Gullane Golf Club - East Lothian

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Anyone got a question for the next episode?

[@martynedwards1493]

Swing style against club choice ie If you are a high handicapper that hits down on the ball (seemingly most older guys do) Do so (called) game improvement clubs with much stronger lofts really work for you?

[@Ahuisnl]

Would like your opinion on several special purpose clubs. Specialized chippers, sand wedges, gx7, vixa v12. Since I have limited practice time (and skill), I want to reduce all variation, and I don't really need versatility and big range of shots. It only messes up my regular swing. Especially long irons and driver I am unable to use. Watched with interest your cutting down a driver!

[@bshimo2]

Senior golfer- set makeup, shafts, distance irons, swing tips

[@robbiles]

Your and Lou's opinion regarding wedge spin numbers, that the Companies are pushing so hard. Are they all relatively the same (player/strike dependant) and should we be looking more at bounce and grinds when getting new ones.

[@steveoliver7057]

Has the rule changes made any significant improvements to the speed of play.

[@northernsupertramp7390]

Watching Crossfields reviews, I believe the reviews are unbiased. His Titleist sponsorship hasn’t affected his reviews of other manufacturers.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Agreed but has it affected his reviews of Titleist?

[@northernsupertramp7390]

No I don’t think it has, Titleist gear is good, everyone knows that. I think his reviews come over as impartial to be honest. What ever he is reviewing, the same as yourself.

[@oldfoggie123]

@@TheAverageGolfer No!

[@cwugrad396]

Northern Supertramp Titleist is the best golf company on the planet ... if you had to play only one company’s products including the ball it would be Titleist

[@duffymoon5912]

Love East Lothian. The greens at Gullane are always excellent.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Golfing heaven

[@davidstephens6813]

Mark Crossfield’s reviews are some of the best out there. He makes no secret of his Titleist affiliation and his dispute with TM, so there is a need to ignore some of the fluff, but the meat of the reviews is excellent. It’s also worth noting that his Titleist relationship has given him (and therefore the viewer) access to things that would not be possible otherwise. I personally think that viewers will binge watch reviews of a club by all the channels anyway, so if a bad club is made by Titleist (in the case of Mark), you’d soon get to know about it. As Lewis says though, the big manufacturers don’t make bad clubs, it’s just a question as to who would need them. Mark has, and continues to question the role of certain clubs in the Titleist range so it can’t be said that they are immune from scrutiny on that channel.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Good to hear and thxs for feedback David

[@ianwatts3035]

What a great vid, really enjoyed the format. Love the straightforwardness of it all. It’s what it’s all about. Cheers

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Thanks Ian

[@jeremystafford8374]

I started watching club reviews around 18 months ago, and have watched most KZbin channels. Now I only watch half a dozen, the average golfer being one . And one of the reasons being, I trust your opinion. I tried and bought the srixon z585 after your review, a club I wouldn't have considered before. Thanks for your efforts

[@ianstyring9602]

Right, I've only watched up to 18 minutes but something is getting to me......tell Louis to take an extra club. He's always short on each of the holes I've seen so far. That's something we amateurs do, not pro's. Great honest video as always Andy.

[@derek2787]

I think Lew hit on a good point when he said that there are no bad clubs anymore. Because of this, whilst I believe reviewers are being honest, most reviews I see come across as being fairly bland and much of a muchness. I realise that sounds like I'm being overly critical which isn't my intention, I just mean that, when there's a gnat's whisker of difference between most clubs, there's really not much that can be said about them to set club 'A' apart from club 'B', other than 'I like this one slightly more than that one'. As for a question: What's your most annoying shot? For me it's the one where I have a chance of one of those high risk, one in ten go for glory shots which I turn down in favour of the sensible lay-up with an 8 iron....which I shank into the rough or top 30 yards forward. Gawd that's irritating! 😀

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Great feedback and question!

[@renmay3171]

Andy, couldn’t really tell, but are you still using the TM Original One as your driver? I’ve got one in 13.5 and have been tinkering with using it as a combo driver and 3 wood (good lie) off the fairway. But I play it better lower loft off the tee and higher loft off the fairway. Just looking for a happy medium. Like to here your thoughts.

