GMG REVIEWS - STARGRAVE by Osprey Games

[@cheetor_sho3box]

The self-perpetuating social media pre-backlash over this yet-to-be-released book is tedious. I hope/expect that it is just the usual blowhards mouthing off and that it won't have a real effect on sales and actual players. Thanks for the review Ash, Ican't wait to get my hands on this one!

[@GuerrillaMiniatureGames]

This book is literally designed for your Rogue Trader collection. In my jealous peak I am now coveting that collection and starting my own. The capstone of which will be a Gyrinx of course. :)

[@bombarded15]

Wait, what's the drama about? I've just seen lots of old models brought out getting geared up

[@housecaldwell]

@@GuerrillaMiniatureGames Where did you find a gyrinx??? I was thinking an Ambull might be a good guard dog....I wonder if anyone has an STL for one.

[@richmcgee434]

@@bombarded15 AFAIK it's mostly complaints about how SG is "just a reskin of FG" or something similar. Which is true for the most part (although I'd contend it borrows elements from all the previous games rather than "just" FG) but I haven't seen a coherent explanation of what the objectors wanted instead.

[@MrGunnar177]

@@richmcgee434 idk the book looks thicc

[@pdxholmes]

"It's just a reskin of Frostgrave"...as Ash goes on to list several ways it's different with tweaked rules. "Reskinned Frostgrave" is exactly what a lot of people wanted. Social media exists just for people to complain about something.

[@corgibuttz2550]

This reminds of when someone tried to "gotcha!" Ken Levine in regards to the similarities to from System Shock 2 to Bioshock. His response was "yes of course, I mean... Shock is in the name."

[@tomemaster1744]

"Nooo you can't just reskin a Fantasy game into a Science Fiction one." Haha WarCraft goes StarCraft.

[@richmcgee434]

Howdy, Warhammer Fantasy Battles. Is this your younger brother Rogue trader? I can see the family resemblance. :)

[@dannypockets]

Thanks for the video and THANK YOU FOR THE OPENING STATEMENT it’s unbelievable the kind of complaining you see around this... Sheesh!

[@codyweaver7546]

People complain more when they get what they want.

[@thegeekinthenorth6399]

Massively appreciate Ash's statement at the beginning around "this is a reskin of Frostgrave". I have been really confused to people being unhappy essentially this is a Sci-Fi version of Frostgrave. I'm not sure if people just thought there'd be even more specialised rules to differentiate it from Frostgrave or that it would be an entirely different system but that's the joy of Joseph's games for me, they are so easy to modify that if there's a mechanic you were hoping for, he has given you a great basis to add it! Not to mention the game isn't out yet, we need to see the full book first surely! :)

[@JimmiWazEre]

Ok ok, so... 1. You admit this is just a reskin 2. You admit that the joy of Joseph's games are that you can just mod and reskin them anyway you see fit. Congratulations, you're a step closer to seeing the problem. That is... What's the point of paying for a 'new game' when it's just something that we've all been encouraged to do with the original game anyway? People were wanting to see significant new mechanics, not surface level tinkering, and changes to the fluff. This book brings no new insights to the table.

[@thegeekinthenorth6399]

@@JimmiWazEre it sounds like you're after a new game system! I'm not an expert on all that's out there but I've heard a lot about Rogue Stars, might be more what you're after! 😊

[@JimmiWazEre]

@@thegeekinthenorth6399 thanks I'll check it out

[@ReallyBigBadAndy76]

@@JimmiWazEre so don’t buy it. Problem solved. What’s to complain about? It’s a rule set you can buy for $15 on Kindle. People need to chill out and let other people enjoy things.

[@peterk4626]

This....is.....awesome! Everything a sci-fi warband game should be, ticks every box.

[@cthulhu4lyfe]

Best beginning of a video....”It’s called Stargrave damnit!!” ‘Nuff said

[@batmandalorian5504]

"It's just a reskin of Frostgrave" cool - my copy of Stargrave will be delivered tomorrow.

