Hard Cast Wood Penetration Test- .45 ACP, 44 SPL,.38 SPL, 10mm, .357 Mag &.44 Mag

[@GunSam]

Trolls; only after defending myself from harassment did you start the whole "thumbs down" within seconds of my video releases. I get it, you're all entitled to your opinion, but staying notified with the bell alert and all of that specifically to get on my new videos for no other reason than to give a thumbs down, does not show poorly on me, it shows poorly on you. You know who you are and so do I. Maybe reflecting on the situation, and deciding to treat people with respect rather do nothing but give negative comments every video trying to start an argument would prevent you from being hidden from people's channels from commenting, like you are here. Just a suggestion for future enjoyment on KZbin.

[@sliptap]

Gave you a thumbs up and really appreciate your content. Not sure what the drama is here but hope you continue to produce videos for us. I get a lot of enjoyment (and also information) out of these so thank you again for all that you do.

[@GunSam]

@@sliptap Thanks. And to clarify, I do not block people who have different opinions, I do not block if they disagree and say "you should have done this or that" or "you did it all wrong". When that happens, all I do is I don't "love" the comment, the comments stay and no big deal. The people who get blocked, are 100% in a bracket of people that comment in this fashion, I will make up a fictional comment but it will illustrate it; "you are so dumb, why did you do it like that literally NO ONE thinks your tests are any good, moron". Those are the type of people who when I try to respond, I typically get the better on them and end the argument with "well you seem to be an expert, so will you please link your video of you doing it better than how I did it so we can compare". This makes people mad, and they keep going on and on and on, so I block them. Then these people keep me in their new video alerts just so they can know when to go on and click thumbs down. It's really sad, but my point is that them being hidden is from their behavior, not mine. I just want a peaceful experience here, and those who disagree and are good people understand how to give constructive criticism. Like, for me I rarely make negative, or should I say criticism comments, but when I feel the need to I do not start up like "you moron, like do you even know anything, are you dumb?" (like the way trolls troll me), but rather I know people put a lot of work into their videos so I try to be nice. The way I see it, even if someone's video is "bad", i'm not going to comment like there's no person behind that video. I comment knowing that a person probably spent hours making it, so it's their project and not much should be argued about what they put out unless there's a massive amount of misinformation. Which, I don't get it when people troll me for "misinformation", as my chronograph don't lie, my gun's reliability don't lie and the ballistic test don't lie lol.

[@sliptap]

@@GunSam Thank you for taking the time to further clarify your comment. I've done (minor compared to you) some video editing in the past and it isn't easy work. As you pointed out in a previous post, these 10 minute videos can take 10 hours of effort and it's insane how people don't realize the dedication it takes. Anyway, I can definitely see how that would be frustrating or annoying, so kudos to you for handling it better than most of us would. Your videos are very informative and provide a different perspective than the usual "clear ballistics gel tests". The best part is all of your tests are repeatable (like any good benchmark) and allows us to compare everything apples:apples. Thanks again for all that you do and I'm already looking forward to whatever you decide to put out next for us. Grateful that you decide to share your information with us.

[@mikeseier4449]

@@sliptap you are right, Sam, don't let these assholes stop you from making excellent videos.

[@GunSam]

@@sliptap This video was actually one of the easier videos. The setup for my normal videos requires 3 cameras and setting up everything right. So much checking of cameras and all of that. Then in editing, because I use 1080 at 60 frames, editing the chronograph and jug or not box camera into the main video is difficult, it's glitches bad so I have to rely on audio, lining up audio until both play my voice with no echo, that way I know the video is lined up, then mute the secondary audio. This video was just wood and one camera, very easy to film and edit. That's half the reason I do videos like this, they are easy and fun and easy to edit. But even so this easy video was an hour of disassembling the box and filming, and another couple hours on the PC to edit right because of lighting and the longest part was the text at the end into the video. But still, relatively easy compared to my normal videos.