[@Nyasha33]

Everyone should go and and test clubs and get fitted. Cannot merely rely on a reviewers opinion, especially if you are spending a lot of money on new equipment. @theaveragegolfer you were dead right on the PXG 0211’s and the new Taylormade P790, both excellent clubs.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Yes totally agree

[@MPlattsjr]

I feel for you guys. Here in NC we hit 34C on the 3rd. We're just getting to fall golf.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Wow a bit chilly here but will be in the States from Sunday

[@rhysgiller4442]

Definitely prefer this style of video to a chat on a sofa. Have you guys had struggles with clubs after custom fits? I have had some issues with my new driver after a few good weeks and the same happened with my irons. The fit was good and new clubs numbers were clearly being on all fronts on the launch monitor

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Glad your enjoying Rhys

[@kylesinclair203]

Rhys Giller - it’s funny, hu? I don’t think I have ever put a new set of irons in the bag and liked them out of the gate... I give myself AT LEAST 10 times of hitting them. (Combo between range &rounds) I’m 5 rounds in with a new set of irons & am just now feeling like we will have a future together... 😂

[@davidpollard3921]

Really enjoyed the video, it re-lived some happy and fond memories of playing Gullane 2. As to honesty remember "one mans meat is another man's poison" and we all have hidden bias or prejudice. As long as you are honest to yourself when reviewing then whats to criticise, even though people may not agree with what you say. It is always good to hear and compare what various people have said about equipment and over a period of time you get a feel for who you want take notice of. Carry on with what you are doing as I enjoy it. I really sympathise the hurt you feel when your integrity is challenged, its something all decent people fear.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

David Pollard what a fantastic measured and logical response David, thxs for feedback

[@mabs_golf1737]

Crossfield dig! My personal opinion is I respect Mark’s review above anyone’s on KZbin.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

and your opinion is the only one that matters

[@grahamriddall9946]

In my opinion - it was a little unfair to imply that Mark Crossfield's reviews are somehow less honest because of his Titleist sponsorship. Now I have never met Mr. Crossfield, but based on how he presents himself on KZbin, it looks to me like he is confident/arrogant enough (in himself and in his channel) to NOT let the sponsorship consciously effect his reviews. I appreciate that the sponsorship could effect his UNCONSCIOUS bias - but everyone (including you) has unconscious bias - which comes from the culture you live in, your life experiences etc. etc. So....you, Rick Shiels or anyone could easily have more unconscious bias than Mr. Crossfield - despite his sponsorship....maybe?

[@TheAverageGolfer]

I never suggested they were less honest, I said that I didnt think a reviewer should be sponsored as it is obvious to then question any such alliance. On a simple level of respect for the brand sponsor surely it is difficult to criticise that brand and I am yet to see it? I might be wrong and can only speak as how I feel I would feel if 'contracted' to a brand? I am not aware of my unconscious bias.......obviously ;) Great comments btw.

[@jamesorr1903]

I find you, Shiels, Crossfield, TXG, Finch very honest. There's another whose reviews feel more like commercials, but won't mention names!

[@TheAverageGolfer]

I am honoured to make the list James

[@sodthong]

They can't be 100% honest, that's the nature of reviews. You are more honest than most tbf. Gave up on Shiels, everything has become a distance comp with him. Crossfield has become boring, and Robinson is just way over the top. I just watch you and Golf Mates, now that's a real entertaining organic channel.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

more honest than most?

[@seansack609]

Totally agree about Robinson

[@denglishdoc]

Agreed but I think shiels has moved away from traditional club reviews because a lot of people do them. He does unique products now. If I’m looking for a traditional club review I watch average golfer or txg. I also really like Alex Etches and his golf box videos.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

@@denglishdoc Alex is unique and a great fun perspective

[@sodthong]

@@TheAverageGolfer It was a compliment :)

[@davidtasker6663]

Thank you for answering my question Gents. Tomorrow I’m playing in my local Sunday comp and the big sticks have all been taken out of the bag. Irons, wedges and putter only. Since speaking with you guys I’ve been to ping over at Gainsborough and got my irons, wedges, driver and putter all custom fit. Was advised to spend on lessons with 3 wood and hybrid rather than making a purchase now. Not bad eh from Ping. That’s why I love them. So, new fitted driver on way. Seemed I needed different, shaft, flex and head. Ended up much more consistent :-) Will be laughed at when I pull a 4 iron on the 1st tomorrow. Nice easy 460 yard par 4 start. 200 off the tee, 160, leaves 100 in. Two putt for a net birdie :-) simples!?

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Good luck and hope the new clubs work well

[@davidtasker6663]

First time I’ve ever hit ten on the bounce on line and finished where intended... time will tell but at least now I know it’s all me once they are fitted :-) thanks again for hosting the golf day hope you do it again next year

[@davidtasker6663]

The Average Golfer played today with irons, wedges and putter only. Shot 92 and made 5 pars. Not my best score however, it was real fun thinking my way round and ripping 4/5 irons off the tee :-)

[@jaybyrne4562]

It's took me a few days to think of this:- but.... Everyone says how important it is to get custom fit, and i agree, so why do most companies only provide 7i to test and fit from for pro shops? How do you know if the 4i in a set suits you or if your better off in a combo set etc as you can't usually hit the 4i. Surely if manufacturers expect us to pay so much money for clubs, they should provide more options for us to get properly fit?