[@HeadHunterSix]

The painting on the miniatures in the book is simply _fantastic_ !

[@Phoenikuz]

"Is this going to be StarGrave?!"... "Is THIS going to be StarGrave?!"... "Wait, this IS StarGrave? And it is just what we asked for? Well, now we don't want it!" - Grognards. Grognards never change. Thanks for the review Ash - I'm really looking forward to get this on the table! :D

[@andrewpepper-parsons9630]

Frostgrave in space is exactly what the world needs. Sounds awesome and I look forward to some play through videos.

[@JimmiWazEre]

I wonder if this is intentional dishonesty, or just ignorance? When folks said that they wanted Frostgrave in space, it wasn't meant literally. They want the concept of fg in space, not the exact same game. Anyone can already take the game and rename the nouns - that's not difficult. Ash likens this to 40k to WHFB but everyone knows that those are two fundamentally different games, not least because of setting, but also mechanically, and with how they play. So ironically, yes, 40k to WHFB is exactly the kind of thing people wanted when they said that they wanted FG in space.

[@adamfox1669]

If you live long enough, you too will be a grognard kiddo

[@jernejpeternel7415]

"Cant take the sky from me" - oh Firefly, where art thou. Great review

[@tibour007]

I have already been thinking about that, and using my Wild west Exodus minis for it.

[@MrGunnar177]

I’m leaning towards dead mans hand minis

[@tibour007]

@@MrGunnar177 They work as well. Like most I love using minis that I have for another system. I am also a huge Fire Fly fan. I have already been thinking of using the Union as Federal Troops. With the setting being after a war it just lends itself to the crew so well. SciFi western is just great to start!!

[@MrGunnar177]

@@tibour007 ordered some dead man hands and knuckle buster minis. Need some sci fi ish stuff for the specialists

[@jernejpeternel7415]

@@tibour007 I will be using Firefly Adventures: Brigands and Browncoats miniatures for this. Cant wait...

[@robottaviano4178]

When is "GhostStation Arcipellico" being released? Will we have blups? (Underwater blips)

[@richmcgee434]

"Rangers of the FrostGhost Star Archipelago" is fairly catchy.

[@raincoast_bear]

Space Rangers of the Ghost Nebula. Actually there was TV show in the 90s Space Rangers.

[@GB-yt9sn]

End of 2021, not far off the mark with ghoststation. It is set on a dead station

[@bluebird3281]

@@raincoast_bear star rangers of the outer shadows

[@Paddyevans]

Firefly Adventures minis as a crew? Check. Sontarans as a crew? Check. Cylons as a robot crew? Check. Klingons as a crew? Check. Star Wars bountry hunters as a crew? Check. Daleks as a very unusual crew? Check. Starfleet mins as a crew? Oh double, maybe triple check.... Need to find more pop culture minis for this ASAP :)

[@Escapeexes]

At 28:30, the "Run For It" rule where you can always get 3" of movement was in Frostgrave 2nd ED. Great rule that my group took advantage of because we had a Witch that was fond of the Mud spell. Great review, looking foward to this book!

[@bombarded15]

Was going to skip watching this so I could have that magical "first time exploring the book" feel like I did when I got Frostgrave but I got impatient, and honestly, your enthusiasm and commentary gave me that same feeling but even better. Excellent video dude :)

[@daxthedestroyer9061]

This is great! I can't wait for "Star Rangers of Shadow Sector Delta" 😁 ... no really, very much want.

[@GuerrillaMiniatureGames]

The first expansion; Installation 37 or somesuch has the solo rules in it :)

[@kindermord]

@@GuerrillaMiniatureGames excellent - I was a little disappointed that the skills from Rangers didn’t make it over. But just like yourself - I’m going to be digging out my Rogue Trader figures.

[@euansmith3699]

I prefer the High Gothic. "Venators dei Umbra Profundis" :)

[@toddbutcher1784]

Yes please!