[@kirkhiggins3044]

.357 Magnum higher velocity + less frontal area + hard cast = flying ice pick. Great video Sam.

[@GunSam]

Thanks.

[@JeffreyCotle]

You have the same thing I had with my Glock. It was 357 sig. I carried it for 10 years of law enforcement.. it gave a lot of trouble. It has to go back to the armory 3 times. I've retired. Now I carry something I trust. My Colt 1911. It's been flawless for at least 1000 rnds. No malfunction ever..

[@GunSam]

I use my M&P pistols all the time. Got two 5" ones in 9mm and .40 S&W/.357 Sig. A lot of people tell me my issues are me, but I find it funny that my M&P's run nearly flawlessly with everything. My M&P 9 has probably 5,000 rounds over 3 years, mostly HP ammo and not even one malfunction. My M&P .40 has probably 3,500 rounds, maybe 5-8 malfunctions in 3 years with a few different HP .40 S&W and .357 Sig ammo.

[@anthonytucker7705]

Anyone who says you can’t carry 357 mag for protection against bears needs to watch this! I love Buffalo Bore!

[@GunSam]

Yeah it's a good round!

[@mikethefarrier]

Ive killed 3 black bear with a S&W 627 in 357 mag.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

4" and greater barrel length required however. Run hard cast in a carbine length barrel and the velocity gains are VERY significant. Buffalo Bore rates that an additional 476 FPS going from 4" to a 18.5".

[@duster0066]

@@exothermal.sprocket I built a IMR4227 180 gr lead bear load. It does 1090 from a 4" revolver and 1550 from an 18" Marlin. But the powder charge is larger in the rifle only load. Because of ammo weight and costs the Marlin has replaced a 30-30 as my trail gun.

[@Gieszkanne]

@@mikethefarrier Why?

[@charlesphillips5906]

The score board was great to let us keep up with all the different loads

[@jasoncollier11]

I really like this gun channel. Demo ranch, Kentucky ballistic, 1shot, Paul Harrell, and now Sam all good gun channels. There’s a lot more but that’s just to name a few.

[@derralfields]

Since we are on the subject, what I like about your vids is you get right to the shootin'. No talking me to sleep. No bragging. Just shootin'!! I wouln't mind seeing all your guns lined up one day for fun.

[@Predalien195]

This test actually illustrates a point made by an article I saw back in 2010 about why the .357 Magnum for bear defense was better than the .44 Magnum. It put out less recoil and had deeper penetration, which penetrative ability is one of the most important aspects of bear defense as well as good hunting or wild game defense in general.

[@GunSam]

I also tested the 10mm, 44 mag and .357 mag Buffalo Bore in the past, did a simulated charge attack by having targets at 25, 15 and 7 yards. The .357 won.

[@Predalien195]

@@GunSam I can't say I'm surprised. .357 Mag was a big deal when it was first introduced, new powder, primer, and bullet technology has only made it better.

[@jimmyruger7529]

My dear Brother Sam, U will always have a few people that cant stand Truth and or success. I really enjoyed this video as I do all.

[@GunSam]

Thanks!

[@richardziemies8247]

Told ya,,,,,,, REVOLVERS ALWAYS RULE. ESPECIALLY .357 MAGNUM.

[@mkshffr4936]

The 36 caliber loads did quite well. That .357 projectile must be kind of a sweet spot.

[@varney2010]

It's always nice to see a calibre you own come out on top in tests like these. Ignorte the haters. Best wishes from the UK.

[@TravellingTrav1025]

Glad I own a Ruger GP-100 357 mag 4 inch😉

[@toddharrell9083]

Thank you for all that you do! I find all of your videos entertaining and informative. And, as busy as we all seem to be these days, the seemingly average 12 minutes of your videos are just right! Keep up the great work and Thanks again!

[@GunSam]

Thank you. And what's very funny is that all of my videos are generally about that long. I don't ever plan them this way, that's just how they turn out. I get maybe 30 minutes of film when I shoot, and when I edit them they're generally 10-12 minutes.

