Gurdjieff's Ideas on The World & The Ray of Creation

[@markhughes7927]

I like that Gurdieff - I like the thing he do..

[@bookclub5291]

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[@donnaharper3901]

Some fantastic little gems 💎 on your channel Lewis 🙏📖❤️

[@bookclub5291]

Thank you kindly. Glad you are enjoying the commentaries 😊🙏

[@johnhogendoorn3786]

The brilliance of Gurdjeff The brilliance of Gurdjieff and the difference worlds. So clear and obvious wherm understand, why we life as we do, incl creation our individual and collective heaven and hell, nirvana and chaos, joy and suffering, inspiration and resistance, life and death, evolution anc devolution, future with a yes and a no….. Such a blessing we are able to open and lesrn, adopt and grow to focus on peace, harmony and evolution. Amen ~ John 🙏

[@pareshmacwan9468]

To understand the idea of world, I begin with myself and my position in my surrounding. I see myself in my family, my family within society, my society in my city, city in the state and so on. This helps me to understand my 'personality' and so many other things.

[@killeenmeister]

There is also the idea in that book of the curvature of cause and effect. How the relationship between between the two isnt linear. And, this is because of the multitude of cosmic laws which come into play because our remote position vis a vis the Absolute.

[@rayofcreation3996]

The idea of the Ray of Creation at first might look simple however with its help many questions can be answered and many seemingly conflicting ideas can be reconciled and a higher understanding can be reached. Its practically an inexhaustible source of information only if we know how to decipher it and doing that can be real good fun. Cheers!

[@bookclub5291]

It is a powerful diagram. I am becoming more and more interested during this study of In Search of the Miraculous on the channel about Gurdjieffs idea of the relativity of things. I think this is something that modern science misses. So much to learn and ponder.

[@j.colman6484]

Wonderful - thank you.

[@bookclub5291]

You are very welcome 🙏

[@n.mourad2848]

Thank you for sharing!

[@bookclub5291]

You’re welcome. More Gurdjieff and Ouspensky content coming up soon. 😀👍🏼

[@melissasmind2846]

Im studying chief feature.

[@melissasmind2846]

And how it applies to my behavior. Hehe

[@martinwilliams9866]

Gurdjieff's cosmology is based on nested spheres of the Kabbalah & set theory, so the Moon is a subset of the Earth system.

[@bookclub5291]

Hey Martin. Thanks for this information. I’ll be sure to look into it further when I come to the chapter on the Ray of Creation. Thanks 🙏

[@martinwilliams9866]

1.Pythagorean Octave & Music of the Spheres 2.Platonic Great Chain of Being & Lambda 3.Claudius Ptolemy 4.Neo-Platonic Emanationism a.Plotinus b.Iamblichus c.Ibn Arabi d.Nicholas of Cursa e.Robert Fludd 5.Days > Rays a.Judeo-Christian, 7 Days of Creation b.Theosophy, 7 Rays c.Isaac Newton, 7 Rays = 1 Ray d.Gurdjieff, 1 Law of 7, 1 Ray of Creation 6.Nested Systems a.Kabbalah, Nested Sephiroth b.Set Theory 7.Astronomy, Edwin Hubble

[@martinwilliams9866]

Some of my own Cosmological ideas I got developing Crowley's Thelemic cosmology which has Nuit infinite Space, & Hadit the infinitesimal point, I thought what would constitute the latter & came up with the Planck unit/atom, the Planck era combined with the Planck distance, this could also relate to a singularity in a black hole, presupposing that they actually exist & came up with two scenarios, the first was supposing Mach's principle is correct, then there must be relationships & interactions between any Planck unit & the inertia mass of the whole Universe, forming an infinite number of toroidal systems, also Holographic which is nice. The other scenario was when you rotate a sphere the part moving towards you appears to get bigger, whilst the part moving away from you appears to get smaller, in the Universe, the whole Universe appears to get bigger, which has been termed "Dark Energy", whilst theoretically in black hole space-time appears to be shrinking, I suggest the possibility that these two are two poles of a rotating Universe, a many mouthed one at that, which after Crowley I call the "Great Beast", if you read "The Universe is a Machine", the author describes an analysis of the CMBR, & it can be analysed to show a sigmoid curve type pattern like the yinyang symbol one part is warmer the other colder, or one part is moving towards us the other away, he suggests that the Universe has a dual rotation, which I think could be a single hyperdimensional rotation, like on a torus or Klien bottle, so my contention is that the Universe is a rotating many mouthed hyperdimensional Klein bottle, the rotation of which is a hyperdimensional centrifugal force known as Dark Energy. The other theory is about cosmogenesis & God, take a Cartesian axis, just keep the horizontal X axis, what's in the middle? It's zero, is there another zero? If you put say a dotted line at +1 & another at -1, what does that equal?, zero! Likewise put a line at + infinity & another at -infinity, what does that equal? zero again, so as well as there being an empty zero, there can also be a full zero (again I got the idea from Crowley's (+1) + (-1) = 0) also Universes can be formulated as wave-functions, so I envisage that if the Multiverse exist they can all be wave-functions an infinite number of them that add up to zero, I call this "The Zero-sum Infinite Wave-function" where something doesn't so much come from nothing, but is abstracted from everything, which is also nothing.

[@VEGLIAcritica]

I have just approached the Fourth way, fully read Ouspenskij's Fourth Way book. One thing I would have loved is if Gurdjieff had already thought of a more proper language to refer to individuals instead of using the quite chauvinistic "He" and "His" and so on, typical of his time. I would expect this from a farsighted mind.

[@SharkFishSF]

What do you mean by platonic earth creation myth?

[@bookclub5291]

In Plato’s Timeaus, he gives an account of his Creation Myth.

[@Gvarab]

The Absolute is ruled by One Law - the will to exist. It creates the world by fragmenting itself into lesser parts, guided by more laws, firat three, then six and so on. Our essence live in the world of 24 laws, our personality in the world of 48 laws and our false personality in the world of 96 laws. The absolute can never be reached through logic, since logical reasoning is born in the world of 3 - thesis, antithesis and synthesis. Father, Son and the Holy Ghost. Brahman, Vishnu , Shiva. Accept, Deny, Reconcile. Therefore both scientists and theokogicans are wrong. The only way to the in contact with the Absolute, to grasp it, is to become one with it.

[@bookclub5291]

Great insights! Thank you for sharing 🙏

[@dr.suezettealoysiaandcarla1664]

First 😎👈🏽

[@simierno5631]

What a hibberish. Is anybody listening to this? Gurjiff wrote something, another guy analyzed it and a third guy explains it. Now that is what I call eat that s%eet. Philodophy. I rather read the original.

[@NitroNilz]

@@simierno5631who’s the more foolish: the fool, the fool who writes a book about what the fool said, the fool who reads that book out loud on KZbin or the fool who complaints about these fools in the subsequent comment section on said KZbin? - Obi Wan Kenobi, paraphrased.