Gunday Brunch 135: The Taurus 327 Defender TORO

[@nunyobuisniz713]

I am glad to see taurus come out with a 3" version of their 327. I really like my 2" version, and just picked up the 3" 905 with the bobbed hammer. This looks like a fantastic improvement on both models.

[@DanTheWolfman]

How do you like the look and black cerekoted finish on the 905? numbers have thinned out and prices went higher on them. Needs some Rosewood grips on it

[@nunyobuisniz713]

@@DanTheWolfman I added rosewood and faux mother of pearl grips in the same shape as the grips that came with it from premium gun grips and a black BK grip adaptor to fill in the space between the trigger guard and the grip. This setup is fantastically smooth to shoot.

[@DanTheWolfman]

@nunyobuisniz713 that sounds awesome congrats bet it looks great. Is the POI on at like 10 yards?

[@troyivey94]

So glad this has come out. I love the Ruger SP101. Can't find it anywhere. I will be getting this very soon.

[@davidknutson7147]

Picked one up last week, you aren’t kidding, this thing is a shooter!

[@Icarianbrother]

A three inch barrel 8 shot .327 Federal Magnum in a Model 82 size revolver would sell like hotcakes. A Novak rear sight, pinned tritium front sight and ported barrel would make it even better.

[@327Federal]

A 10 Shot 327 Fed Mag Revolver would sell out immediately. People would pay a ton of money for a 10 Shot Center Fire Revolver.

[@Icarianbrother]

@@327Federal They could call it "The Nightstander".

[@PanarchyTheater]

We're all waiting for that revolver I think.

[@Gieszkanne]

@@327Federal The N frame handle 8 shots of 357 so with 327 9 shot would be possible but not 10 and I dont think that they would sell.

[@Gieszkanne]

The M82 hold only 6 of .38 How should 8 go in there? .327 is 8mm while .38 is 9mm so its just 1mm smaller. The M66 holds 7 there 8 shots could work.

[@kevingood348]

I got my hands on it Sunday at Great American Outdoor show in Pa. Love the 327,will be getting this. Hoping for holster support

[@Gunday_Brunch]

There is loads of holster support already! This one fits the same holsters as the 856 TORO which is supported by Galco, Comp-Tac, Phlster, and Harry Holsters

[@Dgoff11]

Craft hosters!!

[@0214Bub]

Will the Holosun red dots work with the Toro models? I came across a couple of comments they don’t have enough elevation adjustment to zero. It’s good to see the 32 stuff getting some attention.

[@Gunday_Brunch]

There is a shim that makes them work on the 38/357 models, and they should work just fine on this gun because the bullet trajectory is much flatter

[@MT_Napa]

I would not be heartbroken if my broken 856 TORO came back as a 327 TORO. 😂

[@nelhead4807]

I’ve been waiting on this model and can’t wait to to get one now.

[@davidkachel]

There is one on Gunbroker. There were two, but one is now mine. Expect a horrible DA trigger pull, and since these guns are DA only, that means, expect no trigger pull, at all! You will have to do some work to it.

[@crushthequarter6863]

How does the 3 inch version and 2 inch version compare in shooting? Is the action/trigger much different or the same? Is Taurus considering making a 3 inch DA/SA with the Hammer in the 327 version?

[@TheOfficialCaseMade]

I emailed Taurus asking if they planned to make a DASA 327 Toro... "sorry, we can't disclose product development, please check our website for updates". Completely useless 🤷‍♂️

[@xmrplayboy9753]

They had no intention of being "useful" to you.

[@CyborgZeta]

I like the Taurus 327, so I'm planning to get one of these to complement it in the future. While I do like .32 H&R best, I think .327 Federal Hydra-Shoks are very controllable in the Taurus 327.

[@jpb1231000]

DAMN.... I've been lusting this ALL NITE..... Till I found out you "NEUTERED THE HAMMER"!!! It's SO DAMN EASY.... I want a 3 Inch DA/SA revolver J frame size with decent sights ... The Toro thing works for the sights I guess but BOBBED HAMMER? No one can do it it seems ... Not RUGER, Taurus, S&W Charter Arms Not a 2 inch, not a 4.2 inch RUGER or a 3 inch SP 101 w/gutters and a ramp but a 3 inch 327 Fed with good sights!!!