[@K008DXR]

I THINK IT WOULD BE OF INTEREST IF YOU WOULD GIVE YOUR FOLLOWERS AN IDEA OF THE GREEN FEES ON THE COURSES YOU PLAY.GREAT VIDEO AND GULLANE 2 LOOKS AWESOME.PRICEY I WOULD IMAGINE!!

[@TheAverageGolfer]

The course we played is £62 per round

[@TheAverageGolfer]

The course we played is £62 per round

[@K008DXR]

THANKS THAT ISN'T TOO BAD WOULD PAY THAT AS IT LOOKS GREAT!

[@TheAverageGolfer]

@@K008DXR Its still expensive but for this quality I would say it is worth it

[@K008DXR]

@@TheAverageGolfer thanks

[@paulbown3960]

Andy how are you getting on with that mini driver? Any chance of a long term report?

[@TheAverageGolfer]

I love it and yes maybe a vid is a good idea

[@joewilson1295]

Another great video Andy. I like Gullane 2. It’s only just over a 30 minute drive from home. It has some great views over the Forth to Fife and back towards Edinburgh. It’s the best value for money of the 3 Gullane courses. As for club reviews, I thought your Honma driver review was a great review and the honesty was refreshing. I think all the KZbin channels I watch are pretty honest with their reviews and I include Mark Crossfield in that. Keep the great videos coming.

[@robbiles]

Agree with Lou. There aren't any real bad clubs out there, not from the major makers anyway. Most Pro reviewers are good strikers so can give their opinion relative to their usual numbers but it all comes down to personal preference and I don't think I've heard any of them not say to go and test for ourselves. Even Mark Crossfield, who is the one a lot of people got upset about with his sponsorship. As for you Andy, no disrespect to your swing, but it's great to hear what one of us thinks about the new stuff.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Love that last line Rob

[@MyAbedul]

Using a TM HiToe BigFoot? 60º? 5:35 What other wedges do you use?

[@golf007sd2]

I have never felt that your reviews have been anything but honest and from the heart. To those that cry foul...well they have more problems than what you have to say about golf products. Keep doing what you and Lewis do. Cheers, mate :D

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Very true

[@garybewers8266]

Another great video Andy. Personally for me I find the reviews helpful but the point yourself and all the other guys make is “go and try and get custom fit” so for me people shouldn’t take what you say or anyone else for gospel because at the end of the day everything is individual. I’ve learnt that this year changing into the Cobra F9 based upon reviews and it being a disaster for me. Quickly realised that I need to base my opinion on testing clubs in my own hands and now very happy with Epic Flash and Callaway have been a brand I have never given real consideration to in the past so goes to show trying them all is crucial. Thanks for all your work to give to us average golfers to help enjoy the game that bit more.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Your point is perfect, base opinion of your own testing, cheers Gary

[@petermartinaitis8166]

Gary, surely you went for a club test and fitting before buying the Cobra F9 ?

[@Mungo-ul9pv]

Love the course. East Lothian is a golfing heaven but as you say generally costly unless you play a great parkland course I keep plugging Castle Park. Great vlog

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Yes there are some gems up there

[@steveoliver7057]

Reviews are one persons opinion! Whether they are honest or not would never influence me personally on what club\s to buy. If “you” are buying based on reviews I would question “ your” thought process. That said, I really enjoy what you ( and Lewis) are doing. Keep it up 🏌🏻‍♂️👍

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Yes I agree Steve

[@chrislewis7]

Question: Below what swing speed should you give up the 3 wood off the fairway and use a 5 wood instead? I hit the driver about 93mph and I recently got a 5 wood and it goes so much better for me than the 3 wood.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Good question for Lew

[@syftuyagolf8340]

I really like the format of that video. Really nice. And it's a given that your reviews are honest. No doubt. And I'm amazed that anyone would question the honest of your reviews. What are people like?

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Glad you enjoyed thxs

[@thrustmeister]

Like your take on the honesty of product reviews Andy, I agree 100% with your conclusions.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Thank you

[@marksheehangolfcourses4722]

What a putt by Louis!

[@TheAverageGolfer]

I suppose it wasnt bad......

