺機暗損回去的感覺🤔
@yingshang1018
@yingshang1018 23 күн бұрын
沒錯!後製加上字幕超級不尊重橘子老師
@caicheche
@caicheche 22 күн бұрын
沒錯,大陸人(指jkai)學不會尊重
@MlkXiu
@MlkXiu 22 күн бұрын
对,太多字幕啦 J老师,别影响我的想. 我不要你觉得,我要我觉得!
@lx2681
@lx2681 23 күн бұрын
unpopular opinion: 評論裡很多人都說中文的博大精深,以及英文觀眾無法體會的神韻。這個其實是雙向的。國語沒有比英文的信息量大,只是之間的區別和文化代溝,很難翻譯而已。一個字就可以包含很多意思的情況,英文也有很多。不是只有中文~頂級的詞本來就是有很多double entendre。如果你覺得英文是直白的,那只能說你不懂這個語言。英文的時態語法讓它一句話,可以包含很多信息和邏輯和語氣。如果你覺得國語不好體會不到中文歌詞的意境,那麼不好意思,你英文不夠好,你也體會不到英文歌詞的意境。
@brucechen9786
@brucechen9786 23 күн бұрын
非常同意
@sushiiiya7658
@sushiiiya7658 23 күн бұрын
​@@brucechen9786I disagree. It takes much more effort to describe something in English than other languages, not just Chinese
@ricerice5219
@ricerice5219 23 күн бұрын
同意!!只是語言的邏輯不一樣+文化差異而已,不用一定要展現優越感...
@zxd8105
@zxd8105 23 күн бұрын
是这样的,很多人都以为自己的文化牛逼。例如我喜欢中餐,而且以前一直以为中餐在世界上也应该很牛,鬼佬不喜欢只是因为他们没试过真正的中餐。但是仔细想想,正因为他们没那么喜欢真正的中餐才会出现改了适合他们口味的中餐。
@dwmobusa
@dwmobusa 23 күн бұрын
严重同意,只会说中文的人没资格说英文歌词的意思比中文浅
@lairanky5760
@lairanky5760 23 күн бұрын
其實簡簡單單四個大字 “求同存異”,我們中文的成語只要想一下都可以很深...."同”這個字是精要,你今天去解可以是同步,同意,共同,找出大家都認同的點即可,不需要百分百思想同步,同時尊重彼此的文化,認識。
@princessmongolian9985
@princessmongolian9985 24 күн бұрын
I like this boy who is playing the piano ! 👍🥰
@user-fp9mw4sn6x
@user-fp9mw4sn6x 23 күн бұрын
Yellow Haung is the best art creator。
@emmasagi
@emmasagi 23 күн бұрын
YELLOW
@andrewli582
@andrewli582 23 күн бұрын
@@emmasagi No, I thought she is talking about Jack' s son.
@ar_jim_nouss_123
@ar_jim_nouss_123 23 күн бұрын
yes Yellow , he really play it so good
@Kali-v2x
@Kali-v2x 23 күн бұрын
Oh bruh faouzia made me cry
@Leilaalmenia
@Leilaalmenia 23 күн бұрын
Faouzia ❤❤🎉🎉
@user-bw5om8gl3o
@user-bw5om8gl3o 23 күн бұрын
JKai終於了解過往我們對於橘子老師無法同步理解歌詞意思造成的斷層,畢竟很多歌的組成就是詞曲,,,,當然,建議而後可以產出翻譯後的評論,這樣炒冷飯也是一次再製。還能看到文化衝擊的反應。 橘子只想聽yellow,這點跟我在其他平台看到的大多數人一樣。期待
@lesterchester8097
@lesterchester8097 23 күн бұрын
The lady singer the hosts spent so much time discussing: The song sounded like funeral mourning from some ancient culture...
@joeyyang7980
@joeyyang7980 23 күн бұрын
Just to denounce and fight against social injustice
@AyaRaddi
@AyaRaddi 23 күн бұрын
The over analyzing of the grenade song was a bit of a stretch , kept talking the entire time about the lyrics and nothing about the actual performance
@juanrincxn
@juanrincxn 23 күн бұрын
@@AyaRaddi i'm so agree with you! 😢
@Peachu_n_Goma_Home
@Peachu_n_Goma_Home 23 күн бұрын
Jumping in front of a train means protect her without second thought, idk why they think it's literal go die for you. To me, i feel the same way for my husband, would protect him from danger with my life. Dont get the pessimism .
@AyaRaddi
@AyaRaddi 23 күн бұрын
@@Peachu_n_Goma_Home exactlyyyy
@nathanielyii7115
@nathanielyii7115 23 күн бұрын
@@Peachu_n_Goma_Home well, personally, if a person is "self-centred", not knowing to give unconditional love, or never had experiences or thoughts of sacrificing themselves for loved one, she or he may not interpret the lyrics the way you do.