[@Gunday_Brunch]

Bobbed hammers are objectively better

[@jpb1231000]

@@Gunday_BrunchI can NEUTER myself!!! I want a choice DA or SA in a revolver!! TAURUS could make a removable Spur ... Like with a QD thang .... If ya'll at TAURUS use it I get a cut!!! Maybe Taurus could sell Hammers on website with spurs?

[@jeremywilson15147]

​@@Gunday_Brunch letting customers have the option to decide for themselves is objectively better, and undoubtedly more American.

[@TheOfficialCaseMade]

Why in God's name would Taurus make the 2" model DASA and the 3" gun WITH A RED DOT not have a spurred hammer??? Complete oversight on Taurus to not offer a DASA variant.

[@philp411]

Speer makes a 100 gr Gold Dot in 327FM. Might be worth a look - if you want the blast and recoil over an HR or Long.

[@PhycoKrusk]

"It's the year of the 32." Tell me about it! Anytime my local shops get a 32 in stock, it's gone before I can even think about squaring away the money to grab it. A Kel-Tec 32 came in, and it was there for 8 hours. That's all.

[@michaelgraham8854]

I want one for the range with a hammer 6shots in 9mm with 3 inch barrel . Any chance Taurus will make that? I love my 856.

[@Beardman770]

Yes bobbed hammer!! When are we getting bobbed hammers on the 22lr & 22mag 942 Revolvers?

[@kennethcarden5084]

And when can we get bobbed hammers on the 327 2 inch?

[@jpb1231000]

When you go to Harbor Freight and buy a grinder!

[@Gieszkanne]

@@jpb1231000 Same with all the people that complained about Glocks finger grooves. The easiest self made mod you could make.

[@MartinVeneroso]

I wish they had left the hammer un-bobbed, or at least had that as an option. I don't mind disagreeing with Caleb's superior experience on this point.

[@rbm6184]

@MartinVeneroso There should be a spur hammer version for sure. He is right that folks want hammer spurs. The message that he fails to get from the majority of folks buying "normal" hammer spurs are that folks want that single action ability to make more precise shots at longer ranges. But he doesn't get that. Yes double action will be used the most but when a hammer is bobbed that single action ability is gone. DAO double action only pistols are close range only and just don't effectively have that longer shot ability.

[@jpb1231000]

If I want to Neuter my gun, I got a Grinder!!!

[@jeremywilson15147]

He's not wrong when he says "bobbed hammers are better for defensive revolvers"... but he's also not wrong when he says "it's America, don't use optics if you don't want them", and that's the spirit that needs to be applied to the hammer. Regardless of what any one person thinks is "best", customers want options. I don't want the damn gun for defensive use, I want it as a range toy. Bobbed hammer is a deal breaker for me, but what's worse is the attitude towards any customer who wants the spur.

[@rbm6184]

@@jeremywilson15147Yes it depends on the purpose of the gun. Everything has it place. This is American freedom and folks can do what they want whether its practical or not. More options are always better for everyone whether they need them or want them or not. More variety is always better.

[@davidkachel]

It's not just a bobbed hammer. The internals are also incapable of using a single-double action hammer.

[@Green_Light_tactical]

What about the charter arms or the Ruger .32 H&R magnum?

[@Gieszkanne]

What is the question?

[@ianvoight7954]

Ultra lite model 85 version please !!!!

[@robertvitrano3757]

I was thinking that an 8 shot tracker model would be really cool in 327 mag, maybe a 3 inch model but a 4 inch would be okay.

[@justme294]

I want to see it here in California! With the hammer in the 605. yes, with a hammer.

[@TheOfficialCaseMade]

Can you still shoot this in single action by catching the hammer while pulling the trigger, or has SA been completely disabled? I'd love to be able to at least do that or throw in a spurred hammer if Taurus won't give us the damned option.