[@craigjames1355]

Hi sorry I know this is a late review on this vlog. Looks great , I’m in Edinburgh next week and this time of year it’s going to be a tough time to play golf but was hoping to play Gullane is it worth it do you think ? Many thanks Craig

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Absolutely I played it yesterday 🤣

[@craigjames1355]

No way , so it’s playable this time of year yes ? I’m travelling up next week from Cornwall to see some friends for a week and obviously I’m keen to play golf once whilst in Scotland . I love your you tube and admire your opinion. 👍

[@TheAverageGolfer]

@@craigjames1355 yes it’s very playable, the course is in great condition

[@craigjames1355]

Thanks thts brilliant to know you played it yesterday. Cheers 🏌️‍♂️

[@Ahuisnl]

Hcp 22 here. Not bothered with bad lies. I just move the ball backwards. No penalty. What is the point? I don't practice enough to hit balls perfectly from every lie. I can't hit it consistently with a good lie! 2-3 meters difference in distance has no effect on my game anyway with my dispersion. So why bother. Quick decisions, faster play, more fun. I don't consider it cheating, and I do try to avoid bad lies. Leaving my driver in the bag most of the time for that reason. My Hcp is too high, but it gives me a better read if my game is improving. Also I do not play competitive.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

I think thats a great way to play, all about enjoyment

[@davidleigh2573]

A great vlog Andy with good golf and questions. My own feeling is that it is not necessarily about honesty but badge snobbery. As usual you are exempt here by having tested from the top end i.e. PXG and the lesser brands such as Benross and always given an accurate review. Now we have had some opposite views on PXG but the market has become almost a level field regarding cost. I would also acknowledge that your golf has improved by using PXG. Financially my budget cannot run to these higher prices and my age now wouldn't justify the long term cost so I bought some senior Benross whilst retaining my Cobras just in case. Guess what my game has improved particularly tempo. My argument is that here are two extremes of clubs and price that you gave very accurate and constructive reviews on. Only a few you tubers will review the bottom end..... badge snobbery. A bit like car programmes. We all seem to miss the point that it's all about enjoyment price and brand is irrelevant. Just because a person's review isn't what you expected doesn't make it dishonest and why w ould they want to be .They would soon get found out. Sorry for the long preamble but I was just trying to be honest !!! Cheers and thanks Andy.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Great feedback David, although I would say my game has improved due to playing so much and little to do with any brand!

[@davidleigh2573]

@@TheAverageGolfer Fair enough Andy but I do recall you saying how your striking of the ball had improved with the PXGs. But if that's the case then surely the answer is not to buy clubs but play more golf and use what you've got. Seems like between us we've solved the honest review problem ... Play more golf and forget about clubs.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

​@@davidleigh2573 I think thats the point David, I play for enjoyment not improvement, but do I think I would be performing as good with my old MP5's.....no I dont.

[@kylesinclair203]

It’s all about forgiveness, hu? How good are the bad swings gonna be??? The newer technology sticks are just better in that department, IMO. In the end, as long as we can go out & have fun, then it’s all good!

[@steveduke1076]

I like your reviews. I really enjoyed the wilson D300 review. I think they get neglected in the rush for the big names yet they make excellent clubs and are always worth a look. I would like you to include a high handicapper with some reviews just to get a different take on clubs.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

I agree but its having someone available to film

[@alan4golf]

I believe that reviews should only be used as a recommendation to try , everyone should make up they're own minds when they go for a custom fit , not every club is suited to every player , so it is down to personal preference

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Yes agree

[@wayneowens1649]

Question why is everyone comparing P790 against HMB but nobody is comparing T200 v P790 which have basically the same lofts

[@thehairygolfer]

I'll answer the question of the title before I enjoy the video. Nobody makes bad clubs and anybody can get the correct shaft fitted for them to make any head work. So it's down to how the club looks to your own eye, perhaps sound and feel added in. Colour too. So I'm going to say that the vast majority of club testers are unbiased. Even in a head to head they will be honest and say this one is a fraction longer but I like the look of the other one. On the whole the people I watch are honest. I don't think there is huge amounts of money changing hands for a biased review. 99.99% honest. I'll add that I enjoy your reviews probably more than watching a Pro hammer a driver 330 yards into a tv screen. You are one of us average golfers so your views are more useful.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Logical feedback and thanks

[@MrAbe8]

Whats your thought on custom fitting is bollox its all about custom build!?

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Not sure I understand what custom build is?

[@MrAbe8]

@@TheAverageGolfer According to a golf manufacturer its about custom build!

[@martynedwards1493]

All channels/reviewers I follow are Scratch/Pro skill set. They can hit pretty much everything well so for them it tends to be just about the numbers. Higher handicap guys get more from the Average golfer reviews

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Cheers Martyn

[@Adrian-yv8sy]

i think all clubs now are so good its hard to have a negative thing to say about them other than personal preferences - colour, shape, sound etc - like you didn't like the honma driver but that doesn't mean its a bad club, i might love it and think what the best reviewers do is state this that they might not like or get on with club for whatever reason but for you to still go out and try it yourself

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Very rational and how it should be

[@darrenmiller3171]

Integrity and income is a political question with power thrown into the mix, I watch reviews and feel that you and many others including Mr Crossfield are totaly honest. Keep up the good work Andy.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Darren Miller great comment Darren

[@golfingCitizen]

Are those shoes G4? Any good?