@dwmobusa
@dwmobusa 21 күн бұрын
@@nathanielyii7115 unconditional love doesn't mean suicidal love, nor mean requiring the other side to do the same
@hyd6275
@hyd6275 23 күн бұрын
Tbh, the best part of this video is at the last one minute... Great cover of Grenade and Halo!
@CK-gd3lb
@CK-gd3lb 23 күн бұрын
強烈建議給老師聽王菲這些年來唱的電影電視主題曲!詞曲俱勾人又有深度的典範!
@benbenxu711
@benbenxu711 23 күн бұрын
哎我要是能回到少年肯定拜橘子老师为师,说不定我也能走上音乐的道路,这个老师真的是又好又专业!
@SkypiperVEVO
@SkypiperVEVO 23 күн бұрын
小鎮姑娘的旋律寫得太好了,會讓人特別注意那些美好的旋律,所以當音準飄的時候才會特別讓人感到不適。有些歌特別需要節奏感、有些歌特別需要音色、有些歌特別需要音準、有些歌特別需要營造氛圍...etc,每首歌需要的重點不同,而小鎮姑娘在節奏和旋律上特別重要,所以相較其他各種技巧而言,音準和拍子更需要精準,不然會讓人出戲。
@yunyunchen256
@yunyunchen256 23 күн бұрын
但以黃宣的個性我覺得那是他故意的,想營造不一樣的氛圍,他音樂天份這麼高不可能在音準上出什麼問題!
@SkypiperVEVO
@SkypiperVEVO 23 күн бұрын
@@yunyunchen256 歌手都是人,沒必要把人神化,他唱到目前每一首歌的音準都不是很準。坦然面對自己的不足才能更進步。
@user-tp2nd9ul4t
@user-tp2nd9ul4t 22 күн бұрын
@@yunyunchen256 聽說製作組讓他做主持工作 一邊唱歌一邊主持 多少有點力不從心
@lgkonline8533
@lgkonline8533 23 күн бұрын
个人观点,自己的兴趣是无分对错,艺术是不同的所以文化来说也一样是一种行为艺术不是每个人都能接受的。我看到孙楠这个部分已经不想看的原因是没有完整的反应过程,让我们去跟老师同频理解所说的是极其困难的,怒我直言的话就是在为难观众去明白老师,我个人看了《歌手2024》的完整版再去听老师的反应和评价,因为我想知道在这个时代有什么音乐或者技巧是人类喜好或厌倦的,这是一种心理学的研究但不是这个影片的目的。为什么有些观众能喜欢那英,但却有一部分的人不喜欢那英?那英音乐的类型是新生代观众的慢节奏,现在的新生代活在科技的环境无法避免电话,电视机,电脑或者户外餐厅的快节奏音乐,新生代也因为朋友的互通兴趣也感知的认为快节奏音乐是最好的,所以许多新生代观众为什么不喜欢那英的音乐类型是因为他们的重点在于节奏,他们不喜欢那英的慢节奏音乐。这是一个例子和原因表达我本人为什么想看完整版的反应与点评,希望可以把完整的播放出来让大家有同频的共鸣与感受。若有异议欢迎评论,我出来评论就愿意被人评论,时代不同更多需要的是沟通,感恩CZ Media的影片让我学到了很多。
@JJ-zo6hh
@JJ-zo6hh 23 күн бұрын
老师的唱功太强了 👍👍👍
@11111111122333333
@11111111122333333 23 күн бұрын
剛看了前面七分鐘聽了杰凱跟橘子的討論,但我個人是偏站橘子這邊。 僅代表我個人立場發言,我理解古文的美,但似乎有時候大家會偏向貴古賤今,好像古文就總是會優於白話文(?),像橘子舉例的犯罪現場的主題曲那樣的歌詞是不是也未嘗不是一種美? 僅供大家不同角度思考
@hognin3598
@hognin3598 23 күн бұрын
同意你,既然是歌曲,旋律好聽就是最重要的,不然去看小說就好...
@andrychen2418
@andrychen2418 23 күн бұрын
@@hognin3598 既然是歌曲,就应该词+曲都重要,不然就去听演奏曲就好。
@kenkenken001
@kenkenken001 23 күн бұрын
@@andrychen2418 這是在評歌手,又不是評歌曲。只要歌詞不令人反感,就算歌詞只是無意義的哼唱,都可欣賞。所以對曲的要求更高本就合理
@lp402njkll
@lp402njkll 22 күн бұрын
老實說,中國這種主旋律歌曲,歌詞還不錯,但編曲及曲風都超級老派的,真的感動不了,我覺得華語圈,只有中國人和老人聽了會有感覺吧!放在其他國家當主題曲,一定被酸到不行。
@ginalo1849
@ginalo1849 22 күн бұрын
@@lp402njkll 而且他們很容易自嗨,又故步自封,自以為美...一被批評就上升到愛國主義,讓人討論不下去..唉.
