Tricky Terrain Upgrade - Improving the Precon Commander Deck with $300

[@Mdw031693]

I'd recommend a shifting woodland just for the replayability of the dark depths (or any card in your graveyard). Played a game with a friend of mine. I had already done the typical thespians stage trick to put Marit out. He made a copy of it and cyclonic rifts. After rift resolves, I turn the woodland into the depths and get another Marit. Look on his face was priceless.

[@JustJayson23]

I’ve been waiting for this upgrade video! Love this commander. Good work y’all!

[@GuysThatMagic]

Thanks for watching! We love this deck too!

[@F4xP4s]

So many ways to build this one, can’t make up my mind!

[@poilu146]

Do 2 versions !

[@itsanother8623]

Literally and the hardest part is figuring out what to take out lol

[@papagiantv]

Eladamri, Lord Of Leaves is another great addition All elves gain forestwalk which means all of your creatures with a everything counter , plus , elves cannot be targeted by spells or abilities This with Yavimaya, Cradle of Growth And herald of hoofbeats Means you will have multiple instances where you will be attacking players directly until they can take something out or clear the board

[@Snadon73]

March from Velis Vel : your argument was solid until I started looking at what kind of creatures I have in my deck. Can you imagine copying Apex Devastator OR, even worse, Rampaging Baloth THEN dropping a land? There's tons of potential with this card.

[@ryanmchenry1065]

I kept it for this reason

[@absolute_kq]

Sadly apex devastator won't trigger on copies that already exist on the battlefield bc cascade is an etb effect, but the argument is still valid for having a lot of big stompy creatures one can swing out with for a turn

[@mrTjstephens1]

So there are two paths to upgrade this deck there is the "everything" then there is the lands deck. An add that kept creeping up in my mind was Tatyova benthic druid. You could also add abundance The "if" with omo really feels christmas land type plays.

[@yesItsmeJ]

Im really enjoying all the directions people are heading with this deck, my personal adds were consecrated sphinx, horizon stone, double major, heroes' bane, umbra mantal, lithform engine, rings of brightearth, primal vigor, helm of the host, and a panharmonicon. Cant quite find space for a walk the eons yet. Cheers

[@tylerwright886]

So the argument against agressive biomancy is that all the tokens you make have to fight suff and then end up dying, but the card says "fights up to one target creature you dont control". So is that not a may effect? You dont have to fight.

[@ÉMUITOVIAGEM]

You can choose none

[@Datguy12-f6y]

It would be cheaper to put in Rite of Replication.

[@gearframe87]

I still think life from the loam is really slept on here

[@meatknight8]

What could be a good replacement for Nadu now that he is banned???

[@CarlosOleaSixtos]

I think Nadu would go crazy in this deck

[@BussyConnoisseur]

Same. Especially with trigger doublers. So many land drops and/or draws each turn

[@elijahgonzales2754]

14:44 So if all my creatures on the board have an everything counter. If I chose shapeshifter, Wouldn’t my creatures go also, because they’re EVERY creature type?

[@GuysThatMagic]

The card bounces everything that isn’t that type

[@thriftypsgr]

Sponsors!!!!! So happy for yall!

[@CliftonDavis-je7qu]

This is Clif with a shout-out AKA Clifton Davis Druids ' repository

[@Schpacky]

Would love to see a no budget list on this precon!

[@ctyhallcoolio]

Yes please

[@SaltyBrolaf]

For some one looking for a funny way to make infinite mana with magus of the candelabra there is a land called griffin canyon you just need magus to be a griffin and the land says „untap target griffin“ and you can make infinite mana with it

Can you elaborate, i mean, i need to pay 1 for untap with magus, and the griffin gives you only 1 mana, thanks

[@MechAleXtreme]

Say you have a land that produces 3 mana, you tap it for 3, tap magus for 1 to untap your land, then tap griffin canyon to untap magus, then tap your land again, now you have 5 mana floating, use 2 to untap your 2 lands, use griffin canyon to untap magus, tap your other land again, you have 6 mana floating, and you can do this infinitely

[@rabbla3569]

You Can also on shot Evry one who won't Bloc a shapshifter...