[@13Nagash13]

I want to see if I can use my blackstone fortress and random unpainted/forgotten models in the closet of shame, in mean shelves of opportunity, to make a warband. at the speed it paint, i should be ready when the solo rules come out.

[@euansmith3699]

It is great seeing Ash so happy. I'm really looking forward to getting a copy of these rules, plus the expansion, plus the plastic kits.

[@richmcgee434]

Everyone likens the First Mate to an Apprentice, but they're really closer to filling the Warden role from Ghost Archipelago. They provide you access to a whole separate set of tricks from your Captain (Heritor, in GA). They are (or at least can be) more fighty than Wardens though, so they're kind of a mashup of Frostgrave mercenary "Captains" (that name's going to get confusing) and Wardens - and yeah, Apprentices if you want to double down on whatever your Captain's pool of tricks is.

[@danlangford9434]

Yep. I thought the same thing.

[@17blaziken]

I loved the different "class" in GA, like the facts that you have something similar here.

[@richmcgee434]

@@17blaziken Yep. You can see how Stargrave is taking some of the best elements from all his earlier games, as well as a adding a few new things. Presumably whatever the next XXXgrave game turns out be will continue the trend.

[@Hundmathr]

Thank you Ash. I don't get why people are upset about it being Frostrgrave in space. Besides Warhammer and 40k, just about every game has done it, Metamorphosis Alpha which then became Gamma World was originally D&D in space, a few years later TSR did it again with Star Frontiers, more recently Pathfinder spun off Starfinder, just to name a handful of the top of my head. Folx really need to chill. While I'm flexing my old nerd cred, Burning Chrome is a perfectly reasonable reference for cyberspace, Gibson set the eponymous short story in that collection (as well as several other stories) in the same Sprawl universe as Nueromancer.

[@richmcgee434]

In fairness to TSR, Star Frontiers was very much its own thing, the rules don't really resemble D&D or anything else they ever made - at least at first, the Zebulon Guide variant turned it into something akin to Marvel Super-Heroes. If I understand any of the Stargrave complaints correctly it seems that folks think there wasn't enough work done on the design for it to be worth buying, which is so subjective it's hard to make a rational argument about it. How much change counts as "enough to be worth the cost" isn't a question anyone can answer except for themselves.

[@richardtasden4417]

A McGuffin isn’t just any fluff. Even if it is that character’s specific motivation. It has to be the central driving force of the plot.

[@morehammer]

Thanks for the review dude very exiting, you are so lucky to get this so early, rest of us gotta wait another 6 weeks! *cries to sleep*

[@Chopperkelly73]

Can’t wait! Looking forward to seeing Logan’s World

[@willnox1]

Ash: Next question now. When is "Apocalypticgrave" or "Dustgrave" coming out? Yes I do love TNT as well.

[@benjimanfitzpatrick9976]

dustgrave oh please let it be called dustgrave. Apocalyptic frostgrave would be badass

[@polyhedron3386]

The amount of references here is impressive. Appreciate the tenacious D one :)

[@GuerrillaMiniatureGames]

This is not the greatest review in the world. It’s just a tribute.

[@jerric1228]

I’m amazed people complained about that. A few people made good examples but the one that comes to mind for me is mass effect being dragon age is space. That’s exactly what the fans wanted and it sold incredibly well because of it.

[@chadcaughmann7898]

Isn’t dragon age just knights of the old republic in a fantasy setting?

[@marcdeem7563]

I get to use all of my Star Wars Miniatures that have been sitting in cases for years!! Now to build terrain...after having built tons of "ancient ruins" for Frostgrave/Rangers...*goes and buys granny grating, straws for pipes, and apologizes to wife...*

[@derosadesignco.659]

i've got a ton of star wars legion figures that will be great for this. time to start building a campaign for them. I love legion for what it is but my kids like to "level up" so this is gonna be a perfect blend i think

[@johntailby74]

The action move three inches is in Frostgrave 2.