@user-qs6kg1ku1q
@user-qs6kg1ku1q 23 күн бұрын
看到男生的反應的時候覺得挺好笑的 之前觀眾說要你們有先備知識再來拍影片 被你怒懟回來說你們就是這樣 這才能真實反映老師的reaction 但現在換成是你喜歡的一首歌 卻因為老師不通中文而不喜歡這樣的表達方式而感到沮喪 這跟之前的觀眾想法不是一樣嗎 挺有趣且雙標的
@ladygraceck
@ladygraceck 23 күн бұрын
這不叫雙標,雙標通常是指明知不公而非理性的傾斜。他終於體會到那些逼著他作事前功課的觀眾,是什麼感覺。至於會不會因此讓這個「反應頻道」做什麼調整,就看看吧! 2024歌手系列已經轉變成幾乎只是個單純的reaction (做個樂迷,欣賞享受或不喜搖頭,多過於當個冷靜客觀的評審)。不同於以往以專業評論為主。這也算是對這個節目的肯定吧!
@acceleratorsaver
@acceleratorsaver 23 күн бұрын
hhhh,認同
@lwilliam4990
@lwilliam4990 23 күн бұрын
也不是了,这首歌他肯定没提前听过。但是他肯定因为谭维维真诚的演唱,跟歌词产生了共情。我只能说,Jkai应该还是跟华人文化有很深的链接,所以他在文化上并没有隔断,所以才能跟歌词共情。
@user-qs6kg1ku1q
@user-qs6kg1ku1q 23 күн бұрын
@@lwilliam4990 那這些文化背景也就是他之前了解過類似的歌曲 知道這些文字的意境 與我所說的做功課的內容有什麼不一樣呢? 語言應該也算是先備知識的一種吧
@user-qs6kg1ku1q
@user-qs6kg1ku1q 23 күн бұрын
@@ladygraceck 之前那篇很有情緒的回覆都是中文想必是他打的吧 因為當時他也是被觀眾評論的一員所以他心生憤慨的回應 現在卻只能說好沮喪 自己無能為力 但語言不也是能夠了解的「背景」的一部分 我相信如果做一點功課是能夠理解譚維維這首歌的意境與咬字之間的關係的 這不就是跟當初我們喜歡的歌被批評時的感受嗎 他為什麼這個時候不能公正的面對老師給的評論不喜歡呢
@user-hp7cw6ct1g
@user-hp7cw6ct1g 23 күн бұрын
個人想法..(只先看了八分鐘就來留言了XD") 本來我來看便是想看老師說些歌手的唱歌方式手法甚至演意 有時會有的小示範教絕之類的... 本是一位沒觸碰過的外國老師 我也沒想過要老師去了解歌詞 或是這首歌是為什麼這樣呈現..當然 若老師的感覺偏掉了~知道實情的護法們告知 讓老師理解 就行了 沒想要到 因為我知道歌詞再說甚麼 所以別人也需要跟我一樣共情...若一首有強烈目的想表達的歌曲 既使沒有歌詞 旋律也能做到共情.只是有了歌詞在懂的人身上能更顯著如此而已. 例如這邊老師覺得這首歌嚴肅-護法告知這是甚麼方面 所以嚴肅 解釋一下 知道各首歌為什麼是嚴肅的就行了...我以為頻道的"真實" 就是在走這方面.. 不太需要一而再地強調 你不懂你不懂 你不會了解 這樣給人攻擊性很強...我真心覺得老師脾氣真好... 但有許多觀眾就會有許多想法...如同護法們與老師一定也都有自己的想法.. 我懂中文的其實譚維維那段 我也沒get到 因為都在看幾位各自表述..XD即使去看詞了 可能也沒JK護法的5分之一感動. 在做功課方面...在這頻道...我不會對於歌詞 或是意境要求去了解...若這首歌旋律 或是唱的人能表現出 原本歌曲表達的意境 而讓老師理解 那我就認為表演的非常成功...反之 既使不懂 或是改得跟原本歌詞反差很大 倒置老師無法理解原本的歌是表達甚麼也無所謂..好聽喜歡或是哪邊怎麼做更好之類的 不就是老師第一反應嗎? 但我會對於 護法能在老師點頻歌手方面狀況的地方做功課 如之前老師 一直認為鄧紫琪唱歌習慣的方式...哭?還是面罩?認為太多了... 在一些歌手是有特殊情況下給出原因 讓老師理解...我印象中是..有部分地方萎縮導致的..