[@duffymoon5912]

I’ve never doubted your reviews Andy. There are other KZbin reviewers who have equipment deals and I don’t doubt their integrity either. I think, in general, if people started to doubt the honesty of a reviewer they’d stop trusting their content and they’d quickly stop watching and unsubscribe. They know that.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Very good point

[@alanterry3707]

I think the divot question was always about a “sand-filled” divot. Some consider that GUR and subject to free relief. Not quite the same as relief from all divots. Love the content and course vlogs. Lew is fantastic.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

There was no mention in the question Alan - I would agree with you on that situation

[@ThePNWRiderWA]

No. By and large they always give good reviews. That’s the only way they get free stuff. I like that your honest you list your sponsors which is great. I was the GM for a motorcycle boot company until I retired. I used to get proposals all the time for free gear or asking for money to do a positive review. They don’t even pretend they flat out say they will like the product they have so many users and are a major “ influencer “ and of course they will give a great review. Most then want a special link that they get a kickback on each sale. I did use youtube. I did sponsor riders with gear and $$$. However I picked them out based on honestly and integrity. I wanted the product to stand on its own quality

[@TheAverageGolfer]

it happens in most industries

[@richardc6932]

I have stopped watching KZbin reviews on golf clubs. The opinion expressed by the reviewer is solely that, his opinion. Opinions vary from reviewer to reviewer. If you see a club and like the looks of it, go and try it with a proper fitter, not someone looking to push the club as a paid or compensated individual. I found my set, got fitted and am happy with Mizuno irons. I don’t change equipment like socks and I won’t wear them out any time soon. I can’t say that about my G400 SFT.

[@oldfoggie123]

I think you should question the honesty of the manufacturers rather than reviewers!...one thing that really annoys me is the fact that they claim their irons are "Forged".....a forged club is made from a solid lump of metal...not hollow.not with tungsten weights and not with a welded on face!

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Yes I would agree with that Ken

[@robertcourt8593]

Anyone who spends a lot of money on something on someone else's say so is a fool! Product reviews are entertainment and I take them largely with a pinch of salt. Interestingly the sponsored golfers reviews are the most entertaining on youtube in my opinion. The message from them always seems to be the same. most of the tech is just marketing spiel and If it looks good, feels good and sounds good, then get fitted for it.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

thats fair comment

[@justinstephenson9360]

Where reviews are concerned never trust a single review and always look at the review methodology. I do trust Crossfield, Shiels, the Average Golfer, Finchy, TXG (there are others). I understand the point about bias but if the reviews are done using GC Quad or Trackman (and all good reviews are) and therefore can be compared to other reviews by the same person any bias is reasonably obvious to spot.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Really good point Justin

[@anthonyfoster5307]

I think the reason why negativity is applauded IMO is that people due to social media find it far easier to criticise the faceless person. I still try to imagine what I would say if I was face to face with someone I was not in total agreement with. It seems to be a dying art. I am by no means perfect and don't always get it right. But some people are looking for things to criticise on social media.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

if only more had your attitude

[@petermartinaitis8166]

Andy with regards to club reviews shouldn't all the bad shots be left in the data to give a more honest review. So often we see reviewers say I'll just take these bad shots out which can make any product look better.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

I am not sure who does this but yes I would agree that is wrong with one exception to that, there have been times when I have hit a shank or duffed a shot, I would remove this because it would have an affect on results which would be very misleading data

[@petermartinaitis8166]

Quite a few reviewers do remove bad strikes but totally agree with removing shanks and duffed shots.

[@briantreadwell2206]

Intergrity - I wouldn’t challenge any reviewer - you either follow them or you don’t I think if a reviewer declares their interest then the viewer has all of the information and can form their own view about the product I like product reviews but I’d never buy based solely on them - club fitting is absolutely key - I’d never buy any club without a fitting now Like the v-log and format

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Great viewpoint

[@DoubleBogeyHal]

Honest reviews of clubs still has to be taken with an eye of caution as we all have different swings and feel. What works great for one person will not necessarily work for everyone. Plenty of good clubs out there that have high customer reviews, but you always find some comments about how those people hated the thing. All you should do is use the reviews as a way to narrow your field down for your own testing. I'm almost always happier with a product that I throughly researched and tested then buying the next new hot selling product. (Though I've been guilty of impulse buying myself a time or two)

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Yeah totally agree Hal

[@krabboy22]

Looks like some great golf being played there Andy? I like all your Reviews, if you dont get on with a club you say so. I loved your review of the Epic Forged clubs. Man they hit like a dream!!!

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Lewis played well throughout, I got going after the 4th and good from then on in, Thanks for comments

[@lindarixon6461]

All you can do is be honest, not everything is the same for different people. If they have a problem they should test them and not discredit others.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Thats a valid point

[@jpugolf1727]

Thanks for this vlog Andy and Lou. Gullen #2 looks great and will definitely give it ago if o get up there. Thanks for your answer to my question on divots I take your point , it can be abused. My thoughts are.. you would have to get playing partners to agree it's in a divot . Similar to relief from casual water? Relief would be a drop with in 1 club length . Your club reviews are always honest. And long my they continue 👍

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Yes I like that solution John.