[@mckenziestone3302]

There's also wirewood lodge that taps to untap an elf

[@marcopeyerl4903]

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[@CliftonDavis-je7qu]

Druids ' repository one colorless mana and two Green mana costs 3 mana enchantment good stuff for this build a must include

[@calebburch9816]

I really like scion of draco in this deck!

[@CliftonDavis-je7qu]

Druids ' repository is 2.09 for cost and it's the mana fix you needed

[@jaarzy8875]

Every $300 blue deck: Rhystic Study and Cyclonic Rift. It would be cool to see some other cards that may be more synergistic rather than generic good stuff cards. Some bangers in there though - love absorb identity

[@nicolodifrancesco3089]

I mean, they're called staples for a reason, they're just too good to not be in any deck with that color

[@rabbla3569]

Wilderness reclamation Can fit this deck?

[@RvBnerd618]

Roaming Throne makes for a better addition than my predicted Ozolith. Regardless, nice to see this expensive version of the deck and I love much of the cards featured in this upgrade.

[@GuysThatMagic]

Ozolith is nice but multiple everything counters going back on one creature doesn’t do too much. Thanks for watching!

[@CliftonDavis-je7qu]

Do you remember the spike creature's from MTG spikes need a home in Commander

[@Zuzar-]

This deck is so sweet! I regret buying the collector variant tho! So much more expensive to upgrade 😅

[@GuysThatMagic]

😂 but at least it looks super shiny!

[@StoneyJeorgie]

Quick questions are the additions and removals shown from the 100 budget also in the 300 budget

[@GuysThatMagic]

Yes

[@wonderstud]

Wouldn't using Aggressive Biomancy targeting Omo reduce the risk of removal and since Omo adds everything counters, having more Omos adds more everything counters? I thought this was super explosive to getting your creatures covered. Thoughts?

[@absolute_kq]

legendary rule. but you'll still get the etb trigger if you needed to slather your battlefield with everything counters. hadn't thought of that yet but that's pretty cool even if omo copies don't persist

[@Heavens7thCloud]

I love this deck.

[@GuysThatMagic]

It’s so different, it’s awesome!

[@zaxx81]

Awesome deck, sick tokens!

[@GuysThatMagic]

Those tokens are legit!

[@CliftonDavis-je7qu]

Druids ' repository mana cost is only 3 mana and a green Enchantment Druids ' repository you can't go wrong

[@RandyB2011]

No Helm of the Host?? That's definitely going in mine lmao

[@danieltasker9164]

Is it worth upgrading? I've got so many decks on the go

[@enrro]

Since waste was basic land too Collective restrain with an everything token is not equals 6. Right?

[@Rolirolll]

No, everything counter gives nonbasic Land types, Not basic Land types. So cave, desert etc

[@cyanidemuffin1080]

It gives forest swamp plains mountain and island, wastes is not a land type. If you look up wastes it just says basic land on it.

[@bdogpimpsause]

@@Rolirolllit gives both

[@DeadDogDays]

Would Collective Restraint cost five or six? Wouldn't the everything counter also make them Waste?

[@GuysThatMagic]

It would be 5. Wastes is a basic land but it doesn’t have a type. Its considered typeless

[@rabbla3569]

Maze of ith work with omo?

[@GuysThatMagic]

Maze of Ith is just a good fog effect to prevent a bit of hate we might get

[@Solus3D]

Maze of Ith make a infinite combo with magus of the candelabra.

[@CliftonDavis-je7qu]

Simply add the enchantment Druids ' repository and just attack with each creature for each creature that attacked put a charge counter on Druids ' repository for each charge counter you remove from Druids ' repository add one mana of any color it's the perfect Green enchantment for this alternative lands Deck it's lands back up card in case lands destruction makes a come back 😮 and a really good card for this Deck

[@zcecron22]

important question: isnt omo a shapeshifter by default??