@kwoo24
@kwoo24 23 күн бұрын
大家一直批評Chante: "亂改編,把碧昂絲的原曲改得不三不四, 前面還有一段抒情的鋼琴版,很怪, 而最後又不斷的喊 fade away fade away......" 其實不是。 她沒多大改動,她參造的是碧昂絲好幾場live的特別版。其實編排和段落幾乎一樣。所以別再說她亂改碧昂絲的歌了。 她的問題在於,想要還原碧昂絲的改版,但那難度太高(比原版還難)。她無法達到那個效果。 那還不如完全改變編曲,改成適合自己唱的風格。(更好的建議是:Halo不適合她) 當然,排名第八實在太不合理了。這場再差,也至少有第四或第五。
@user-mf4bc2vv4c
@user-mf4bc2vv4c 23 күн бұрын
老師都說半首是別的歌了 你還說不是😅
@Peachu_n_Goma_Home
@Peachu_n_Goma_Home 23 күн бұрын
CHANTE本来抽到任何选曲卡 谭要和她换她不要 这个有视频 楼上有人说我说八卦😂 后来不知道怎么的她们卡互换了。对halo不适合她
@RedHunterOfficial
@RedHunterOfficial 23 күн бұрын
@@Peachu_n_Goma_Home halo 适合她,只是乱改加上气息不够,随便加个海豚音根本达不到感情高潮的效果
@kwoo24
@kwoo24 22 күн бұрын
@@user-mf4bc2vv4c 因為很多人沒聽過碧昂絲那幾場改版吧。包括老師。畢竟碧昂絲有太多場live都有不同的版本。
@kwoo24
@kwoo24 22 күн бұрын
@@RedHunterOfficial 好奇你說的「亂改」是哪一部分? (氣息不好倒是真的,和海豚音確實不加分)
@damhood2033
@damhood2033 23 күн бұрын
I'm confused as to why you would perform Grenade at the end of the video if you hated the song.
@JokJoky-rs3qq
@JokJoky-rs3qq 23 күн бұрын
Wondering the same
@StudlyHunk
@StudlyHunk 23 күн бұрын
Hating something doesn't mean totally block or avoid it.
@Taha-Aamamou
@Taha-Aamamou 23 күн бұрын
A wise man once said, Trust a woman actions, not her word
@damhood2033
@damhood2033 23 күн бұрын
We are here mainly for Faouzia
@its_yassser
@its_yassser 23 күн бұрын
Facts😂
@mahmoudtabakhi6463
@mahmoudtabakhi6463 23 күн бұрын
And she cut most of the performance
@damhood2033
@damhood2033 23 күн бұрын
@@mahmoudtabakhi6463 annoying
@ar_jim_nouss_123
@ar_jim_nouss_123 23 күн бұрын
@@mahmoudtabakhi6463 YEAAH I WAS ABOUT TO SAY THAT ,i feel like she don't like faouzia , every episode she is like oooh idon't like that song or that note or idk but it's ok ,we know that faouzia one of the best singers there
@Leilaalmenia
@Leilaalmenia 23 күн бұрын
Facts 😂😅
@abeerchannel9746
@abeerchannel9746 23 күн бұрын
faouzia is the best😍😍😍😍😍
@K459875
@K459875 23 күн бұрын
雖然能理解中文歌詞要傳遞情感對於其他國家的人來說很難靠翻譯去理解, 但薇薇唱的那首歌,應該說這種類型的歌,對我來說太過情勒... 不知道有沒有人懂這種情勒感,就像一部特別灑狗血的戲劇 然後Tia因為這次演出被淘汰我也超意外!!!
@user-oy9ik9pk3k
@user-oy9ik9pk3k 23 күн бұрын
Tia應該是劇本安排 畢竟乘風破浪那邊是團體賽 少一個都不行 她本來就是我認為目前檯面上最具國際範的女歌手 唱功 英文能力也能跟 faouzia及 香緹莫一拚的 沒想到會這樣收場 看來劇本之說不是空穴來風 不然比她差的多了去了
@joeyyang7980
@joeyyang7980 23 күн бұрын
因为你不是生活在中国这块被诅咒的土地上的人,觉得情勒很正常,在中国之外的地方,谭维维的表达就太过于煽情了,甚至显得做作,但在中国,只有这样才能表达出感怒不敢言的悲情
@K459875
@K459875 23 күн бұрын
@@user-oy9ik9pk3k 她上場前還跟黃宣說「你安全了!」 有夠難過的🥲
@iamcnc
@iamcnc 18 күн бұрын
@@K459875 聽譚維維唱太多就覺得中國的苦難還沒到頭啊
@sadwhiteowl
@sadwhiteowl 23 күн бұрын
这一集的剪辑,太可惜了,老师很多表情及点评是不是都被剪了,因为受到平台的限制吗?真的有点可惜😅感觉片段片段的,有点支离破碎的感觉
@Taha-Aamamou
@Taha-Aamamou 23 күн бұрын
You sang Grenade and Halo really well. I even prefer your versions over Faouzia and Chante. But I can't stop laughing after all you said about Grenade, and then you proceed to sing it with such emotion. Haha
@holohulolo
@holohulolo 23 күн бұрын
but she was stretching some vowels, almost as if mocking it, I'm not sure if its intentional, or just how she sings.
@cherrylaw8296
@cherrylaw8296 23 күн бұрын
Wow, the kid is awsome! Impressive
@julieshen6688
@julieshen6688 22 күн бұрын
說真的連我都無法了解那唱得有多感動!!