[@ybach64]

Do you think you would have had the same response if you’d have chosen to put Wilson irons in your bag? Is the green eyed monster provoking these ridiculous responses?

[@TheAverageGolfer]

You have it spot on!

[@quentindohnt]

Been a while since you reviewed any putters. Old vs new perhaps ? Keep up the good honest content too, BTW.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

your right, let me think

[@chrislewis7]

Most guys I follow on KZbin are either sponsored by an OEM or definitely have closer ties to one than any other but it doesn't worry me. I would never buy a club on the back of a single review and the 'biases' whether unconscious or conscious even themselves out across reviewers. Like you said in the video there are no bad clubs these days; it's just that some suit an individual better than others. The biggest problem I have with some reviewers is that they don't review clubs in a way that is relevant to how that club will be used. If they are reviewing bladed players irons fair enough rip the 6 iron 200+ yards. But what is the point of a scratch golfer smashing a club aimed at a 20+ handicapper who would struggle to hit it much over 160? The club (probably) reacts very different at different club speeds and with less consistent strikes. If they don't bring in someone more appropriate to the club to help on the review they should at least crank back the swing speed. Matty on TXG does this some times I wish others would. The Average Golfer is great but if like in this video you are hitting your drives 300 yards you may need to bring in someone a bit more 'average' to stay relevant to me :-)

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Great feedback

[@geordietoonforlife.1155]

Andy my own take on the comments you received on the Honma driver are there are not many if any reviews where the clubs, drivers, or irons get Let’s say average praise at best hence why I assume lots of people said they liked your honest review only because it’s rare, and Lou is right not many manufacturers make poor clubs so the reviews tend too be good and that’s not a criticism it’s a fact it will boil down too looks, performance, and cost if someone decides too try whatever club they are after. As for you comment on a certain pro who has a club endorsement I honestly believe he gives a honest review on other clubs many might disagree but I’ve seen many of his videos and he gives them as much praise as his own brand (Titleist 😂) that’s just for the record, also probably the biggest KZbin pro he had a sponsorship with a certain company on rangefinders and he doesn’t come in for as much stick as the other pro we are on about, and again I believe him on his views but that doesn’t mean I would buy that particular rangefinder I would test it for myself or ask my pals if that’s what I needed, so all in all people should be wise enough too test for themselves whatever they are looking for and not buy it because Mr X a pro or amateur golfer says it’s brilliant that’s my honest opinion on both questions. Enjoyable video Andy beautiful course a bit chilly and windy by the looks of it but it’s still a great day out on the links.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

I agree but by simply being associated with a brand I think it opens you up to questioning and why it wouldnt be for me. The only other point I would make and I dont know the answer.....has there been any negativity towards any Titleist product on Mark's channel? Thats where I would find it compromising

[@geordietoonforlife.1155]

The Average Golfer That’s a great question and too be fair your the first I know of giving a club or brand a average score, but Andy that’s all the viewer wants a honest opinion nothing more then it’s up to the individual too try it out, anyway people trust you and that’s the highest praise you can get, so well done just keep the reporting truthful in your opinion and your channel will grow and grow.

[@richardwotherspoon7673]

Playing it tomorrow 🐝🐝🐝🐝

[@simongiguere8794]

How could we make the game shorter ?

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Great question

[@superduperawesome6858]

On reflection, you're in my top five golf based channels (actually its more like joint top five - no particular favourite). I don't personally like club reviews that go into distance, spin, launch etc because thats all down to the person hitting the ball (and I'm not sure anyone who does it has any semblance of constant striking - of the ones I watch anyway), what I do like is:- here is the new club from ****, this is what's new, these are the club specs, level of player might benefit from it, what shafts are available, and most importantly how much they cost. (Amazes me how many reviews never mention cost😵) Keep up the good work - any chance of more course vlogs? One a month, even? Edit : nothing wrong with reviewer giving personal view ... Love it, don't like it, keep pulling it, too much offset, not worth the money, perhaps even giving it: should you buy it, consider it, shortlist it, run a mile, etc 👍😂

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Great feedback and glad to make the list!

[@BogeyBrothas]

Mabe we should add a relaxing golf vid to our channel ... lol ours are too hyper

[@TheAverageGolfer]

we just chill

[@kimhannemann]

I understand what you are saying about sponsored YTs that review clubs, and I know to whom you may be referring, but to me it seems that he/they bend over backward to show everything involved in the review, and having done so the question of integrity is far less an issue. (I think some of those criticisms may reflect views on personality rather than integrity.) Just because a review is negative doesn't mean it's "honest" any more than a positive review suggests dishonesty or a lack of honesty. I think most of the major club reviewers try to be honest and fair whether or not they receive benefits, because their survival as reviewers depends on their reputation.