[@bdwillis8284]

The hardcast videos, my favorite. Thank you!

[@GunSam]

Glad you like them!

[@holaadios9958]

357 mag...what a beast!!!. The famous manstopper and at the same time a great penetrator. The best caliber by far. It reminds me the old metal piercing winchester .357 ammo. Awesome vid.

[@GunSam]

Thanks. I really like .357 Mag from a 4" barrel. Seems to be a great combination.

[@crockett11000]

What have the both of us been saying for a long time and as most always, test after test? The .357 wins again!!.. Lol!! Another Great video Brother!!..

[@GunSam]

Thank you. And .357 is really the easiest to shoot.

[@duster0066]

@@GunSam In North America there is nothing .357 can't do. From mouse farts for rabbits and birds through bear killers. It's my shtf cartridge.

[@Damonbird775]

I’m still going with my 10 simply because I can shoot it quicker/more accurately than the revolvers. Great video.

[@DaveTalks985]

We love you, Gun Sam. This is the best gun channel of all.

[@GunSam]

Thanks!

[@DJ-xj3mv]

LOVE this video! Thank you for making it. Several years ago I made the switch from .45 to .357 mag for bear protection (not solely for that....I just love .357 mag in general but living in Griz country- bear protection is always in the forefront of your mind if you spend time in the woods/on the river). Most of the guys I know have their 10mm Glocks for bear protection and at times I wondered if I should make the switch to it but the knowledge that smaller faster bullets tend to defeat armor ---I wondered if perhaps I didn't already have the best set up. This video makes me feel a lot better about what I carry (and it is the same Buffalo Bore round).

[@GunSam]

Thanks for watching. Yeah this video surprised me a little, but in the past what I have seen with other hard cast testing is that there are less differences between them than any other bullet styles.

[@albertforletta1498]

Thank you Sam. Great video. I appreciate the work you do to make a video.

[@GunSam]

Thanks

[@jimmyruger7529]

Albert , I do agree

[@63DW89A]

In most factory ammo, generally the 10mm and 357 Mag are about equal. However, if you hand-load both cartridges to max potential in handguns strong enough to handle it, the 357 Mag is tops, hands down. (Buffalo Bore ammo rivals my hottest hand-loads!). The 38 Special is always an impressive performer when hand loaded to potential in a strong handgun. When asked, I always suggest a 357 Mag revolver because the 357 is the most versatile handgun to own. Versatile because the 38 Special can be hand-loaded from pip squeak to flame thrower,and the 357 Mag loaded to full potential is in a class all by itself in terms of powerful striking force that is very controllable from L-frame or larger revolvers. I prefer to load 357 with 158 gr hard cast at about 1300 fps (4-inch revolver) tops for best accuracy. With the newer progressive powders (Hodgdon Lil Gun as one example), it is easy to get 158 gr hard cast to 1450+ fps from a 4 inch revolver at safe pressure levels(SAAMI is now suggesting 36,000 PSI as top limit for 357 MAG, BUT older loading manuals still show the traditional 43,000+PSI 357 MAG loadings!). For anti personnel self defense, my all time favorite handgun load remains the 38 Special 158 grain hollow point at 1000 fps from a 4 inch revolver; accurate, controllable, and the soft lead HP hits like a freight train at modest power and pressure level. The 38 Special 158 gr HP may not be the most powerful, but it is the overall best balanced all around anti personnel handgun load in existence. Buffalo Bore's Standard pressure 38 Special 158 gr LSWC-HP is a perfect loading, and the +P BB version is a bit of overkill IMO, although it is impressive!. Add a 357 Mag lever action rifle to the 357 revolver(s), and any family would be well armed and protected!

[@jbp6759]

We just added a 357 lever to our family recently. The wife shoots it well. :) I'll have to try the Lil Gun powder. I am just getting into loading and have been using W231 for 38 sp and H110 for 357.