@user-ms8el7og7m
@user-ms8el7og7m 23 күн бұрын
最期待的時刻 ❤黃宣 35:53小鎮姑娘,可惜只有一段🥲還是喜歡以前那樣完整版的
@user-mz2sd9uj8n
@user-mz2sd9uj8n 23 күн бұрын
就是想看他們聽到精彩部分的表情啊!這種碎片式的評論超沒feel的!
@user-sx9jv1hn7y
@user-sx9jv1hn7y 23 күн бұрын
真的好可惜,好想聽老師對於拼接 I Don't Need No Doctor這種音樂製作上的想法🥲
@user-te2kk9rj5y
@user-te2kk9rj5y 23 күн бұрын
B站有完整版阿……而且中午就上了
@jaymeswu2126
@jaymeswu2126 23 күн бұрын
@@user-mz2sd9uj8nbili 中國的有完整版,但沒有註冊帳號或是下載bili app很難播放。 這集剪到我直接放棄去研究怎麼從bili 網站搜尋影片了。
@roberthuang4075
@roberthuang4075 23 күн бұрын
應該是YT版權抓得嚴,所以他想用這樣的方式避被下架的風險 在杰凱的bilibili有完整版可以去看(但這集他們在演唱中的對話也相對少就是
@Rosannasfriend
@Rosannasfriend 23 күн бұрын
I feel bad for Chanté Moore. Her voice definitely died at the end.
@Rosannasfriend
@Rosannasfriend 23 күн бұрын
It’s pretty clear Rozette just likes chante Moore no matter what.
@user-sp8qv5zr2y
@user-sp8qv5zr2y 23 күн бұрын
​@@Rosannasfriend it's ok to have a favourite, it was pretty clear she's chante biased. Her style and taste resonate with and it's fine really! Still it surprised me the most when she said chante vocally is her best when it was so clear it was her weakest and not stable! I thought she will be fair and reasnable. Then surprised more when she sang the same song Faouzia did when all what she did was cutting her videos and hating the song!!
@ar_jim_nouss_123
@ar_jim_nouss_123 23 күн бұрын
@@Rosannasfriend lol i think that soo
@bcsky54
@bcsky54 23 күн бұрын
I resonate with Rozette's feelings towards Chante. I don't feel that Chante (and all these other singers on stage) are being evaluated and ranked on the same vocal standards by the audience. I guess that's just how the rules are designed in the show. I'm sure Rozette has her personal preferences and biases, but when it comes to singing skills, she did mention previously that Faouzia and Chante are the two strongest vocalists in this show, which I think many people would agree with.
@brunoccj
@brunoccj 22 күн бұрын
With so many Halo covers on YT, vocal performance is lackluster for Moore. A-lin kzbin.info/www/bejne/n4Wnm6l8d8yIgJI kzbin.info/www/bejne/gme7YYOnfryZsLM kzbin.info/www/bejne/bJekfGODfdhnrqc kzbin.info/www/bejne/raiQfaN_mN-claM
@Kali-v2x
@Kali-v2x 24 күн бұрын
Oh i can't wait
@its_yassser
@its_yassser 24 күн бұрын
Me too
@chienchaowang3018
@chienchaowang3018 23 күн бұрын
其實禮拜五晚上芒果YT會上個人的片段,我會看一次,等到禮拜二再看橘子老師的評論,就算沒有原本畫面跟聲音我也可以,但剪太多的話,只能去B站看完整版(為了這個還特地下載B站)。
@Yun-jing
@Yun-jing 23 күн бұрын
我同意橘子对Grenade歌词的评论,我不觉得这是保守的观点,相反,这首歌体现的情感在现代人看来有点问题。就像橘子说的,现在更多人反对自我牺牲自我陶醉式的爱,而更推崇建立在自爱自重基础上的爱。要是有一个人对我说这些歌词,我会觉得这个人太恐怖了,她的爱情是一种情感要挟。所以我也不喜欢这首歌所体现的情感。
@dwmobusa
@dwmobusa 23 күн бұрын
我觉得Faouzia 这个小姑娘对情感的价值观有问题,上次把Rihanna关于一个很不健康的relationship带来的痛苦的歌唱成了一个小姑娘对这种不健康关系的憧憬和幻想,完全忽视了Rihanna所经历过的痛,这次又选了这么一首在感情里偏执得可怕的歌,她20多岁了吧?怎么感觉对感情的理解像初中生一样?