[@garysmith6994]

🤓 some reviews are more commercials than objective ones (lets get stuck in) 🤓

[@TheAverageGolfer]

hahaha

I find certain reviewers who shall remain nameless to be slightly biased. I find The Average Golfer reviews totally impartial and very very revealing.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Then thank you

[@garysmith6994]

Good match

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Cheers Gary

[@MrAbe8]

To be fair to that said person i haven't watched any of of his reviews that are different from his reviews before his sponsorship..

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Yes and I agree with that but my point was it opens you up to questioning regarding your biased? does that make sense?

[@MrAbe8]

@@TheAverageGolfer i get the point mate 👍

[@gtsgolf9410]

@@TheAverageGolfer have to agree with mrabe8

[@duffymoon5912]

You’re anything but boring Andy. Love your content.

[@S.forbes]

What evidence do you have that suggests that Mark crossfield is giving biased club reviews. From what I have seen before and after the Titelist sponsorship he gives his opinion based on performance and data/numbers.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

S.Forbes I never suggested he was biased, listen again

[@S.forbes]

@@TheAverageGolfer If that is the case what exactly did you mean by " If you have a sponsorship you shouldn't do club reviews"?

[@TheAverageGolfer]

@@S.forbes For the same reason, I am currently sponsored by a golf ball manufacturer and no longer do golf ball reviews, its not a case of questioning an individual its about questioning human nature and I feel there is a conflict for me to review golf balls when being paid by one manufacturer, surely that seems logical?

[@S.forbes]

@@TheAverageGolfer Yeah I understand what you are saying. It would seem logical for that to be the case. I was very sceptical too when I first heard about the sponsorship but after watching his reviews he simply tests the product and gives his opinion the same as every other reviewer. I have not seen anything that relatates to bias or being more on side with Titelist. To me more of the problem is people's feelings on the subject rather than what is actually happening.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

@@S.forbes I think again I would agree, its about perception and thats why personally I would prefer not to be 'contracted' to a brand

[@johnlawson2067]

The Courses from Edinburgh, where I live, down the East Coast to North Berwick/Dunbar take some beating Andy, eh ?. Another good video mate.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

You know I love this area John and not just the golf

[@paulmcgee1867]

Having to play from divets should encourage players to repair them

[@Jjwalways70]

You have to watch reviews objectively Andy , something that. Suites your eye and feel may be horrible for Lewis for example , and at what level the person is playing , I love watching reviews to see what’s new , there are some good reviewers that are honest, you are one mark crossefield reviews honestly even through he’s sponsored by Titleist , and no two people will like the same things , you didn’t like the Honma driver but you didn’t really get fitted properly for it with a shaft that suites you , maybe it might have been better in our eyes , but you said what you thought , and that’s ok, this pxg thing is out of control , they a good clubs fact , I have a set of pxg irons , I play pxg woods and Miura irons , my wife stole the pxgs 🤣🤣, I have watched you review many clubs and you always give an honest review, there’s always going to be someone complaining , let them , your viewers watch you for a reason 👍🏻 keep up the great work

[@martynedwards1493]

Why does everyone want to knock PXG? You don’t have to buy them!

[@kylesinclair203]

Martyn Edwards - I agree. 👍

[@martynedwards1493]

John Downs based on?

[@twinkedits8095]

Your reviews are bang on Andy👍👍 enjoy em a lot... I do think there is some bias reviews out there of course there would be money talks££££..... TBH I know who they are so don't watch 👍 keep up the honest work your channel should and does resonate with all the AVG golfers out there .. and Lewis bang on love him on this channel ... Can you do a swing analysis or lesson with Lewis cheers

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Thanks for comments, I might give Lew the pleasure of ripping into y swing!

[@FunkmeisterOfSedgley]

Parfield is the most honest and best club reviewer on KZbin. So he's sponsored by Titliest, what's the problem? He only agreed to go with them so he could retain a completely open and honest opinion on all products and manufacturers.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Not sure I understand how 'going with them' allowed he to retain and open and honest opinion? Surely he could do that without them?

[@FunkmeisterOfSedgley]

@@TheAverageGolfer Andy, you would say you are open and honest, correct? So why can't Mark be? You are both sponsored by manufacturers. I don't doubt your integrity, so why do you doubt Mark's?