[@williammcconnell9501]

Wow! Looks like I missed all the mud slinging against Sam. There will always be people out there whose only real ability is to trash other people. But I wanted to thank you for an excellent video. You could have done this a hundred different ways but you made this clear and concise. And while I love the 357 mag, it was a surprise it penetrated so well. As bullets and propellants improve the 357 keeps reinventing itself into something better. Especially in factory form. Good work, good work and good work!

[@GunSam]

Thanks!

[@Fudmottin]

What I find most useful about this test is it tells you what can happen if you miss in a home defense situation. Paul Harrell showed that 223 and several shotgun loads had no difficulty penetrating a modern home. You've done the same thing with handgun ammo. I'm thinking you might be able to do a series on home defense handgun ammo that doesn't blast through an entire apartment complex. Or not. Very much 👍

[@GunSam]

I been wanting for a long time to do more of a real home penetration test with sheet rock and all of that, but it becomes a pretty intensive setup to do all of that.

[@sipofsunscorchedsarsaparil6052]

That was really impressive. While the .357 Magnum obviously stole the show the .38 Special was actually more impressive to me. Great video!

[@GunSam]

Thanks.

[@Me2Lancer]

Thanks again Sam. The 357 Magnum still rules the day for penetration.

[@GunSam]

Thank you. It's really interesting how .357 Mag is more versatile than anything else. No cartridge family can go from about a 90 gr .38 Short Colt 100 ft lbs to 180 gr .357 Mag 800 ft lbs, in the same 4" gun and be shootable with them all. I mean, .44 Mag is nice, but when times are tough and you might have to cast some lead bullets, a .357 Mag will go a lot further.

[@Me2Lancer]

@@GunSam You said it, Sam, Versatility and that in spades.

[@TheKentuckyPatriot]

Lot's of cool rounds here!!

[@GunSam]

Thanks for watching!

[@jerrybushey6654]

Really cool video I was surprised the .357 beat the .44 mag keep up the good work

[@GunSam]

Thank you.

[@chiefinspectorclue-so7433]

This is the first time I watched this. It was very interesting and a great video.

[@MotoDude1967]

Great video with a surprise winner, thanks!

[@GunSam]

Thanks

[@marcallen7233]

👍 Nice presentation. It would be interesting to see if there would be a difference if you braced or weighted down the 2x4s so that they couldn’t move.

[@bretta90who99]

Great test idea, great execution. Wish more KZbinrs would post videos like this (and this good).

[@doranmaxwell1755]

I cast and coat my own bullets and love LOVE revolvers and the 1911 I have all those calibers except the 10mm they have performed well in everything

[@Scrappappy]

I harvested a whitetail deer a few years back with a Double Tap 45 ACP 250 hard cast ,complete pass through on both front shoulders. Needless to say DRT.

[@GunSam]

Nice.

[@rudrashakti108]

What gun did you use? (And I assume it was a handgun and not a PCC?) and at what distance?

[@brianpersons6301]

Great video ! Thanks for bringing it to us !! 👍

[@sonnygunz9207]

I love your model 41! It really has a mind of its own!!! It’s awesome that you keep all the bloopers it causes in the videos. Hahahah! Thanks for the videos.

[@squrtcap]

My go to camp guns, S&W 586 L-Comp and Henry Big Boy 357mag carbine. Will stop everything in lower 48. Two of the most great looking guns ever produced and much lighter than 44magnum or 45/70 guide guns.

[@GunSam]

I'm even convinced (even though I never been to Alaska) that a good .357 Mag could stop a grizzly bear.

[@brian-in-ak]

@@GunSam you are correct. There was a fishing guide up here, that did his homework, and dropped a charging Grizzly with six shots from a 9mm using B.B hard cast +P rounds. I have a 500 S&W Mag but carry a 7 shot GP 100 .357 with 180 gr. hard cast almost exclusively when I'm out in the woods. Every once in a while I carry my 10mm if I think I might need the double stack capacity, (if there is a people threat as well as bear).