[@CesarIsaacPerez]

So excited for Stargrave!!! Can't wait for my book to get home. I'm going to use all the Blackstone fortress mini's as one warband and I've been buying a bunch of Necromunda stuff for a second warband.

[@Paddyevans]

(mid-watch) You get a cookie for a Space: Above and Beyond reference. Want to know what happened after the cliffhanger ending of season two!

[@HenricWallmark]

Tanks, they were invitros?

[@steeldrac]

I loved that series

[@Paddyevans]

@@HenricWallmark Bingo. But the derogatory term was Tank or Nipple Neck.

[@craigbrown04]

Amen to that, we need to know!!!

[@paintingbyminions8360]

I love all the art in these books. Great video. Can’t wait to get my grubby little hands on it.

[@CopperAndCutGrass]

This game sounds like it is exactly what I wanted from a sci-fi Frostgrave! Looking forward to playing. Great art as usual from Osprey.

[@frankg9956]

Thanks for the review Ash. When can we expect to see some Let's Play content from you for Stargrave? Great channel man. Keep doing what you do.

[@danielbrodeur3910]

Rogue trader games workshop era... Cool feel old school gaming

[@ForgeMoon]

Well you can easily use this rules for VSF/Steampunk without any modifications, really looking forward to it!

[@Cthuluman3]

I seriously cannot wait for this game, and watching this review has only intensified my MIGHTY NEED!!

[@Prettykitty7890]

I bought 4 Hot Wheels while grabbing a few things at the store tonight, but I haven't played Gaslands in 15 months - that's how good Joe's games are. Take my money please. Thanks for the review Ash!

[@primarchechs7139]

Tekwar reference! Made my day.

[@superfugy]

Omg I just got into frostgrave and fell in love and now I get to have a sci-fi version!!!!!

[@bshean72]

This offers a great spread of flavours from classic pulp sci-fi to prison planet etc, looking forward to seeing what the community comes up with

[@AltroseSenar]

Super looking forward to seeing games of this. Been excited for the release of this game since Joe put it on his blog.

[@bombarded15]

11:02 That Wonderboy reference, there are so many great little bits in this review lol

[@acrylicchemist1432]

This looks super fun, thanks Ash!

[@cptaqua1984]

So pumped for this, got my old metal van saar gang some metal catachans I'm going to paint up for this.

[@alexdevilbat]

I have a feeling this is going to replace Kill Team for my lunch game.

[@irrationalgaz]

Bonus love for referencing Space Above and Beyond. The original space opera that was cancelled too soon.

[@mickdipiano8768]

This was a very useful and comprehensive review and intro to the game . Thanks.

[@breonstewart-guarino3081]

I've been ready for Stargrave for months, maybe years. I wasn't ready for a reference to TekWar.

[@Moseth7606]

Dam it man! I knew nothing of this, and only just recently got into frostgrave thanks to your lets plays. Looking forward to seeing your future vids 👍

[@Anuduin]

Great Tenacious D references. Looking forward to getting my copy.

[@agrayday7816]

Great job Ash, thanks for sharing!

[@scott4991]

Love your work Ash! Can't wait to get my hands on this

[@52Miniatures]

Thanks for this! Quite exited about Stargrave

[@uriance88]

This review has me leaning towards this - particularly since they have said they will have solo rules - as opposed to 5 Parsecs. With teenagers, the pile of models that started my foray into this hobby will now have a use. Onwards to the first battle report (totally didn't take long for me to subscribe to this channel)

[@AF-kj2zl]

Thanks for the review!!!

[@HaroudoXavier]

Really great review. Thank you!

[@R3dS0ulSnak3]

Just got my Frostgrave books!! Can't wait to order Stargrave!!!

[@Berserkerworks]

I can't wait to build a ton of terrain for this!

[@Rajja29]

Love your videos, never played Frostgrave but Stargrave really has me interested.