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Robin Beach first of all I don’t doubt his integrity, I just don’t think you should be contracted to a manufacturer and review competitors products? Hence the reason since my partnership with Seed I haven’t reviewed golf balls 👍

[@FunkmeisterOfSedgley]

@@TheAverageGolfer if you saw Mark's original vid, when he first became sponsored, he emphasised the point that he would not be gagged in anyway about praising other manufactureres products. He had to retain his editorial neutrality, or he would not have signed the contract. He recently reviewd the new 'rusty' TM wedge and told the world how lovely it looked and how yes, he could game it. Seems to prove my point totally. The massive bonus Mark, and in turn, the viewer has reaped from this venture with Titliest, is the access Mark has had to the Titliest staff players on the range. Some of this has been remarkable viewing.

[@robmccoll1160]

I've never watched a review that has left me questioning the integrity of the reviewer. I don't watch Crossfield as i find his style annoying but agree that as he is sponsored he shouldn't be doing club reviews. I enjoy club reviews from "Team Average" as i can relate to them more in relation to my own swing/ability same goes for any other channel that uses normal people for club reviews. Great video looking forward to the next one

[@TheAverageGolfer]

good points Rob

[@laughinggravyuk]

Andy, you say you don't like people questioning your integrity, which is understandable, but you did effectively the same thing when you question someone being sponsored and whether they are still able to give honest opinions. Seems a little double standardy, to be honest.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

I think the fact I am supported by Seed Golf Balls and choose not to review golf balls anymore suggests to me that I practice what I preach and far from double standards?

[@laughinggravyuk]

@@TheAverageGolfer No, that is legitimate, but that wasnt exactly my point. Im saying you implied someone else couldnt be impartial, when you had just said that you got annoyed by people questioning your impartiality. You did to someone else what you hate being done to you... thats all. Personally, I wouldnt question your ball reviews if you did them because you are involved with Seed, but that was your choice to make.

[@bund440]

You say you don’t like your integrity being challenged, but didn’t you just challenge Mark Crossfields integrity.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

I dont like mine being questioned as I am not in a commercial partnership with a brand, if I was I would accept it would be questioned, simple really?

[@petermartinaitis8166]

Andy surely your partnership with Seed would make it difficult for you to give a bad review?

[@TheAverageGolfer]

@@petermartinaitis8166 Yes my exact point which is why I have never since reviewed a golf ball.

[@simongiguere8794]

I see more and more endorsement from golf youtuber. So they have chosen a brand to promote. It's probably hard for them to say bad things about the company. But something money talk 😃

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Yes I agree Simon

[@paulbear.]

Always play the course and not the man!

[@TheAverageGolfer]

great advice

[@hudsonrilke]

Yep like the style of vid. I wouldn’t call it dishonest, just a natural bias

[@TheAverageGolfer]

glad you enjoyed

[@TopblokeGolf]

No.end of.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

you dont seem sure

[@garysmith70]

And your the best dressed average golfer out there you must have more shoes than you wife!!!! If your a size 9 please consider me for your cast offs hehehe....Now then I`ve been honest with everything I`ve said towards your channel over the years It`s not all been nice but on a whole it`s been very positive. The reviews you do are some of the best out there.Infact your a youtube golf top 3 reviewer in my opinion even though your golf swing resembles a chimp having an epileptic fit ;-) Perhaps you could review some club fitting places Like turn up for a club fitting and give an honest review of the companies services or even go in under cover. I have lots of ideas for youtube content regarding golf that isn`t being done. And, I think people like the honest negative reviews because often reviewers keep the reviews sweet to keep the Manufacter`s sweet for the free send outs Crossfield pissed off TM and no review gear for him anymore. ANyways keep your reviews coming Always looking for your next vid and of course YNWA

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Favourite comment - my swing is like a chimp having a fit

[@garysmith70]

@@TheAverageGolfer Only a bit of light hearted humour...Now what about those golf shoes.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

@@garysmith70 There is a story about those shoes and assuming the wife isnt reading this......I left mine at home and had to buy a new pair from Gullane pro shop

[@Jhopewell]

Questioning your integrity is a low blow, and I will say that seeing some negativity is refreshing however I can't help but think 'honesty' is the wrong concept. Misleading maybe? Slating a company has not fared well for other individuals before (although we may only have seen half a story), but I definitely read into what is not said in most content. I am not a fan of the majority of reviews that compare club to club, but I want to know what the club in question could do in my hands before I go have a hit myself. Club A in shaft B may be right for me, even if one didn't perform as well. I know most reviewers stress the importance of fitting, but it's still an opinion based on that person's abilities and tendencies with a stock offering. Imagine comparing spectacles based on style, visibility and how devilishly handsome they could make you? As ridiculous as it is, it's entirely subjective to the individual and a lot of people are going to be really disappointed they aren't turning heads like Jude Law with an off the shelf product. I'm by no means saying you're doing it wrong as I love your content, keep it up! As a gear junkie, I feel that TXG are doing it right, but I may be the minority. I acknowledge that content is driven by the consumer and that they go nuts for reviews. 🤷‍♂️