[@GunSam]

@@brian-in-ak I read a story several years ago where some guy up there had some sort of 15 shot Taurus pistol, (unknown ammo), and he shot a charging grizzly and it was something like shot 15 stopped the bear just in time, just feet from him. Now that's cutting it close.

[@876mpr]

The .44 Special and .45 ACP hit the wood wit a lot more force than anything except the .44 magnum, despite having less muzzle energy. Wonder what that says for muzzle energy.

[@flukedogwalker3016]

Need naval brass lathe turned projectiles to get any good penetration.

[@chrisbonnett6783]

I like the 357 mag hard cast for taking down Tyronsours when I travel back to the Jurassic.

[@ratagris21]

.357 magnum still reigns supreme Sam. Great work and excellent shooting.

[@GunSam]

Thank you.

[@jamesfogus4470]

Was wondering if you could do one on a compact 45 colt using standard pressure loads

[@tyronekim3506]

Thanks. I learned something new today. I thought the .44 Mag would have a greater penetration that the. 357 Mag.

[@josephmeador1529]

4:20 My 10mm conversion barrel for the Glock 30 won't feed / eject underwood hard cast 10mm at all but has no problem with anything else so far.

[@Ballista762]

Great video man

[@alecswann7234]

Thanks so much for this video. Its very helpful. For hog hunting, I guess any of the .357, .44 magnum, or 10mm cartridges featured here would get the job done, but I was surprised by how well the .38 special did when loaded hot and how the .45 ACP compared to the other cartridges did not penetrate as much. I am sorry your Glock is giving you troubles, I have had no issues with my Glock 20. Thanks again! VERY informative.

[@GunSam]

Thanks for watching!

[@YolooHuu]

The 38 special is still the king! Extremely well developed cartridge.

[@wallaceahtone6149]

Thanks for these videos. I only have 2 handguns, but after seeing this, I feel like I have all I need! 38 snub/357 k-frame. I'm seriously contemplating on a 45 acp though.

[@GunSam]

a 3" K frame or so would be the do it all gun. But 2" and 4" are good too. A nice steel .357 Mag that's bigger than a J-frame is always pretty good.

[@wallaceahtone6149]

@@GunSam I tried to get an S&W model 65, because it's what alot of oklahoma State troopers use to use, but they are hard to find and the price tag is no joke. I settled on a taurus 65 and honestly, it's everything I could have asked for minus the looks. I find the 4" inch barrel is very easy to balance on the POA. You have any thoughts on a good 45 auto platform? The Ruger american compact looks interesting.

[@jbp6759]

I went "oh shit!" when the 357 went through. Great fun. Keep doing what you do!

[@TexasDog3]

I love your videos! Please keep them coming!

[@rorybybee5937]

Sam I have watched a lot of your videos and like how you do them. This one was interesting in that I did not know anyone loaded a 28 special t o that power level. That is low end 357 mag energy. I know that in some loads the 357 and 10mm are close and the larger diameter of the 10 may have impeded its penetration some. You are doing experiments that I like to see. The results were better than I thought they would be.

[@stephen8433]

I always like the wood penetration tests! 🙂

[@JeffreyCotle]

Hi gun sam.you are testing all my calibers except 10 mm. My only semi is my Colt 1911. 45 acp. It is what I carry. I love it. 😊 Awsome video. This is the first time watching for awhile. Been too busy. God bless.

[@georgeupham7524]

.357 over the 10mm any day because I don't need to shoot 9 or 10 times, 2 or 3 and done. You missed my other gun .41 mag.

[@VineV-Dutch]

.357 kept going because of higher velocity.

[@jameslarsen3184]

Great test! Keep em coming Sam.

[@GunSam]

Thanks.

[@paulaprichard2346]

I was hog hunting with my 44/40 iron frame Henry rifle using hard cast lead bullets. Several people told me it would not kill a hog. Unfortunately I killed two with one shot. Double lunged the first one and while lining up that shot another hog had run behind it. The bullet went thru the first and entered the heart of the second. Recovered bullet was very much intact.