@YabiRabbit
@YabiRabbit 23 күн бұрын
很理解杰凱覺得無法好好傳達中文歌詞給外國朋友的感受,真的覺得很可惜,不過同時這也是了解文化差異有趣的地方耶,你們的討論總是讓我覺得很有趣,拍拍不要沮喪。 我覺得橘老師不喜歡Grenade 不能說是保守,反而可能是共感性太強覺得歌詞情感太有壓迫感,「我不要你拿傷害自己來告訴我你有多愛我」這樣吧?不過我也很喜歡這首歌跟死了都要愛就是了XD 這集我最喜歡開寫輪眼複製那一長串轉音的杰凱、杰凱兒子的演奏,還有黃宣的小鎮姑娘🥰
@LuceaLu
@LuceaLu 23 күн бұрын
可以想像因為版權問題被刁難,但希望會員能看到比較長的版本。
@kkoo6035
@kkoo6035 23 күн бұрын
16:54 老師不想要恐怖情人哈哈
@mahmoudtabakhi6463
@mahmoudtabakhi6463 23 күн бұрын
I am somewhat upset because you are the only musician who comments on the show every week, perhaps because your comment depends entirely on whether you like the song or not, without any analysis. I mean, that's your personal taste. We are here to see how proficient the singer is since we are watching a video of a vocal coach
@holohulolo
@holohulolo 23 күн бұрын
you people should realise by now, t hey don't really care about giving the viewers what they want. This is like a side gig, it's like they get around and do a reaction together, but mostly centres around the one who are not familiar with Chinese culture and it's music at all. It's casual, they're not trying to be politic, or consistent in the sense that you want. They just do it when they can put some effort editing and translating it And barely goes beyond that. Because the main reason they're doing this is to get rozette to comment on the vocal technique and what's going on with the vocals when the singer sings etc. The one about seeing a westerner like rozette reacting to Chinese culture and music is more of a bonus.
@chiwchu
@chiwchu 21 күн бұрын
Stars from Les Miserables has a similar story with that of 人間道, yet still musical and enchanting regardless listeners cultural background.
@s3862
@s3862 23 күн бұрын
This is my favorite show now
@ongch6322
@ongch6322 23 күн бұрын
老师的the soup?!好可爱哈哈哈哈哈哈哈😂
@tamy0921
@tamy0921 22 күн бұрын
原本我覺得時長不錯,看完才覺得還是完整版比較好,CUT版有點支離破碎。 印象最深竟然是曬娃,彈得很好哇~ 至於熱烈討論歌詞那PART,我覺得不能強要求橘老師理解,按以往來評就好夠了。
@user-xf3hl1ii7j
@user-xf3hl1ii7j 22 күн бұрын
謝謝老師❤️❤️❤️
@kill6805
@kill6805 23 күн бұрын
Yellowjackets-‘no return’, true detective- ‘nevermind’, orange is the new black-‘you’ve got time’, true blood-‘bad things’. Just some of the great theme songs with killer lyrics😂 please check them out they are sooooo good tho🙏
@holohulolo
@holohulolo 23 күн бұрын
The guy trying to explain to rozette needs some time to gather his thought before being able to explain to her, they don't really stop the recording for him to do that I think. That's why he was lost for words. It's really not the same the way he compares it. The song is more than just about the lyrics, I mean it's a huge part of it, but the music has this JiangHu flavour that tis also cultural.
@q0w0p-WywyWayne
@q0w0p-WywyWayne 23 күн бұрын
就算看了歌詞我也沒辦法被譚維維感動😂。 我算是那種注重歌詞的人,對中文理解能力也算強的。
@joeyyang7980
@joeyyang7980 23 күн бұрын
因为你不是生活在中国这块被诅咒的土地上的人,如果在其他地方,谭维维的表达就太过于煽情了,甚至显得做作,但在中国,只有这样才能表达出感怒不敢言的悲情
@109-7
@109-7 23 күн бұрын
因为你不爱国,他歌词的很多隐喻是带有爱国教育的。“喝水不忘挖井人”“不见xx不得过”..跟语法也有关,他这个口头语法是北方人口头语
@its_yassser
@its_yassser 23 күн бұрын
I think i heard a lot of talking more than hearing the songs together , i hope they don’t cut much next time 🙏🏻
@StudlyHunk
@StudlyHunk 23 күн бұрын
Mostly it's because of copyright issues especially those contestant singing English songs.
@its_yassser
@its_yassser 23 күн бұрын
@@StudlyHunk nope i do not think so , chantee more and faouzia have been sining english songs since the first episodes what copyright are you talking about😄
@ms.chuckfu1088
@ms.chuckfu1088 23 күн бұрын
"Heard the human in them" That's the goal, isn't it? Yes.
@paige9441
@paige9441 23 күн бұрын
是因为我小时候天天在公园听大爷们公园吊嗓子吗 我很喜欢那首歌的旋律啊😂
@riva812
@riva812 23 күн бұрын
杰凱兒子好強、好帥呀
@OnRock-io3nq
@OnRock-io3nq 23 күн бұрын
I agree with Rozette that Chante’s vocal performance was the best, definitely my favorite vocalist too!