[@GuysThatMagic]

Yes

[@cotton009]

Doesn't everything counter give creatures artifact creature type and get shut down by ouphe?

[@GuysThatMagic]

Artifact is a card type and not a creature type.

[@bradywilliams369]

Would lightning Greaves be good in this deck?

[@Solus3D]

Is amazing with Nadu, Winged wisdom. I dont understand why they dont include it in the list.

[@CliftonDavis-je7qu]

No because their is a mono blue creature added to the he Deck that gives all the creatures Hexprof for example

[@CliftonDavis-je7qu]

Spike Weaver is 3.89 cost too include

[@SirGoodNight]

If your lokking for cheap alternatives to romming throne you can alawase use the collorles doctor assistant from doctor who set (dont remember the name) baiscliy the same in this deck but a lot cheaper

[@jonas3648]

but 2 mana more without the ward effect? It's a big downgrade

[@cjm8836]

I disagree with the removal of Arcane Denial over strix serenade. The ability to counter anything and have that card replaced in your hand is worth a single one of your opponents going +1 on whatever you countered.

[@GuysThatMagic]

Fair enough. Giving an opponent two more cards was just our reasoning for removal!

[@MareczqZglos]

@@GuysThatMagic Yes but you get 1 card too - and two others opponets get none... So generaly you are -1 vs. 1 of the, nad +1 vs. two of them ;) So for You its still good. On top of that ther is part of "psychology" here - counters a good spell for a lot of player make it salty - but i you give them 2 cards to replace the one You counter - it make it feels better ;P

[@CliftonDavis-je7qu]

Just try Druids ' repository in the Deck I'm not wrong!

[@alextelfer4215]

eyyy I can hear Hunter this time around 👍

[@jeanmich6190]

wouldnt waste count has a basic land aswell so 6? for the collective restraint

[@GuysThatMagic]

Wastes adds colorless mana but is considered a typeless basic land.

[@CliftonDavis-je7qu]

Waste is basic

[@CliftonDavis-je7qu]

Did you know they recently made Snow covered wastes

[@CliftonDavis-je7qu]

And they too count as basic

[@thriftypsgr]

I want to build this deck so bad!

[@poilu146]

Doppelgang + trenchpost and cloudpost can mill someone very fast aha

[@CliftonDavis-je7qu]

"Lol" Add spike Weaver to the Deck they all become Spike Weaver

[@CliftonDavis-je7qu]

Is Spike Weaver too broken

[@CliftonDavis-je7qu]

Is Spike Weaver Band😂

[@RejectedRefund]

Aren't there 6 basic land types?

[@GuysThatMagic]

There are only 5. Wastes adds colorless mana but is considered typeless.

[@RejectedRefund]

Cool thank you

[@CliftonDavis-je7qu]

Wastes and Snow covered wastes are basic

[@CliftonDavis-je7qu]

Add Genesis to the Deck

[@glenalexander4640]

Add doubling season

[@glenalexander4640]

And biogenic ooze

[@Nurfarious]

Hello there!

[@GuysThatMagic]

Hello there!

[@CliftonDavis-je7qu]

Just try Druids ' repository in the Deck and then Tell me I'm wrong I dare you.

[@bdogpimpsause]

You’re wrong

[@Rolirolll]

You made a mistake with collective restraint. The everything counter from Omo DOES NOT give all lands all basic land types. It gives every nonbasic land type. So collective restraint, even with an active omo+everything counter, will still be x=2

[@GuysThatMagic]

Omo makes all lands every land type. This includes basic land types. The land types are Cave, Desert, Forest, Gate, Island, Lair, Locus, Mine, Mountain, Plains, Power-Plant, Sphere, Swamp, Tower, and Urza's. Of that list, Forest, Island, Mountain, Plains, and Swamp are the basic land types.

[@woopertrainer]

First! Just love it

[@GuysThatMagic]

So much fun!