[@GunSam]

Many bullets will work. Interestingly enough my ex father in law who was my ex's dad, her name was Paula, would talk a lot about killing deer. He's killed hundreds. He said "oh a 9mm will knock the snot out of a deer". So anything between deer and hogs 9mm and up will do well. But then online "experts" say no less than .44 Mag will work for anything.

[@dieseldavidson2671]

That was interesting I cast all those calibers and always wanted to do that test great job

[@GunSam]

Thanks!

[@richerich853]

Pretty cool presentation!

[@willknowdoggs4764]

A fitting end for the jug or not 1.0.

[@GunSam]

Yes! It was only a $20 investment originally, so to be used even to the end to make some content was great.

[@CommunismiEstCacas]

I belive the 44 mag spended a great amout of energy moving the stack of 2x4, if it was fixed the dirty harry bullet would have passed all of them.

[@diamondthomas7778]

That 38 was ripping 💯😯 but that 357 didn't suspect that 🤫

[@GunSam]

A regular run of the mill .357 probably could not beat this .38, but then Buffalo Bore said "hold my beer".

[@davidsomerset8411]

That 38 stings out of the Taurus 605 but I still 👍 like it

[@chrisbonnett6783]

@@GunSam Are you sure? The 357 is much higher pressure than even the 38+p. 500fps increase is no joke.

[@GunSam]

@@chrisbonnett6783 I'm saying that this .38+P round was 520 ft lbs energy. I cannot count the number of ".357 Magnum" rounds that were less than that power. The Hornady Critical Duty and American Gunner are two that comes to mind being less than 520 ft lbs in the 4" barrel. Corbon DPX was less than 500 ft lbs, Federal 180 gr was less than 500 ft lbs. There's a bunch more I just can't remember them at the moment. On average .357 Mag from Speer, Federal, Winchester, Remington and Hornady will produce about 550 ft lbs energy in a 4" barrel.

[@bradhovey4434]

All great calibers! Great video

[@carloparisi9945]

If memory serves, .357 mag. was born to deal with robbers cars in the thirties, it does its job I would say

[@dangerman007]

All were very impressive. Very surprised by the .357! The downside would be using that load as a defensive load, unless the bad guy was hiding behind a tank.

[@GunSam]

Yeah lol

[@chrisbonnett6783]

I have 357 HC 200g loaded for bear when I hike the north woods of WI. It will come out the other side, bone or no bone, it's a beast for a beast.

[@RM80AR]

Love 10mm

[@kamikazeoutdoors7997]

I’m impressed with 10mm especially considering its in a semi auto. 10 is probably my favorite all around pistol cartridge, especially considering you can pack it in the same size handgun as a 45 acp and way more capacity than a revolver

[@MM_405]

Absolutely agree!

[@josephmeador1529]

You can run .40 through it too no problem for defensive carry.

[@heyitsaluigi]

👍🏼🤙🏼vid! Now, a 3 way run off(10,357,44mag) for the ultimate title 🙃

[@whatyou7818]

What would happen if the boards were stable and didn't move on being shot. If the 44 mag would've been closer to the center where it didn't spin out and lost energy would have also went through? Just an observation.

[@GunSam]

I've done most of my other tests with them not moving. Overall, not a difference. Its like the bullet is deep as its gonna go before the wood starts to move.

[@yukon065]

Love your videos, thanks for all the time that you put in to inform and entertain us. Happy Thanksgiving!

[@GunSam]

Thanks, you too. I also plan a wood test where I test several .44 Mag rounds VS several 9mm rounds to see it .44 Mag really does over-penetrate. My guess will be it will with soft point ammo, but not the lighter HP ammo.

[@pecosjane]

After watching this video and watching your more recent offering on the Federal 38+P Hydra-Shok, I can only conclude one thing: I’m going to need to carry at least 2, maybe 3, different wheelguns loaded with different ammo for different situations. I’m going to need some new very bulky sweaters to cover it all up.