[@ryanwest4968]

Love Frostgrave, this looks great & can't wait for this, and preppin my own crew now. Expectantly awaiting some great bat reps from Ash. I can't wait to see what Ash will pick for his capt & 1st mate. Will he have a motley crew like Firefly? A hardened group of soldiers like Alien? Or an assortment of Rogue One-esque Jedi/bounty hunter/freedom fighters?

[@raincoast_bear]

Thanks for sharing Ash. I'm looking forward to seeing the rules myself when they ship next month. If looks like a fun set of rules good for any SF and Space Opera figures - 40K, Star Wars, Star Trek, Stargate, Firefly, Galactica, etc.

[@thelonelybolter8245]

Fabulous video as always! Just get my copy, so into it :) Currently painting Blood Ravens for 40k, so much fun thinking about combinations of intercessors/infiltrators/heavy intercessors/etc to build a team!

[@wellhungindung]

I don't know why people are complaining that Stargrave is Sci Fi update of Frostgrave, sounds good to me and I'll be buying it. I would say though that I'm not that impressed with the sculpting of the North Star miniatures I've seen so far, very chunky. I have several boxes of the frostgrave stuff and they are good.

[@HaroudoXavier]

The art is really amazing.

[@philtombershead]

I don't know why but the first couple of minutes had me in stitches.

[@robottaviano4178]

Sebastian, you are our best and only friend.

[@thepiratepenguin4465]

17:02 or something like Xenomorph or a Nid could be a fun pet?

[@euansmith3699]

Ash, "... so you can't make some super ultra mega death person..." Owen, "Challenge accepted. Rogue Trooper is called Rogue. Johnny Alpha is Strontium Dog... Hmm... a Strontium Dog crew could be a lot of fun.

[@GuerrillaMiniatureGames]

Yeah I mixed my mutant glowy eyed dudes for a second hahaha

[@raincoast_bear]

Rogue Trooper fit well as a Bioform or a Cyberborg if you include his AI equipment.

[@GamingwithTheCooler]

hmmmm

[@richmcgee434]

@@raincoast_bear Hmmm, I wonder if you could do Rogue as a bioform and then model his chipped equipment as members of his crew? You could do something like that in Rogue Stars - make all the "gear" characters with Robotic and Tiny and have Rogue carry them most of the time. Sigh. Shame that game never got the support it needed to really break out. We wouldn't even be talking about Stargrave if it had, but nope, abandonware by both the creator and Osprey. Sales must have been terrible or something.

[@richardatherton7280]

Oh no... I think I now have to buy all the Warlord Games Strontium Dog miniatures

[@hjorhrafn]

Wait, people are actually surprised that this is a re-skin? I don't pay attention to much social media anymore.

[@chrisalcala4733]

Great video Ash! I like some of the backlash as a huge compliment to Joe; usually this level of Preanger is reserved for the much bigger companies....bravo Joe, you have truly made it! Ash, I know you are going to use your old models and that's cool, but will you later create a second crew using the Northstar models? Would love to see this too.

[@GuerrillaMiniatureGames]

I’ll paint up whatever I get my hands on!

[@richardatherton7280]

If I wasn't excited for this before (and I was...), I definitely am now! Great review and seems like this is going to be a great game. The best bits of Frostgrave, with the cool bits from Rangers, but IN SPAAAACE.

[@johnmiddleton4291]

I found that the perfect game to use all your Rogue Trader minis in rhymes with Rogue Trader.

[@garethtomkins5797]

Sounds good to me.makes me laugh the people who complain it's just rehash of Frostgrave....yes the clue is in the name. As you said I think most of us have figures to use from our collections of figures and games we have gathered over the years.Great review as always Ash 👍👍

[@chadnine3432]

Hey! This is just Frostgrave in space!

[@StormWildSpace]

Just open my core space box for minis and terrain. Sweet! Can't wait to get this book and watch your bat reps.