[@Gunday_Brunch]

SA has been completely removed on this gun, as it should be

[@TheOfficialCaseMade]

@@Gunday_Brunch That sucks, hopefully they offer a variant with SA. Not sure why they would offer the 2" 327 with a hammer and make the larger one DA only, kinda backwards IMO.

[@SWMissouriOutdoors]

I'd probably disassemble my 856 Defender and swap the hammer and trigger, problem solved lol. But totaly agree it should be an option. Having a bobbed hammer to reduce snagging and then add a big honking red dot kinda defeats the purpose... IMHO

[@codyworley5623]

Just ordered the 327 toro ❤❤ cant wait to get my hands on it. My man, Santa wish list is a 327 k frame size revolver with 8+ or more. Just saying. Hint hint Taurus

[@jeremywilson15147]

He's not wrong when he says "bobbed hammers are better for defensive revolvers"... but he's also not wrong when he says "it's America, don't use optics if you don't want them", and that's the spirit that needs to be applied to the hammer. Regardless of what any one person thinks is "best", customers want options. I don't want the damn gun for defensive use, I want it as a range toy. Bobbed hammer is a deal breaker for me, but what's worse is the attitude towards any customer who wants the spur.

[@sycamorebacker1]

Yes, I want hammers too. There is NOTHING wrong with that.

[@Gieszkanne]

You can just buy an additional regular hammer and exchange it.

[@Gieszkanne]

Good informative video. I didnt understood why it hold only 6 if the 856 hold 6 in .38 special. But anyhow if its still bigger than a j frame the selling point of 1 round more is missing a bit. The only one who offer 7 shot .32 H&R at the moment is Charter Arms. A S&W k frame with 7 shots would be great but I dont see this coming. Ruger once offered a GP100 with 7 shots in 327 but as a L frame size it should hold 8.

[@Gunday_Brunch]

It’s the same size as a 3 inch J-frame, and the cylinder is slightly smaller than a 856

[@Hausershawn]

I want the 856 toro but a concealed hammer version

[@ThePackeagle]

I have some 104-grain .327 HST. It does exist. Is this your recommendation even without testing?

[@donaldkurtz910]

Like it, but I wish Taurus would be more specific on what optic mounts are compatible with this. Is it RMR, RMRsc, Holodeck K? Got RMR to try and it didn't fit.

[@Gunday_Brunch]

I mean we very clearly state RMSC and Holosun K in our marketing, including this video

[@donaldkurtz910]

@@Gunday_Brunch Thanks, sorry I missed it, had been searching for a few days trying to find something definitive. The documentation in the box only said optic ready base plate.

[@Gunday_Brunch]

No worries!

[@Dgoff11]

I have a question can you champer the cylinder?

[@Lordestroyer]

Just bought one!

[@mightystreaming933]

no hammer no buy

[@22busy43]

Now if I could just find one.

[@quinnmclaughlin7537]

I EDC a Security-380 and had my eye on .32(7)/.380 since I started EDC 5 yrs ago, I would buy Both of those revolvers but the configurations are limited, I'm just not interested, give me a hammered 3" with a Hi-vis front site, just like I can get in the 856 I'd even go for a hammered, gutter, 3" .327 but I do agree, that 3-finger Hogue grip is the best, if not necessary

[@Godscaliber1911]

People that want a sub 25oz .357 with one less round than a .38 of the same size and weight are the exact people who would want a hammer on a defensive revolver lmao

[@thorshammer5134]

I disagree. The 357 in the 3” with optic is about the perfect lightweight sidearm when bow hunting or light through hiking in mountains. The 3” brings back a substantial amount of ballistics, shoot-ability, packs easy and light, and if running proper ammo is capable of defense against any creature outside of Alaska. Underwood 357 hardcast get about 600ft lbs of energy out of the small 3” barrel and drive deep. Switch to 158 grain semi wad cutters for edc, the 1 round isn’t making a difference in most circumstances and if you are making the capacity argument then you aren’t carrying a revolver most likely. Still a great edc option due to versatility. There is a big difference between 38 and 357 even in a 2” barrel. About 200ft lbs of energy for most ammo options. A few are outliers buffalo bore and underwood. I carry Kieth 158 grain +p lead semi wad cutters in my 38. They get around 400 ft lbs of energy out of the 1.8” 442. Great ballistics with a proven history of 1 shot stops in police use. Accurate out to 25 yards. Every one thinks differently and has their own opinions. I do agree anyone who wants a hammer for self defense is just wrong and doesn’t have training or experience. But for a range toy it’s different. Options are good.