[@spaceranger3728]

Good test. Don't know how much back splatter the wood puts off but you might want to stand a little further away.

[@thadboman4340]

Was wondering sir if you have done much research on the 41 magnum?

[@scottythebody0811]

Great video. Thanks for the hard work and great content.

[@GunSam]

Thank you. This one was pretty easy in general. The water jugs ones are the real work.

[@derralfields]

I would like too see a 45 long colt vs. 44 special or 45 acp. sometimes I cannot decide which configuration (caliber/weapon/bullet) to use. I do love 41mag. It is a very controlable recoil/weapon for me. So many choices and so little money to spend

[@sleeper.simulant7327]

A hot loaded 45 LC (Buffalo Bore’s offerings) rivals a 44 mag in terms of velocity and energy.

[@kevanhubbard9673]

That .38 special is in effect a weak .357 magnum in a .38 case and will cause serious damage to many 38 special revolvers.

[@GunSam]

If the revolver is rated for +P it would be fine.

[@andywilson8698]

This hardcast video was great !

[@GunSam]

Thank you.

[@randallcrenshaw3871]

So it looks like the old school rounds are best for home protection and less chance of over penetrating, 45acp, 44 special and 38 special non plus p, for home protection from bears the 10mm 357 mag and 44 mag is your best bet. I guess all around best would be a 357 or 44 as you could chamber them for any situation. Myself I will stick with my trusty 9mm for edc and my 45 for home protection. But they all will do the job.

[@slowpokebr549]

I'm always interested to see your results. I have a ten inch barrel in both .357 and .44 for my Contender. I've hog hunted with Buffalo Bore's hard cast loads with both. I am not at all surprised at your results. I have never recovered one of the .357 slugs. They have all been pass through shots.

[@jayp.2313]

Great test

[@GunSam]

Thank you much

[@everydayj9330]

Cool! If I'm ever attacked by a mobile lumberyard it's the .357 mag to the rescue! 🤪. Seriously good test thanks for posting. 👍

[@GunSam]

Thanks. I like wood because it's neither really hard nor soft. Really it's a nice balance for a "mass" test. A medium dense hard/soft super dense material.

[@MM_405]

🤣🤣Gotta watch out for them mobile lumberyards they'll snick up on quick.

[@ruger51995]

Shocked about the 357! And that 10mm ammo must be hot as hell for it to rival a revolver round. Thats definitely the. Semi auto cartridge ill.be investing in

[@joebob4609]

Before I watch I’m guessing 357, or 44.mag Yeah my first thought was right small diameter with a fast projectile

[@Visiblyblue]

Thank you for this comparison video. What weight was that 357 Magnum?

[@jeffreylocke8808]

Try the Buffalo Bore Dangerous Game 44 magnum solid copper flat point 260 grain bullet loading. It will penetrate DEEP!!!

[@GunSam]

Maybe lol. I just bought my Buffalo Bore for the month, I did get .327 and 9mm hard cast and tested them in wood. Also got some 180 gr .44 Mag anti-personnel loads and 180 gr 10mm, both have XTP's.

[@carlosmorris4510]

Well gosh darned... .357 Mag is the extreme penetrator!

[@lutherpayne9957]

Just goes to show that even the .38 special will over penetrate if you choose the wrong bullet for the application. Good visual presentation.

[@GunSam]

Thanks. And this .38 round is a little bit odd. Definitely the "wrong" ammo for some applications, seeing as a 129 gr Hydrashok+P stops in board one.

[@tylertapp131]

Good video bud, was just curious if you do anything with 45 colt? I'm a huge fan of 38 special and 45 colt and carry both but would love to see some tests done with it. God bless from ole Carolina.

[@GunSam]

I don't have a lot of experience with .45 Colt other than shooting a few in a friend's .460 Mag revolver. I have been somewhat interested in .45 Colt, but in a purist type of way, such as I wouldn't mind a single action army revolver, but if I did that I would do .45 Colt for sure, not .357 Mag like some people like to do.