@makingedits380
@makingedits380 23 күн бұрын
I miss the long reactions like the whole performances:(
@user-qm8wt7hb8d
@user-qm8wt7hb8d 23 күн бұрын
因為版權問題,放音樂和畫面都容易被下架,所以有人建議「只需要把老師的評論剪出來,大家只想看老師的評論」。 我猜杰凱想試試這樣做,看看會不會能留下(不被下架)。
@lkvlkvlkv
@lkvlkvlkv 23 күн бұрын
B 站那邊杰凱的頻道通常會是完整的,如果不想要看被剪的可以去那邊
@user-oy9ik9pk3k
@user-oy9ik9pk3k 23 күн бұрын
以前都是完整的 只有這次被剪 看得我好錯愕 而且老師的評論也不完整
@user-qm8wt7hb8d
@user-qm8wt7hb8d 23 күн бұрын
@@user-oy9ik9pk3k 可能是第八期的關係。上週第八期被下架後,又上架直播了一次,現在回去找,又被下架了!為了因應KZbin 的版權問題,只能如此囉! 其實,這樣做,工作量更大。對杰凱的團隊而言,應該更寧願上完整版的,就不用再剪接、製作一次。
@zxd8105
@zxd8105 23 күн бұрын
会员版目前没有这个问题,起码声音是清晰完整的。每月才几刀,墙裂推荐!
@a186450
@a186450 23 күн бұрын
@@zxd8105哪裡加入會員~
@yyj7173
@yyj7173 23 күн бұрын
谭维维这次的歌开始两句没感觉,以后就一下子被抓住的感觉,震撼到不自觉眼睛会湿,不是感动,纯是被击打出的感觉,很神奇
@kenkenken001
@kenkenken001 23 күн бұрын
杰凱認為Grenade和死了都要愛是一樣的,就代表是他理解能力有問題。Grenade歌詞是願代替對方而死,然後質疑對方是否也肯。說實在的,是真的很爛啊!而死了都要愛根本沒有這意思。這根本和東西文化差異無關!
@109-7
@109-7 22 күн бұрын
而且rosette之所以会反感这种价值观肯定是她经历过类似的人际关系,他还去攻击人家保守。这个人真的理解能力只停留在句子的表面
@rongma9466
@rongma9466 23 күн бұрын
The only example that get close I think is the song in the TV show "The Wire". Nothing is a black and white in this crime/police show and the song "Way Down in the Hole" fitted the overall vibe and conveys the message with a bit of helpless heaviness. But yeah, even with this example I agree that it does not come in close in terms of the weight it carries.
@hwnnw2727hnwn2727
@hwnnw2727hnwn2727 23 күн бұрын
老師都快變橡皮圖章了 B站有趣現象 為什麼要按照西方價值走"在某影片下"留言,但相同帳號又出現在CZ Media下 留言 且活躍 這...很魔幻。
@rongluo3902
@rongluo3902 23 күн бұрын
Jay’s son is playing some incredible piano. Hope my son can do the same.😂
@andylim2680
@andylim2680 23 күн бұрын
can you do video on jj lin at cartier trinity 100 shanghai performance
@user-sp8qv5zr2y
@user-sp8qv5zr2y 23 күн бұрын
Naying was very nice on this one, i lked her. Yeallo and Tia were amazing too, great performers. Sad to see her go i wanted to more of her. For faouzia it's not surprising rozette didn't like her tbh. Idk if her style and voice isn't her cup of tee or something else, its ok really! But i can't not help not to notice now that not single performance of her she liked now matter how varstile it is aside from the vocal praise she covers it with. It didn't bother me then but now it feels different. She kept cutting the video and nitpick on the lyrics being suicidal not her techniqus or her noticible emotions or her flows if any yet ending the video with her singing the same song she hates and would turn off !!. So weird.
@hayyanalmemsani805
@hayyanalmemsani805 23 күн бұрын
I mean she did really like her performance of the desert rose, papparazi, the chinese song, and love on the brain
@user-sp8qv5zr2y
@user-sp8qv5zr2y 23 күн бұрын
​@@hayyanalmemsani805The issue with her as a vocal coach she does have strong bias towrds songs she likes if they were not intrpted the way she prefers. Look back at her comments during IWDWS or LOTB. Insted of focusing on the performance she rants song done too innocent, appearance or like a teenager cuz it didn't set with what preferd to see. Grenade entire time was overanalysing lyrics over looking at the performance, techniques or flaws. Then showd a cover of a song she hates multiple time to sing . shows lacks of credibility
@user-sp8qv5zr2y
@user-sp8qv5zr2y 23 күн бұрын
Of course she doesn't need to like her songs choices or the way she interprete them completly understable, after all it's personal preference. She just needs to be more objctive.