[@kcaudle52]

Been buying and building Star Wars Legion miniatures to get ready to build crews. For the price, Legion minis offer great deal of variety in soldiers and droids.

[@tinywargamer3863]

For droids check out Mantic marionettes

[@kcaudle52]

@@tinywargamer3863 those do look good!! Thanks!

[@michaeljacobs2860]

excited to see alot of battle reports of this new game

[@7.7.7_.7..7._]

Havnt been so excited to watch a new tabletop review :))

[@MikeDavison]

So excited for this!

[@timothyyoung2962]

I actually find it really surprising HOW well this game can be applied to a lot of other sci-fi miniature properties. I have yet to not be able to mirror a character from another game for Stargrave.

[@Kevin.Mitchell]

Fantastic! What an added bonus for an otherwise boring Saturday! My copy is preordered since last Summer - I already have a great set of minis from my forays into Starbreach which built on my 30 year old Rogue Trader / WH40K collections, but I still have enough of an unpainted pile to get cracking on while I wait for the postie to deliver. These will also come in handy for the upcoming Xenos Rampant too! Looking forward to your playthroughs - hopefully Owen doesn't break it too much!

[@johntailby74]

Biomorph sounds also like the Genetic Infantry from Rogue Trooper.

[@Grendelnz]

in Frostgrave 2 you can push yourself back from combat. both this and the 3" move are new rules in FG 2.

[@johnhaynes9442]

nice space above and beyond reference

[@GuerrillaMiniatureGames]

In space, no one can hear you scream. Unless it is the battle-cry of the United States Marine Corps! SHOW ME YOUR WAR FACE!

[@ghostmutton]

I have an old board game called Mutant Chronicles Siege of the Citadel. This might be the perfect opportunity to use those Dark Legion minis.

[@meffeli]

Omg a Tank! I'm so happy you mentioned Space AaB, used to love that show

[@GuerrillaMiniatureGames]

Best opening R Lee Ermey ever filmed after Full Metal Jacket.

[@imjodokast]

Did I miss something or do soldiers not get access to shotguns?

[@GuerrillaMiniatureGames]

Anyone with a carbine can freely trade it with a shotgun

[@giantlobsterboy644]

What is the breadeye reference?

[@GuerrillaMiniatureGames]

Jedi!

[@Svejir]

10:36 the pilot looks like Wesker from Resident Evil!

[@Level30Commoner]

Ahhh Stargrave, the Owen-Fix-Edition!

[@andresaguilar723]

I can't wait!!! :D

[@mitchcowan1446]

How big of a map do we need for Stargrave? Thx

[@GuerrillaMiniatureGames]

From 2x2 to 4x4 with 3x3 being standard for all the scenarios.

[@mitchcowan1446]

@@GuerrillaMiniatureGames great thx. I have a bunch of 3x3, and could just use a sectioned off 6x4 for larger maps. Core Space minis are going to be my choice initially. A nice mix of standard scifi characters and some quality robots to mix in or make a complete squad. Is there a solo option like with Call to Arms?

[@scottperkins5038]

I now want to try and make my Destiny guardians and use them.

[@kamikazebadger2686]

This is a game I didn’t know I needed in my life. Thanks Ash

[@mattj1871]

Ash has a way of doing that. A lot...

[@OldPaw]

Excited for this game. Still waiting for GMG wound tokens.

[@KrisHyre]

Dang it, am I going to have to start getting 40k minis, again? I've already been converting fantasy stuff for Rangers of Shadowdeep.

[@mattj1871]

Have several SciFi minis kits from failed games that I can FINALLY use for something!

[@toothlesssal5598]

Would it be possible to play this co-op?

[@HeadHunterSix]

I can't see why not, though you might need a "game master" to handle the opposition (or some means to "AI" the creatures).

[@chunkycornbread4773]

so exited about this game

[@markgnepper5636]

Great stuff friend 👏 👍