[@tylertapp131]

@@GunSam no doubt! I've always loved the 45 colt cartridge but it wasnt until recent years I got into it with my first SAA. Very mild recoil and pleasant to shoot, but I love the old guns and calibers and am amazed at how good they actually are by all the stuff we have today. If you ever get the chance mabey you can borrow one for the channel for testing, mabey some hard cast and cowboy loads. Honestly though if you play with the cartridge enough you'll end up falling in love with it, plus single actions are just damn cool.

[@jasonmoravec2527]

Wow that 357 mag kicked everybodys but and the 38 special was sure a surprise. I wonder what ole elmer keith would think of that 357 mag going further than 44 special? Pretty cool test

[@GunSam]

Well Elmer would have loved all of it seeing as he was pretty much the creator of that .38 round, and pretty much of a .44 round like that too. If I remember right, he wanted to have his invention which was basically this .38 round, made into a revolver to handle it, but S&W more or less made him lengthen the case into what is now known as .357 Magnum.

[@luguefamily1498]

Great vid. Is your G21 10mm conversion barrel a Double Diamond, what was causing the mags to drop out and what other mods did you do to co vert your G21 to shoot 10mm reliably.

[@guardianminifarm8005]

Good results. Interesting results though. Helpful data to consider.

[@damiencannane]

Sam, what are your thoughts on this .38 spl out of the 2" LCR .357? I live in a area with black bears, boars, and alligators. Right now I'm carrying the 158gr Remington HTP that you clocked at 450 fpe out of a 2". Wondering which round you think might be better for double duty as personal defense and bear deterrent.

[@davidsomerset8411]

That 38 stings ✋out of the Taurus 605 but I still 👍 like it. Which 357magnum did you shoot here?? 180grain?

[@GunSam]

Buffalo Bore 180 gr hard cast

[@davidsomerset8411]

@@GunSam ok thanks... thats one powerful round...glad I got some before all this virus crap started...great review by the way 👏

[@MC-uj4co]

Very good video

[@GunSam]

Thanks!

[@chrisgabbert658]

Just feeding the algorithm 👍

[@garylewis3641]

Very interesting video and I appreciate your efforts. What brand of 38 Spl were you using? That was really interesting I thought. The 357 is a tough round for penetration, its smaller diameter helps it!

[@GunSam]

Thanks. It was Underwood 158 gr .38 Special+P hard cast.

[@garylewis3641]

@@GunSam ok thanks!

[@cdlund2840]

Some people question why I carry a 5" GP100 357 magnum here in Wyoming for Grizzly bears loaded with 200 grain hardcast. I just tell them to look up sectional density sometime.

[@bigjj974]

Different type of video than your normal. I liked it Thank You

[@GunSam]

Thanks.

[@matthewanderson9912]

Awesome test. The 38 special made a good showing in that particular load. I think the 44 magnum is a little handicapped by the 4.25” barrel in this test. I know the 357 magnum was in the same barrel length but I would guess that 44 magnum load is made for 7”+ barrel handguns. That’s what most of the Hunter models are typically. Good job.

[@GunSam]

Thanks. I liked running this way as from bullet nose to muzzle in my 4.12" 686, 4.25" 60 and 5.3" Glock, all the ammo was within maybe 1/4" of each other in barrel travel. But yeah, some ammo is just made for longer barrels.

[@crockett11000]

That's true, I used to hunt with a Ruger 9.5" 44 mag. but the .357 also doesn't start performing at it's peak in till you get to an 8" barrel! One example.. .357 8" barrel, 125 grain bullet 1500 fps.. 16" barrel 2000 fps!.

[@mountainhobo]

.45 ACP for social work, .44 Mag for hunting. See the momentum transfer on both in the video.

[@GunSam]

To be fair, they were both the edge of the wood stack.