@powei413
@powei413 23 күн бұрын
最早把自己名字唱進歌裡的應該是周杰倫 第一次看到完美主義的最後一段歌詞時,差點以為是網站打錯字後又無限貼上
@hydewu618
@hydewu618 22 күн бұрын
開頭的辯論實在太有趣了,畢竟文學上來說,中文在一個句子能表達和隱喻明喻雙關甚至同時一起做到的能力要比英文還要再更深刻和複雜,所以詞在一首歌裡面相比英文歌來說通常都更重要。
@Aithan-X
@Aithan-X 23 күн бұрын
我希望傑凱不要在影片中再提到文化認同,既然你認為這首歌很好,那可以,但是你又提到文化差異,這實際上是在暗示橘子老师應該接受或認同你的觀點,而且也反應了你的價值觀,難道英文歌就沒有思想,歌詞就不重要,西方人就沒有深度嗎?所以如果你還選擇這樣搞文化認同,那你還是回你的b站吧,不要來youtube了,畢竟那裡的同溫層很厚,都是小粉紅
@life_is_a_lie01
@life_is_a_lie01 23 күн бұрын
有網友提到了,杰凱以往在B站上引用"歌手節目的影片"是有版權問題 但這次在B站上,節目影片已經可以完全放上來不用做任何處理 想必是跟官方節目達成了某些共識 所以必須得為官方派來的歌手說些話,你懂的 某種意義上的統戰
@user-tp2nd9ul4t
@user-tp2nd9ul4t 22 күн бұрын
@@life_is_a_lie01 哇 還有這層意思啊 我以為大陸那邊版權炮不嚴重 可以全放
@life_is_a_lie01
@life_is_a_lie01 22 күн бұрын
@@user-tp2nd9ul4t 這集才開始可以的喔!上一集就已經有些端倪了,有些合作的東西入鏡
@user-tp2nd9ul4t
@user-tp2nd9ul4t 22 күн бұрын
@@life_is_a_lie01 謝謝說明 很有用的資訊...其實他之前的影片多多少少看出他親中(一中政策) 對我這種台灣人 有點不太舒服
@newmagician6042
@newmagician6042 21 күн бұрын
@@user-tp2nd9ul4tb站就放完整版啊,KZbin却被版权轰
@MarouaneElFalouati
@MarouaneElFalouati 23 күн бұрын
here for faouzia
@mansirster
@mansirster 21 күн бұрын
認同詞在歌曲中有很重要的意境傳達的部分,甚至有時候一首曲是為了詞而特別寫的,曲的所有轉折處都是依附著詞 但是更多是詞為了曲而填上去的 我認為不用太糾結於懂不懂詞 因為這是歌唱比賽節目,應該著重於演唱技巧以及情感傳達,若他唱的曲無法感染到你隨之起舞或者動容,那就是演唱者本身的問題,而不該是他懂不懂歌詞的意境 比方說很多快歌的詞都很簡單沒有啥內容,但唱得讓聽的人心情愉悅隨之舞動,那就是厲害 再舉一個例子薩頂頂,她很多歌曲都是藏語或者自語,是根本沒有歌詞或者沒啥人能夠聽懂的,但依然很有名超多人喜歡,而且是全球性的喜歡 也如同我們在車上聽到一首抓耳的韓曲或者歐美歌曲,都只在乎好不好聽事後才有可能會去搜索歌詞 也就是說曲本身好不好是最重要的,詞或許能夠加分但充其量只是加分而已 杰楷有時候不用太在乎一些不夠有深度的觀眾們的評論,做好自己即可 我也認同現代的歐美劇基本上沒有什麼主題曲,主題曲也沒有跟劇相呼應的歌詞了;但這就是他們的文化 歐美跟亞洲本就不同 他們用詞營造氛圍的方式和亞洲有異曲同工之妙但又是如此不同,所以不用太過糾結 專業的事情留給專業,不專業的評論看看就好 簡而言之,一首曲即變沒有歌詞,也可以好聽到全世界傳唱;然而一首詞即變寫的多有深度。只要曲是做得亂七八糟,就絕對難以令人引發共鳴,畢竟不是在寫詩詞小說,由此可見曲是比詞更加重要萬分的
@tito2357
@tito2357 23 күн бұрын
Jkai’s little boy is amazing👏
@Leeogh
@Leeogh 23 күн бұрын
支持老師 這是在評唱功 又不是在評 歌的意境
@irurouni
@irurouni 23 күн бұрын
也可以。问题是真的能办得到吗?比如她听到英语歌时明显的兴奋,更能评价。语言熟不熟悉就是个不能避免的因素。坚持说没关系有点不实在。至少问一问吗。
@OOO-bu3ec
@OOO-bu3ec 23 күн бұрын
很遗憾,在中文语境里,“歌”=“词”+“曲”,否则方文山,林夕,毛不易他们不会出圈。老实讲,现代中文流行乐某种程度承载了古代唐诗宋词相同的功能。
@user-tp2nd9ul4t
@user-tp2nd9ul4t 22 күн бұрын
確實 這次杰楷有點本末倒置了
@chiyilin3831
@chiyilin3831 23 күн бұрын
香堤摩排名會低主要是改編的不好,Halo最重要的副歌就是在後面(屋~的部份),但香堤摩卻沒唱,最後橘子老師把這部份唱的很好 。
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