[@SWMissouriOutdoors]

Im not seeing how a hammer spur is gonna snagging more than a big red dot hanging on the top... you can train around either one. Maybe even easier with the hammer spur by thumb over hammer draw technique.

[@Godscaliber1911]

@@SWMissouriOutdoors As the name spur would imply, it’s a much sharper angle that will definitely hook on clothing much more than a red dot unless you cover the spur with your thumb.

[@kenmcclain1499]

I think you should have a choice between a hammer or a bobbed hammer.

[@Gieszkanne]

You have one. Buy this and additional a regular hammer.

[@curtshelp6170]

I have a 327 federal SP101 with the 3.18 inch barrel and it pushes the 104 gr HST to 1330 and the weight of it holds it down to comfortable level. I don't like that people are compromise their gun choice to buy a small gun and then hang dot sites, lights and lasers, making it bigger than a real size gun and much more prone to snags. I prefer a bigger gun with good night sights and hundreds in my pocket. or the smallest practical gun without the tech hanging off of it.

[@davidkachel]

Fourth brand new unacceptable Taurus revolver in a row, received just two days ago. I bought the very gun you presented here, most specifically for the caliber. In fact, I just happened to also buy the new RP63 Rossi the week before. The RP63 is most definitely a better gun. (To whatever degree Rossi remains "separate" from Taurus, they should remain so distanced.) Taurus cannot possibly represent a potential good influence for them. I own two Rossis now, both excellent, after trigger improvement. Both new guns needed trigger work. The Rossi was typically too heavy, but succumbed to better springs. The Taurus was ridiculously too heavy. No, wait... my previous three Taurus revolvers were ridiculously heavy. The 327 TORO went well beyond ridiculous, all the way to utterly inexcusable. In slow DA pull, one chamber simply refused to fire, at all. The other five would fire, but were simply unusable! This TORO was an out-of-the-box joke in DA! Why does Taurus use such absurdly heavy springs??!!! Why does your quality control continue to remain (all these years) so horrible?!!! You have some good ideas, but your execution absolutely STINKS!!! And I know you are test firing only a single chamber, instead of all of them. And probably not in DA, either. Your guns are severely substandard and the really sad thing is, they don't have to be. The designs are good, save for the really stupid idea of eliminating the traditional S&W style trigger return mechanism. Taurus needs to clean up their act!!!

[@Gunday_Brunch]

Grow stronger

[@davidkachel]

@@Gunday_Brunch Yeah, you definitely work for Taurus. That IS their attitude!

[@Gunday_Brunch]

This is the official Gunday Brunch account, and doesn’t represent the opinion of Taurus USA You should still grow stronger

[@davidkachel]

@@Gunday_Brunch The very response I would expect.

[@jamienance8821]

Ok I’m going to be the nerd here but how about a shrouded hammer version. I know they are ugly but it’s an endearing ugly when you can have a snag free da/sa.

[@freedomwon2004]

A regular hammer, adjustable sights and 3 inch barrel in .327 magnum....Please and thank you

[@troybartlett4584]

Reload!

[@ChaohsiangChen]

Did I just see you on nutnfancy channel?

[@Gunday_Brunch]

Yes you did

[@ronparks7516]

Bob the hammer and then put an optic on it??? 3" barrel and a 327 Federal Magnum are winners.

[@danr4746]

Can you get me a little discount? Cool gun

[@jamesbenson1809]

The low like count on this video might be because Gat Daily links to a private video. 😭 ...I liked the video but could you expand on the use cases?🤔 Seems like this is more than just a "fun gun".

[@rawmilkmike]

You took the test? Please stick to guns. Don't need to know who you voted for. Love the .327.

[@track-sv2us]

can i get that firearm with a full hammer

[@Gunday_Brunch]

Brother eewww